[Next_rim]

The problem is that all the active players get killed early, and all the passive players slowly finish the game. What saddens me is that few passive players are actually silent because it's their strategy (which is fine). Most just don't commit to the game enough, and are lazy or busy to offer their insight into the tame.

I would guess that's the problem with all online mafia games. IRL, when yall drunk with friends, you can't really quit unless you pass out (that happened to me last time we played mafia at a party olololol).

[pikk0n]

Couldn't agree more, Next_rim. Well, I have to say that I have created the world record for the longest total posts in this mafia round. Time to compile all of them and either make a book or a youtube parody. I can imagine this 'The struggles of pikk0n'. Round 4 mafia on sc2sea.com...... Featuring.....

[Nobunaga]

I've got to say there's a pretty interesting dynamic going on here.

There's 2 Tortellini members, 1 who is confirmed (Zanderax) and one unknown. The last Rosellini member is unknown.

Rosellini can win the game if he kills Zanderax, causing the next round to have a random lynch. Rosellini can then play it safe, and kill people tactically when leads are found. Likewise, Tortellini has a good chance of winning because one of their members is unknown, and if they kill the right person they eliminate the chance of random kills, while keeping their last player's identity hidden.

I also think Nard is a mafia. His vote switch from DtorR to Zanderax at the last round made the tie between pikk0n and Zanderax. What does this achieve? pikk0n was way overdue to be dead. By tying the last vote, he is able to lynch a completely innocent player becuase pikk0n has better tiebreakers, or find out if Zanderax is really a mafia or not. It was a great play and he is probably the last Rosellini member. However, if he's a Tortellini member, mind blown indeed.

It now all comes down to which mafia side does not shoot the other side, because the one that doesn't automatically loses. Can you really trust the other mafia family not to shoot you?

[crAzerk]

p/s: is anyone else getting this double post issue where you click on submit and you get redirected to this page saying that you need to wait 30 seconds between posts only to find that you have apparently hit the submit button twice with the message already posted when clearly, I only hit submit once.

Yea I get that alot too. No idea what's the problem.

@mustapasta
And if what Benji says is true (that I was saved twice), you did a good job as Doctor then!
A big part of my win had to be attributed to luck - strategy can do alot for me, but I needed to get past the initial phase of 'oh let's random lynch / random mafia snipe this person' before I could get to 'play the game' proper.
Once I got Doctor-saved past these initial rounds, I just had to say the right things at the right time (and that vote switch at the end.. I've still no idea why I had 2 more voteswitching to help me win but they were part of it too) and let pikk0n shoot his mouth away to propel me to victory


And yea, don't kill me or pikk0n till later on in the game even if you suspect us of anything Keeps the game entertainment value alive!

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

And yea, don't kill me or pikk0n till later on in the game even if you suspect us of anything Keeps the game entertainment value alive!

Thanks. Now you just consigned us to a 1st night/day death.

Come to think of it, we have DeathsFang to take the first night's heat off us. Fingers crossed he doesn't have a killing role next round or I'm dead. LOL!

[nard]

Actually in all honesty I been switching votes throughout this round and I had miscalculated. I had wanted to kill zanderax outright. I was absolutely sure that pikkon was lovers with dtorr and I didn't want to lose a townie at this point.
I could also point at meatex reminding ppl a tie could be had but he himself wasn't switching. I'm not saying he's mafia but just pointing out that u need slightly more to go on.

I would say that others are perhaps stronger choices than me for a mafia. If I'm lynched then I'd probably be just a statistic in terms of "just another active poster who got lynched for being active"

[nard]

May I also point out that had I not made the vote switch we would still be wondering whos the next mafia we should b lynching. So I'm advocating creating another tie between zanderax n one more. Might I point out the fact that vote patterns had been mentioned, one person had survived a three way tie and had been kept under the radar by pikkon.

[Nobunaga]

Nard is suspicious lol.

[Benji]

The Rossellini Family have killed Zanderax. He is a member of the Tortellini Family.

Jackwong has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He is an Informat.

1. Meatex
2. Nobunaga
3. crAzerk - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Joker) ***WINNER***
4. BakaInu - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Joker (Rossellini Family)
5. LennX - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Professional (Citizen)
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
8. Paroxysm - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Vigilante)
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Doctor)
13. Zanderax - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
14. DtorR
15. nard
16. Rorschach
17. pikk0n - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Rossellini Family)
18. jackwong - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
19. Amornthep - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Professional)
20. Zergtastic - ***DEAD*** Killed by Inactivity (Citizen)
21. Next_rim - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their Daytime votes.

[Benji]

Whats left?

1 Tortellini
1 Rossellini
1 Informat
3 Citizens

[Nobunaga]

Vote Nard.

[nard]

seriously... u need more to go on

[Nobunaga]

In order to win, civilians need to kill one mafia member today to stop the double kills at night. I thought Jackwong was a mafia because of his voting, but I have been proven wrong. This is why I’m voting Nard, because he is too inconsistent with everything he says, and I don’t buy his random train of thought that suddenly the thought that pikk0n and dtorr are lovers and switched votes yet again.

His story on how he miscalculated can make sense. However, when you think of it as a mafia point of view, if he was Rosellini, he votes for a chance to save pikk0n while eliminating a mafia, securing himself in a “safer” position. Everyone knew pikk0n was mafia anyway, so by killing another one or revealing another one, he looks better. If he was Tortellini, voting on his own person also keeps himself “safe”. I’m leaning more to him being Rosellini though.

Right now there’s:
1 Informant
1 Survivor
2 Mafia
2 Civilians

2 of these are lovers, which makes it a very delicate situation. The survivor is also in a strong position; he can make big plays because he can survive one night shot. We still have one informant alive, so as long as the informant stays alive through the night, he might be able to reveal some more information tomorrow.

[Meatex]

vote nobunaga
ummmm because of FaDe bias? :P

[nard]

@meatex: last thing we need now is another citizen death which means double mafia kill @ night. vote with caution...


first and foremost.
we all trust Benji so much that we overlooked that he miscounted the votes.
pikkon won the vote 4-3 but somehow a tie was announced.

secondly. Somehow this forum game has become "X is active, X has good analysis, lets vote X out".

thus, how does a mafia member win this game. by staying under the radar. Bakainu would have gotten this far had he not been one of those who had voted for crAzerk against pikkon.

previous Mafia games there were people who did vote analysis and found mafias simply by finding the pattern in the votes.

This is round 4 and players have evolved.

let us look at round 1 votes in a fairly straightforward lynch where everyone was voting MKP/SONATA for trying to cheat.


Meatex: Sonata
Nobunaga: Sonata
Skrawl: Deathsfang
Dtorr: Deathsfang
Rorschach: abstained/missed vote due to flight
nard: Sonata

the rest of the town voted mainly Sonata.

was skrawl and dtorr trying to stay under the radar or they just felt that their votes wouldnt have mattered anyway and thus voted for Deathsfang.


which brings us back to the fact that dtorr survived a 3 way tie.... with the other 2 having been proven as citizens.

the next round pikkon absolutely ignores dtorr's involvement in the tie and goes for crazerk.

could dtorr be in pikkon's family?

fast forward to pikkon's tie with crazerk.

pikkon had outed himself as a mafia this round.

meatex pointed out that a tie still could be had if one of pikkon's voters switched to crazerk. yet he didnt switch himself. not enough to go on if we wanna ask questions of meatex though.

again i will point out that dtorr voted crazerk.

there's just too much suspicion about dtorr to be ignored.

[EveRorschach]

Agreed, Nard. I forgot about the tie with Dtorr. I was going back through some posts and pikk0n posted this good one that I originally overlooked "Last night's investigation showed that dtorr was also innocent so I could have potentially made a huge blunder by killing off 2 mafia.". That was while pikk0n was pretending to be the informant. The fact pikk0n completely ignores any evidence for dtorr, coupled with what Nard just wrote gives me more reason to vote for him than anyone else trying to fly under the radar. So vote dtorr and hope to god he isn't a lover and have two votes incoming on me, haha.

[nard]

4 townies and 2 mafia. Until we are quite sure who they are we can't afford to lose a townie just yet. Best case scenario would be star crossed lovers tho. Wouldn't that be something

[nard]

Wow I totally missed pikkon saying that... In fact I just skimmed through his posts after he claimed to be informant

[mustapusta]

wait... Benji... did you just say zanderax kill the entire rossillini?

[ToRskrawL]

I'ma vote for Rorshach since Pikkon called him out and Pikkon is really accurate with who he votes for. He called out Pokerface and Zanderax being tortellini just because they were acting like buddies. and hey he was right. And I have the feeling Rorshach is just agreeing with nard just so it takes the heat off him and onto dtorr.