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**HDPhoenix** · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 1:56 PM

Nice even spread! Exactly what we need to start drawing conclusions =) At least everyone isn't hopping on a single bandwagon. Historically, its ALWAYS been a citizen lynch when that happens, for obvious reasons

Paroxysm · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 2:42 PM

vote for Lennx randomly, hoping for a tie

mustapusta · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 3:19 PM

voting DtorR

LennX · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 7:49 PM

So paroxysm so fast trying to save someone? That means you should be mafia with someone on 2 votes maybe meatex?. Such a "random" vote for me.

nard · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 8:21 PM

or hes a joker.

LennX · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 8:43 PM

And nard who votes for me too is also defending paroxysm. So my death will show who 2 mafia were out of 6. This should be good.

pikk0n · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 9:00 PM

Guys, a draw with 3 or 4 people wouldn't work. Ideally, you want a draw with just 2 people. If we're lucky, we can get double mafias but with 3 or 4 people means that one is a citizen and if that's the case, the citizen dies instantly..... Just to point out a flaw with forcing a draw with too many people. Choose 2 rather than trying to make a nice little distribution thus ensuring the death of another citizen.

Paroxysm · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 9:56 PM

Lol, you think i tried to get a draw because i'm mafia. I tried to force a draw so that there are two people who are revealed as either mafia, or perhaps not mafia. Its smarter than just leaving us with one death and no idea of whats going on. We have more to go on if two people are definitely not or definitely defined as mafia. you'll see.

Satu · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 10:31 PM

I'll vote Skrawl because then I don't disturb the interesting decisions I'm seeing with draws etc... I want some solid information here, that I didn't participate in myself, as that could cause further bandwagonning, and it'd reveal much less.

Also, what does a draw actually do? Not a loaded question, just curious.

Benji · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 10:46 PM

1. Meatex - Voted for Lennx
2. Nobunaga - Voted for Amornthep
3. crAzerk
4. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
5. LennX - Voted for Meatex
6. HDPhoenix - Voted for Amornthep
7. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Lennx
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for jackwong
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - Voted for DtorR
13. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for Lennx
16. Rorschach - Voted for Amornthep
17. pikk0n - Voted for nard
18. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
19. Amornthep - Voted for Meatex
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Scrawl
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface

3 Votes for Amornthep
3 Votes for Lennx
2 Votes for HDPhoenix
2 Votes for Meatex
2 Votes for Next_rim
1 Vote for jackwong
1 Vote for Crazerk
1 Vote for nard
1 Vote for pokerface
1 Vote for DtorR
1 Vote for Scrawl

LennX · Tue, 2nd-Aug-2011, 10:55 PM

And if both are citizens, 2 citizens get killed. One by tie breaker, one by lynching. Go go mafia!

Amornthep · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 4:54 PM

How unfortunate. Are you allowed to change votes?

Next_rim · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 5:01 PM

Yes, you can switch votes, make sure you bold and capitalize it though, so Benji doesn't miss it.

Amornthep · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 5:11 PM

Switching my vote to HDPhoenix

LennX · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 5:16 PM

Switching my vote to HDPhoenix too

crAzerk · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 5:54 PM

Oh woops I'm last to vote! Just came back from a camp.

Well a tie just creates uncertainty actually, unless you're extremely lucky and hit two Mafia or something like that.

Those who have played with me in the past few rounds will know that I've never favored ties, even more so when in this early stage it's unlikely you'll hit double Mafia. Thus I will not try to force one now, and instead put it on someone neutral

I vote for Nobunaga (The person above me, as seems to be the trend

)

EDIT: Ok I just scrolled up to properly read the posts and I have to add on. (don't worry Benji, no vote change)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lennx

And if both are citizens, 2 citizens get killed. One by tie breaker, one by lynching. Go go mafia!

What on earth are you talking about? If two citizens are in a tiebreaker, only one of them dies. Not both.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

I tried to force a draw so that there are two people who are revealed as either mafia, or perhaps not mafia.

This just bungles my mind. Does it really help at all to have someone revealed as 'perhaps not mafia'??

A tie just causes uncertainty. Let me illustrate.
Let's say A and B are tied. A dies and is revealed to be a citizen.
Two possible cases. B is a Mafia, thus he survived the tiebreaker and so A died.
Or, B just survived the tiebreaker but is a citizen as well.
(I can't remember the other tiebreaker situations with other roles)
Now B is 'perhaps a Mafia' AS WELL AS 'perhaps not a Mafia'. You are nowhere further than from where you started.

If anything, a tie probably causes another innocent lynch if you hit two non-Mafia (Since suspicion will be on the guy who survives. This could be a good reason for Mafia to favor ties, since it draws attention away from themselves.)

Quote:

We have more to go on if two people are definitely not or definitely defined as mafia

A ties does not do this. As I've said before, a tie only accomplishes something if you hit double Mafia.

The Mafia will probably target me now for talking to much, so I hope Doctor can save me this night =X

Benji · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 6:00 PM

HDPhoenix has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.

1. Meatex - Voted for Lennx
2. Nobunaga - Voted for HDPhoenix
3. crAzerk - Voted for Nobunaga
4. BakaInu - Voted for HDPhoenix
5. LennX - Voted for HDPhoenix
6. HDPhoenix - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
7. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
8. Paroxysm - Voted for Lennx
9. Deathsfang - ***DEAD*** Killed by Both Families (Arsonist)
10. Skrawl - Voted for jackwong
11. SONATA - ***DEAD*** Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
12. mustapusta - Voted for DtorR
13. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
14. DtorR - Voted for Crazerk
15. nard - Voted for Lennx
16. Rorschach - Voted for Amornthep
17. pikk0n - Voted for nard
18. jackwong - Voted for HDPhoenix
19. Amornthep - Voted for Meatex
20. Zergtastic - Voted for Scrawl
21. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface

It is now Nighttime, players have 24 hours to submit their nighttime actions.

LennX · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crAzerk

What on earth are you talking about? If two citizens are in a tiebreaker, only one of them dies. Not both.

Wow..... One die by tie breaker and one die by the citizen lynch the next day. There is no way the citizen who survive the tiebreaker will survive the lynch the following day. Maybe I need to explain it word by word next time to make it clearly for everyone to understand.

Anyway remember what I said about nard and paroxysm. Their voting are a bit suspicious.

Paroxysm · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 6:56 PM

What's more suspicious is the voting of you and amornthep at the end of the round to HDPhoenix, killing him and saving yourself. Something interesting there I think..

LennX · Wed, 3rd-Aug-2011, 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

What's more suspicious is the voting of you and amornthep at the end of the round to HDPhoenix, killing him and saving yourself. Something interesting there I think..

It was either phoenix or me. Both of us are non-mafia. I rather take a 100% chance to save myself then leaving it to the tiebreakers 50/50 and 100% dieing on the next day.

I find you and nard defending your votes on me more suspicious. Maybe it's time to draw out my gun/paper tonight. Hopes Benji reads my PM fast.