[Benji]

Its back... Sorry about the delay, I have a few projects that requierd attention

Roles in Round 4:

Town Aligned:

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Citizen: Most people playing the game are citizens. Their job is to accuse and vote on people they think are the Mafia or Arsonist players during the Daytime. Citizens win when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Informant: The informat is a town aligned player with a specific role. Each night the Informat can PM the Gamemaster and ask about any player in the game. The Gamemaster will reply with whether the player is suspicious or not. Suspicious players are those with Unique Roles that involve killing players. They are Mafia, Arsonist, Professional and Vigilante. The informat no longer knows who the Vigilante is, and must work independantly to assist the town however they can and still avoid being killed. The informat wins when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Vigilante: The Vigilante is a town aligned player that has the ability to kill 2 players per game. The Vigilante is town aligned and thus wins by killing all the Mafia players and Arsonist players. The Vigilante does not know the Informat anymore. The Vigilante is also no longer revealed upon killing a Citizen or Innocent role.

Doctor: The doctor is a vital role to the town and has the ability to protect any player of their choosing at Night from Mafia, Vigilante and Professional attacks. The doctor cannot block Arsonist attacks. The doctor cannot protect himself/herself. The doctor CAN protect Mafia and Arsonist players unknowingly. The doctor wins when all Mafia and Arsonist players are killed.

Mafia Aligned:

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Mafia: The Mafia players job is to kill off the Arsonist and all the Town Aligned players. During the daytime they take part in the discussion on who to kill along with all the other players, however during the nighttime they get their own kill, and they can kill off any member they wish. The Mafia know the members of their own family.

Neutral Aligned Roles:

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Lovers: Lovers are 2 players which have unique win conditions. Lovers can only win if they are the only 2 members left in the game. Once one lover is killed, the other is killed instantly as well. Lovers can also have other roles, such as Informat, Vigilante or even Mafia, or they could simply be Citizens (This is explained in the PM sent when said role is told to the player). Lovers may also communicate as much as they want with each other. Lovers also know the other players role, and can disclose to each other all information they know, for example if one member is part of a mafia family, he/she may tell the other player who the other members of the family are.

Joker: The Jokers role is to be killed by the Citizen vote. If the Joker is killed by the Citizen vote, he wins the game (the game continues and further winners are decided like the normal outcome). If the Joker is killed by anything other than a Citizen vote, he loses. If he is not killed, he loses. If the Joker is killed by a citizen vote, a random player that voted for him is also killed (random number generater used). Unlike other tiebreakers, Mafia and Citizens have equal chance of being killed in this manner. The joker does not need to die for the Mafia or the Citizens to win.

Professional: The Professional has 2 kills per game to be used during any nighttime phase. He is not Town Aligned or Mafia Aligned. The Professional wins the game by killing those he see's as not benefiting society which are the Informat, Vigilante and Joker roles. If the Professional kills any one of these 3 players with his 2 kills, he wins the game (the game continues for a Mafia or Town win also and the professional must continue to play the game as normal, if he dies due to inactivity his win is not counted). If the Professional dies after this, he still wins the game. He can also use remaining kills in any way he wishes, and can vote to assist town or Mafia in Day votes (however he decides). If the Professional uses both kills and does not kill one of his 3 targets, he is instantly killed and loses the game. If all of his targets are killed by other means (Day Lynches, Mafia hits etc), he becomes a Survivor (outlined below). The Professional is emotionless and as a result is not considered as one of the random deaths caused by the Lynching of a Joker.

Survivor: The Survivor is a Neutral aligned role which is very simple. Live until the end of the game. If the survivor is alive, he wins the game no matter who actually won. The Survivor will not be killed by the first nighttime attack that happens on him, but is killed by the second. This includes Arson, Mafia, Vigilante and Professional kills. The survivor is a low priority for Town, Mafia and Neutral players to kill or remove from the game as they are not a threat to each role winning the game and have no offensive capability, so it can sometimes be a good idea to announce your role publically. Then again it could also be a good role to pretend to be...

Arsonist: The Arsonist is a Neutral aligned role. The Arsonist at night can send the Gamemaster a message letting him know who he wants to douse in fuel. That player is now 'Doused' (This information is not revealed to anyone) and the Arsonist can each night choose a different player to douse. The arsonist can also choose (instead of dousing a target) to light all doused targets, killing them all in the one night phase. The Arsonist wins once all other players are killed. The Arsonist wins ALL tiebreaker situations (even over Mafia) and as a result, if a Day Phase results in the Arsonist and any other player being the only 2 players left, the Arsonist wins (Except if his opponant is a Survivor in which they both win).

How the game is played:

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1. Once 18 players have signed up, players have an additional 24 hours to register before the game will begin. I will private message (PM) players with special roles the details of their roles. I will post which roles are active in the game in the thread then I will then post in this thread that the game has begun. If you do not receive a Private Message, you are a Citizen

2. The game starts in the Daytime, with the Citizens voting on who they think the Mafia is, and the player with the most votes will get killed and removed from the game. Remember the Mafia can (and do) vote as citizens so keep an eye on who votes for who to try and figure out who is part of the Mafia.

3. After the Daytime (Which lasts for 48 hours or until everyone has voted), it will be the Nighttime. Each Mafia family will PM me their Kill for the round, and the Informant will PM me asking about a specific player. This phase lasts for 24 hours, if I do not receive a message from any Mafia family or the Informant, they will miss their opportunity for the turn.

4. After the Nighttime, the Mafia kills will be revealed and it will become Daytime again, with the Citizen Vote. The cycle repeats until one team has won.


How to win?

Citizens, Informants and Vigilantes win by killing all 3 Mafia players and the Arsonist. Dead citizens do not win.
Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the Arsonist. Dead Mafia do not win.
Neutral roles win with their unique winning conditions. See roles above for details.

Rules:

1. The game is restricted to 18 players on a first come, first serve basis. Once signups begin, post in the thread 'I wish to join the next game'

2. If you are killed, you are no longer a part of the game and cannot post in this thread. Posting in this thread will result in your post being deleted. If you continue to post you may be banned.

3. If you miss 2 Citizen votes in a row, you will be killed and will miss out on the next 2 games. Checking the forums every day or 2 isn't that big of a deal. If you will be unable to participate in the game midway through, message me and I will kill you off, however you will not receive a 2 game ban in this situation.

4. The only people who are allowed to talk about the game in PMs are the members of the Mafia families. The Informant is allowed to send the Vigilante PMs, but only containing the name of Mafia members and what family they are in, no other talk about the game should be happening in these PMs. The only place anyone else (dead or alive) should be talking about the game is in the game thread. Not in emails, IMs, PMs, at other message boards, but here in the game thread. You cannot link images or quotes from outside of this game thread that relates to the game.


Prizes:

The prize for winning a game of Mafia is a forum Achievement (and fun!)

Not all the roles will be used in the game, but the roles will be announced at the start of the game.

I will accept the first 18 signups in this thread. Once 18 has been reached, a further 24 hours will pass where I will accept additional signups up to a maximum of 28. The game will begin after those 24 hours have passed.

Changes to this round:

Professional Changed slightly

[Meatex]

yeah i'll try my luck again
bound to get a non mafia role this time being the third an all

[Nobunaga]

Yes memememe.

[crAzerk]

crAzerk signing up

Btw, is the Professional change that he can now only kill in the night?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

crAzerk signing up

Btw, is the Professional change that he can now only kill in the night?

Yes, gives the Doctor a chance to save him, makes the roll less powerful. Obviously if the Doctor is dead, gotta be a little more careful with what you say.

[BaKaiNu]

Signed up. :P

[LennX]

Sign me up! ^^

[Next_rim]

I'm in

10 symb

[HDPhoenix]

I'm in =) Its always a ton of fun

[AvPoker]

Sign me up

[SC2MKP]

can i play? sign me up

[Paroxysm]

Sign Me Up Love these Mafia games

[ToRDeathsFang]

i want in to win

[Paroxysm]

Sorry Deaths, I call dibs

[ToRDeathsFang]

Come at me bro

[ToRskrawL]

I'm up for it!

[Amornthep]

Sign me up. =)

[SONATA]

sign me up too! hopefully not citizen again haha

[mustapusta]

Signing up

[Zanderax]

Count me in and load me up

[Satu]

Sign me up.

[DtorR]

Sign me up!

[nard]

signing up

[EveRorschach]

Sign me up

[pikk0n]

I'll enter too.

[Benji]

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX
6. HDPhoenix
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.

[jackwong]

sign me up ~.~ -.- ^-^ because not over 10 words yet.

[Amornthep]

You probably missed my earlier post but i'll post it again. Sign me up =)

[Next_rim]

Benji, you missed my signup(

[Primex]

Sign me up too, I'm interested ;D

[Benji]

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX
6. HDPhoenix
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim
22. Primex
23.
24.
25.
26.
27.
28.

Due to the interest, I am extending the spots to 28. Game will begin around 7pm Wednesday (Sydney time)

[Benji]

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX
6. HDPhoenix
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim

Primex has been removed due me being unable to PM him, he needs to reach 7 posts and 5 days after the joindate. Sorry.

SC2MKP has been removed because it has the same IP as SONATA

Roles for this game are:

3 Tortellini Family
3 Rossellini Family
2 Vigilantes
2 Informats
1 Doctor
1 Arsonist
1 Professional
1 Joker
7 Citizens

If you didnt get a PM, you are a citizen.

This game will be harder on the Citizens, because I want to make you think a little more. With that I shall give you a tip:

If everyone is voting for the same person, you're obviously not voting for a Mafia, its when the votes are close that you might be onto something

And with that, it is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime Votes

[nirvAnA]

lol mkp smurfing even in mafia?

apologies to the visitor who doesn't have access to the PM system.

Basically all you need is to use PMs is to be a member for 5 days and have at least 5 posts. This was implemented to reduce harassment to our members from spammers/advertisers.

[Next_rim]

So it started?

Following the tradition, I'm voting pokerface day 1.

[DtorR]

In that case I vote Deathsfang on this day.

[mustapusta]

Randomly voting pikk0n

[ToRDeathsFang]

Vote Zergtastic for owning me last game

DIE NOOB

[ToRskrawL]

Vote DeathsFang for stuffing up last game.

[Next_rim]

2 Informats

Typo detected. Who's in for mats?

[LennX]

Vote for sonata

[crAzerk]

voting sonata

[Nobunaga]

vote SONATA for double ips.

[BaKaiNu]

Voting for SONATA.

[SC2MKP]

so weird tht sonata has same ip as me...oh well...
and i have said in the chat b4 tht i will not smurf in anything again... why me again?

[Satu]

I am but a sheep following his herd. I vote Sonata

[Amornthep]

I shall vote for Sonata

[Meatex]

vote sonata ^^ sorry man

[SONATA]

wow this is stupid. double ips???? u sure benji? oh well... i vote bakalnu then

[Benji]

Originally Posted by SONATA

wow this is stupid. double ips???? u sure benji? oh well... i vote bakalnu then

100% sure.

[nard]

Sonata/SC2MKP... u already slipped up the last round by posting votes on the wrong account... stop pretending.

Vote Sonata.

[pikk0n]

I shall vote for Sonata. Well, he did try to smurf but he was a citizen 3 times in a row so highly UNLIKEly he'll be a citizen this time round. Let's hope he's not the doctor or the joker.... -.-

[jackwong]

Vote for Sonata

[HDPhoenix]

NOT voting SONATA due to Benji's tip (seriously... you guys? If anything, the mafia is tipping their hand by all voting the same guy because they NEED to hide in groups where citizen never have to) I'll vote Jackwong randomly since he's just above me

[AvPoker]

Lets see how this goes
votes for SONATA

[Paroxysm]

following the herd:
vote SONATA

[Zanderax]

SONATA Because of his IP.

[Benji]

1. Meatex - Voted for Sonata
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Sonata
3. crAzerk - Voted for Sonata
4. BakaInu - Voted for Sonata
5. LennX - Voted for Sonata
6. HDPhoenix - Voted for jackwong
7. pokerface - Voted for Sonata
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Sonata
9. Deathsfang - Voted for Zergtastic
10. Skrawl - Voted for Deathsfang
11. SONATA - Voted for Bakainu
12. mustapusta - Voted for pikk0n
13. Zanderax - Voted for Sonata
14. DtorR - Voted for Deathsfang
15. nard - Voted for Sonata
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n - Voted for Sonata
18. jackwong - Voted for Sonata
19. Amornthep - Voted for Sonata
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Sonata
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface

1 Vote for pokerface
2 Votes for Deathsfang
1 Vote for pikk0n
1 Vote for Zergtastic
10 Votes for Sonata
1 Vote for Bakainu
1 jackwong

~3 hours Remaining Rorschach ^_^

[ToRDeathsFang]

I guarantee only like 1 or 2 of the people that voted for Sonata is mafia. They all spread their votes out for sure. But spreading it too much has made me suspicious.
At least 1 of either pokerface, sonata or bakainu is mafia IMO, and i'll just get myself killed by saying this.

[pikk0n]

Just to point out one thing about benji's post. There are two mafia families this time round so it is not as easy as it was last round to know whether someone is a mafia. It is highly likely that the mafia might be voting for some mafia dude in the other family. It's not going to be as clear cut this time round.

[Benji]

SONATA has been killed by the Citizens. He is a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for Sonata
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Sonata
3. crAzerk - Voted for Sonata
4. BakaInu - Voted for Sonata
5. LennX - Voted for Sonata
6. HDPhoenix - Voted for jackwong
7. pokerface - Voted for Sonata
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Sonata
9. Deathsfang - Voted for Zergtastic
10. Skrawl - Voted for Deathsfang
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - Voted for pikk0n
13. Zanderax - Voted for Sonata
14. DtorR - Voted for Deathsfang
15. nard - Voted for Sonata
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n - Voted for Sonata
18. jackwong - Voted for Sonata
19. Amornthep - Voted for Sonata
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Sonata
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface

Rorschach did not Vote, He will be killed if he misses the next Daytime vote.

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to PM their nighttime actions.

[EveRorschach]

Jesus I look like an ass. Worst timings, I just got back from Thailand after the 8.5 hr flight in this morning then crashed out all day. Sorry, won't happen again!

[Benji]

Apologies for the delayed update, super busy weekend and didn't have time to update

Deathsfang has been killed by BOTH Families. He is the Arsonist.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX
6. HDPhoenix
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim

It is now Daytime, players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[EveRorschach]

Haha, oh wow, that's pretty awesome Not much to really go on though, so voting for Amornthep because that's a weird name!

[LennX]

Vote for meatex since he is first on the list

[Next_rim]

ROFL deathsfang, what did you do to piss mafia off so much?

I'll keep voting pokerface until we get some leads.

So vote pokerface.

[Meatex]

vote lennx because he's jealous of my speed

[DtorR]

Vote crAzerk

[AvPoker]

Voting pokerface haters aka nextrim

[Zanderax]

Vote nextrim because he was the last name I read

[Amornthep]

Random voting Meatex.

[HDPhoenix]

In the same random fashion, since we don't have anything to go on, I'll vote the guy above me, Amornthep

[jackwong]

Vote for HDPhoenix because i feel like it =P
Poor deathsfang may God virgin Mary and Jesus bless your innocent soul.*sniffs sniffs*
Party in' Party in' Yeah!

[ToRskrawL]

I vote for jackwong for being so lame.

[nard]

vote LennX cos he's a scary player

[pikk0n]

vote nard because he's above me and it seems to be the trend today...

[nard]

i didnt vote for the guy above me. :<

[pikk0n]

you didn't but most players did and you happen to be above me. Sorry, nard.

[BaKaiNu]

Vote HDPhoenix, because random voting, and his mothership is sooooo shiny.

[Nobunaga]

Voting Amornthep.

[Benji]

1. Meatex - Voted for Lennx
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Amornthep
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
5. LennX - Voted for Meatex
6. HDPhoenix - Voted for Amornthep
7. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for jackwong
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for Lennx
16. Rorschach - Voted for Amornthep
17. pikk0n - Voted for nard
18. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
19. Amornthep - Voted for Meatex
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface


3 Votes for Amornthep
2 Votes for HDPhoenix
2 Votes for Lennx
2 Votes for Meatex
2 Votes for Next_rim
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Crazerk
1 Vote for nard
1 Vote for pokerface

[HDPhoenix]

Nice even spread! Exactly what we need to start drawing conclusions =) At least everyone isn't hopping on a single bandwagon. Historically, its ALWAYS been a citizen lynch when that happens, for obvious reasons

[Paroxysm]

vote for Lennx randomly, hoping for a tie

[mustapusta]

voting DtorR

[LennX]

So paroxysm so fast trying to save someone? That means you should be mafia with someone on 2 votes maybe meatex?. Such a "random" vote for me.

[nard]

or hes a joker.

[LennX]

And nard who votes for me too is also defending paroxysm. So my death will show who 2 mafia were out of 6. This should be good.

[pikk0n]

Guys, a draw with 3 or 4 people wouldn't work. Ideally, you want a draw with just 2 people. If we're lucky, we can get double mafias but with 3 or 4 people means that one is a citizen and if that's the case, the citizen dies instantly..... Just to point out a flaw with forcing a draw with too many people. Choose 2 rather than trying to make a nice little distribution thus ensuring the death of another citizen.

[Paroxysm]

Lol, you think i tried to get a draw because i'm mafia. I tried to force a draw so that there are two people who are revealed as either mafia, or perhaps not mafia. Its smarter than just leaving us with one death and no idea of whats going on. We have more to go on if two people are definitely not or definitely defined as mafia. you'll see.

[Satu]

I'll vote Skrawl because then I don't disturb the interesting decisions I'm seeing with draws etc... I want some solid information here, that I didn't participate in myself, as that could cause further bandwagonning, and it'd reveal much less.

Also, what does a draw actually do? Not a loaded question, just curious.

[Benji]

1. Meatex - Voted for Lennx
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Amornthep
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
5. LennX - Voted for Meatex
6. HDPhoenix - Voted for Amornthep
7. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Lennx
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for jackwong
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - Voted for DtorR
13. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for Lennx
16. Rorschach - Voted for Amornthep
17. pikk0n - Voted for nard
18. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
19. Amornthep - Voted for Meatex
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Scrawl
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface


3 Votes for Amornthep
3 Votes for Lennx
2 Votes for HDPhoenix
2 Votes for Meatex
2 Votes for Next_rim
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Crazerk
1 Vote for nard
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for DtorR
1 Vote for Scrawl

[LennX]

And if both are citizens, 2 citizens get killed. One by tie breaker, one by lynching. Go go mafia!

[Amornthep]

How unfortunate. Are you allowed to change votes?

[Next_rim]

Yes, you can switch votes, make sure you bold and capitalize it though, so Benji doesn't miss it.

[Amornthep]

Switching my vote to HDPhoenix

[LennX]

Switching my vote to HDPhoenix too

[crAzerk]

Oh woops I'm last to vote! Just came back from a camp.

Well a tie just creates uncertainty actually, unless you're extremely lucky and hit two Mafia or something like that.

Those who have played with me in the past few rounds will know that I've never favored ties, even more so when in this early stage it's unlikely you'll hit double Mafia. Thus I will not try to force one now, and instead put it on someone neutral

I vote for Nobunaga (The person above me, as seems to be the trend )


EDIT: Ok I just scrolled up to properly read the posts and I have to add on. (don't worry Benji, no vote change)

Originally Posted by Lennx

And if both are citizens, 2 citizens get killed. One by tie breaker, one by lynching. Go go mafia!

What on earth are you talking about? If two citizens are in a tiebreaker, only one of them dies. Not both.

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

I tried to force a draw so that there are two people who are revealed as either mafia, or perhaps not mafia.

This just bungles my mind. Does it really help at all to have someone revealed as 'perhaps not mafia'??

A tie just causes uncertainty. Let me illustrate.
Let's say A and B are tied. A dies and is revealed to be a citizen.
Two possible cases. B is a Mafia, thus he survived the tiebreaker and so A died.
Or, B just survived the tiebreaker but is a citizen as well.
(I can't remember the other tiebreaker situations with other roles)
Now B is 'perhaps a Mafia' AS WELL AS 'perhaps not a Mafia'. You are nowhere further than from where you started.

If anything, a tie probably causes another innocent lynch if you hit two non-Mafia (Since suspicion will be on the guy who survives. This could be a good reason for Mafia to favor ties, since it draws attention away from themselves.)

We have more to go on if two people are definitely not or definitely defined as mafia

A ties does not do this. As I've said before, a tie only accomplishes something if you hit double Mafia.


The Mafia will probably target me now for talking to much, so I hope Doctor can save me this night =X

[LennX]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

What on earth are you talking about? If two citizens are in a tiebreaker, only one of them dies. Not both.

Wow..... One die by tie breaker and one die by the citizen lynch the next day. There is no way the citizen who survive the tiebreaker will survive the lynch the following day. Maybe I need to explain it word by word next time to make it clearly for everyone to understand.


Anyway remember what I said about nard and paroxysm. Their voting are a bit suspicious.

[Benji]

HDPhoenix has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for Lennx
2. Nobunaga - Voted for HDPhoenix
3. crAzerk - Voted for Nobunaga
4. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
5. LennX - Voted for HDPhoenix
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Lennx
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for jackwong
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - Voted for DtorR
13. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for Lennx
16. Rorschach - Voted for Amornthep
17. pikk0n - Voted for nard
18. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
19. Amornthep - Voted for Meatex
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Scrawl
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their nighttime actions.

[Paroxysm]

What's more suspicious is the voting of you and amornthep at the end of the round to HDPhoenix, killing him and saving yourself. Something interesting there I think..

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

What's more suspicious is the voting of you and amornthep at the end of the round to HDPhoenix, killing him and saving yourself. Something interesting there I think..

It was either phoenix or me. Both of us are non-mafia. I rather take a 100% chance to save myself then leaving it to the tiebreakers 50/50 and 100% dieing on the next day.

I find you and nard defending your votes on me more suspicious. Maybe it's time to draw out my gun/paper tonight. Hopes Benji reads my PM fast.

[Paroxysm]

are you the informant then ? sounds like it...

[Next_rim]

Crazerk,

Remember the table I made last game before getting sniped by mindless mob? Your points are valid only as long as any separate day is treated as independent experiment. Since we have a diminishing number of people after each vote series, one lynch affects the odds in the next lynch directly, so two scenarios are interconnected.

Right now it doesn't matter. However, last game we had a whole bunch of ties, all in a row, and one mafia player survived them all until tied with me. As I was mafia too, he got coin-lynched, revealing me as mafia as well.

SO, if we force several ties in a row with same person, the odds of him being mafia do in fact grow for two simple reasons:

Odds of being tied twice in a row GIVEN that one of the tiee (can I say that? ) is mafia increase with each round
As more citizens die, odds of random lynching a mafia, in a tie or not, increase, as the population diminishes.

So it is in fact benefitial to force ties, as long as it is several ties in a row with same surviving person, and the more in the game we are, and the more mafia is left, the better it is.

[Paroxysm]

^ This is my pretty much my reasoning behind trying to force ties throughout the game, but I couldn't explain it that well because unlike Next_rim, I am not mathematically gifted . Well said.

[ToRDeathsFang]

I only saw updates from me dieing now because i was deathly sick since Saturday o.0
COME ON why am i always dieing early -.-" F*ck you mafia families

[crAzerk]

@next_rim
You are right, the mathematical probability of a person being Mafia increases the more ties he survive in a single Mafia game.
Then again, let's say the very person you targeted to be held in ties for multiple rounds is NOT a Mafia, you are giving Mafia a free ride for a long time.

Regardless, I agree with this - Forcing a tie is pointless unless you aim to do it for multiple rounds.

[nard]

well... if ppl voting for u makes it seem suspicious... i find ppl switching votes to protect you even more suspicious.

[Benji]

Lennx has been killed by the Professional. He is a Citizen.

Next_rim has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is a Vigilante.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

Players have 48 hours to submit their votes for the Daytime vote.

[pikk0n]

Benji, I thought HD died or did he come back to life? Pretty sure 3 citizens are already dead.... -.-

EDIT (not voting): So Lennx's death means that amornthep isn't working with him and they were just trying to protect themselves. We have 1 prof and 1 vigi left making that 3 kills (prof has 1 kill and vigi has 2 kills left) that will actually hit a mafia. Still pretty even seeing that mafia members will most probably start killing each other soon.4 citizens left... We should be able to lynch ONE mafia today.... If we don't ONE mafia has to die tonight. Our luck can't possibly get any worse. On the bright side, the doc saved the correct person last night and the mafia families haven't been able to register more than 1 kill. Pretty even but if we kill one citizen today and the mafia families don't hit each other tonight, we're kinda screwed. Today's vote will be important and we do not want to lynch the prof or the vigi.

[Benji]

My bad, my template at work wasn't updated >< (One at home was tho)

Also FYI, the Professional is not citizen aligned and is actually trying to kill your Informats and Vigilantes.

[Next_rim]

21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)

By mafia, not citizens, correct it plz Benji ) Or it looks that I sucked and caused mob rage.

[Benji]

Sorry Next_rim, obviously rushed the post a little ><

And Deathsfang, you're dead, if you post game related stuff again you'll recieve a ban from the game.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by Benji

Sorry Next_rim, obviously rushed the post a little ><

And Deathsfang, you're dead, if you post game related stuff again you'll recieve a ban from the game.

I don't like being dead, why does everyone have to keep targetting me

[LennX]

I threw a huge smoke bomb to lure mafia and vigilante to kill me in the night and the bloody doctor thinks that I'm a mafia. Maybe next time I need to ask here for doctor to save me. Well I will laugh if the doctor has been saving a mafia all this time.

XOXO everyone


Edit: benji don't ban me. This is my last will and testament :P

[pikk0n]

Read yesterday's lynch and seeing that the other mafia family's kill was blocked, there's a high chance that the person saved by the doc is crazerk since Lennx died in his last ditch attempt to save himself from a lynch today. If the doc didn't save him, the only logical person to save would be crazerk. So, we can safely assume that crazerk wouldn't die at night. If that's the case, it's best if we let crazerk lead the daytime lynch rather than make ourselves the targets at night. Of course, this is assuming that crazerk isn't a member of the um... Tortellini Family.... LOL! I suppose we'd eventually know towards the end of this mafia round depending on who he lynches during the day. If he kills a Tortellini member, we can safely trust his judgement. This is assuming the doc saved crazerk and he's not a member of the other family based on this assumption.

[Zanderax]

As with the current trend, the last person to post gets my vote. Pikk0n

[crAzerk]

Can someone remind me about the rules of tiebreaker? I know Mafia > Citizen, but how about Citizen vs all the other non-Citizen roles? I've looked through the OP but found nothing.

Wow, if doctor really saved my life then thank you very much whoever you are. I hope you stay alive long enough to keep protecting me.. because I don't think Mafia is going to stop targeting me.

Anyway, this particular post seemed odd to me:

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

are you the informant then ? sounds like it...

Why would a Citizen want to draw attention to someone who may be the Informant? The Informant is beneficial to the Citizens and so should be kept alive and out of the spotlight as much as possible.

By this reasoning, I think Paroxysm is one of the 'suspicious' non-Citizen roles.

I vote for Paroxysm.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Can someone remind me about the rules of tiebreaker? I know Mafia > Citizen, but how about Citizen vs all the other non-Citizen roles? I've looked through the OP but found nothing.

Arsonist > Mafia > Everything else

Except for the Joker death in which case

Professional > Everything else

[crAzerk]

Except for the Joker death in which case

What does this mean? After the Joker dies the Professional wins all tiebreakers?

[LennX]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

What does this mean? After the Joker dies the Professional wins all tiebreakers?

If the professional is one of them who voted for the Joker death during the day lynching, he wont be considered for the random death that happens.

Tim, Dick and Harry voted for the joker to die. Tom is the professional. So only Dick and Harry will be considered for the random deaths due to killing of the joker. Regardless of what other role they may have.

[DtorR]

Voting Paroxysm

[nard]

Did one family miss a kill?

[crAzerk]

Either that, or the Doctor saved their target. We'll never know (Until the Doctor tells us)

Anyway, I find it odd that Dtor is so quick to jump on the bandwagon. If you want to force a tie, you've got your two people now - Dtor and Paroxysm.

[DtorR]

Excuse me? I believe I follow my own instincts.

[mustapusta]

as far as i'm concerned, the informats with information on non-towns need to say them now. we got at least a doctor saving you if you do i'm sure. now it's just harder to vote since it might lose the game for us.

[Meatex]

hmmm well im not really swayed by any arguments so far so I will vote crAzerk
As he was mafia last time and just feel like his gameplan is the same

[Paroxysm]

He did it quite well last time, rather suspicious

That being said, it has little to no impact on this game at all :/

[EveRorschach]

Yeah, Crazerk as pretty quick to throw poor dtor under the bus for agreeing with him, haha. Vote CrAzerk. Also, how long do the others have left to vote?

[ToRskrawL]

I'll spread these votes up.

I vote MustaPusta

[Nobunaga]

Gonna vote Paroxysm

[crAzerk]

Think about it, from dTor's perspective (assuming he is Mafia)

A random person (me) arrows a non-Mafia player as a potential Mafia and throws up a shabby argument and votes for him (Paroxysm. Good for you? Yes. You follow suit.

That little argument for Paroxysm was intended to lure out such a vote to follow suit. And Dtor has (or may have) taken the bait. Is he Mafia? Time will tell.

Anyway Benji, changing my vote to Dtorr


And if you really want to vote for me for some retarded reason at least force a tie, and when I die to your random lynching you will see that I am right.

[nard]

I honestly dont know which way to vote. I shall vote for someone seemingly safe from the lynch.

Vote bakainu

[Paroxysm]

That kind of makes sense crAzerk, quick vote to see who follows suit, jumping on the bandwagon and seemingly getting an easy (possibly Mafia) kill.

vote Dtorr

[Benji]

Paroxysm is killed by the Citizens. He is a Vigilante.

1. Meatex - Voted for Crazerk
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Paroxysm
3. crAzerk - Voted for DtorR
4. BakaInu
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for mustapusta
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax - Voted for Pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Paroxysm
15. nard - Voted for Bakainu
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

2 Crazerk
2 Paroxysm
2 DtorR
1 mustapusta
1 pikk0n
1 Bakainu

Bunch of missed votes today, get active or get killed please!

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their Nighttime votes.

[Paroxysm]

GG WP to the mafia.

[Next_rim]

Yeah, mafia killed all active people and is now gonna free win. WHAAAT?

[crAzerk]

no now it's Mafia wars! Gang 1 vs Gang 2

[mustapusta]

oh what? i thought i voted, somehow it didn't get posted at all. weird.

[Benji]

mustapusta has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was the Doctor.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

It is now Daytime, players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[pikk0n]

D: The doc is dead.... And he saved another person last night. This has to be one of the best docs we've had. First of all, I doubt that the doc saved crazerk or dtorr seeing that they caused the death of a vigi. So, flip of a coin here and I will choose crazerk seeing that he initiated the votes which caused the death of Parox. I'm guessing a draw this round would be beneficial? Just in case one is a joker.

[crAzerk]

In all likelihood, it's possible that the Mafia simply missed their votes - I wouldn't be surprised judging by the Daytime inactivity.

Anyway, pikk0n, you have tipped your hand. It seems clear that you are one of the Mafia.

First he tries to stay out of the spotlight by arrowing ME to lead the daytime lynch:

If that's the case, it's best if we let crazerk lead the daytime lynch rather than make ourselves the targets at night

Clever thing to say, trying to sound as 'Citizen-like' as possible.

And now suddenly, even though it was his own suggestion, he has turned on me in saying that I was the one that initiated the votes on Paroxysm and so I should be Mafia.

This is probably the worst argument I've seen him offer up in these 2 rounds of Mafia.

Let's assume that I am NOT Mafia - would I know who to target? Clearly not, unless I was the Informant and I KNEW who to target. Thus a mistaken lynch is perfectly understandable. Yet pikk0n is overreacting and trying to throw another person who's not part of his Mafia family under the bus by quickly voting for me.

Why me though? I have no idea. Perhaps because I am only one of the few remaining active players here and he wants to get rid of me. Regardless:

I vote for pikk0n.

[Benji]

Just a FYI, I make it clear if a family misses a vote

[pikk0n]

^ Hehe... What Benji said. In the last round, when the mafia misses a kill, the mafia family is declared inactive by Benji. So crazerk, I gave you the option of voting because you were saved by the doc and I did mention that there is a possibility that you're a mafia mistakenly saved by the doc. It's definitely possible early in the game.

You voting for me is expected but the 3 way draw between you, dtorr and parox throws beyond doubt that you're NOT a citizen. For once, we got really lucky and voted for 3 active members. A draw between you and dtorr would mean a 50-50 chance of a mafia dying or rather, a better chance. To protect yourself from dying, you'd naturally vote for me.

I didn't throw you under the bus or anything. You were the safe player since the doc saved you (it was either you or Lennx and if Lennx didn't get saved, you who called out to the doc would have been the obvious choice for the doc to save) and you were the logical choice to lead a lynch until the unlikeliest of 3 way draws happened yesterday which placed you on our wanted list. One thing. It's unlikely that you're in the Rosellini family since their kill was blocked 2 nights ago. You're most likely in the Tortellini Family or the joker or the prof. As for DtorR, is he a member of the Rosellini family or a joker or a prof? I don't know. But a draw between both of you will shed some light. It wasn't so much that you killed parox based on your lynch but the 3 way draw killed parox. You targeting DtorR right after you randomly voted for Parox and called for a draw is rather controversial with some inconsistency after you mentioned that you're against draws. Yesterday's draw helped though unfortunately, a vigi was killed. Today's draw would shed light on you and DtorR's role. As I said, you might be a joker. Of course, the death of one mafia would mean nothing because they still get 2 kills. Still a long way to go.... The mafia hasn't made any friendly fires yet. D:

EDIT: I know this is going to look really bad... This is crazerk v pikk0n round 2.... I trusted crazerk to lead a lynch yesterday since he's the next most vocal person apart from me and he was saved by the doc. Naturally, you'd assume that the doc would save him last night even if he killed a citizen. Hence the reason I suggested that he lead the lynch yesterday. Besides, he was a mafia last round... What's the chance of him remaining a mafia this round? -.- (SONATA 4 time citizen... LOL!) Don't take this personally, crazerk but I flipped a coin between you and dtorr. It chose you. This daytime lynch should be a draw unless the mafia members decide to completely mind**** us.

[Nobunaga]

To me, it feels like the mafia is just playing it safe. A 3 way tie last round, but so little votes with a few being made irrelevant. Has anyone thought of the possibility none of the 3 were mafia, and that the mafia let it play out?

Something just feels off about this situation, and considering pikk0n wrote a pretty lengthy post on why Crazerk should vote, then didn't vote at all makes me vote for pikk0n this time.

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by Nobunaga

To me, it feels like the mafia is just playing it safe. A 3 way tie last round, but so little votes with a few being made irrelevant. Has anyone thought of the possibility none of the 3 were mafia, and that the mafia let it play out?

Something just feels off about this situation, and considering pikk0n wrote a pretty lengthy post on why Crazerk should vote, then didn't vote at all makes me vote for pikk0n this time.

I already voted for crazerk. Check 2 posts ahead. Hence the reason why crazerk voted for me.

[Nobunaga]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

I already voted for crazerk. Check 2 posts ahead. Hence the reason why crazerk voted for me.

Last round you didn't, meaning the previous day round. You asked Crazerk to post first, then didn't post a vote afterwards.

1. Meatex - Voted for Crazerk
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Paroxysm
3. crAzerk - Voted for DtorR
4. BakaInu
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for mustapusta
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta
13. Zanderax - Voted for Pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Paroxysm
15. nard - Voted for Bakainu
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

[nard]

this is quite a conundrum. there are holes in your argument though pikkon... it could be simply that none of the 3 that are tied are mafia. a 3way tie is the worst sort of tie if all 3 arent mafia.

[pikk0n]

Nard, if none are mafia/joker/prof, the vigi would not die. Rather simple. I'm very sure a vigi would carry more weight over the citizens.

One more thing. I've won last round of mafia so winning isn't a priority here. I enjoy making votes that count and if you decide to waste your vote on me, it's fine. I'm not too fussed. Remember that you've killed your beloved citizens in every single one of your lynches + a vigi for safekeeping. This is with me entrusting the lynching to you guys. Whether you choose to believe me or not is entirely up to you. You're the one who'll end up not winning the mafia round. I'm just giving you that extra 1% chance of winning. As for my role, I'll be playing the same old card. I'm a mafia player and I'm NOT a vigi or a doctor. What I am will be revealed when I die. If you're going to waste the draw from yesterday and let a mafia go free, I salute thee. If I don't die from the daytime lynch, I'll die from tonight's kill from the mafia. Basically, this is my last play for this round. You can waste your lynch on me or you can let the mafia kill me tonight with the doc dead. It's entirely up to you.

[DtorR]

Voting CrAzerk.

[crAzerk]

This is with me entrusting the lynching to you guys.

Lol, don say it like sitting back and staying under the radar wasn't part of your strategy. It's the best strategy, regardless if you're Mafia or Citizen, up to a certain point.

I can't find where you wrote it but somewhere you made the assumption that in a 3 way tie, in the case of non-Mafia, the citizens will be of the lowest priority. Isn't this NOT the case?
can Benji clarify this?
e.g. Vigilante, Citizen, Informant in a tie, Citizen will lose for sure. True/False?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Lol, don say it like sitting back and staying under the radar wasn't part of your strategy. It's the best strategy, regardless if you're Mafia or Citizen, up to a certain point.

I can't find where you wrote it but somewhere you made the assumption that in a 3 way tie, in the case of non-Mafia, the citizens will be of the lowest priority. Isn't this NOT the case?
can Benji clarify this?
e.g. Vigilante, Citizen, Informant in a tie, Citizen will lose for sure. True/False?

False, its a coinflip. Only Mafia and Arsonist have priority in ties, EVERYONE ELSE hes to deal with the coin.

[pikk0n]

Flip of the coin for everyone else.... Fair enough.

As for sitting back, it's the best strategy for everyone if you're not the one being saved by the doc or if you don't plan to ask the doc to save you. Hence the reason I sat back and waited for more information. You were free to lynch away and got the 3 way-tie. Clearly you were the person being saved by the doctor. We'd never know who the doc saved last night after his death.

[Zanderax]

After a long consideration (2 seconds) and reading the most recent posts (Just the bold). I vote Pikk0n

[EveRorschach]

Keeping things even between CrAzerk and pikk0n so vote CrAzerk for 3-3.

[AvPoker]

Tippin the vote equilibrium
votin pikk0n
sry buddy

[crAzerk]

Votes on crAzerk - dtorr, pikk0n, rorscharch

votes on pikkon - crazerk, nobunga, zanderax, pokerface


Keeping track, so if I get past this round (or even if I don't), we'll know who's suspicious.

[crAzerk]

Wow that's even more interesting, I didn't notice that.

Come on guys, that should be compelling enough reason to vote pikk0n. It seems even more definite that he is Mafia now.

[Zanderax]

The mafia are the people who got the mafia messages... Unless they aren't! Or maybe they are! I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE!

[BaKaiNu]

Tipping the balance back. Voting for Crazerk.

A draw is the best lead for us. We possibly would not know if either Pikkon or Crazerk is mafia, so a draw leading to a death would give us a higher chance to vote out the mafia rather than singularly picking out someone to die.

[Nobunaga]

The problem is that we don't have the numbers to let more citizens die. Losing another citizen just means we're going too be lacking votes next round.

[AvPoker]

i dont like crazerk.
switching my vote from pikkon to crazerk unless he amuses me otherwise

[Zanderax]

I think we should vote out everyone alphabetically, stating with A and working down.

Quick Comments

	ToRDeathsFang:	i lol'd. +1 for this
	pikk0n:	i lol'd at deathsfang loling at one of his murderers.

[EveRorschach]

Is that 5-4 for CrAzerk? We need a vote for pikk0n, whoever is left! Bakalnu is right in saying a draw is the best thing to go on at the moment.

[AvPoker]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

Is that 5-4 for CrAzerk? We need a vote for pikk0n, whoever is left! Bakalnu is right in saying a draw is the best thing to go on at the moment.

Ok man
switching vote from crazerk to Rorschach

Quick Comments

	Zanderax:	OWNED!
	DtorR:	Lmao nice

[EveRorschach]

For one with an apparent pokerface, you're quite volatile hahah

[pikk0n]

Nobunaga, I didn't vote for crazerk last round because like all those non-voters, I was waiting for more votes. The points from crazerk weren't conclusive. Also, I think I know who you are.

Benji, not changing my votes here

I was waiting for 2 people to show their hands. Sorry Zanderax, pokerface and Crazerk (members of the Tortellini Family). Crazerk said last round that it's mafia wars now and it is. Pokerface, even though you tried to switch to crazerk to force the tie, it was because you were certain that crazerk would have won in a tie breaker against me. You assumed that I was a citizen. Therefore, in the event of a tiebreaker, crazerk could have claimed to have been lucky with the flip of the coin. Sorry to spoil things for you but nope. I'm a member of the Rosellini family and I was a bit uncertain as to whether Crazerk was a joker or a mafia. I mean what were the chances that Crazerk and Zanderax being in the same mafia family two rounds in a row???!!! Sonata's 4 citizen roles should have cautioned me from making such a judgement.

Here's what gave you guys away:

1. Death of DeathsFang in the first night.

It kinda got me wondering, who would want to troll Deaths. I know he has a lot of enemies so I wasn't able to narrow my list down by much. LOL! Zanderax, you are one of the people on my list because I've seen conversations between you and Deaths and well, despite being clan members, you sure love trolling him. This wasn't conclusive enough though. My next piece of evidence made my opinion of you stronger.

2. Zanderax voted for Next_rim during the daytime lynch

Now this completely gave you away. Next_rim voted for pokerface and obviously pokerface retaliated. 15 minutes later (thank you so much for doing this, Zanderax), you voted for Next_rim with the horrible claim that you were basing your votes on the last person who voted since that was the trend and Next_rim's name was the last one you read. Huh??? Seriously? There were like 3-4 people after Next_rim before pokerface!!! THEN there's of course pokerface. You missed them? YET on day 3, your eyesight improved and you voted for me who posted right above ya with the same claim of following the trend. Like I said in the last round. Inconsistency! That's what gave crazerk, you and Meatex away!

3. Death of Next_Rim on Night 2

I didn't read too much into that initially until I saw your votes. That's when I decided to go back and see who would want Next_Rim dead. Deaths are usually random but there are odd occasions when they are planned to look random. This is the one occasion. No one apart from the 2 of you voted for Next_rim during the daytime lynch and seriously, the mafia wouldn't be thinking about framing you guys so early seeing that both of you barely made a squeak. This evidence is [B]tied to point 2.[B].

4. Your (Zanderax and Pokerface) voting patterns this round

I saved both of you till last. I was waiting for you to start voting before coming to any conclusion. I made brief mention to this in my first paragraph. I wasn't sure if Crazerk was the joker because he was a little too quiet this time round. I guess he did learn something from last round. If you 2 had voted for crazerk first, it'll mean that DtorR was the mafia and crazerk was the joker. I was hoping that you'd vote for me and you did. Also, notice the amount of activity from Zanderax and Pokerface today compared to yesterday? They'd want Crazerk to be in a tie with me because they believe that Crazerk would still survive and be able to stick to the claim that he's luckier in the coin toss.

5. Zanderax and pokerface such good buddies. Aww...

I don't remember the 2 of you being so close last round when pokerface was the joker and Zanderax was a mafia. What made you such good friends that Zanderax, you'd even give pokerface a +1 reputation? How sweet this time round. *cough* Inconsistency *cough*

Conclusion: Zanderax, pokerface and crazerk are members of the Tortellini family since I'm a member of the Rosellini family and I want them dead otherwise we would have a hard time winning. Even if it means tipping the scale in the town's favour.


Here are reasons why you would want the Tortellini family gone:

1. Mafia wars so we'd aim to kill each other.

If crazerk dies now, tonight pokerface dies. Followed by Zanderax dying in tomorrow's lynch. This would mean that tonight is the last night you guys are going to get double kills.

In the event of a tie between Crazerk and I, you risk killing me (50-50) and the chain of events will be pikk0n dies today, Crazerk/Zanderax/pokerface tonight, one of them gets lynched tomorrow and depending on the situation, the last member might not die tomorrow night if my family decides that the citizens are overpowering. That'll mean another lynch on day 6 on the last standing Tortellini Family. TWO nights of double kills. Would you risk it?

2. I'm dead tonight regardless

First of all, the Tortellini Family would waste their kill on me for revenge obviously. Second of all, if you suspect that I'm the joker, I still die tonight since the professional will kill me. Prof, keep reading. I have a treat for you later on. You can still win this game by voting for Crazerk on today's daytime lynch.

3. There aren't many town members left.

Make the Tortellini Family waste one kill on me tonight and you'd save yourself because if I die from this lynch, they'd be randomly killing people trying to hit my other members. I'm giving you this extra 1% chance of winning this. Or if you really want, just gift the win to the mafia having killed your fellow citizens and vigis. Only 2 people left are the informants and they'd just kill themselves at night by mentioning something during the daytime lynch. Do the equation yourselves. 2 nights of double kills if I die today or 1 last night of double kill? The death of the Tortellini Family benefits both you townfolks and myself. Also, the mafia has been pretty good at killing townfolks off.

4. I have nothing to lose and my lynches last round have been rather accurate for those who are around who's still alive

Having already won mafia, I am here for the fun of it. The doc's death means that to win this game, I'll have to shut my mouth completely because of my reputation from last round for being extremely strategic. That's just not me. This will be my last contribution to this round of mafia.

I reiterate that I am a member of the Rosellini Family. The joker and our good old informant would know that I'm not lying about my role.

Joker, don't worry. You're not screwed yet if you kill them since you're still suspected of being a Rosellini unless of course you don't agree with my arguments and vote with crazerk. Your chances of winning would go down the drain. Would you want the Tortellini to mistakenly kill you tomorrow night by helping them kill me during this daytime lynch?


LASTLY, to the professional:

You can win this round. I strongly believe that Nobunaga investigated me last night. Also, do note that Nobunaga voted for Paroxysm yesterday. Informants can see if a person is suspicious or not. NOT their roles so he must have investigated Parox 2 nights ago, and last night, investigated me. Is it a high enough chance there for you to use your last remaining kill? You can always wait for tomorrow to kill him after tonight's mafia bloodshed. He feels strongly that I am a mafia and should be voted for. I already made points about Zanderax and pokerface being in the same family.

TO EVERYONE ELSE: Been fun guys. If I survived this daytime lynch, I'll have one last night time to post something. Otherwise, good luck good luck to the mafia. Not to you lousy town people who guaranteed your loss. Heh...Pikk0n signing off for this round of mafia.

Quick Comments

EveRorschach:

because i enjoy the read/commitment from you

[Zanderax]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

2. Zanderax voted for Next_rim during the daytime lynch

Now this completely gave you away. Next_rim voted for pokerface and obviously pokerface retaliated. 15 minutes later (thank you so much for doing this, Zanderax), you voted for Next_rim with the horrible claim that you were basing your votes on the last person who voted since that was the trend and Next_rim's name was the last one you read. Huh??? Seriously? There were like 3-4 people after Next_rim before pokerface!!! THEN there's of course pokerface. You missed them? YET on day 3, your eyesight improved and you voted for me who posted right above ya with the same claim of following the trend. Like I said in the last round. Inconsistency! That's what gave crazerk, you and Meatex away!

The whole point of being lazy is that I don't have to pay attention to details. AH DUH!

Originally Posted by pikk0n

5. Zanderax and pokerface such good buddies. Aww...

I don't remember the 2 of you being so close last round when pokerface was the joker and Zanderax was a mafia. What made you such good friends that Zanderax, you'd even give pokerface a +1 reputation? How sweet this time round. *cough* Inconsistency *cough*

Might I point out that you have also given me a +1 rep this round. I gave it because Rorschach wanted someone else to vote for pikk0n (Now I know why, it's cus you're mafia) and he switched his vote from CrAzerk to Rorschach. How is that not funny?

Originally Posted by pikk0n

I'm a member of the Rosellini family

Why would we trust a mafia?

All in all a pretty weak argument. Maybe you should think about it more when you decided to come out of the closet (as mafia not as gay)

I'm sure Benji wouldn't pick me as Mafia again, let alone CrAzerk and I together. Nice knowing you pikk0n.

Votes Pikk0n

P.S Tortellini, you night want to take him out. He's your enemy.

[pikk0n]

Now the only way to save Crazerk is to force a tie between me and Crazerk and hope the flip of the coin falls in his favour or to hope that the townsfolks aren't convinced by my arguments. So, pokerface and Zanderax, does forcing a tie really result in me getting owned now? Hmm..... Sorry. I know you were referring to Rorshach but I had to use that in this context.

[jackwong]

Pikkon is right, I'll vote for Crazerk

[DtorR]

Are you allowed to post what role you have?

[Nobunaga]

I found it quite interesting that for someone who invests in this game more than others, to conveniently “miss” a vote. Especially after asking him to post first, then set him up the next round. One thing is for sure, pikk0n is very good at manipulating people to do what he wants, which is how he won the previous mafia game. This time, it’s the same thing again.

It was implied by pikk0n that the Rosellini family tried to kill Crazerk on the round that LennX died. The doctor saved Crazerk, and prompted pikk0n to ask Crazerk to vote first. The chance of Crazerk’s vote to kill a mafia is slim; there were 16 people still alive at the beginning of that round, and 10 of them would have been innocent kills. If by chance, Crazerk had chosen his mafia family, they still had their mafia “buffer” to try and keep them from being lynched.

It turned out better than expected.

Paroxysm died. The next night, the Rossellini killed mustapusta, who turned out to be the doctor. Having wasted their previous try, they decided to hit someone else. The Tortellini family on the other hand, failed a kill. Either the doctor was the best doctor ever, or they attacked a Survivor. No one would know. Pikk0n now has the perfect chance to setup Crazerk from the previous round.
Why was Paroxysm killed? It seems that so far, the mafia has been going for the safe kills. Deathfang was a “safe kill”, which was why both families went for him. Who was next? Next_rim, Crazerk and Paroxysm, because they were the ones who talked the most in the day round. Next_rim died, Crazerk was supposedly saved. The professional went on a whim, and killed LennX because he changed votes and killed a citizen.

Paroxysm wasn’t killed. Was there a reason why? No one knew at the time. I voted Paroxysm because of this reason. He was vocal, but he was not dead. I felt that this was better than picking randomly like what the other people did.

After pikk0n’s giant post, I had him on either Mafia or Joker, but I am definitely leaning towards Mafia now that I’ve thought things through and seen through his inconsistency. First he was “you don’t want to vote for me, you will be sorry”. Now it becomes “I am the mafia, listen to me and the citizens might have a chance of winning”.

The other problem with pikk0n’s argument is that the entire crux of his “parting gift” plan is centred on the fact that Crazerk is a mafia. What happens if he isn’t? If Crazerk dies now, and isn’t mafia, who dies next? No one knows, because we’re back to square one and we’re under the mercy of two mafia families. The only consistent thing pikk0n has said is “I have won a previous mafia round, so I’m not concerned on winning anymore”. Let’s be honest, we’re in a Starcraft forum talking about strats, and how to win. I don’t think there’s a person here that doesn’t want to win, even in a mafia forum game.

He’s playing it like he’s a Joker, but you don’t need to kill the Joker to win. The priority kill of the mafia will be to kill everyone else, and if the people think pikk0n is a Joker, he won’t get lynched. What's more, is that he redirected another target for the Professional, namely me. But wait, what did pikk0n say before earlier in the post?

Only 2 people left are the informants and they'd just kill themselves at night by mentioning something during the daytime lynch.

Guess what happens when the Professional wastes his last kill on someone that isn't on his hit list? Two people die. Considering I have been the most vocal poster this round, I can assume that my chances of living aren't very high. However, pikk0n just accused the most vocal poster of being an informant when he said a few paragraphs above that the informants would remain silent? This inconsistency further leads me to believe that the only multi-kills that will be happening tonight will all be in pikk0n's favor.

We usually have no control over who dies at night, but tonight is different. Unfortunately, since the doctor is dead, there’s a high chance that Crazerk will be a target tonight, which means there will be one more “random” target. When there is a clear mafia in front of us, I don’t think we can afford to let him go and hope “the other team kills him”. If he doesn’t die, then after tonight’s kills we’ll be able to press further into this matter.

[nard]

vote pikkon to keep it tied even though i think hes a joker

[Benji]

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga - Voted for pikk0n
3. crAzerk - Voted for pikk0n
4. BakaInu - Voted for Crazerk
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for pikk0n
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n - Voted for Crazerk
18. jackwong - Voted for Crazerk
19. Amornthep
20. Zergtastic
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

5 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pikk0n
1 Vote for Rorschach


Still 24 hours to go, just wanted to make my job easier tomorrow :P

[pikk0n]

Good post Nobunaga, but that's because you investigated Parox and I and found that we are suspicious. The main thing working against you here, Mr. Informant, is that you voted for Paroxysm yesterday. Even if I were to die now, the prof will get a free win from killing you, an informant. Am I really manipulating you for my benefit? Would I win? Nope. Would my family win? Maybe. They stand a higher chance winning than if the other family was still alive. We can only be so lucky till the Tortellini hits them though I am very sure that the Tortellini would be aiming to hit me sooner or later. Maybe they even tried yesterday and failed miserably. It's impossible for me to win another mafia round after the last without the doc like I mentioned in my post. I was patiently waiting for the mafia to hit me or for the daytime players to lynch me which never happened. After the death of the doc, I'd have to be completely passive which is not my style which I already mentioned too. The death of the doc in no way benefited me because of my nature. Town, ever heard of the saying? Your enemy's enemy is your friend even for the day. We need you to win mafia and you need us to win mafia. Manipulative? Yeah, indeed. Very much but that's just the way it is. We can't rely on being able to hit the other mafia family every night with our current strike rate of killing all the non-mafias. LOL! What would happen if we were to have a 3-3 mafia war at the end? The flip of the coin will decide who'll win during a daytime lynch which is completely unfair.

Basically, what I have done is sacrificed myself to a prof who might unwittingly think that I am the joker and waste his kill, to the Tortellinis who would be hating me so much now and to the town. Free kill here. If I survived to tomorrow, I'm not going to last another daytime lynch having played my hands. I never lied in my posts and this is no different. I may make 1 or 2 misjudgements occasionally but I make it known that I am not certain. This time however, I am 100% certain pokerface and Zanderax are mafia, 90% certain crazerk is their fellow member and 80% certain that you're the informant or even our friendly joker. Would a citizen really want to be so vocal now with no proper leads?

Um... About the so called inconsistency as to who I asked the players to vote for, I never said I'm the mafia, vote for me. I maintained my stance that I'm the mafia but do NOT vote for me because I'm going to be killed tonight. You'll remain sorry at the end if you do vote for me. You'll need to deal with 2 nights with double kills. I'm being honest here. You might be lucky in the tie and kill crazerk but if you kill me, you'll be wasting 1 daytime lynch if my family decides to let you guys kill their last member during a dayphase.

As I said, you want that 1% extra chance of winning, you'd kill crazerk today and let the prof or the mafia kill me tonight. Of course, the prof loses if he believes nobunaga's post and good on the informant for surviving another night. Or the prof risks saving his kill for tomorrow night and only go after nobunaga after seeing my role upon death (if the Tortellini decides to not kill me. )

You being the most vocal? Seriously.... LOL! Don't make me laugh. Apart from that long post, Crazerk has been the most vocal person. I exposed you when you held firm to that vote on me and your vote on Parox yesterday. It's the natural thing to do, voting for parox and I if you have information about our role. Suspicious?

It's only natural that you'd want revenge upon me for setting the professional on you but that's definitely a move that'll benefit my family. I'll help the neutral if it helps my family.

One last thing about being manipulative. This is the last move from me and all it does is it ensures that the Rosellini family has no Tortellini to worry about. The manipulative moves are over after this phase and it does bring it down to 2 mafia vs 7 non-mafias. Do you like your odds? The moves after that will be entirely up to you. I would be dead and wouldn't be able to influence the play any further. So, it's entirely up to you whether you wish to be used for one last time to help my family out. I am a risk taker and this is a risk I see worth taking. I took the risk of helping the townsfolk out last round to improve my chances of winning mafia but at the same time, had the citizens made correct votes, they could have easily found me out. How does your move benefit the townsfolk apart from your own personal agendas? You're just saving yourself from the prof tonight and seeing that you've investigated 2 suspicious people, you're most probably going to investigate a non-suspicious tonight.

[crAzerk]

Actually Benji, making those kind of posts help us ALOT, to see things better

I'm reading your post twice through pikk0n and I've no idea how you arrived at this conclusion:

Inconsistency! That's what gave crazerk, you and Meatex away!

Everything that you've outlined has to do with Zanderax and pokerface being Mafia, but I don't see why suddenly I have become implicated just because these two (whether they are mafia or not) are voting with me or something.


And to quote what nobunga said:

The only consistent thing pikk0n has said is “I have won a previous mafia round, so I’m not concerned on winning anymore”. Let’s be honest, we’re in a Starcraft forum talking about strats, and how to win. I don’t think there’s a person here that doesn’t want to win, even in a mafia forum game.

Why are you guys NOT voting for someone who is definitely a Mafia (he already declared it) and instead voting for someone who is only possibly a Mafia?

To be fair, there's the possibility that pikk0n is the Joker actually and he is just playing his brilliant manipulation game of reverse reverse reverse psychology to mindf-k with us all, but from my understanding from his tone and the way he has written, it seems to elaborate and sound a post to be totally made up.


To re-iterate - pikk0n has more or less confessed to being a Mafia. And I have DENIED that I am a Mafia. Why on earth are you still voting for me?


(Though at the back of my mind, I cant shake off the nagging suspicion that pikk0n may be Joker though. Is the Informant sure ? :/ Don't step forward though please. Don't be a pikk0n. )

[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

I'm reading your post twice through pikk0n and I've no idea how you arrived at this conclusion:



Everything that you've outlined has to do with Zanderax and pokerface being Mafia, but I don't see why suddenly I have become implicated just because these two (whether they are mafia or not) are voting with me or something.


And to quote what nobunga said:

Why are you guys NOT voting for someone who is definitely a Mafia (he already declared it) and instead voting for someone who is only possibly a Mafia?

To be fair, there's the possibility that pikk0n is the Joker actually and he is just playing his brilliant manipulation game of reverse reverse reverse psychology to mindf-k with us all, but from my understanding from his tone and the way he has written, it seems to elaborate and sound a post to be totally made up.


To re-iterate - pikk0n has more or less confessed to being a Mafia. And I have DENIED that I am a Mafia. Why on earth are you still voting for me?


(Though at the back of my mind, I cant shake off the nagging suspicion that pikk0n may be Joker though. Is the Informant sure ? :/ Don't step forward though please. Don't be a pikk0n. )

Thats because if he is really a mafia, we have 1 target less to lynch at the moment, since the priority is the 5 other mafia. It helps reduce the burden of searching for 6 mafia instead. That being said, if we vote for him, and his a joker. We're just falling into his trap. That being said, you denying being a mafia by pushing all the votes to pikkon seems to be more of an opportunistic saving your ass by pushing votes to pikkon rather than getting other people lynched other than you and pikkon. That may be true, but we prefer a more solid argument from you, rather than just pushing your votes to pikkon.

[Meatex]

not paying attention but is pikkon saying I am mafia, again?
Must kill him quickly then
vote pikkon

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by Meatex

not paying attention but is pikkon saying I am mafia, again?
Must kill him quickly then
vote pikkon

LOL, Meatex. I said that Pokerface, Zanderax and Crazerk are the mafia and they are members of the Tortellini family. I AM a mafia.

[crAzerk]

That may be true, but we prefer a more solid argument from you, rather than just pushing your votes to pikkon.

How about this - There is no solid argument whatsoever for me being Mafia.
If you reread pikk0n's argument again, the only supposed Mafia-indication for me is because of 2 others' voting patterns which somehow implicated me.

[ToRskrawL]

Vote for Pikkon

I have a feeling that he really is the mafia, you see, pikkon is really tricky. hes making us think that hes joker by just randomly admitting hes mafia, but really, he probably is the mafia

[Meatex]

Pikkon ahead by 2 votes fyi
to those wanting the tie thingy

[pikk0n]

The solid argument for you being the mafia is the fact that initially, you seemed not too fussed about being in a tie with your fellow members, pokerface and zanderax playing around with the votes. The moment I came in and pointed those facts out, the tie is out of the picture and you have to make sure that I die because you would implicate yourself by being in a draw.

As for starcraft 2 being a strategic game, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this even related to starcraft 2? The desperation in you trying to save yourself. Here's my strategy. I'm not really worried about dying here. As I mentioned earlier. This is my last play. I did this to expose the last remaining Tortellini mafia family member for my family. Whether we decide to waste our night time kill tomorrow night or let you townsfolk waste a daytime lynch on them, is entirely up to the remaining 2 members. Depending on how things go. We might decide that the Tortellini is still required. I am giving you townsfolks an option for a win but if you wish to have a guaranteed loss, send in the votes this way. I'd happily take them. Also, should I die now, Nobunaga is a guaranteed dead informant tonight. Prof, you have to thank me at the end of the game. You're not going to get an easier game than this... Well, the last game was easier but that's besides the point.

Lastly, gg not so wp to the citizens. It'll be a nice way to go out with a bang watching you commit suicide. I told you, I do not lie about being the mafia. I AM a Rosellini Family member. And I will prove from the deaths that all my predictions/lynches have been spot on, bang on the money unlike the random lynches you guys throw around. This play will determine which team will win and I'm certain my family has this game in the bag barring some really unlucky streak.

[nard]

Holy crap. This game is heating up some.

I think pikkon is still a joker... Why would he be so aggressive championing himself to be mafia when the point is to stay under the radar. That being said I still think creating a draw between crazerk and pikkon is still a good idea.

If pikkon is a joker and dies while crazerk survives... That's two rounds crazerk has survived a tie.
If pikkon is mafia and dies we can confirm that crazerk is a mafia.
If crazerk dies and is revealed as mafia... Well it only confirms that pikkon is a mafia and his time is limited by his revelation anyway.
If crazerk is a townie and dies... We will lose a player who actually bothers analyzing the game.

4 possibilities.
Problem is dare we take the risk?

[crAzerk]

I am NOT a mafia, so your possibilities are like this if you force a tie:

Pikk0n is a joker, and so based on coinflip we'll see who dies by chance.
pikk0n is a MAFIA as he says, and I, an innocent person, will die for no reason.

If the 2nd happens, the Mafia will have 6 members remaining still, and after the Night kills they will have an advantage over the Citizens. (6 : 5 I believe) (Though of course they are still in different families so it's more of 3:3:5)

If you vote pikk0n now, you will be guaranteed 3 : 2: 5 at least, which will be beneficial.

It's funny how the two people being voted now, one of them is saying he's definitely Mafia while one of them is saying he's definitely not Mafia. Oh well.

[nard]

Every mafia worth his salt would say he isn't mafia. Lol.
Unless that mafia is pikkon... Even then he may not be

[pikk0n]

I don't get why there's talk about me being the joker when I'm not him. If the draw results in me dying, the citizens have no chance of winning. The chance only exists albeit slim if crazerk dies during the day phase to avoid two more nights of double kill. I mentioned earlier that you'll be sorry for voting for me and you will definitely be.

I found crazerk out by sheer luck. I mistakenly thought that the vigi carried more weight in a tie breaker and decided to Lynch crazerk and Dtorr being certain that a draw between them would result in a prof or mafia dying. When benji pointed this flaw, I thought I was screwed until Pokerface and zanderax came to crazerk's rescue. That's when I was 100% certain that crazerk was the last tortellini and my suicidal Lynch was worth it. That was pure luck which went together with some strategy despite the huge blunder I made initially. I'm my family's sacrificial lamb to assist them in winning.

Professional, if I were to die during the day, don't waste this chance to hit nobunaga. Your big chance at winning. He's not a member in my family and you know that mafia would love to kill informants too. Heh... do you trust me to go after him? If you had two kills, you would but I can assure you that I am suspicious and so was paroxysm yesterday.

[crAzerk]

If the draw results in me dying, the citizens have no chance of winning

ONLY if you are right that I am Mafia. But I am not.

Regardless, from the look of it, you are going to die from the day lynch.
Angry mob kills you!

(First random pic I found lol)

[pikk0n]

Here's the equation to you town people if I die during the day just to prove my point as to why my family would win. Crazerk, the angry mob here are just like those depicted in the picture. Confused and royally screwed. Heh... Problem is, crazerk. I am right and you are dead tonight even if you do survive the daytime lynch. I'd enjoy dying either way. Mob/mafia.

pikk0n dies during the day:

You kill ONE mafia. HURRAY good on you? Surely not when I clearly told you that I'm the mafia. LOL! Anyway, night time. Rosellini kills ONE Tortellini family member (crazerk/pokerface/zanderax) and Tortellini guess what? Attempts to kill a Rosellini, and kills one of you. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I'll be enjoying this. Day time lynch, gogo lynch one of them because you now know how royally screwed you are. Oh, and Nobunaga informant 1 dies. Prof wins.

Night two, Tortellini's last member attempts to go after another Rosellini and misses again.... LOL!!!!! Rosellini's 2 members decides let's let this remaining Tortellini kill some random citizen and we'll try to find the last informant. OR if you're lucky and we see the presence of the last Tortellini more a hindrance than that of the town and we kill him off for you.

Daytime comes and you've lost 3 non-mafia mininum which includes the informant. How does the equation now look for 2 mafia vs 4 non-mafia? Or 3 mafia vs 3 non-mafia? Excellent!

crazerk dies during the daytime lynch:

Nighttime comes, pikk0n gets killed by EITHER Tortellini for being such a dick and exposing all 3 or the prof who suspects that pikk0n is the joker. Of course, he may wait for pikk0n's death before making a move on Nobunage so we'll keep this in mind. Rosellini kills one tortellini member.

Dayphase and duh.... you kill the last tortellini. derp? Nighttime, Rosellini starts making kills on citizens, Nobunaga dies to the prof.

Dayphase, entirely up to you.

So, that's 2 deaths there MAXIMUM assuming the Rosellini doesn't kill Nobunaga. 2 mafia vs 5 non-mafia or 2 mafia vs 6 non-mafia. Which equation favours you? From your way of voting, I don't see how my family can lose. You'll end up killing each other.

Crazerk's death gives you a TINY chance of winning. My death gives you NO chance, makes life just a tiny bit harder for us but makes life extremely difficult for you.


Then you'll be like the sore mob depicted in the picture from crazerk. LOL!!!! My death will significantly influence your chances and that's how I enjoy playing this mafia game. Flip a coin. Crazerk or I? Seriously think it's better if I die, go right ahead.

[pikk0n]

One last thing for you, crazerk and again Zanderax gave you away. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've got to love your teammate. By defending himself instead of switching his vote to you to prove a point, he has made it clear that you're a mafia. Why you may ask?

Here's how it works. If you're NOT a mafia in his family , he'd switch votes to you kill you during this dayphase. Killing you would make my arguments seem like a pikk0n grudge against crazerk since Crazerk is exposed as a non-mafia. That'll save him and pokerface from the next daytime lynch. Also the Rosellini will have to still figure out who the last mafia dude of the Tortellini is. Even if we were sure that pokerface and Zanderax were mafia members, the last member is safe ensuring the Tortellini has a chance at winning.

Because you're the mafia, he has to save you by protecting himself through that post of his because your death validates my points. You're exposed as the mafia.

Thank Zanderax for me in your PMs. Appreciate the hints given out along the way.

[crAzerk]

You seem to be lost in your own world pikk0n, talking with your double posts with edits later on to avoid more double posts. And you may want to add a "@abc" at the start of your post if you are using 'you' 'you' all the way because I'm not quite sure who you're talking to.

Anyway, a move to just screw with your mind even more because it's funny how I see you blabbering randomly about how SURE you are of things... -

Benji, I change my vote to dtorR


Cmon guys, kill off the obvious Mafia, that is pikk0n.

The players can ignore my vote change, it's irrelevant anyway as long as one person switches from me to pikk0n. I'm just interested as to seeing what pikk0n says to this haha.

P.S. You are highly entertaining

[Amornthep]

Voting dtorR.

[Nobunaga]

From reading all the posts that have been written last night, it really sounds like pikk0n is thinking that:

1. Crazerk voted first last round and voted a vigilante.
2. Thus Crazerk is a mafia.

His entire argument is based around that notion. His further arguments have been inconsistent, and what he has been saying it boils down to:

1. Kill Crazerk even though I’m mafia. It’s better that way.
2. Nobunaga is the informant. Professional should kill him.

I’d like to raise a simple theory that debunks both arguments. Let us assume that pikk0n isn’t 100% lying, and he really is mafia and wants his family to win.

He wants to lower the citizen count and sow discord between everyone that’s voting. He’s going to point at 3 people, call them Tortellini members, and offer a “master plan” that will kill them all off. He sets up Crazerk as the key person to take the shot, because he killed the vigilante last round, so most of the citizens would be upset. He targets pokerface, as his irregular voting makes him an “easy” target. His last choice is Zanderax, because his reasoning is that Zanderax likes to troll DeathFang, so he killed him first even though DeathFang was an easy kill the first round.

These arguments are extremely flimsy. If any of them are a citizen, we kill one of our own, while leaving 2 mafia families killing our dudes. This doesn’t have to be a killing blow to the Tortellini family; all he needs is to wait for lines to form in the name-calling that will ensue, and slowly pick apart each group. His mafia group will guarantee two votes, and as the numbers get lower, their influence will get stronger.

In this chaos, the professional is the random factor here. He is the only one with the last random bullet, and that random bullet could kill anyone, including one of his fellow mafia members. As part of his play, if he gets the Professional to use his shot there will be no more random kills, even if the Professional kills himself.

The real thing that is showing through every post he makes is his inconsistency. First he says X will do Y, and thus he is Z. Later on he says that X will not do Y, and thus he is definitely Z. He knows this is his last round, and his mannerisms are getting more desperate and commanding with every post he makes. If he really is playing for his family, it’s not going to be as clear cut as “kill these people and you will win”.

[nard]

What pikkon says make sense... Abt the double kill and all.

Switching vote to dtorr to force a tie

[Benji]

Crazerk has been killed by the Citizens. He is the Joker. Crazerk is one of the winners of Round 4!

Zergtastic has been killed from Inactivity. He is a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for pikk0n
2. Nobunaga - Voted for pikk0n
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - Voted for Crazerk
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for pikk0n
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for DtorR
16. Rorschach - Voted for Crazerk
17. pikk0n - Voted for Crazerk
18. jackwong - Voted for Crazerk
19. Amornthep - Voted for DtorR
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)


5 Votes for Crazerk
4 Votes for pikk0n
3 Votes for DtorR
1 Vote for Rorschach

Jackwong, pikk0n, Rorschach, DtorR and Bakainu are all feeling very guilty right now, one of them will commit suicide tonight!

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their nightime votes.

To clarify, Joker death is done at nighttime and will NOT overlap with any of the other kills. It will be randomized (with the Professional not being an option if he is one of the 5 players) AFTER the hits take place.

[EveRorschach]

Haha, awesome CrAzerk, nicely played. When I read you switched votes to force a tie, I scrolled down to change my vote but it was too late!

[pikk0n]

Congratulations, crazerk. Nicely played. the last minute vote change helped. Hehe. Gg, crazerk.

Is there something wrong with my browser but when did zergtastic vote?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Congratulations, crazerk. Nicely played. the last minute vote change helped. Hehe. Gg, crazerk.

Is there something wrong with my browser but when did zergtastic vote?

Wow, my bad, Zanderax posted twice (WHY?!?!) and I guess in my pre Red Bull state I misread it. Regardless it doesnt effect the outcome, the 48 hours are up and you didn't die anyway.

I'll fix my post, thx.

Quick Comments

Zanderax:

Sorry about that, I forgot I had already voted.

[pikk0n]

It wouldn't have because of crazerk's vote change. Very well played to our joker. This will be the first time the joker death is used which should be fun.

[crAzerk]

The following post will have no relevance to the rest of the game so please allow me to just post my final post

Hehe thanks all

The last 48 hours were the crucial play for me and while pikk0n more or less handed me the win singlehandedly with his horrific blunder, I was pretty lucky to have 2 more votes switched off pikk0n just before the round ended, though I really have no idea what compelled those 2 people to follow my random vote switch.

Good luck to those left in the game! See y'all next round

[pikk0n]

Hehe, crazerk. It was but I suspected Zanderax and pokerface. When they voted for me, your chances of being a joker went from 60% to 5%. These horrific blunders are what make mafia fun. Yesterday was the most fun I've had in this mafia with all the banter going on and the typing.

[Benji]

pokerface has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He is a member of the Tortellini Family

Amornthep has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is the Professional.

BakaInu has committed suicide after killing the Joker. He is a member of the Rossellini Family.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n
18. jackwong
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[pikk0n]

Lol... amorn... told ya to go after nobunaga. So I live to spew shit again for another day and my safe buddy is gone. We know for sure that zanderax and I are mafia so either draw us or kill me today. Told ya citizens that if I died yesterday it would benefit the mafia more. Hehe... big risk, eh? If you kill either zanderax or I today, it shouldn't matter but right now, we are trying to find the last tortellini member. Trust the other family to go after professionals lol... we have an idea on who the last tortellini is but will try our luck with our kill tonight. Do you trust the rosellini or the tortellini to miss a non mafia? It is entirely up to you. You get to kill me tomorrow for sure if I live today. skrawl?

My vote is for Zanderax for obvious reasons and his for me. Lol...the free win for crazerk was definitely worth it, wasn't it?


Got home on my laptop now: Hmm..... I need to get rid of this horrible habit of helping the citizens out too much. Damnit, Benji! Don't ever give me another killing role. LOL! Hmm.... Killing Zanderax today would actually benefit you guys more so I suggest killing me. Killing NEITHER of us would screw you guys up so you have to pick one. Flip a coin yourself or draw us and let Benji flip the coin.

I'll try my best to refrain myself from posting and changing my votes but ooooohhhh.... I am so tempted to write another book. LOL!

[nard]

R u taking the heat off dtorr for the obvious reasons?
Vote dtorr



Edit: we should force a tie between pikkon and the person he is clearly trying to deflect attention away from... Which is dtorr btw...

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by nard

R u taking the heat off dtorr for the obvious reasons?
Vote dtorr

You might want to read my final edit. Last round, I mentioned that crazerk's death will benefit the citizens more. This time, it's no different. If neither of us die, the town is screwed. My death will benefit my family and the mafia more. I strongly suggest killing me today. You're going to waste a vote on a random lynch rather than 2 confirmed mafia?

Read your edit: Well, if he's a town member, you just royally screwed yourself. Don't force a tie between me and another non-mafia because he'll die. I don't see the point.

[Nobunaga]

It's interesting how everything turned out.

I find it odd that nard would vote for a random player against a mafia player. The correct votes for today is to vote out pikk0n, because he's mafia. The other choice is Zanderax, because pikk0n has been going on and on about how he has to be mafia. In the face of these two choices, why vote Dtorr when we really have nothing to go on except that he voted really quickly after Crazerk a few turns ago?

Considering that Crazerk's role was Joker, if you see his reasoning now, he played a very smart game by making himself sound very annoying and inconsistent. Now, the only reason we have to vote Dtorr is that he voted quickly with Crazerk, which is a pretty inconsistent argument. Lets say that we put him against pikk0n. He auto-dies if he's not mafia, and if he's mafia it's a 50/50. It is probably one of the worst moves to do.

I don't know where he came up with the reasoning of deflecting attention away from Dtorr, because pikk0n hasn't ever mentioned him at all.

[nard]

My reasons are simple. Dtorr survived a tie.
But yes u r right. I'm surprised that pikkon isn't killed off by now.
Switching vote to pikkon

[DtorR]

Might as well leave pikkon for last. I vote Zanderax.

[Zanderax]

Guys pikk0n told us he was mafia, the only other thing he could be is joker.
votes pikk0n

[ToRskrawL]

vote Pikkon

[Nobunaga]

1st Day of Voting: Sonata dies
Voted include pikk0n, bakainu, jackwong

2nd Day of Voting: HDPhoneix dies
Voted by bakainu and jackwong. pikk0n voted for nard.

3rd Day of Voting: Paroxysm dies
Votes did no include pikk0n, bakainu, and jackwong because they all didn't vote.

4th Day of Voting: Crazerk dies
Votes included jackwong, bakainu and pikk0n.

Yes or no?

[pikk0n]

Nobunaga, you just gave yourself away as the rosellini member. Thanks. I took a massive risk last round by voting for crazerk but as I said, I already won mafia. I suspected that he is the joker or mafia. I was expecting to die from the Lynch but didn't thanks to the joker being counted equal to a citizen/informant. Otherwise, benji's blunder with zergtastic's vote would kill me. As I said yesterday, my death benefits the mafia. The reason for that is because I am not the mafia as claimed. I am the informant. I can finally show myself without gifting the professional a win. Tortellini, if I were you, I'd keep me alive rather than expose yourself by voting for me. Of the ones I investigated, only Dtorr is still alive and innocent. The rest are dead. Pokerface was killed by the rosellini because i exposed him. Now it is zanderax's turn. do you think killing me will help your cause? The rosellini will still have two members and you'll be left with one unknown. Take the risk and save this informant for one more night or kill chance of winning?

Think of why I survived last night despite not being a mafia. The rosellini needs me to die today in case I get lucky and investigate them. If I survive during the day, they will kill me tonight instead of your last member. I helped them yesterday, I shall help you today because let's face it, your chances increase higher if you can snipe their second member. Crazerk's death really helped you out with the death of bakainu. You have zanderax who has been exposed. Do you want the rosellini to figure who you are through the votes? Not many non mafias to sift through. That said, the citizens and survivor stand a chance of winning with the second rosellini revealed.

Here's the reason I didn't investigate nobunaga last night. I thought the prof will waste a kill on him but he didn't and got killed by you. I decided to be sure with zanderax and investigate him. Guilty and you killed the prof last night. Big blunder, guys.

Nobunaga, you asked for a tied vote between nard and I for what reason? At this stage of the game, tied votes screw the town over. Yet you asked for one? You're so vocal and yes. you are right. Informants, unless he's pikkon wouldn't be a vocal nutjob. You are a mafia! And a member of the rosellini family who has decided that it is safe to come out because some nutjob just suicided. My suicide benefited you yesterday but today will kill you. I do stupid shit but it always kills a mafia. This time, it'll kill you.

It was better to claim that I was a mafia yesterday as it is proven so far. Same risk I took last round with the arsonist beating mafia tie. Had crazerk and I tied in round 3, I would be suspected as the mafia and they would know I'm the arsonist. I take a lot of risks.

Lol... on the first day, who did not vote for sonata. On the second day, you're tying that how? It was a random vote on random people. Those who posted before us. Third day, there was barely a yelp from the accused. I did not keep track of votes even once.

citizens, I am the informant. Your second rosellini has shown himself. Nobunaga! as I said, my death will benefit the mafia more, so kill me. I said the same thing yesterday. And as you all saw, my survival placed you in a better position today. Rosellini's last member, I suggest you kill either zanderax or nobunaga with the daytime Lynch to remain hidden. If you don't kill me tonight, I might find you. If you keep nobunaga alive against zanderax, you will force the tortellini to kill nobu and not you. If the tortellini wants to risk finding your last member like they did last night, they might find the second informant seeing how they have been so bad with their killing now. That would benefit you. This day and night play is extremely important for everyone. My death will benefit the mafia so survivor, citizen and the last informant, help me out. It'll save you from getting killed tonight since the mafia will Target me. If they don't, they will have me possibly investigate the last rosellini or tortellini member. I'll reveal my findings tomorrow if I survive.

Mafia, if you coordinate your votes against me now, you'll expose your last members assuming the citizens are smart enough to not commit suicide. Wanna risk killing me?

[jackwong]

Vote Zanderax

[Nobunaga]

Voting pikk0n. It's pretty obvious from the votes so far, that jackwong is in league with pikk0n, and from pikk0n's lengthy reaction post that Rosellini has been found out.

Sure the first few votes can be random, but as we get more and more to the later rounds and trying to make ties or to lynch specific targets, a mafia will need all their votes on one person to seal the deal. This was shown in the last few vote attempts, when an entire mafia abstained (it didn't matter) or voted the same person (they believed Crazerk was a mafia, and needed him eliminated to take the advantage).

If pikk0n gets lynched, Tortellini will need to kill jackwong off, or risk getting one of them killed by him at night, and possibly getting eliminated in the next daytime lynch.

[EveRorschach]

Voting pikk0n because he mindf*cks me at the best of times. Though this has been the best read of the 4 mafia games!

[nard]

im going to have to point out something real obvious. dtorr and pikkon are both in the same family.

my observations:

dtorr survived a tie. increasing the likelihood that he is mafia by a little bit

pikk0n jumps in, claims he is mafia, and now claims he is informant. which i think is unlikely. so he is mafia

pikk0n keeps moving attention away from dtorr. (flimsy evidence but still there)

now the icing on the cake, dtorr wants to save pikkon "for last"

[nard]

switching my vote back to dtorr as a result.

@nobunaga: are u saying that the 3 of them are in one family and we should ignore dtorr totally?

[DtorR]

ok nard your next after voting and nighttime.

[nard]

i've come to a conclusion that killing pikkon might result in a townie dying..
Lovers. hence the one extra person seeming to want to protect pikkon all the time, a.k.a dtorr.

switch votes to Zanderax

[Zanderax]

Oi! A guy comes forth that he is a Mafia and he is not instantly killed? How does this work? I mean is crAzerk was mafia and he said it to get everyone to vote for crAzerk then thats ok but crAzerk was a completely innocent joker. We have a mafia so lets take him out.

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by Zanderax

Oi! A guy comes forth that he is a Mafia and he is not instantly killed? How does this work? I mean is crAzerk was mafia and he said it to get everyone to vote for crAzerk then thats ok but crAzerk was a completely innocent joker. We have a mafia so lets take him out.

Yeah, I came out yesterday claiming to be the mafia and your family fell for it. You tried going after the other unknown Rosellinis and ended up killing the prof which worked wonderfully. I was hoping the prof would waste his last kill on Nobunaga but he didn't. Claiming to be a citizen = suspected mafia, informant = Not enough good info + free win to prof, prof = hmm.... Probably a better idea, mafia = voted by some of the citizens but they'd try and force a tie with someone else. If I died, the other person would be lynched the next day or killed by the mafia wanting a lead. It is mafia wars anyway so they'd turn against each other.

Benji, no vote change here

The death of the 'innocent' joker killed the prof, and a mafia from each family. You're just sour because you lost pokerface.

Right now, it's a tie so you guys will end up killing an informant. Before I die, I'll leave a present for Nobunaga's Rosellini family. I didn't investigate this person but I got a sudden suspicion. I mentioned in my long post yesterday that pokerface and you are extremely good buddies in this round. Now that I go through yesterday's post, it seems that he changed his vote to Rorshach as a joke right after what Rorshach has said about the tie and your OWNED comment is directed at your mafia buddy in Rorshach. The close bonds doesn't really seem as obvious as that of yours with pokerface BUT there was something there. I'd say I'm 70% sure on this.

That said, Rorshach did thumbs up my post yesterday. Could it be that he's a Rosellini member being rather satisfied and a little proud at the fact that their family is 'protected' from a kill? Those actions seem a little sus.

Why I decided to expose you Rors? It's not because I investigated you but because your vote for me made me angry. So I figured I'll chuck in this one last bit of information to the citizens/mafia before i die. If you're the Tortellini, then Rosellini has won the mafia wars but not the wars with the town yet.

So one last mafia I found is Rorshach with 70% certainty . By the end of this game, we shall see how accurate my lynches have been in the couple of mafia games I've played up till now. I knew that crazerk was not a townsfolk but misjudged him for really being the mafia but that misjudgement kept me alive and gave the townsfolk a much higher chance at winning this game. Good luck, guys. Find the last remaining mafia member!

[EveRorschach]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

That said, Rorshach did thumbs up my post yesterday. Could it be that he's a Rosellini member being rather satisfied and a little proud at the fact that their family is 'protected' from a kill? Those actions seem a little sus.

I think you're looking into things a bit too deep here. I think I thumbs'd up a novel that you wrote as I was at work and these games are awesome to read/play while there. I just appreciate the effort some of the more main players put into this sorta stuff, makes better than perusing facebook for 6 hrs! I'm sure all the other fringe players agree.

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Why I decided to expose you Rors? It's not because I investigated you but because your vote for me made me angry. So I figured I'll chuck in this one last bit of information to the citizens/mafia before i die. If you're the Tortellini, then Rosellini has won the mafia wars but not the wars with the town yet.

So the person who goes from being an admitted (supposed) mafia, to a (supposed) informant. He then also admits that he HASN'T investigated me, but because of self admitted 'revenge' decides to throw my name in there. Go back through every post I've made, I fail to see any connection to a mafia (pokerface or bakainu, two seperate familes) other than pokerface voting for me because he is an aggressive hot head. Investigate me tonight, if you are the real informant, I've nothing to hide.

Originally Posted by pikk0n

So one last mafia I found is Rorshach with 70% certainty . By the end of this game, we shall see how accurate my lynches have been in the couple of mafia games I've played up till now. I knew that crazerk was not a townsfolk but misjudged him for really being the mafia but that misjudgement kept me alive and gave the townsfolk a much higher chance at winning this game. Good luck, guys. Find the last remaining mafia member!

I love the arbitrary 70% number, it's like you have made some probability macro on SPSS and it's popped this out. Last time you said you were CERTAIN (not 70% lol) about a mafia member, you nearly killed another citizen by persuading us to vote for the joker (including me), CrAzerk. So it was pure chance that it helped the town and not the mafia, not you. The whole post has been pretty much a "you voted for me, so I'll just type your name here a few times and see who bites".

[nard]

There are three lines of thought here that is prevalent in this round.

1. Leaving pikkon for lynch later/leaving pikkon for other mafia's nighttime kill.
2. Forcing ties with pikkon to further root out more mafia
3. Keeping pikkon alive for now because he might be lovers with a townie. (my personal line of thought)

[Benji]

FYI 2 days have passed but I am quite busy and won't be able to update it until tomorrow morning, so I'll just extend the day until then ^_^

[ToRDeathsFang]

Days can't be extended. The only possible way to extend the day is by moving the Earth further away from the sun. How you will do this to extend the day i would love to know.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

Days can't be extended. The only possible way to extend the day is by moving the Earth further away from the sun. How you will do this to extend the day i would love to know.

I moved the earth further from the sun, and I shall move it back tomorrow.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Originally Posted by Benji

I moved the earth further from the sun, and I shall move it back tomorrow.

I demand video and/or photographic evidence ^_^

[cruxis]

He's the Dungeon Master and has control over the very fabrics of time and space.

[nard]

Yes rorschach... These games are awesome to kill time.... Time spent with in laws = time spent forum mafia-ing

[pikk0n]

Rorshach, I am always wary of people claiming that they themselves are citizens because hey. What else would a mafia claim to be? That said, a citizen will claim that he's a citizen for obvious reasons but that's really not the point. Judging someone on this matter would be rather short-sighted.

Why 70%? Because like you said, pokerface is a hothead but that's the only lead. You liking my post? MAYBE that's a sign of you being a mafia but I'm basing that judgement on Zanderax a confirmed mafia and pokerface so it might be a thing going on with mafias. Who knows? But I found that odd since this round's the first time the reps are being used.

Me lynching a joker. Sure, we almost lost a citizen there but at the same time, I saved the citizens by giving the Rosellini someone to kill at night. ie. pokerface then myself by pretending to be a Rosellini. On top of that, I tried to bluff the professional into killing Nobunaga whom I felt was a mafia. Thanks to pokerface's death, you can be 100% sure that Zanderax is in the Tortellini family. I believe that the Rosellini sees this too. My judgement of pokerface and Zanderax has been proven to be 100% accurate. As for the so called 'mistake' in killing crazerk, without investigating him, I'd be relying on reading through his moves to decide on whether he was a mafia. I didn't investigate him the night before my tirade because I mistakenly believed that the tied votes gave preference to the vigi over citizens. Last night's investigation showed that dtorr was also innocent so I could have potentially made a huge blunder by killing off 2 mafia. A mistake on my part for not knowing the tiebreaker system well enough. A joker would want to be seen as a mafia and Crazerk did that really well without giving himself away apart from the tiny tiny 'possible' clue when he asked Benji about the tiebreaker. What screwed me over was when pokerface and Zanderax came out with their votes. Had either one of them voted for Crazerk, I'd have instantly known that Crazerk was the joker but both went for me first. So kudos to them for screwing the joker votes up.

That said, I don't lead citizen lynches. My judgement on a person's mafia-like behaviour has been pretty much spot-on. MAYBE you'll be my first mistake? Maybe... But until Benji reveals your role, we'd never know. I believe that one of the mafia family would be licking their lips at the prospect of finding another mafia. From last night's kills,it seems that they believe in my ability in weeding out mafias. So if you're the Tortellini, you can expect the Rosellini to try their luck on you and if you're Rosellini, you'd expect the Tortellini to also kill you seeing that they have been wonderful at missing mafias. My revenge is you'd be killed by one of them. Also, another thing to add is that even if you're a citizen, they're still not going to lose out that much. It's still 2-2. That said, I believe it's more likely that you're not a citizen and more likely to be a Tortellini.

Citizens would prefer a tie between Zanderax and I over a favoured vote because let's face it. To them, it's a flip of the coin if they believe that I'm really a Rosellini. A Tortellini would prefer it if they can avoid tying votes between Zanderax and I so their last member can remain safe for a longer period. Again, this isn't a good way to judge whether someone is a mafia.

It's mainly a strong hunch from the behaviour of Zanderax and pokerface around ya that I believe that you're the last Tortellini. It's not 100% for a reason until MAYBE you or someone here says something that'll turn things around.

[Benji]

pikk0n has been killed by the Citizens. He was a member of the Rossellini Family.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga - Voted for pikk0n
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for pikk0n
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - Voted for pikk0n
14. DtorR - Voted for Zanderax
15. nard - Voted for Zanderax
16. Rorschach Voted for pikk0n
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - Voted for Zanderax
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

4 Votes for pikk0n
4 Votes for Zanderax

It is now Nighttime. Players have 24 hours to submit their nighttime actions.

[Benji]

pikk0n, I know you're going to want to post, but I don't want to see ANYTHING AT ALL game related.

Quick Comments

EveRorschach:

rofl

[nard]

Mind blown.

[EveRorschach]

rofl at Pikk0n saying I'm a Tortellini member, when it turns out that he is.

[Nobunaga]

It also means Zanderax is a confirmed mafia.

[pikk0n]

Benji, I'm Rosellini!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTH?! This is game related sorry but It's going to affect the votes tomorrow. LOL!

*splutter* *splutter* *pukes* *pukes* Urrkkk.... URRGGHHH.... Blerrrgghhhhh... *dies* *rises?* *no dies!!!*

Edit: I am NOT going to post after this. Just this one correction for you.

[Benji]

Lol yea my bad, my Master document has 'Mafia 1' and 'Mafia 2' and I gotta figure out the family everytime something happens :S (fail on my behalf).

[mustapusta]

i can't wait for the game to end, so i can tell the world how bad of a doctor i am.
(Suggestion, benji could also put at the end of each game who the doc/informat saved/checked. would help people understand the game more.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by mustapusta

i can't wait for the game to end, so i can tell the world how bad of a doctor i am.
(Suggestion, benji could also put at the end of each game who the doc/informat saved/checked. would help people understand the game more.

I delete the messages to avoid my inbox filling up :S

[crAzerk]

Lol! But I AM interested in how I managed to survive so many night rounds - or at least what happened in those night rounds with only one Mafia kill. :S Maybe Mafia can enlighten us after the game is over.

And lolol @ pikk0n's antics in the last 24 hours. Shall refrain from commenting as it may be 'game-related' but those who have been following it would find it highly amusing

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Lol! But I AM interested in how I managed to survive so many night rounds - or at least what happened in those night rounds with only one Mafia kill. :S Maybe Mafia can enlighten us after the game is over.

And lolol @ pikk0n's antics in the last 24 hours. Shall refrain from commenting as it may be 'game-related' but those who have been following it would find it highly amusing

You MAY have been saved twice...

(Pretty sure that information won't affect the game with Doctor and Crazerk dead :P )

[pikk0n]

Crazerk. With you gone, there wasn't much debate. Boring as.... Just like it was last game after you died, it was dead silence even when I lynched Zanderax, it was DEAD! NOT how mafia is meant to be played. RAWR!

As for the doc/crazerk issue, we'll find out at the end of the game. I may/may not know what happened.

p/s: is anyone else getting this double post issue where you click on submit and you get redirected to this page saying that you need to wait 30 seconds between posts only to find that you have apparently hit the submit button twice with the message already posted when clearly, I only hit submit once. Did I bug the messaging system out with my incessant rambling or is this similar for everyone?

[Next_rim]

The problem is that all the active players get killed early, and all the passive players slowly finish the game. What saddens me is that few passive players are actually silent because it's their strategy (which is fine). Most just don't commit to the game enough, and are lazy or busy to offer their insight into the tame.

I would guess that's the problem with all online mafia games. IRL, when yall drunk with friends, you can't really quit unless you pass out (that happened to me last time we played mafia at a party olololol).

[pikk0n]

Couldn't agree more, Next_rim. Well, I have to say that I have created the world record for the longest total posts in this mafia round. Time to compile all of them and either make a book or a youtube parody. I can imagine this 'The struggles of pikk0n'. Round 4 mafia on sc2sea.com...... Featuring.....

[Nobunaga]

I've got to say there's a pretty interesting dynamic going on here.

There's 2 Tortellini members, 1 who is confirmed (Zanderax) and one unknown. The last Rosellini member is unknown.

Rosellini can win the game if he kills Zanderax, causing the next round to have a random lynch. Rosellini can then play it safe, and kill people tactically when leads are found. Likewise, Tortellini has a good chance of winning because one of their members is unknown, and if they kill the right person they eliminate the chance of random kills, while keeping their last player's identity hidden.

I also think Nard is a mafia. His vote switch from DtorR to Zanderax at the last round made the tie between pikk0n and Zanderax. What does this achieve? pikk0n was way overdue to be dead. By tying the last vote, he is able to lynch a completely innocent player becuase pikk0n has better tiebreakers, or find out if Zanderax is really a mafia or not. It was a great play and he is probably the last Rosellini member. However, if he's a Tortellini member, mind blown indeed.

It now all comes down to which mafia side does not shoot the other side, because the one that doesn't automatically loses. Can you really trust the other mafia family not to shoot you?

[crAzerk]

p/s: is anyone else getting this double post issue where you click on submit and you get redirected to this page saying that you need to wait 30 seconds between posts only to find that you have apparently hit the submit button twice with the message already posted when clearly, I only hit submit once.

Yea I get that alot too. No idea what's the problem.

@mustapasta
And if what Benji says is true (that I was saved twice), you did a good job as Doctor then!
A big part of my win had to be attributed to luck - strategy can do alot for me, but I needed to get past the initial phase of 'oh let's random lynch / random mafia snipe this person' before I could get to 'play the game' proper.
Once I got Doctor-saved past these initial rounds, I just had to say the right things at the right time (and that vote switch at the end.. I've still no idea why I had 2 more voteswitching to help me win but they were part of it too) and let pikk0n shoot his mouth away to propel me to victory


And yea, don't kill me or pikk0n till later on in the game even if you suspect us of anything Keeps the game entertainment value alive!

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

And yea, don't kill me or pikk0n till later on in the game even if you suspect us of anything Keeps the game entertainment value alive!

Thanks. Now you just consigned us to a 1st night/day death.

Come to think of it, we have DeathsFang to take the first night's heat off us. Fingers crossed he doesn't have a killing role next round or I'm dead. LOL!

[nard]

Actually in all honesty I been switching votes throughout this round and I had miscalculated. I had wanted to kill zanderax outright. I was absolutely sure that pikkon was lovers with dtorr and I didn't want to lose a townie at this point.
I could also point at meatex reminding ppl a tie could be had but he himself wasn't switching. I'm not saying he's mafia but just pointing out that u need slightly more to go on.

I would say that others are perhaps stronger choices than me for a mafia. If I'm lynched then I'd probably be just a statistic in terms of "just another active poster who got lynched for being active"

[nard]

May I also point out that had I not made the vote switch we would still be wondering whos the next mafia we should b lynching. So I'm advocating creating another tie between zanderax n one more. Might I point out the fact that vote patterns had been mentioned, one person had survived a three way tie and had been kept under the radar by pikkon.

[Nobunaga]

Nard is suspicious lol.

[Benji]

The Rossellini Family have killed Zanderax. He is a member of the Tortellini Family.

Jackwong has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is an Informat.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[Benji]

Whats left?

1 Tortellini
1 Rossellini
1 Informat
3 Citizens

[Nobunaga]

Vote Nard.

[nard]

seriously... u need more to go on

[Nobunaga]

In order to win, civilians need to kill one mafia member today to stop the double kills at night. I thought Jackwong was a mafia because of his voting, but I have been proven wrong. This is why I’m voting Nard, because he is too inconsistent with everything he says, and I don’t buy his random train of thought that suddenly the thought that pikk0n and dtorr are lovers and switched votes yet again.

His story on how he miscalculated can make sense. However, when you think of it as a mafia point of view, if he was Rosellini, he votes for a chance to save pikk0n while eliminating a mafia, securing himself in a “safer” position. Everyone knew pikk0n was mafia anyway, so by killing another one or revealing another one, he looks better. If he was Tortellini, voting on his own person also keeps himself “safe”. I’m leaning more to him being Rosellini though.

Right now there’s:
1 Informant
1 Survivor
2 Mafia
2 Civilians

2 of these are lovers, which makes it a very delicate situation. The survivor is also in a strong position; he can make big plays because he can survive one night shot. We still have one informant alive, so as long as the informant stays alive through the night, he might be able to reveal some more information tomorrow.

[Meatex]

vote nobunaga
ummmm because of FaDe bias? :P

[nard]

@meatex: last thing we need now is another citizen death which means double mafia kill @ night. vote with caution...


first and foremost.
we all trust Benji so much that we overlooked that he miscounted the votes.
pikkon won the vote 4-3 but somehow a tie was announced.

secondly. Somehow this forum game has become "X is active, X has good analysis, lets vote X out".

thus, how does a mafia member win this game. by staying under the radar. Bakainu would have gotten this far had he not been one of those who had voted for crAzerk against pikkon.

previous Mafia games there were people who did vote analysis and found mafias simply by finding the pattern in the votes.

This is round 4 and players have evolved.

let us look at round 1 votes in a fairly straightforward lynch where everyone was voting MKP/SONATA for trying to cheat.


Meatex: Sonata
Nobunaga: Sonata
Skrawl: Deathsfang
Dtorr: Deathsfang
Rorschach: abstained/missed vote due to flight
nard: Sonata

the rest of the town voted mainly Sonata.

was skrawl and dtorr trying to stay under the radar or they just felt that their votes wouldnt have mattered anyway and thus voted for Deathsfang.


which brings us back to the fact that dtorr survived a 3 way tie.... with the other 2 having been proven as citizens.

the next round pikkon absolutely ignores dtorr's involvement in the tie and goes for crazerk.

could dtorr be in pikkon's family?

fast forward to pikkon's tie with crazerk.

pikkon had outed himself as a mafia this round.

meatex pointed out that a tie still could be had if one of pikkon's voters switched to crazerk. yet he didnt switch himself. not enough to go on if we wanna ask questions of meatex though.

again i will point out that dtorr voted crazerk.

there's just too much suspicion about dtorr to be ignored.

[EveRorschach]

Agreed, Nard. I forgot about the tie with Dtorr. I was going back through some posts and pikk0n posted this good one that I originally overlooked "Last night's investigation showed that dtorr was also innocent so I could have potentially made a huge blunder by killing off 2 mafia.". That was while pikk0n was pretending to be the informant. The fact pikk0n completely ignores any evidence for dtorr, coupled with what Nard just wrote gives me more reason to vote for him than anyone else trying to fly under the radar. So vote dtorr and hope to god he isn't a lover and have two votes incoming on me, haha.

[nard]

4 townies and 2 mafia. Until we are quite sure who they are we can't afford to lose a townie just yet. Best case scenario would be star crossed lovers tho. Wouldn't that be something

[nard]

Wow I totally missed pikkon saying that... In fact I just skimmed through his posts after he claimed to be informant

[mustapusta]

wait... Benji... did you just say zanderax kill the entire rossillini?

[ToRskrawL]

I'ma vote for Rorshach since Pikkon called him out and Pikkon is really accurate with who he votes for. He called out Pokerface and Zanderax being tortellini just because they were acting like buddies. and hey he was right. And I have the feeling Rorshach is just agreeing with nard just so it takes the heat off him and onto dtorr.

[DtorR]

1st round was a blind vote, you ever considered that possibility? During the Tie Have you ever considered that it might just been 3 townies on tie vote? I don't fancy been voted or getting shot by the mafia. Hence I am better off just chilling. Furthermore I vote on people I find a threat or that I dislike in the game. Since you annoyed me now and from the past round, I will vote you, nard, out of this game.

Voting Nard.

[nard]

Well we should not really spread our votes out... We're just tying the game up. At this point... A tie would lose us one citizen and we don't want to lose citizens to ties. Worst if we tie the votes with 2 townies...

[nard]

Now that's silly... I didn't last long enough in the last round to annoy u. And Ur finding me a threat for calling you out? If u r citizen and I vote for u.. We'll both end up losing. If u r mafia and I vote for u. I still end up losing. That's a win win situation for mafia right there.

[EveRorschach]

Nard hasn't even voted yet, how can that be my strategy? Your argument makes no sense as I cast the first stone, lol. If taking the spotlight off me was my aim I would have sided with meatex and voted for Nobunaga. Might I add pikk0n was also 100% certain about CrAzerk, and see how that turned out. Though, like I said in my post beforehand about lovers, perhaps it's you and dtorr.I'll also add, pikk0n was also mafia. We all know by now he likes to play mind games, and helping the citizens win was the last thing on his agenda, despite what he said. He planned for his family to win, and calling me out (with no evidence whatsoever) was part of that plan.

[nard]

If lovers are both citizens and one of the lovers die tonight. We're screwed

I would say rorschach would be less likely to be mafia. Correct me if I'm wrong... But he did vote pikkon...

[nard]

I hate how
I have to decide between choosing someone I'm sure of being mafia and lose the game and choosing someone who is a citizen and still lose the game.

[Nobunaga]

You could always choose yourself, because you're sure of yourself being mafia.

It will lose you the game though.

[Benji]

There are no Lovers in this game.

[Nobunaga]

Originally Posted by Benji

There are no Lovers in this game.

Interesting, but what about the sexual harassment panda?

[nard]

In that case I vote nobunaga and hope to god that the coinflip is in my favour

[Nobunaga]

There's no coinflip when one person is mafia and the other is a citizen. Which will mean I will be auto-killed and the citizens lose the game.

EDIT: I'd also like to call on Skrawl and Ror to make a decision and vote on the leading people, which is me and nard. There is no point in going for ties in this situation, because it is an auto-lose for the citizens. If a citizen gets paired with a mafia, they are dead. If the citizen gets paired with another citizen, citizens lose because of the night. There is one mafia in this 2-2 tie, he has to be killed in this round to extend the game, and I can assure you that I am not the mafia.

[EveRorschach]

It's hard because I don't believe either of you have shown mafia tendencies or been as suspicious as Dtorr has. Are we able to get summaries of why each person thinks Nob/Nard is mafia?

Edit: That's not to say I wont, obviously a draw is not what we need now, but I'll leave it to the last hour to change. Also guys, dtorr didn't even bother to reply to my statements about him being suspect. Something to take into account.

[DtorR]

Switching my vote to Rorschach

[EveRorschach]

Now he switches after I call him out about it. Also notice he STILL hasn't offered up a reason why pikk0n was protecting him the whole game. Why are we even still deciding this! I suggest both of you vote switch to dtorr, I am certain he is mafia. There is more evidence for him than anyone else, myself included.

[crAzerk]

There are no Lovers in this game.

Sorry just have to chip in here, I was laughing at the one page or so of discussion of lovers and thinking 'what ? why are there suddenly lovers? '



GL keep fighting both teams!

[nard]

vote switch dtorr

[DtorR]

Vote Switch nard

[nard]

Vote switch nobunaga

[nard]

Well rorschach I tried to save u! Reciprocate lol

[STarStriker]

how do u sign up

[EveRorschach]

For the record, I still think Dtorr is mafia (I know I've painted a huge X on my back for tonight), but a tie doesn't help the citizens to win this late in the round. Skrawl, if I was really mafia, why would I stick to my guns about dtorr up until the end, when I could have easily vote switched ages back? For the record I think both Nob and Nard are citizens, but will vote switch to Nobunaga purely to not cause a tie. If two other players vote switch to dtorr, I'll do the same.

EDIT: TO CrAzerk, I just assumed there were lovers as there were last game, and I saw none had died this round (obvious, now :P).

[crAzerk]

@Starstriker
The current round is still ongoing, you can wait for the next round to begin when a new thread will be made to sign up

[Nobunaga]

That's a very good point Ror, I haven't been keeping up with this thread as much as I had wanted to because I've been incredibly busy. I trust what you say more than nard, so I will vote switch to DtorR.

Whether this will lose us the game well, we'll see. If I'm dead next tonight, you know who killed me =)

[EveRorschach]

Switch vote to Dtorr. Nard, are you able to switch as well like you did this morning. Nob just changed from you, so you're safe from lynching (I still maintain that I don't think either of you are mafia) but it's still tied, which is bad for everyone.

[nard]

vote switch dtorr

[DtorR]

Ah gg wp to mafia then.

[Benji]

DtorR has been killed by the Citizens. He is a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for Nobunaga
2. Nobunaga - Voted for DtorR
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for Rorschach
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
14. DtorR - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
15. nard - Voted for DtorR
16. Rorschach - Voted for DtorR
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

3 Votes for DtorR
1 Vote for Nard
1 Vote for Nobunaga
1 Vote for Rorschach

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their Nighttime actions.

[Benji]

As some of you can tell, my updates are quite slow compared to how many I was doing in the first game, it is because I have quite a bit on at the moment (You will find out soon ).

To solve this, in Round 5 I am wondering if anyone would be keen to be an assistant (you can think of a cool title if you'd like :P ), basically keep the game running when I have not got the time.

Before you rush PM me, understand you won't be able to play in the round (obviously), and you must be completely unbias and never speak to anyone about who is who besides myself. For this reason, I am looking for someone who is a little older (No offense <18 year olds, but you're more likely to spill details to your friends :P )

PM me if you'd like to help (with age too!) ^_^

[Benji]

And as we head into the second last night of the game, we are presented with 3 scenarios (Assuming mafia don't miss the kill)!

1. The Mafia kill each other and the remaining 2 Citizens and Informat win!

2. One Mafia kills a Citizen, and one kills the other Mafia, leaving a daytime vote of 2 Citizen aligned players and a Mafia, where the Citizens have a chance to kill the last mafia to win, or they kill one of the Citizens and the mafia wins at nighttime by killing the other player

3. Both mafia kill a Citizen, in which case the remaining Citizen more or less chooses which Mafia wins the game by voting with him (to then die at nighttime). Alternatively the Mafia could team up and kill the Citizen, but then they kill each other at night and noone wins (Except Crazerk )

GL all!

[Nobunaga]

Isn't there still a Survivor left?

[Benji]

No survivor for this game

Not every role gets used in every game, there is a list of roles used in the game at the start of day 1.

[Benji]

Just to clarify what is left:

1 Tortellini
1 Rossellini
1 Informat
2 Citizens

Does the Informat have information that can help the Citizens win? Only he knows (and me lol!)

[EveRorschach]

Jesus Dtorr, for a citzen, you are the most mafia like I have ever seen anyone be (voting wise, no logical defense, lucky to survive a tie). I would have bet the house on him. I'm screwed tonight, unless they head hunt each other.

[crAzerk]

3. Both mafia kill a Citizen, in which case the remaining Citizen more or less chooses which Mafia wins the game by voting with him (to then die at nighttime). Alternatively the Mafia could team up and kill the Citizen, but then they kill each other at night and noone wins (Except Crazerk )

Seems like the best outcome imo. xD

As for the assistant thing, I wouldn't mind if you really needed an assistant, I would rather play though of course. Chances are, I may get killed really early so I can help out after that if you'd like (If you still don't have an assistant by then)

[pikk0n]

No survivor? So we can rest assured that the doc successfully blocked 2 mafia kills. Nice.

Benji, you forgot to include the chance of both mafia hitting the same citizen. That leaves an opportunity for either mafia family to win. If the citizens lynch each other (LOL!), then the nighttime hits will determine which family wins if they avoid hitting each other. In the event that the mafia hits each other, then the citizen takes the most unlikeliest of wins. If during the nightphase, BOTH mafia hits the same citizen, mafia's fate is determined by the toss of a coin during the dayphase AND finally if one mafia hits the citizen and the other hits the mafia, then well, one mafia family wins. If the citizens kill either one of the mafia during the daytime vote, then mafia wins instantly. The remaining member will kill one of the 2 citizens at night and during the next dayphase win by outvoting the citizen. Basically, in this scenario, the citizens HAVE to lynch each other to win. That's so cruel....

[crAzerk]

pikk0n i really love your posts and all but sometimes my eyes just glaze over when I see your wall of text. Paragraph/line break more!

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

pikk0n i really love your posts and all but sometimes my eyes just glaze over when I see your wall of text. Paragraph/line break more!

I'd paragraph it but I was referring to the same scenario. I'm not good with forum codings. Perhaps you can give me some hints.

[crAzerk]

When I say 'line breaks' I just mean pressing enter.

You do have a few posts where you format it pretty readably, then out of the blue comes some massive wall of text (especially those where you make edits after posting it) which has my eyes bleeding.

Ok, shall stop hogging the players' air time. gogo fight fight!

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

When I say 'line breaks' I just mean pressing enter.

You do have a few posts where you format it pretty readably, then out of the blue comes some massive wall of text (especially those where you make edits after posting it) which has my eyes bleeding.

Ok, shall stop hogging the players' air time. gogo fight fight!

Ahh... fairo. So the wall of text that I just posted was OK? I do type certain posts out on my phone. When I am away from my laptop for an extended period. So some of them do come out horrible. When editting, I tend to add too many things. I'd prefer to double post instead of editting but the mods might murder me for it.

[Next_rim]

Can't we just comission the first citizen to die to help run the game? The assistant then has to keep track of votes in-game and regularly make posts about vote count. I'd guess going through walls of text takes the most time. And you don't have to reveal who is who. All you have to do then is take assistant's list, throw in roles, and keep track of night kills (which is what, 3-4 pm's?).

[nard]

That'd work but the citizen might not even be active enough. In any case I had indicated my interest in helping out. I'm ok with not playing. And I guess I am active enough..

[Benji]

Skrawl has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He is a Citizen.

Meatex has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is a Citizen.

1. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
14. DtorR - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

1 Rossellini Family
1 Tortellini Family
1 Informat

It is now Daytime, players have 48 hours to submit their daytime votes.

[Benji]

At this point, the Informat cannot win and has 2 options. 1 is to side with one of the Mafia to help him win, or try and trick both mafia into killing you off, thus they kill each other at night and noone wins.

Mafia players don't know which of their opponant is Mafia and which is the Informat, and thus if they vote wrong, they can force a stalemate!
Should be an interesting day

[pikk0n]

LOL? Stalemate = Benji flips the coin. Trollololololol!!! Is that how you plan to resolve the stalemate, Benji?

[Benji]

No way, if both mafia are alive at night, they're killing each other :P

[pikk0n]

HAHA! Now THAT is just cruel. So only Crazerk wins. Oh yeah. now I remember that scenario. Should be a fun day today.

[crAzerk]

or... they all remain inactive and all get killed off by inactivity and I win. Hmm, sounds good.

[Nobunaga]

Clearly no one wants to cast the first vote.

[EveRorschach]

I feel so betrayed right now hahaha.

[DtorR]

Would actually be smart to not vote at all this round. Besides you only get killed off if you miss 2 rounds in a row.

[crAzerk]

what happens if noone votes? coin flip between the 3?

[EveRorschach]

So quick to call it CrAzerk, I was at the store looking for some strong lynchin' rope.
Vote Nard.


Edit:

[crAzerk]

haha sorry i'm just bored. waiting on next round

[Nobunaga]

Yes, I think this round should end as soon as possible. We all know who should be winning this round, because out of the three players left, only one has not played a terrible game, and that person is me.

Honestly, besides Crazerk, every other player has played an absolutely horrible game, especially the informants. Good job on throwing away your only chance of victory by being huge, selfish bads. Now the kicker is that there’s still one of these scum left in the game, that will determine who wins the game. Talk about a coinflip much? Way to ruin the game.

Being the only one who is entitled to win the game at this point, I’m casting my vote on Rorschach. Let’s be honest, I was the only one who participated in any discussion in this round, and actually got the kills that mattered. Did anyone else talk as much? I doubt it. The citizens sat back, and got themselves killed because they couldn’t figure out how to win the easiest game in the world, and because of some unlucky shots we’re now in a terrible situation where a citizen decides the fate of the game. Way to go guys. If this was Starcraft, you'd all be bronze league heroes.

To Rorschach, I’d like to say that you’ve played well, but I can’t. It’s not that you played terrible though; you played fine for an amateur, but it’s just that I played superior in every way. I hope you will be able to play better in the next round and get a win. Hopefully your conscience realises that it's time to give up.

Nard, although you played terrible and had extreme fails in the reading comprehension department, I think that you know full well that Rorschach has played a terrible mafia, and does not deserve to win. The person that should win is me. If you choose Rorschach, it will be the only good decision that you’ve made this entire game, so don’t let it go to waste. It’s only natural for the right person to come first, and I’d think that everyone here knows that the other winner should be me.

If anyone has taken offence to this, don't. It's not me being arrogant, it's just me stating the facts. It may come off as a rant, but I'd like to see everyone improve their play, rather than play single player mafia. For my first time playing this game, I'd like to say I'm already a pro at it because of how far I got, so by right I should be the winner.

Quick Comments

Zanderax:

Everyone hates a bragger

[pikk0n]

^^

ROFLMAO!!!! Says the guy who now is definitely the first one dead next round if the mafia reads this. Take it easy, Nobunaga.

Quick Comments

EveRorschach:

to be fair, it was probably the most fun thing to read this game though :)

[EveRorschach]

Rofl, wow. I'd hate to see you get cheesed over and over in-game SC2. Out of curiosity, what league are you Nob? Vote switch to Nobunaga purely because he sounds like a douche. Also, using the pretense"It's not me being arrogant" doesn't give you free range to then say arrogant things, hahaha.

[ETL.ViTaL]

Wow this is actually pretty cool! glhf bois :P

[nard]

tough decision!

vote rorschach

[Nobunaga]

vote switch to nard

[nard]

Originally Posted by Nobunaga

vote switch to nard

rorscach its in ur best interest to vote me out. @ least one person will end up winner.

[EveRorschach]

Vote switch to Nard then.

[Nobunaga]

vote switch to Rorschach because nard was being a good guy.

[EveRorschach]

Back to Nobunaga I vote!

[Nobunaga]

I would vote switch back but that just means this will go on forever until Benji posts.

[Benji]

Rorschach has been killed by the Citizens. He is a member of the Tortellini Family.


And just to make this faster...

Nobunaga has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He is the Informat.

1. Meatex - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
2. Nobunaga - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Informat)
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
14. DtorR - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
15. nard - (Rossellini Family) ***WINNER***
16. Rorschach- ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

Congrats to Nard and Crazerk who are the winners of round 4!

Round 5 will begin in a few days, if you want to help me out with round 5, PM me (with your age too). Thanks! ^_^

[EveRorschach]

Grats Nard ^___^

[nard]

thanks. Gee. i wanted to give u the win

[EveRorschach]

Haha, it's all good man I'm just happy that one of us won and not the one who had a mental breakdown at the end! You signing up for the next one?

[nard]

i offered to help run round 5. if benji picks someone else i'll play for sure.

[crAzerk]

Haha grats nard! Check out my new thread on 'should we have an MVP!'

[Nobunaga]

Haha, I wanted to see if anyone would vote for me based on how much of a douche I sounded. Luckily for nard he saw past the last game I was playing, so I gave him the win.

I guess I will post more later on when I have less to do.

[nard]

i saw that if u were really mafia u would've won the game just by voting for me. so i didnt fall for it @ all. Rorschach possibly did though. but he did not have the advantage of knowing that you could've won the game outright

[pikk0n]

Now if I may gloat and make myself the first target in round 5. It's also a swipe at bloody Amornthep for not killing the informant for me. THANKS!

So, I mistook crAzerk who's a joker and OBVIOUSLY wants to be seen as a mafia given the perfect chance. Thanks, pikk0n you noob.... I would thank pokerface and Zanderax for BOTH going after me first... Grr..... Picked pokerface, Zanderax, Rorshach and Nobunaga's role. Got them all correct. I take no credit for the killing of mustapusta because I had no clue he was the doc. I was a complete retard for not realising that from his post.

Last round (round 3), lynched crAzerk, Zanderax, the inactive mafia, Meatex and burned Lennx..... Though I did think that HDPhoenix was a mafia instead of Meatex based on his odd voting patterns. The joker from last round was exposed thanks to the informant so no credit to me since i killed the informant by voting for him....

pikk0n to date: lynched/picked 8 mafia members correctly, 1 informant, mistook a joker for a mafia and most importantly like I claimed, lynches ZERO citizens/townies! Please let this record continue.....

R.I.P pikk0n in mafia round 5. First to die for sure now.