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NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:50 PM

Introduction

A little history regarding Chobo is the well known fact that he has come out of absolutely nowhere to have a very impressive win rate on SEA with a very unique playstyle. Despite this, chobo has continually failed to represent in specifically LAN environments(losing to masters players at LAN) and online tournaments. Furthermore he even denied offers to join team Carnage(stating he doesn't have the time for a pro team).
The fact that he can be a top tier player capable of defeating the best of the best in both our scene and the NA ladder from being gold 3 months ago is fairly self explanatory imo.

Altogether this leads to players becoming suspicious about his playstyle and even for many to assume he hacks.

+ [Comments from Strafe during a ladder game with Chobo] +

+ [Comments From Tgun in Skype post MC] +

+ [Comments from Jazbas from the previous thread] +

I show these merely to point out the fact that people were already suspicious of his play.

What happens next is very surprising to most... Chobo clean sweeps a field comprising of Enderr, Targa, Yang, Mafia in what can be considered a very one-sided manner.
This is personally what made me look into this situation and made me so convinced that things just didn't add up with this guy and that we had to get to the end of it!

The Path to the Truth
So the path begins when Nirvana comes to me mentioning the fact that i'm looking at the wrong path... that Chobo may actually be having people smurfing on his account.

Exhibit 1

+ Show +

So now the case widens... Chobo may not even be playing on these accounts at all. How can we prove this?

Well after some searching around we have fairly damning evidence:

Chobo's many Hotkeys setups

Hotkey Setup 1 (BIG THANKS TO MAFIA FOR SHOWING ME THIS VIDEO WHICH LEAD TO THIS)
http://www.twitch.tv/hybridslipper/b/306878207
1-4 Units
5: All Production Facilities
6: Orbital commands
7: Engineering Bay
These hotkeys remain consistent throughout both games in this VOD, big thanks to Navi for having this up!
http://imgur.com/Pdcjm

Hotkey Setup 2
http://www.twitch.tv/asgchobo/b/308023407

1-3: Units
4: Baracks Production
5: Orbital Commands
6: Starport production
This is apparently footage of Chobo streaming
http://imgur.com/XMCTd

Hotkey Setup 3
1. Orbital Commands
2. Expansion
3. Production Facilities
4. Units
http://imgur.com/rGuWG
This is the hotkey setup from the account when it was named Yamama
http://drop.sc/191955

Hotkey Setup 4
1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
7. Expansion 3
8. Expansion 2
9. Expansion 1
0. Oribtal Command
http://imgur.com/NcCCe
http://drop.sc/193167

Most recent hotkey setup found for AsgChobo.

Now i want to focus specifically on hotkey setup number 4 at the moment -remember, there is 4 different hotkey setups all apparently Chobo's- as due to my detective work i have found out who this player actually corresponds to.

You may be wondering to yourself: "how on earth did he find another player who's hotkeys these correspond to?" and lucky for you im going to show you!

To be honest this was a bit of a Hail Mary. Upon looking at www.twitch.tv/asgchobo i noticed something. He was following someones stream....
This person can be seen here http://imgur.com/3Scgk

Now i'm thinking to myself... why on earth would he follow such an obscure player... For those who may not know vvvseohyeon aka lofseohyeon is a high rated Korean GM player who has very little interaction with our community but has laddered on SEA and NA.

So i throw that Hail Mary and check out one of my replays vs VVVSeohyeonfrom NA ladder and notice something very interesting!

Lets just take a look at his hotkeys shall we?
http://i.imgur.com/dgvme.jpg
http://drop.sc/193166

1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
0. Oribtal Command

If you're still skeptical i would love for you to take a look at these replays and compare the initial 4 minutes of game time to compare the habit and tendency for the way that seohyeon rotates through his hotkeys.... for example at the beginning of the game he sets CC to 1-4 and 0, then continues to rotate the 1-4 hotkeys.

Sc2gears Analysis

This picture details 3 games of VVVseohyeon and his standard hotkey graph
http://imgur.com/dsnOl

This picture details 3 games of AsgChobo and his standard hotkey graph compaerd to vvvseohyeons from the previous image

http://imgur.com/DiOQg

I simply grabbed random replays for this test and found it to be pretty dam accurate...

I would like to make the claim that it was seohyeon playing on Chobo's account on Sunday in the masters cup.

OK YOU STILL WANT MORE PROOF?

http://challonge.com/mc15 VVVseohyeon plays in this masters cup, Chobo does not ( THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL MASTERS CUP)

http://challonge.com/mc16
http://challonge.com/mc17

Chobo plays in these 2 cups that are SEA only... Worth thinking about. These are the only masters cups that these 2 players play in.

More?

Chobo and Seohyeon both love a good 2 racks... One thing i noticed both these players do where they both already have the exact same hotkey setup is that they actually both hotkey the 2 baracks seperately!

Heres some more exhibits...

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=76m0s An example of his proxy 2 racks and bunker wallin as exhibited vs enderr in the masters cup

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=83m0s and another!

and a replay pack of chobo's 2 rackses

http://www.mediafire.com/?8c54p4t5spp9q03

Too similar to dispute.

Mafia wanted me to just keep it simple so heres 2 examples of 2 racks in which the hotkeys follow the exact same path

http://drop.sc/193171
http://drop.sc/193172

Conclusion

I think its finally safe to say that AsgChobo has not been honest with us and thus everything he has said to us so far has to be treated with a grain of salt.

lets take a trip down memory lane and have a look at some of the bullshit he has tried to feed us...

starting with my personal favourite

AsgChobo: "I dont have anything to hide"

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Lastly i want to take a look at Chobo's path up until this point and my interpretation of it.
Chobo starts out with some harmless portrait farming in season 2(indicated by http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=753 yet hilariously denied by chobo). He then provides or pays multiple people to smurf on his account for him to achieve significantly high win ratios and rankings on the SEA ladder. As his confidence grows so is his willingess to risk it all. this is simply my opinion in regards to the hacks as i still find there were so many signifcant signs of hacking.

I want to end on this note that i feel most of us would share... (thanks to NvPinder for the video)

You Tube

Quick Comments

	iM MaFia:
	syfMiley:	hardy evidence
	TAEdgE:
	TAminimat:
	NvJazBas:	gg. ******* disgusting
	Baldie:
	Pox:
	[TA]LoSt:	Seeya mate..
	Cyanide:	looks pretty damning imo
	Maynarde:	Amazing detective work lol
	Insom:
	FvRphoneheha:	Holy shit
	souljah:	good detective work hard-on boys =)
	zenabi:	This the type of stuff that was needed to be brought forward. Well done, mr holmes
	Eddie:
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	Rossi you rule
	iMSystem:	This babe needs a Pizza for all his hard work!
	Zepph:
	TABiggun:	***** got fucked
	mGGDaedalus:
	Shieldz:	OP
	inFeZa:	You deserve credit for this work
	TCPLemminks:	for the effort
	syfPhoenix:	bye bye
	deL:	these gave me raging clues
	ToR.Arnor:	good work
	TAriiChard:
	Neoneoz:	detective rossi !
	mOOnGLaDe:
	BearPack:
	Another:	thread of the year, well done dude
	iVnStinger:
	xGKingdelete:
	Chappo:
	Makuly:
	crAzerk:	hardyboyz
	Nemo:	Impressive work Rossi ! Your efforts unraveled the truth
	x5.Revenant:	Have all my rep and babies!
	nGenLight:	almost forgot
	aLtNinja:	TOO GOOD
	nirvAnA:
	LGShaft:
	TAhackdZ:	I have a raging clue right about now!
	mGMUSE:	i liek entourage
	asdfSchnitzel:	Holy crap the rep list is long! o.0
	neKo:

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:52 PM

hey I just caught you and you denied it, but you were smurfing so own up maybe?

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	and all the hardy boys, try to chaaaaaseeeeeeee me
	ToR.Arnor:	Tim, I <3 you but i HATE that song :(
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	LOL omg hahahah
	Maynarde:	+1 for detective skills
	syfChadMann:	Hey you just posted, and arnor negg'd you - but here's some rep - you deserved it
	iMSystem:
	mGGAequitas:	LOL
	Zepph:	COUNTERNEG
	TABiggun:	:)
	sRDante:
	neKo:
	ROOTPetraeus:	you thought he was maphacking
	mGMUSE:	gay song

ikki · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:56 PM

Rossi to join the hardy boys.

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syfChadMann:

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:57 PM

Will be posting this incident in PlayXP site. vVvSeohyeon also deserves to get punished in some way or at least to get his reputation down to the drain.

I'll be suprised to see ANYONE argue back at Rossi.

Also note that, he qualified for SEASL beating Glade on hes way. Pretty sure it wasn't chobo himself beating him.

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	seohyeon - the one korean SPR hates. god he is a bm cheesy bastard!
	Shieldz:	^ lol
	MooZfY:	i like koreans

NvPinder · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:58 PM

You should've stuck to maphacking, we could've never 100% proved it and you would've "technically" got away with it. Too bad you apparently still couldn't win doing that so you went ahead and got a smurf to play tournaments for you.

Never show your face in this community again you absolute filthy cheater.

ROOT`iaguz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:00 PM

Yea I can't think of anything reasonable to say in Chobo's defence here. He's been done.

**BaKaiNu** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:01 PM

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

Edit: I did read it, and this is coming from the fact that you guys are accusing him of hacking, and all I see from rossi's post is that his smurfing. So unless you guys are telling me that there is definite proof that his hacking from rossi's post, i'm not taking back my words.

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	"However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf" <--- Really?
	Uglymutt:	At least let Chobo comment first
	souljah:	just to counter-rep =) there are no absolutes, only the SIth deal in absolutes =)
	Xavi:	I'm gonna have to go with sherlock holmes on this one.
	iMSystem:	How does that not prove it? You serious?
	syfMiley:	it's all there man
	inFeZa:	no
	dippa:	you want a banana mate?
	deL:	You will never prove it 100% unless the hacker is a moron, you need to draw a line
	neKo:	Did you read it ?
	ToRSpartaz:	Im with Souljah on this one, siths deal in absolutes (But some points are fair call.)
	EveMassacrisM:	Yea having identical hotkey setup with another pro he was following isnt conclusive at all
	TADivinity:	Seriously? How much more do you really need?

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

I don't think they are claiming that he is a hacker with this post.
Rossi is stating that he smurfed - and I think it is 100% a correct accusation, not hacking - we are still unsure of that.
HOWEVER, Smurfing like this is cheating.. and cheats don't deserve to be part of this community.

gg - good job Rossi and Co..

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Zepph:

This.

NvPinder · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

I understand you enjoy banning people but baiting people using posts like this is EXTREMELY unethical.

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	LOL
	ROOT`iaguz:	huh? That's a pretty reasonable post lol
	Snx.FigJig:	nup
	nirvAnA:	exactly what iaguz said
	deL:	Hint: pinder jokes a lot

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

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	TAEdgE:
	HuT:	he's so adorable.
	[TA]LoSt:
	iMSystem:
	NvPinder:	I'm going to uprep this instead of downvote the other one.
	iM MaFia:
	inFeZa:	귀여워 :)
	Zepph:	Also this.
	TABiggun:
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	dippa:	you deserve a man-hug
	Neoneoz:
	iM tgun:	PERFECT.
	TADivinity:	Best thread post on this website. Ever.
	SmirkToT:

jayaiwhy · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:09 PM

Possibility of Smurfing

Thirdly, not many people know this, but someone PMed me about him "paying people to level up his accounts" and that the real chobo was only a diamond skill level player. I thought this was worth an investigation, so unknown to him, i tested this out last night, where I suddenly asked Chobo on skype to get on battle.net and instantly join a channel in bnet. After being brief about the instant joining of channels he did this in 5 seconds. This was to ensure the same chobo i was talking to on skype was the same one i was going to play. I then played a game with him with Rossi watching. I also asked him a personal question in that game which he answered fine. He was clearly top gm level, with the same exact hotkeys. What is the point of all this? This largely eliminates the smurfing possibility which i suspected from someone informing me + the fact he was really quiet in his ladder games whenever I played him (like a different person). This also showed he was being co-operative and wants to clear his name, which brings me to my final point where he provides more evidence.

-Nirvana

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Uglymutt:

NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayaiwhy

Possibility of Smurfing

Thirdly, not many people know this, but someone PMed me about him "paying people to level up his accounts" and that the real chobo was only a diamond skill level player. I thought this was worth an investigation, so unknown to him, i tested this out last night, where I suddenly asked Chobo on skype to get on battle.net and instantly join a channel in bnet. After being brief about the instant joining of channels he did this in 5 seconds. This was to ensure the same chobo i was talking to on skype was the same one i was going to play. I then played a game with him with Rossi watching. I also asked him a personal question in that game which he answered fine. He was clearly top gm level, with the same exact hotkeys. What is the point of all this? This largely eliminates the smurfing possibility which i suspected from someone informing me + the fact he was really quiet in his ladder games whenever I played him (like a different person). This also showed he was being co-operative and wants to clear his name, which brings me to my final point where he provides more evidence.

-Nirvana

Hopefully nirvana doesnt mind me linking this.... Note the excuses and the fact that he fails the test initially...

http://drop.sc/193175 (responses to nirvanas question is delayed and its as if he isnt even sure... Also Nirvana asks for a macro game and its as if Chobo doesnt know what that is? goes for a 2 racks rush with 3 scvs....)

Hardly Conclusive evidence

+ [Skype chat between nirvana and Chobo] +

People are also forgetting the 2 other completely different hotkey setups i mean really....

Sedz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:10 PM

CHobo gets coached by seohyeon/another korean pro, so it's not too hard to see how they could have similar hotkey setups and playstyles.

Other than that, this can be easily figured out, corner him when he's online and ask him for games, match up hotkeys and skill. Simple?

EDIT: It looks like Nirvana has already done this.

Quick Comments

	cR.spider8]:	Youre a moonstar mate.
	inFeZa:	one does not simply just switch to a new hotkey setup
	TABiggun:	seo is a broodwar pro who does really specific switches in his hotkey setup. It's clearly him playing on chobos account
	deL:	Sedz this isn't helping your case! Think before your reply if you want to help your teammate!
	neKo:	My name is Sedz, I am the moonstar
	Zealo:	ummm how does this get neg repped? :S

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedz

CHobo gets coached by seohyeon/another korean pro, so it's not too hard to see how they could have similar hotkey setups and playstyles.

Other than that, this can be easily figured out, corner him when he's online and ask him for games, match up hotkeys and skill. Simple?

EDIT: It looks like Nirvana has already done this.

My reply to you sedz, watch these replays, simple?

http://drop.sc/193171
http://drop.sc/193172

nuff said gg

junitor · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedz

CHobo gets coached by seohyeon/another korean pro, so it's not too hard to see how they could have similar hotkey setups and playstyles.

Other than that, this can be easily figured out, corner him when he's online and ask him for games, match up hotkeys and skill. Simple?

EDIT: It looks like Nirvana has already done this.

what is a moonstar?

Quick Comments

	TACeeSerps:	LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
	souljah:	you sure you quoted the correct post?
	neKo:	It's you!
	syfMiley:	There there buddy, it's okay.
	FvRphoneheha:	What just happened? Laughing so hard haha
	Synizta:	i think he may've meant to quote the rep comments on that post?
	nirvAnA:	yea i think so synizta haha!!

junitor · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:28 PM

sorry double post

**iMSystem** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:10 PM

There is only 1 solution to all this.

Chobo shall get a fresh new account, and stream himself playing it and getting back to GM. Webcam is a must!

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	Or he could just **** off..
	mGGAequitas:	yep, no need for a new account though
	nirvAnA:

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:11 PM

Wtf at few people still on chobos side

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	UHF:	It's not about being on 'sides' - it's being 100% thorough
	[TA]LoSt:	Counter-rep
	deL:	counter-rep + jazbas so handsome
	TAriiChard:
	Neoneoz:
	JoFritzMD:	I don't even particularly like this post, I just feel an urge to give him all my rep :S

syfMiley · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:12 PM

YOU WERE A TEMPLAR, CHOBO!
How could you succumb to this coven?!

Quick Comments

	iMSystem:	I bleed?
	Dox:	Look, just over there! I never imagined such a creature.
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	i just laughed so ******* hard at this mileys
	TABottles:	lol
	mOOnGLaDe:
	Asrathiel:	Bwahahahahaha!

mGGDaedalus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Interested to hear what (if anything) chobo has to say in response to this but it looks pretty conclusive to me.

TACosmic · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:16 PM

inb4 it was his 11/10 korean gm girlfriend playing and not him

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	TAminimat:
	deL:	11/10 stands for his rax build times

**iMSystem** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:16 PM

Wait, **** this shit. Impromtu Podcast show tomorrow, we go hard out no ******* fluff and call this guy on the show and get the truth!

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	TAminimat:	djsystem!
	nirvAnA:	THIS RIGHT HERE!
	syfPhoenix:

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by System

Wait, **** this shit. Impromtu Podcast show tomorrow, we go hard out no ******* fluff and call this guy on the show and get the truth!

I can see the headline now:

EXCLUSIVE LIVE WITH SYSTEM - THE CHEAT REVEALD - System talks with Papa Smurf and the 11/10 smurfettes

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VoxMSI.Rogue:

iM SundeR · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:17 PM

Some people have to realise that players like Mafia and Rossi are putting their own reputations on the line in investigating this so much. It's very confusing to see so many people automatically defending some ridiculous, egotistical chump who has had barely any interaction with this community instead of the people who have been around in this scene for a very, very long time.

What the hell guys?

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	NvJazBas:
	iM MaFia:	some sense in the world finally
	Snx.FigJig:	they must show some disciprine
	TABiggun:
	nGenLight:	The possbility of a "false lynch" can be real scary you know, theres no problem listening to different perspective
	deL:	SundeR brings the ThundeR
	TAriiChard:	^ what mafia said
	ninja brett:
	x5.Revenant:	BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Peleus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SundeR

Some people have to realise that players like Mafia and Rossi are putting their own reputations on the line in investigating this so much. It's very confusing to see so many people automatically defending some ridiculous, egotistical chump who has had barely any interaction with this community instead of the people who have been around in this scene for a very, very long time.

What the hell guys?

I disagree with saying why the hell are people disagreeing with Mafia or Rossi, in fact I urge everyone to make up their own mind based of what they are saying, rather than who is saying it.

After all that though, this evidence is pretty damning.

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iM SundeR:

of course - but you could say that mafia and rossi have much more to lose than chobo, its a factor

**Dox** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:24 PM

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	iMSystem:	You won't get fooled again!
	inFeZa:	******* lol
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	TCPLemminks:
	[TA]LoSt:	You never cease to me amaze me, good sir
	TASlowHands:	ahahahahahahaaa
	syfChadMann:
	Shieldz:	ROFL
	TABiggun:	LOL THIS WINS THE THREAD
	TAminimat:
	Pox:
	deL:	hahahahahahaha
	NvRossi:	LOVE IT
	neKo:
	TABottles:	ahahahahaaa
	TAriiChard:
	Synizta:

**inFeZa** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

You Tube

**VoxMSI.Rogue** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:25 PM

God damn it you people are far too ******* hilarious.

AxSGRiM · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:30 PM

It's so sad to see that AsG members still try to defend this bullshit cheater... ur awesome Rossi and everyone else who put effort to try and find out the secret behind this scumbag!

Quick Comments

	AsGNabi:	That's not nice, at all. You type of people are thriving on this.
	ToRSpookToR:	******* ironic

Shieldz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:31 PM

amazing rossi and mafia appreciate the work u guys did along with others.

TABiggun · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:35 PM

Seo does many weird control group changes which must be due to his playing of brood war. There would be no reason to copy these control groups in starcraft 2.

There is no way you can just 'learn' such the specific setup that seo has and execute it exactly like him. There would be no point.
Also, seo has a very broodwar esque setup as I mentioned before, there would be no reason for chobo to have it the same as seo, the koreans just do it because they have played 1000s of games with that setup so there's no reason to change.

Also, for conclusive proof, you can see the 'tapping' of seo in the charts and its the exact same as 'chobo'. The way a player spams is like a fingerprint and there is no way you can learn to do it the same as anyone else.

Just as a side note, it's very possible that chobo was watching the stream of 'himself' playing in the Masters Cup LOL!

Quick Comments

	Shieldz:	LOL nice last sentence
	TACeeSerps:	Inception!! BWOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
	deL:	This was the key point for me!
	inFeZa:	rofl. you should highlight that last sentence
	NvJazBas:	LOL

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Seo does many weird control group changes which must be due to his playing of brood war. There would be no reason to copy these control groups in starcraft 2.

There is no way you can just 'learn' such the specific setup that seo has and execute it exactly like him. There would be no point.
Also, seo has a very broodwar esque setup as I mentioned before, there would be no reason for chobo to have it the same as seo, the koreans just do it because they have played 1000s of games with that setup so there's no reason to change.

Also, for conclusive proof, you can see the 'tapping' of seo in the charts and its the exact same as 'chobo'. The way a player spams is like a fingerprint and there is no way you can learn to do it the same as anyone else.

Just as a side note, it's very possible that chobo was watching the stream of 'himself' playing in the Masters Cup LOL!

Very true.

And also adding on to that, you would find NO coaches saying to u, "COPY MY HOTKEY SET UP".

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	i think pig advises people too try his out but his are very basic
	Kepler:	PiG does suggest his hotkey setup, but he doesn't mandate it.
	TABiggun:	Pig's setup is good for any zerg and its the standard, seo's setup is weird and pointless but he uses it coz of bw
	deL:	^ good* coaches (kidding love you pig)
	RicocheT:	Could be possible if you're being coached by like...MKP or something and you want dem hotkeyz
	nGenLight:	Mate, i used to tell my students, copy my hotkeys, its the best, if u dont ur shit.

NvPinder · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TABiggun

Just as a side note, it's very possible that chobo was watching the stream of 'himself' playing in the Masters Cup LOL!

HAHAHAHA I never considered this! LOL.

EDIT; for clarity, he was seen on the stream list watching his games against rossi, when we pointed it out, it was apparently his ever elusive 'girlfriend' watching him play... Turns out his girlfriend is himself, another case closed I guess ;o

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	My girlfriend is myself too
	Kepler:	Just to clarify, he does actually have a girlfriend.
	Peleus:	It could be his GF, his hand was using the keyboard...
	AsGNabi:	Pretty sure I remember what I did Sunday night.. Idiot.

**PiG** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:01 PM

Shame on the few people in this thread and the last who raged/bullied/abused the people like Uhf and others who are trying to be 100% thorough. For the last 2 days I have heard people of that opinion be abused when they were just trying to be thorough and 100% sure. Mean while we had some VERY half-assed evidence of "maphacking" which a some portion of people blindly believed in because two progamers told them it was so.

Because of the chobo drama I watched the catz vod and also saw so many nothing points get brought up that I got very mad. To call catz an authority on sc2 or treat him as such is an absolute joke as we saw multiple times in that vod: http://www.twitch.tv/rootcatz/b/320407912

At one point they all make a big deal of move to defend a doom drop and a scan catching it... when 2 minutes later they realise a scouting rax saw the drop coming... ugh

Am I sayin I'm better or understand more than catz or mafia or rossi? Hells no I think I'm just as shit and in the dark as all 3 of them. That's right I said they're shit. Right now I would rate Rossi, Mafia and catz all 3 as more solid progamers then me. But I understand the fact that they still all suck. Broodwar took years and years to develop and understand and sc2 itself has come SO damn far since a year or 6 months ago that to place our current understanding as PLAYERS not analysts or coaches as an authority is just... absolute crap. (What I'm trying to say is we don't know enough about this game to be rash. We absolutely must be 100% careful with something like this).

Now that being said i was something like 75% sure that chobo was VERY suspect. Probably a production tab hack or streamcheating from the games I saw. However the comments saying "why isn't he banned!? how is anyone stupid enough to still defend him" really got to me. I know it was only a few people saying this but goddammit take a chill pill next time this happens and keep it in your pants. You hate hackers? Go hate on the HACKERS not the people trying to make sure they are 100% hacking.

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Originally Posted by TABiggun

Seo does many weird control group changes which must be due to his playing of brood war. There would be no reason to copy these control groups in starcraft 2.

There is no way you can just 'learn' such the specific setup that seo has and execute it exactly like him. There would be no point.
Also, seo has a very broodwar esque setup as I mentioned before, there would be no reason for chobo to have it the same as seo, the koreans just do it because they have played 1000s of games with that setup so there's no reason to change.

Also, for conclusive proof, you can see the 'tapping' of seo in the charts and its the exact same as 'chobo'. The way a player spams is like a fingerprint and there is no way you can learn to do it the same as anyone else.

This is the post I've been looking for. Biggun had some great info on the previous thread about only checking for spire in the games the zerg didnt go infestors but it was buried underneath the piles of bullshit.

Can anyone else confirm is the tapping and hotkey ordering etc. show up on this chart? Is it really like a fingerprint (similar not exactly). Because if so this is damning evidence. Just having different setups especially CC on 0 is odd. and very very suspect but not 100% damning unless this is the case.

Ok rant over.

P.S. want to clarify. Mafia had some great points in his vod about helion positioning and intercepting lings. Unfortunately it was buried underneath 80% emotional attempts to find suspicious behaviour in ordinary stuff ... IMO

Quick Comments

	FvRphoneheha:
	VB_Rhuubarb:	Agreed, people shouldn't lower their personal standards just because they think someone else has.
	Peleus:	Agreed, Chobo sorry for calling you a hacker
	Sedz:
	syfPhoenix:
	Kepler:	Absolutely agree. People blew off people like UHF just because Rossi made the initial post.
	Snx.FigJig:
	xGKingdelete:
	Uglymutt:	Thanks for trying to calm everyone down
	Pox:
	Cyanide:
	MrToast:	Was just the usual TA circlejerk routine.
	TAEdgE:	and Toast was bias with the anti-TA ;)
	HuT:
	nirvAnA:
	Dox:	i like ptatoes
	Zealo:

deL · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:36 PM

Before all of this I was skeptical, I thought at worst he was a hacker who used prod tab hack and had no idea what he was doing, just getting lucky and at best was good but inconsistent due to odd strategies.

However in light of this post I am slowly being swayed. The use of 0 as a hotkey for the orbital is particularly damning for me. It's really a redundant leftover from BW days and players who never played BW competitively should never really use it. Changing your hotkeys TO this setup is very odd as it offers no advantage and is so hard to get accustomed to.

What I would have liked from CHoBo is to get everything out right from the start and construct a proper response that details EVERYTHING instead of waiting for an accusation before explaining it. He could have mentioned that he learned hotkeys from this player and if he said that in an appropriate response post before he was accused of this then this evidence may not be incriminating, but the fact he only addresses things after the fact is really hurting his chances of proving himself innocent. Again if he had explained somehow in a previous post the reasoning for his hotkeys and whatnot this could be mitigated somewhat but as it stands accusations against CHoBo have gone from "coincidental" before this evening, to "suspect".

Quick Comments

	mGGAequitas:	ppl rebind control group 0 to something easier like w
	JoFritzMD:	This is my exact thoughts when I saw the hotkey. He either played alot of BW or a BW smurf is using his account.

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:38 PM

This is seriously concerning. I defended Kice over hacking allegations as they seemed pretty ridiculous, which was shown.

This new evidence is absolutely different, and it concerns me that Kice may have been lying to us (people we know in real life) as well. I've watched Kice play on his stream while he was doing commentary, whether it was 'gm level' is not my field of expertise, but he seemed to be competing at a Masters level.

Conversely we've had Nirvana test out this smurfing possibility. He concluded it was unlikely.

But as it stands I'm just not sure. It's just a video game, but this resulted in money being taken away from someone else. At worst this is an elaborate hoax set up by Kice for some inane reason, or it's simply a matter of coincidence because he's coached by this other guy (which seems highly unlikely based on the very Brood War esque hotkeys).

As much as I hate to do this I should note that on his Facebook he liked a page called "Starcraft 2 Services", as shown here. https://www.facebook.com/StarCraft2Services

Whether he's an actual member of the group, or he's contracted their services is not up for me to come to a conclusion for. I've tried to be impartial while giving him the benefit of the doubt. Whilst the hacking allegations seem less likely, this has much more evidence behind it.

Quote:

It's so sad to see that AsG members still try to defend this bullshit cheater... ur awesome Rossi and everyone else who put effort to try and find out the secret behind this scumbag!

We defend him against allegations that he was a hacker, which were shown to be pretty false. Rossi's allegations that it's not actually Kice playing are a totally unrelated to him being a hacker or not. This has some of us at a loss for words on how to react, would you defend someone from such voracious attacks like harassment by some TA members and spam bots based on evidence that turned out to be incorrect?

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	great post
	Nadir:	I'm in the same boat bud.
	FvRphoneheha:	Yes, people saying they can't understand anyone understanding Chobo have to see it from the other side
	nirvAnA:
	TAriiChard:
	nGenLight:	I empathize ur sitaution, friend
	NvRossi:	Respect

AxSGRiM · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kepler

This is seriously concerning. I defended Kice over hacking allegations as they seemed pretty ridiculous, which was shown.

This new evidence is absolutely different, and it concerns me that Kice may have been lying to us (people we know in real life) as well. I've watched Kice play on his stream while he was doing commentary, whether it was 'gm level' is not my field of expertise, but he seemed to be competing at a Masters level.

Conversely we've had Nirvana test out this smurfing possibility. He concluded it was unlikely.

But as it stands I'm just not sure. It's just a video game, but this resulted in money being taken away from someone else. At worst this is an elaborate hoax set up by Kice for some inane reason, or it's simply a matter of coincidence because he's coached by this other guy (which seems highly unlikely based on the very Brood War esque hotkeys).

As much as I hate to do this I should note that on his Facebook he liked a page called "Starcraft 2 Services", as shown here. https://www.facebook.com/StarCraft2Services

Whether he's an actual member of the group, or he's contracted their services is not up for me to come to a conclusion for. I've tried to be impartial while giving him the benefit of the doubt. Whilst the hacking allegations seem less likely, this has much more evidence behind it.

We defend him against allegations that he was a hacker, which were shown to be pretty false. Rossi's allegations that it's not actually Kice playing are a totally unrelated to him being a hacker or not. This has some of us at a loss for words on how to react, would you defend someone from such voracious attacks like harassment by some TA members and spam bots based on evidence that turned out to be incorrect?

By saying that he is a cheater, I am not implying he has been using hacks, rather he has been breaking ToS by getting others to play on his acc, portrait farming etc. I feel that AsG defending ChoBo previously is a perfectly fine act, however, when I saw that Sedz continued to defend him in the 1st page I find it absolutely ridiculous how he could still defend ChoBo when such damning evidence has been put before us.

Once again, I applaud you for supporting a clan member (when FaDe defended evetS) that's an aspect a good clan/team needs to have but when such evidence is presented I find it ridiculous that you can continue defending Kice.

PS. ChoBo has played multiple Ace games for Last Season's SEACL T3 and I feel that it is unfair to the other teams who have played vs AsG in the last season. However, I'm sure other AsG players + Dox played a 100% legitimate game.. just wondering

Quick Comments

VB_Rhuubarb:

I think it's ironic that you are talking about playing on other's accounts.

Sedz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sRGRiM

By saying that he is a cheater, I am not implying he has been using hacks, rather he has been breaking ToS by getting others to play on his acc, portrait farming etc. I feel that AsG defending ChoBo previously is a perfectly fine act, however, when I saw that Sedz continued to defend him in the 1st page I find it absolutely ridiculous how he could still defend ChoBo when such damning evidence has been put before us.

Once again, I applaud you for supporting a clan member (when FaDe defended evetS) that's an aspect a good clan/team needs to have but when such evidence is presented I find it ridiculous that you can continue defending Kice.

PS. ChoBo has played multiple Ace games for Last Season's SEACL T3 and I feel that it is unfair to the other teams who have played vs AsG in the last season. However, I'm sure other AsG players + Dox played a 100% legitimate game.. just wondering

I wasn't continuing to defend him, if you re-read my post I was just making sure that people were 100% correct about this.

You want my honest opinion? Yeah this is pretty damning evidence. And yes, it would be ludicrous and a huge task to go about defending him. To be honest, I just want all of this to be over with, regardless of the outcome, so I can start building my clan's rep back up again and move on.

Also. I know it will probably mean absolutely nothing, but it was him playing in SEACL.

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:
	nirvAnA:
	TAminimat:	i dont think asg has really been hurt by this, thats my opinion anyway
	TABiggun:	Cheer up bud, It's not your fault and you can't stop people from doing stuff like this
	AsGNabi:	This has gone on far too long. There are more important things in life right now..
	TAriiChard:	i think your clan's rep has strengthened rather than weakened

**Dox** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedz

Also. I know it will probably mean absolutely nothing, but it was him playing in SEACL.

I can vouch for this, there was definitely no smurfing in SEACL.

Quick Comments

	Kepler:	Agreed. Kice is at least high masters/gm, but going from that to 3-0'ing Mafia is far too unlikely.
	nirvAnA:	It looks like it was namaa or someone else playing against kowi from those hotkeys

**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:39 PM

I know people are going to be angry and frustrated at people still defending Chobo since the evidence right now is pretty ridiculously condemning. However, I must ensure everyone, we are all on the same page that - JUSTICE, is what we want. Whereas oneside are convinced (I should hope so)by the evidence provided by some amazing and dirty police work here, the other side chooses to see things from another/different perspective to ensure that nothing is missed and we do not by that little chance, lynch an innocent man <- This is perhaps the greatest fear, hence why some people are still pushing for thoroughness. Please be understanding and try to dispell these concerns through logical, strong and pinpoint arguments instead of personal attacks targeted at said person's credibility/skill level/community status. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hearing different perspectives, allowing us to understand and investigate the situation more thoroughly than just following the strong choice words of a few (who I obviously agree with). Think and investigate for yourself, it should be easy, the hardworks already been done by some legends of this community.

We are all of the same jury. However that said, if you can't see how shady this Chobo character is by now - I probably won't want you on my jury team.

I vote him lynched, the evidence are all pointing towards him using third party programs (portrait farming, potentially hacks), and shifty activities such as getting others to play on his account, tournament or not.

I'm not entirely convinced that he hacks, because I haven't spent that much time looking at them replays myself. But having others play on his account, GTFO son.

Quick Comments

	mGGDaedalus:
	TAEdgE:
	Uglymutt:	Certainly shady, thoroughness is the key
	FvRphoneheha:	Definitely don't want to see an innocent man lynched.
	iM MaFia:	Very good post
	nirvAnA:	really liked the first paragraph
	Asrathiel:
	ToRSpartaz:	Agreed with Light here.

BAD.BiGbiRd · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:48 PM

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. He may very well be a SEA GM level so if you just grab him out of the blue he can handle himself no problems. There is an extremely large difference between that and changing your hotkeys completely and demolishing SEA's best no sweat.

I stayed out of the hacking war because i was not completely convinced and didn't have enough time to analyse everything myself. I am however completely sure that he has had someone else smurphing on his account, the evidence is just far too good. You CANNOT change your hotkey set-up or game mannerisms game to game. It just doesn't happen

TASlowHands · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TekBiGbiRd

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. He may very well be a SEA GM level so if you just grab him out of the blue he can handle himself no problems. There is an extremely large difference between that and changing your hotkeys completely and demolishing SEA's best no sweat.

I stayed out of the hacking war because i was not completely convinced and didn't have enough time to analyse everything myself. I am however completely sure that he has had someone else smurphing on his account, the evidence is just far too good. You CANNOT change your hotkey set-up or game mannerisms game to game. It just doesn't happen

From what I can tell this is kinda sc2services 'business model' take some player with potential, power level his account for a fee, then teach them enough, for a fee again to wing it at that level and not get destroyed constantly.

The fact he liked that site on his facebook is super ******* shady

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

i think pig advises people too try his out but his are very basic

Ok sorry I'm wrong on this I guess cause Pig is a sick coach

Quick Comments

PiG:

I use beginner hotkeys cos i never play bw :P

MrToast · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:51 PM

I think people should at LEAST wait for a retort from Chobo before people start claiming this to be 'concrete proof. Especially with the amount of times Rossi has come with some 'infallible truth' only to have it blow up in his face

Also didn't Nirvana mention in the thread this is meant to be in that he asked chobo to get on on skype and he got on right away and answered a personal question IN GAME while he was playing nirvana at a top GM level?

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	the thing regarding nirvana isn't as easy as that either - check rossis post on this page
	Cyanide:	something that could have been easily anticipated

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:51 PM

On the contrary, Grim. I'm not going to defend Kice for this, he's on his own.

I trusted that his play was his own, and if this turns out to not be true then that trust was betrayed. The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrToast

I think people should at LEAST wait for a retort from Chobo before people start claiming this to be 'concrete proof. Especially with the amount of times Rossi has come with some 'infallible truth' only to have it blow up in his face

Also didn't Nirvana mention in the thread this is meant to be in that he asked chobo to get on on skype and he got on right away and answered a personal question IN GAME while he was playing nirvana at a top GM level?

This is true, but I'm confused as to how there isn't an element of truth to Rossi's claim in this case. The facebook link I provided is also more evidence.

Quick Comments

	Nadir:	I don't want AsG to denote shadiness
	TABiggun:	I don't think it's that bad for your clan, there was no way for you to know unless you did tons of analysis.

RicocheT · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kepler

The more problematic ramifications are that this will tarnish our clan's reputation, even if Kice is not a representative sample of all of us it will still paint us in a damaging light when people run into us on ladder.

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaDeUndoNe

I disagree mate. Just because one apple is bad (In our case Evets), doesn't mean your reputation is lost. I'm sure SPR can say the same with that dude who hacked, Meany or something. Both of our clans are still standing, going strong, both clans were vocal when both of our members were accused of hacking (I certainly as hell was vocal). However, most people are far more mature and smart enough to realize just because there was a bad apple, doesn't apply to the entire clan. This is Starcraft 2 SEA, not call of duty with preb 12 year olds.

Addressing the point of evidence, I think the cat is out of the bag. He's guilty in my books. SC2gears OP.

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

**Maynarde** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

I do agree that we're likely not to have any repercussions to AsG specifically.

I can vouch that FaDe was not affected at all by the EvetS scandal. EvetS was / is a buddy of mine very friendly guy (first person I cast with) and a lot of people were hurt by the realization when he admitted to it, but no one blamed the clan. Enough water has gone under the bridge for him to even come along and provide evidence in the hacker thread and not feel threatened by our community which of course will never lash out at someone for legitimately helping.

FaDe is still a very close knit and strong pillar of SEA. As long as the leadership and members remain as high calibur as you are on this forum, and continue to participate in SEA tournaments and events AsG will continue to be as well.

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	Kepler:	I'm glad to see the optimism, I'm not really used to online communities being so welcoming.
	RicocheT:	Too awesome, too sexy...too hairy?
	TAEdgE:

RicocheT · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kepler

Given the amount of vitriol that resulted from this in comparison to other incidents, it did have me worried. Obviously this community is much more forgiving than a shithole like /r/Starcraft, but people have a funny way of associating a whole group of people because of the actions of an individual.

It's due to it being a tournament setting. No one wants a tournament tarnished by hackers/smurfers/etc. It wasn't an attack on Chobo or anything, but rather ensuring that the Masters Cup and other tournaments run by sc2sea are kept clean and hacker free.

Quick Comments

	Kepler:	I agree, the spam when he logged in on SC2 and into his SC2SEA inbox was what concerned me.
	syfChadMann:	I think he is talking about how everyone thinks TA are BM?.. which they aren't.. ;)

**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:52 PM

Maybe this chobo guy is not real and is just Targa trolling us.

Maybe I am insane and the world isn't real.

Maybe... I am minimat...

Anyway, call me... maybe

Quick Comments

	BAD.BiGbiRd:
	NvJazBas:
	Kepler:	What is real? How do you define real?
	Dox:	you are a beautiful man
	FvRphoneheha:	Maybe Light's right!
	dippa:	**** - that - song
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	inFeZa:	WHAT THA **** IS GOING ON IN MY HEAD

MooZfY · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:56 PM

Still waiting for chobo response to this >_<

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:59 PM

Yeah - I just wanna say,
Don't hate on AsG - they are a good bunch of guys that stuck up for their clan mate.
I'm sure you would all do the same. Its easy for them to defend him as they are his friends and until now - no one was sure - no one had the right evidence.. so don't hate AsG. AsG are still a talented clan that represents their state well..

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	TAEdgE:
	MooZfY:
	Sedz:	Thanks
	AxSGRiM:
	TABiggun:	100% true
	Maynarde:
	Nadir:	Cheers bud
	AsGNabi:	Thank you.
	TAriiChard:

iVnStinger · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cR.ChadMann

Yeah - I just wanna say,
Don't hate on AsG - they are a good bunch of guys that stuck up for their clan mate.
I'm sure you would all do the same. Its easy for them to defend him as they are his friends and until now - no one was sure - no one had the right evidence.. so don't hate AsG. AsG are still a talented clan that represents their state well..

@ASG - I can vouch for this as well. When iVnFictioN hacked I thought iVn was done and I'd have thought everyone would hate us, but it was the exact opposite. I was being so hostile because I thought people were trying to hate on us. Similarly when iVnWallace was accused for hacking. But I was sadly mistaken. Sc2sea has such an amazing community. They help in the discussions and they do not judge the clan/team based on what 1 player has done. This is truly a community which makes me feel at home, one that I can share anything with and not feel scared. Do not feel like you guys will be hated. If you guys ever need help, you can find us here

@Rossi - Some people may think you've gone overboard with how much research you have done and how much effort you have put into this. But I for one would like to sincerely thank you for your amazing work. I do not like hackers. I've hated them even more when one of my own started hacking. The dedication you have shown to making this community a better place is something not everyone can show. I salute you sir. As well as everyone who has helped like tgun, Mafia and Nirvana (i can't remember all)

All I hope for is that Chobo can come clean and accept his punishment.

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	NvRossi:	I really appreciate that. Im glad something good came out of this
	syfPhoenix:
	TAriiChard:

**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:00 PM

The blueprints of how a player spams his hotkeys is like everyone's fingerprints - unique. His hotkey blue prints being exactly the same as accused smurfer is probably the most conclusive evidence against him thus far.

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BAD.BiGbiRd:

Yeah thats what i'm trying to drill home lol

Zealo · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:00 PM

just to clarify, rossi is withdrawing his claim that chobo hacked in masters cup?

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	NvJazBas:	wtf that got to do with this -_-..
	Sedz:	oh god ******* dammit, i love you
	AxSGRiM:	we wont be seeing chobo in tournaments anywaiz
	syfChadMann:	Hacking or smurfing - its still cheating.
	AsGNabi:	LOL
	TABiggun:	Chobo has shown he is willing to do some bad things to make people think he is good, wouldnt be surprised if he hacked.
	Kepler:	Just like your PvZ, this is hilarious.
	TAriiChard:	LOL... wtf
	x5.Revenant:	butt's sore.

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealo

just to clarify, rossi is withdrawing his claim that chobo hacked in masters cup?

Seems so. But it doesn't really invalidate the fact that there is something shady going on here. I'm hoping that kice will actually respond.

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Zealo:

rossi's made so many "i am ******* sure" accusations that contradict each other, i'm trying to keep track

mGGDaedalus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedz

so I can start building my clan's rep back up again and move on.

Seeing as there's no evidence of other asg members being in on this incident, I don't think you have too much to worry about with your clan's reputation. When we had the evets situation people seemed to be pretty understanding and I imagine it will be the same here. People just want to get to the bottom of this.

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	Maynarde:
	Sedz:
	Kepler:

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:04 PM

i think its very likely chobo has disappeared already

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	AxSGRiM:	i will take his girlfriend!
	AsGNabi:	O__O
	ToR.Arnor:	Hands off GRiM, ^_^

TABottles · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:10 PM

If I let my friend play my account today - is that frowned upon? Do other people let people play their accounts? Of course not in tournaments or to boost my stats. I just laddered with my friend today swapping game by game for fun. Bad or good? He's someone who doesn't own Starcraft 2 for himself.

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TABiggun:

why would that be bad? We are talking about chobo pretending to be higher skill than he is and winning tournament money

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:10 PM

Do you guys remember this BM guy called Kayhan?

He was accused for not paying Chobo money after getting coached from him because he could beat him.

I coached Kayhan (he paid me every penny), I COULD BEAT HIM WITH TERRAN.

YOU DON'T LOSE TO KAYHAN AND BEAT MAFIA,ENDER,TARGA and GLADE

ps.dont get me wrong. Kayhan didn't do the right thing either.

edit: and tgun/yang etc

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Kepler:

I wouldn't exactly trust Kayhan's opinion. Kayhan was not very good.

ToRskrawL · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:17 PM

You Tube

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NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Kepler: *
I wouldn't exactly trust Kayhan's opinion. Kayhan was not very good.

He was SEA low GM. Maybe he wasn't very good but he certainly wasn't a guy who would lie so he wouldn't have to pay. He paid me for multiple hours. I'm sure he didn't lie about himself beating Chobo.

Sedz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

He was SEA low GM. Maybe he wasn't very good but he certainly wasn't a guy who would lie so he wouldn't have to pay. He paid me for multiple hours. I'm sure he didn't lie about himself beating Chobo.

Even if he did beat CHobo in one of the prac games for whatever reason (I can see a student that is high masters/low gm beating their coach) it still doesn't excuse him for not paying and being a complete dick to everyone on ladder and CHobo himself.

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedz

Even if he did beat Kice in one of the prac games for whatever reason (Keep in mind, I can see a student that is high masters/low gm beating their coach) it still doesn't excuse him for not paying.

Read before replying. I already said that in no way I'm saying Kayhan did a right thing. I actually said he didn't.

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

He was SEA low GM. Maybe he wasn't very good but he certainly wasn't a guy who would lie so he wouldn't have to pay. He paid me for multiple hours. I'm sure he didn't lie about himself beating Chobo.

That is true, I stand corrected.

AsGNabi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

He was SEA low GM. Maybe he wasn't very good but he certainly wasn't a guy who would lie so he wouldn't have to pay. He paid me for multiple hours. I'm sure he didn't lie about himself beating Chobo.

Kayhan beat Chobo while he was coaching, so it really isn't that black and white.

Short answer, yes he beat him.
Long answer, not in the way Chobo would be playing normally.

NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AsGNabi

Kayhan beat Chobo while he was coaching, so it really isn't that black and white.

Short answer, yes he beat him.
Long answer, not in the way Chobo would be playing normally.

Why are you responding and Chobo is not?

Kepler · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NvRossi

Why are you responding and Chobo is not?

Based on what he's told me on skype, he's trying to figure out how to respond.

AsGNabi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NvRossi

Why are you responding and Chobo is not?

Because he got mad and went for a shower. He's writing a reply now.

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NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsGNabi

Kayhan beat Chobo while he was coaching, so it really isn't that black and white.

Short answer, yes he beat him.
Long answer, not in the way Chobo would be playing normally.

I've beaten Kayhan with Terran.

I'm sure a Terran who can beat top zergs like tgun,glade,targa,mafia,ender can beat kayhan easily?

Rage · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

I've beaten Kayhan with Terran.

I'm sure a Terran who can beat top zergs like tgun,glade,targa,mafia,ender can beat kayhan easily?

I feel like a distinction needs to be made here between beating him while coaching and beating him in a normal scenario.

I got coaching from TypeReaL many many months ago - at the time he was low level KR GM, about to move to Europe (where he got GM basically rightaway), and during some PvP coaching games, I beat him once - but it was simply due to the fact that he was trying to show me the correct way to defend blink/obs with immortal expand, and was deliberately being more aggressive than one would in a normal game, which eventually meant I could overrun him.

Does that mean I'm clearly better than him?

No, it just means that a big part of the difference between real top players and players like me is the focus and repeated practise that goes into their games and builds, and when they are thinking about coaching as well as playing and also doing things that they don't necessarily practise, the gap is much smaller and easier to cross.

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rage

I feel like a distinction needs to be made here between beating him while coaching and beating him in a normal scenario.

I got coaching from TypeReaL many many months ago - at the time he was low level KR GM, about to move to Europe (where he got GM basically rightaway), and during some PvP coaching games, I beat him once - but it was simply due to the fact that he was trying to show me the correct way to defend blink/obs with immortal expand, and was deliberately being more aggressive than one would in a normal game, which eventually meant I could overrun him.

Does that mean I'm clearly better than him?

No, it just means that a big part of the difference between real top players and players like me is the focus and repeated practise that goes into their games and builds, and when they are thinking about coaching as well as playing and also doing things that they don't necessarily practise, the gap is much smaller and easier to cross.

PvP and ZvT very different.

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Rage:

You have me there. Point taken.

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:21 PM

If i ever paid for coaching and my coach was worse than me, wouldn't you feel ripped off especially when his record is like 80% GM top 3 etc NA GM etc

TABottles · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:28 PM

@TABiggun Oh ok cheers. In that case he's a bigger scrub than me

mOOnGLaDe · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:28 PM

sounds like a nickname that should be used for me

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Rage · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:35 PM

I still don't think he hacked - the evidence was nowhere near conclusive about that.

But this....this is pretty cut and dry. I don't care what anyone says, hotkey setups are not reproducible by someone who doesn't use them for hundreds of games, not if they are playing at a high level.

In my mind, the most likely set of events is this - Chobo himself is a low GM/high masters player, enough to be convincing to Nirvana when they played. This also explains why he trades games evenly with Masters players at LANs, and also why he was able to be a convincing SC2SEA TGM coach - someone of that level can easily have enough knowledge to fill some coaching sessions.

But then the Chobo who beats the top of SEA is SeoYeon. I'm sure if we analysed key replays we would see this pattern replicated.

FaDeHellfyre · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:42 PM

I have a question that may seem stupid... but at risk of incurring the wroth of everyone I'll ask.

If it was indeed SeoHyeon playing on Chobo's account (I do not want to get into the argument of whether it was or not), shouldn't SeoHyeon also be getting looked at? Should someone notify his team (vVv gaming?)? This behaviour is against blizzards ToS is it not, and he would have been ineligible for the tournament otherwise. Also, if it happened, he was getting paid for it, so that also raises a lot of anger and actually some bannable offences i would think?

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Peleus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ESLHellfyre

I have a question that may seem stupid... but at risk of incurring the wroth of everyone I'll ask.

If it was indeed SeoHyeon playing on Chobo's account (I do not want to get into the argument of whether it was or not), shouldn't SeoHyeon also be getting looked at? Should someone notify his team (vVv gaming?)? This behaviour is against blizzards ToS is it not, and he would have been ineligible for the tournament otherwise. Also, if it happened, he was getting paid for it, so that also raises a lot of anger and actually some bannable offences i would think?

I'm sure the most likely avenue for progressing is this -

Wait for Chobo to respond, get his side of the story, wait for any more evidence to come forward (Nirv said perhaps he had some) and not do anything until the fast paced thread settles down.

Once all the information is together I'm sure this thread will be linked to the wider sc2 communities (Reddit, TL, PlayXP etc) and they will take appropriate action against SeoHyeon

Edit: Re communities (Reddit etc) I'm not a huge fan of mobs and pitchforks over think like swearing or BM, but cheating and smurfing deserve as much exposure as possible to lead to those responsible getting removed from the community as widely as possible.

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Rage · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:49 PM

Please don't involve reddit or TL in this.

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Maynarde:

I agree, this is a mistake

Cyanide · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:49 PM

I think the coaching issues are irrelevant to this post atm, as is this post.

Perhaps we can get back to the core issue, and wait for a response from Chobo.

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TABiggun · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyanide

I think the coaching issues are irrelevant to this post atm, as is this post.

Perhaps we can get back to the core issue, and wait for a response from Chobo.

Who knows how much money chobo has made through false advertising of his 'high grandmaster' coaching.

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iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:52 PM

he got mad ppl found out the truth?
whats he mad @

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AsGNabi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iM Mafia

he got mad ppl found out the truth?
whats he mad @

There's no need to be like that. Without making it out like he needs sympathy, try defending yourself against an entire community who is criticising and analysing every single movement of your game. When no one is giving you any room to budge, of course you’re going to get frustrated.

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TAminimat:

theres a simple fix for that...

**iM tgun** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsGNabi

There's no need to be like that. Without making it out like he needs sympathy, try defending yourself against an entire community who is criticising and analysing every single movement of your game. When no one is giving you any room to budge, of course you’re going to get frustrated.

Seriously?

I defended him when "he" was accused of cheating.

Can't defend this.

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AsGNabi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tgun

Seriously?

I defended him when "he" was accused of cheating.

Can't defend this.

Not saying you specifically, just seems to be way too much bias.

Anyway, I really think you should all just wait for his response. It's coming.

Edit: Thanks for the welcome.

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NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsGNabi

There's no need to be like that. Without making it out like he needs sympathy, try defending yourself against an entire community who is criticising and analysing every single movement of your game. When no one is giving you any room to budge, of course you’re going to get frustrated.

of course you're going to get frustrated when you've done so well to fool the whole community for about a year but gets busted now

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Peleus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:06 PM

Pig, to give an idea of hotkey analysis it was similarly used successfully identify the Nv players (NvT, NvP etc) before they were announced. It's amazing how unique hotkey setups are.

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**PiG** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peleus

Pig, to give an idea of hotkey analysis it was similarly used successfully identify the Nv players (NvT, NvP etc) before they were announced. It's amazing how unique hotkey setups are.

Thankyou! With that in mind I would say there is probably no chance of a "oh he uses 4 different setups, or changed setups/tested them for a bit because they wouldn't have the same habits as seohyeon. Therefore this is highly good evidence and I must thank Rossi for his great detective work.

Eagerly awaiting chobos response and explanation.

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VB_Rhuubarb:

This is for screwing up my previous one!

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:15 PM

(response to pig)

yes I do regret making sucha big accusation on someone.. and have learnt from this experience greatly
I think rossi is in the same boat we have both agreed to never bother with anything like this again - our jobs are just to play sc2 really...

i cant really say im sorry cause I was probably wrong and didn't have enough evidence with my maphacking claims because it wasn't even him playing... but im just glad its almost over and there was some use out of it after all... mayb karma? i dont know but im definitely not bothering to get involved again

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**inFeZa** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:19 PM

Well......

You Tube

Edit: to rep - im referring to the confirmation of him cheating. but yeah still awaiting his response.

Such a shame that he had to lie to the community,

you CAN improve at this game if you try, you don't... you CAN'T get someone to up your account for you to make you look good. it doesn't work this way. Don't be ashamed of how you play, that can always be improved if you try.

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**nirvAnA** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:24 PM

More evidence

First up, more evidence to support Rossi's post about him smurfing. Remember the log with rossi about how i noticed an enormous difference in skill between the custom games i had with him, and when i played him on ladder?

+ [This log] +

It was 6 months ago but with the help of SC2 gears i actually managed to find those 3 replays of the custom games. I felt his standard was about masters league and was really shocked it was so different from the ladder games i played against him as the chobo i played on ladder was top GM level. His custom game timings were all terrible and strange. Anyway i never considerd the possibility this chobo guy was an imaginary person so I just shrugged it off and thought he was having a bad day and never thought much of it.

The custom games with the "real" chobo, from skype. Identical to what Rossi outlined in his posts the hotkeys are VERY different from the MC games / seohyun. They are also similar to his streamed game in the Rossi OP.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1285
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1284
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1283

Ladder games - One ladder game with "SEOHYUN hotkeys" the other is i guess versus another zerg who was paid to level up his account.

http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1288
(i get disced at the end, and say asdasd to test the lag but it was over anyway)
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1286
(some zerg was leveling up his account, obv a sea player not kr)

Other clues which got me thinking he was smurfing

Super quiet during ladder games, like he didn't know me.
His inability to produce replays after being suspected, even from the unsaved folder. Thought it was very fishy.
Poor performances at lan
Unwillingness to join "pro teams"
A anonymous source spilling the beans saying the real chobo is actually only diamond level

All this was what got me to investigate so I brought this possibility up to Rossi, Mafia and Revenant but after the test i was so sure he couldnt be smurfing. Somehow he tricked me again cause i ended up playing hyun? lol

The "TEST"

TLDR: First time he joined channel after being told on skype - 14 seconds. Second time he joined channel, about 5 seconds. How he tricked me in the test I did is beyond me, perhaps he was sharing his screen and having a voice/chat with hyun at the same time. But I didn't give him any preparation, just asked him if he was home then told him to get on sc2 right away. So this test results bug me still, and i really wanted rossi to do a final test to catch him 100% red handed before he made the post.

+ [The Test] +

The Test Game the game with rossi obbing. I was basically playing "seohyun" and got destroyed hard
http://www.sc2sea.com/replays.php?do=viewreplay&id=1287

Also note in the game, i asked him who he lost to at the last lan. Took him 20 seconds to reply and he said "hmmm yang" at the end. Me and rossi at that time both didn't think much about it and we dropped the smurfing issue until we were provided the streaming evidence of the different hotkeys again by the same anonymous source.

Conclusion

seohyun does not hack
seohyun played for chobo in his ladder games and MC games
the real "yamama" which targa had suspected, could be the "hacker" he played in the early seasons
How chobo managed to fool his clan (wouldn't they msg him when hyun was playing?) and the whole SEA for at least the last 6 months is astonishing, but ultimately his own greed for epeen was his undoing, as he got hyun to smurf in one of the biggest SEA tournaemnts

FINAL UPDATE

There is now 100% conclusive evidence that seohyun played for Chobo in his ladder and MC games. The evidence will be made public after chobo's statement, or should he choose not to reply.

Chobo will be punished severely, will not receive any prize money for his MC win and be stripped of all titles. Will discuss with the other admins as well how to proceed best from here. I imagine jaz will post the summarized findings on PlayXP and tgun will contact vVv and playadmin. The findings will also be posted on TL and Reddit where the two parties involved will be publicly shamed.

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**Dox** · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Chobo will be punished severely, will not receive any prize money for his MC win and be stripped of all titles. Will discuss with the other admins as well how to proceed best from here. I imagine jaz will post the summarized findings on PlayXP and tgun will contact vVv and playadmin. The findings will also be posted on TL and Reddit where the two parties involved will be publicly shamed.

I reckon with all maphackers/smurfs/cheaters of any capacity, banning them from online tournaments is more than sufficient. I'd never ban them from a LAN event where they can irrefutably prove their skills.

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breadfan:

I like this thinking, but I'd respect a tournament admin decision to enforce the ban at their lan too

**syfSoundwave** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:27 PM

As a spectator and a fan, this is highly disappointing. I watched as CHoBo displayed his skill, 2-0ing tgun in some tournament (IIRC Master's Cup) and then taking out the best of the best Zergs on SEA. tgun, MaFia, TargA, even the SEA King mOOnGLaDe all fell to him in fairly dominating fashion.

iaguz, Rossi, YoonYJ, deth, they're all awesome, but I couldn't recall someone squashing SEA's finest Zerg's so thoroughly. He displayed really good play and it was awesome to imagine that SEA had added another great player to it's ranks. One step closer to giving the rest of the world a kick in the ass. CHoBo's TvZ was honestly awesome, and his other match-ups were great too. It was kind of exciting to see someone who could potentially dethrone mOOnGLaDe as the SEA King. He looked pretty unbeatable recently.

But no, it was all a joke. It's one thing to smurf and to beat other players, screwing them out of tournament winnings, but you crossed the line. You attacked the fans, playing on their emotions, getting them hyped and excited over a complete lie, perhaps inadvertently, but you did. The tournament organizers screwed, the players screwed, but worst of all, the fans were screwed.

**** you, CHoBo. **** you.

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**Maynarde** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:28 PM

This is a dark occasion to discover a cheater in the community, but it's really heart warming to see everyone working together and the differences between certain factions not mattering when the legitimacy of our community is at stake

I think a lot of people will sleep easier tonight knowing justice has been done, if I could +rep this entire site I would lol.

+1 SC2SEA

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CHoBo(kice) · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:37 PM

Okay so what happened?
My girlfriend thought I was playing master cup while really I was playing on a spare account on NA. So while watching the stream, little did she know I was not actually playing on those particular games. I will rectify this with her as she was misled.

How did I get away with the smurfing test from Nirvana?
I got Seo to do this. Yes it was wrong, and I’m willing to admit to that. If I want to come clean, I need to leave no ambiguity.

Why I refused to post recent games?
I had different hotkey setup to seo and did not want to reveal this. Obviously, because did not want to show inconsistency of hotkeys

Hacked?
No. Definitely not. So all the analysis here and there was kind of well.. pointless. Sorry to have your time wasted.

Game Farming?
Yes. However I did not use any hack/bot program. I did this manually. The fact other people used bots just made it really easy for people not using the program to accumulate wins much faster.

Maintaining my account..
I had a few friends along my gaming which played on my account to help my bonus pool while my real life commitments were overwhelming.
However, they did not ladder me to achieve GM, I did this in the past myself.

So to conclude..
I am sorry to everyone who spent time trying to disprove a hacker, when really that wasn’t the issue at all. It was something completely different.
To all my clan who defended me including my girlfriend, I have unfortunately misled you all in the sense of winning masters cup as this was clearly done by seo. I just want to take a moment to apologize for this.

I am glad I can finally reveal the truth as this has been far to overwhelming to try and cover for the time which it has blown out to. All I can say is that I am sorry and took my time to ensure everything I thought was crucial has been covered and is true.

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	FaDeHellfyre:	at least you owned up to it finally
	nGenLight:	Give mafia his monay.
	FvRphoneheha:	:/ I'm happy that you've come forward and that this whole mess has ended. Hope you grow from this/wish you the best ahe
	nirvAnA:	thanks for coming clean. good bye kice
	inFeZa:	you lied to an 11/10 girl! D:
	Peleus:	A big **** you
	syfChadMann:	Could have saved everyone a few days of work - but good on you for coming clean.. finally.
	iMSystem:	At least it is out now, may you take your leave, peacefully.
	TACeeSerps:	Coming clean after being found out is not the same as coming forward.. I hope to never see your name around here again
	iM MaFia:	I feel sorry for your girlfriend
	Maynarde:	Thank you for admitting, see ya later
	mGGAequitas:	disgraceful behaviour
	Cyanide:	at least you decided to stop fooling everyone
	[TA]LoSt:	Exactly what CSerps has said..
	Neoneoz:	bye !
	syfPhoenix:	not cool man
	iVnStinger:	Wasted a lot of people's time. If you were decent you would've come clean the first time you got caught
	HuT:	out
	neKo:	Stay out
	Dox:	she ain't gonna be pleased dawg!
	MrToast:	Counter rep because I can
	x5.Revenant:	" I am with peace with myself that I did not cheat and that is enough' F*** THAT.
	MooZfY:	thanks for coming clean kice
	syfMiley:	inb4 seo was dead the whole time and your girlfriend is bruce willis-directed by m. night shyamalan smh
	TASlowHands:	So courageous of you to come clean when all has been discovered already. You are an absolute joke.
	RicocheT:	Should of done this way earlier.
	mOOnGLaDe:	wtf even lying to your gf?? you're a loser
	Snx.Mufasa:	get out
	Zealo:	why wouldn't he smurf on an account you don't care about? :S
	FaMe:	cant wait to see who you re-alias as.
	Strafe:	I could fathom the need to lie to the sc2sea community to make yourself look good, but to actually trick your gf LOL.
	TAriiChard:	GTFO!!!!
	Bash:	thank you for coming clean, took too long, but still, kudos it does take guts.
	breadfan:	:(
	Rage:	why the positive rep? Coming clean doesn't take guts after its been proven, you dolts.

**iM tgun** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

Okay so what happened?
My girlfriend thought I was playing master cup while really I was playing on a spare account on NA. So while watching the stream, little did she know I was not actually playing on those particular games. I will rectify this with her as she was misled.

How did I get away with the smurfing test from Nirvana?
I got Seo to do this. Yes it was wrong, and I’m willing to admit to that. If I want to come clean, I need to leave no ambiguity.

Why I refused to post recent games?
I had different hotkey setup to seo and did not want to reveal this. Obviously, because did not want to show inconsistency of hotkeys

Hacked?
No. Definitely not. So all the analysis here and there was kind of well.. pointless. Sorry to have your time wasted.

Game Farming?
Yes. However I did not use any hack/bot program. I did this manually. The fact other people used bots just made it really easy for people not using the program to accumulate wins much faster.

Maintaining my account..
I had a few friends along my gaming which played on my account to help my bonus pool while my real life commitments were overwhelming.
However, they did not ladder me to achieve GM, I did this in the past myself.

So to conclude..
I am sorry to everyone who spent time trying to disprove a hacker, when really that wasn’t the issue at all. It was something completely different.
To all my clan who defended me including my girlfriend, I have unfortunately misled you all in the sense of winning masters cup as this was clearly done by seo. I just want to take a moment to apologize for this.

I am glad I can finally reveal the truth as this has been far to overwhelming to try and cover for the time which it has blown out to. All I can say is that I am sorry and took my time to ensure everything I thought was crucial has been covered and is true.

I'd be apologizing for seohyeon too.

Let's hope his team is ok with people doing what is essentially cheating.

CHoBo(kice) · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:41 PM

tgun:

he is a good friend of mine who also coaches me, I have said sorry to him also.

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x5.Revenant:

No amount of sorries can fix his career that you have potentially ruined.

**iM tgun** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

tgun:

he is a good friend of mine who also coaches me, I have said sorry to him also.

Was he aware of why he couldn't play in the masters cup on his seohyeon account?

This is a ******* serious issue. He basically cheated. I'm not okay with this.

Contact me on skype @ tgun.143 ASAP.

NvRossi · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

Okay so what happened?
My girlfriend thought I was playing master cup while really I was playing on a spare account on NA. So while watching the stream, little did she know I was not actually playing on those particular games. I will rectify this with her as she was misled.

How did I get away with the smurfing test from Nirvana?
I got Seo to do this. Yes it was wrong, and I’m willing to admit to that. If I want to come clean, I need to leave no ambiguity.

Why I refused to post recent games?
I had different hotkey setup to seo and did not want to reveal this. Obviously, because did not want to show inconsistency of hotkeys

Hacked?
No. Definitely not. So all the analysis here and there was kind of well.. pointless. Sorry to have your time wasted.

Game Farming?
Yes. However I did not use any hack/bot program. I did this manually. The fact other people used bots just made it really easy for people not using the program to accumulate wins much faster.

Maintaining my account..
I had a few friends along my gaming which played on my account to help my bonus pool while my real life commitments were overwhelming.
However, they did not ladder me to achieve GM, I did this in the past myself.

So to conclude..
I am sorry to everyone who spent time trying to disprove a hacker, when really that wasn’t the issue at all. It was something completely different.
To all my clan who defended me including my girlfriend, I have unfortunately misled you all in the sense of winning masters cup as this was clearly done by seo. I just want to take a moment to apologize for this.

I am glad I can finally reveal the truth as this has been far to overwhelming to try and cover for the time which it has blown out to. All I can say is that I am sorry and took my time to ensure everything I thought was crucial has been covered and is true.

In the end all im going to say to you is that you're a ******* douchebag.

You wasted a **** load of mine and others time and we risked our reputations trying to catch you out for being the snide, demented cheater that you are. All the while you made pissweak excuses and insulted us.

Furthermore you betrayed your friends and your gf all so your tiny ego could grow and so you could pretend you were somebody. I hope you learnt your lesson, however i really doubt it as you only told the truth after you were caught out otherwise; i doubt we would ever have heard it.

**** you.

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dippa · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:30 PM

this isn't a dark occasion.

it should be a monumental day for all of us - we've finally managed to root out one of the most disgraceful weeds in the community.

if only we could do the same with zanooku, but alas, one step at a time.

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**inFeZa** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:35 PM

You Tube

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**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:37 PM

TA -Nirvana alliance, omfg what the hell is going on!?

Call me crazy... maybe?

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FvRphoneheha:

Ray is china man, I shall uprep

**Baldie** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:41 PM

You Tube

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crAzerk · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:41 PM

PiG's post above said just about what I was feeling about this whole issue:

Quote:

... had some great points in his vod about helion positioning and intercepting lings. Unfortunately it was buried underneath 80% emotional attempts to find suspicious behaviour in ordinary stuff ... IMO

Of course, the hacking thing is not the main issue now anymore, and I'm glad it reached a resolution. Props to Rossi (and whoever) for the hard work in pursuing justice, this smurfing thing is pretty much nail in the coffin.

I do hope everyone learns from the whole hacking drama though, as to how to proceed with a maphack allegation. Try to keep personal bias out of it, otherwise everything can be seen as a maphack.

Good job sc2sea!

EDIT: Ok about a dozen posts sprung up as I was typing this, including Chobo's confession. Case closed!

**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:41 PM

Theres one thing to lying to the community. Lying to your better half who has put herself out there (11/10 for courage) to defend you, you are a coward, go die in a fire.

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iVnStinger · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:42 PM

True Mass Effect 3 ending. This was pretty disgraceful, not only to you but to sc2sea. I cannot find any maturity in your admitting this only after everyone has done the dog work. I wish the best for you in the future. Good bye.

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FaDeHellfyre · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:43 PM

but this ruins the effectiveness of my meme

edit: rep reply; because i just invented it that's why.

yang

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**inFeZa** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:43 PM

THIS IS THE TALE OF ASG CHOBO, A CHEATER SO BRAVE ON SC2SEA. A MISLEADING QUEST TO THE PRIZE MONEY OF THE MASTERS CUP. USING KOREAN PLAYERS TO MAKE IT A BREEZE! a

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Shieldz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:44 PM

SeoHyeon himself also should get in here and start apologizing for smurfing in a serious tournament

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NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shieldz

SeoHyeon himself also should get in here and start apologizing for smurfing in a serious tournament

Ive talked with him for the last hour hes going to post a apology soon

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Shieldz:

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvRossi

Ive talked with him for the last hour hes going to post a apology soon

Yeap and also note that Seohyeon has asked for understanding from SEA community of hes bad English as he is not very good at English

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Chappo · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:49 PM

This has be so much more entertaining than the Spades drama. GOGO SEA community! Well played to everyone who put in monster hours to get this all out.

SLCN.CautioN · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:50 PM

Case closed!

Peleus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:51 PM

Understanding or not, he cheated. Clearly he would have known he was ineligible otherwise he would have been playing on his own account as he did in the international masters cup.

Asking for understanding doesn't come close to being forgiven for this imo.

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mGGDaedalus:

i think he meant understanding of his poor english

x5.Revenant · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peleus

Understanding or not, he cheated. Clearly he would have known he was ineligible otherwise he would have been playing on his own account as he did in the international masters cup.

Asking for understanding doesn't come close to being forgiven for this imo.

Agree, for every action, there is a consequence.

AsGNabi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:52 PM

Come on guys, saying things like ‘die in a fire’ are just plain stupid. Sure he did something dumb, but came clean and admitted to it. It takes a lot to actually come clean about something like this, especially when expecting to disappoint so many people.

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	souljah:	not much of a "come clean" when all the evidence has been laid bare for us but I applaud your loyalty in sticking by him
	TASlowHands:	Not at all, this coward would have never admitted this until it all caved in on him
	TACeeSerps:	Came clean after it was decided that 100% he had cheated... wow I wish that worked on my EX
	x5.Revenant:	^What Slowhand said, and he misled everyone around like dogs.
	mGGAequitas:	he wasted many hours of people's time by not admitting to it, only when proven did he stop lying
	neKo:	No he "came clean" when everybody found out exactly what had happened. Don't try and make excuses
	nirvAnA:	What edge said. But i feel sorry for you because he invloved and misled you too
	RicocheT:	+1 to Edge's comment
	Dox:	what if he cheated on you! you'd want him to own up before you found out? ^o^
	Strafe:	Little girl: It doesn't take balls to come clean after you got caught red handed.
	TAriiChard:	do u know how much time was wasted?
	Bash:	Telling someone to die is one of the most depressing things to read.people need to learn where to stop with insults.
	NvPinder:	WHAT this is retarded, he denied cheating all the way till 100% proven, rofl.

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

EdgE: *
we see an example here

LOL
10char

**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:53 PM

I heard Mafia was going to shout us sydney siders drinks with THE MONEY THAT WILLBE RIGHTFULLY RETURNED TO HIM.

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ROOT`iaguz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I heard Mafia was going to shout us sydney siders drinks with THE MONEY THAT WILLBE RIGHTFULLY RETURNED TO HIM.

I take my payment in White Russians thanks.

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ToR.Arnor:

BLACK RUSSIANS ARE BETTER

TABiggun · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

I take my payment in White Russians thanks.

Black Russians are for real men yo

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ToR.Arnor:

THIS

**TheGentleman** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:56 PM

It's a shame that it took an entire community to bring a cheater to justice.

Thank you for apologising.

Stay clean bro, cheating just isn't ever worth it.

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**nGenLight** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 11:57 PM

AsGNabi: N YOU ARE still defending the guy that literally lied to your face and had you defend him this whole time? YOU, not just anyone, his better half, his significant other. WTF?

I don't really mean it when I tell someone to go die in a fire. But out of respect for you, go die in a fire Chobo.

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AsGNabi · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

AsGNabi: N YOU ARE still defending the guy that literally lied to your face and had you defend him this whole time? YOU, not just anyone, his better half, his significant other. WTF?

I don't really mean it when I tell someone to go die in a fire. But out of respect for you, go die in a fire Chobo.

He told me a little white lie, about a game. Big deal. If I was a real ***** I would make a fuss about it, but to be honest I don't really care. I never had to defend him, in fact I was told to stay out of it because things would become too personal. Of course I'm going to stand up for him because (duh) he's my partner, and I know what he has accomplished fairly. At the same time there is no excuse for his wrong doing and him coming clean should not effect any less on the severity of his punishment.

Edit: Lol Revenant. Don't even. ^_^

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	iM tgun:	Are you faithful to him? Yes. Is it smart to be this faithful without realising what happened? Nope.
	mGGAequitas:	how do you know what he has accomplished fairly he lied to your face once...
	ROOTPetraeus:	no
	Snx.FigJig:	why the hate? you expect her to leave chobo or something because of this? pathetic
	Bash:
	deL:	dump his ass

NvJazBas · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

He told me a little white lie, about a game. Big deal. If I was a real bitch I would make a fuss about it, but to be honest I don't really care. I never had to defend him, in fact I was told to stay out of it because things would become too personal. Of course I'm going to stand up for him because (duh) he's my partner, and I know what he has accomplished fairly. At the same time there is no excuse for his wrong doing and him coming clean should not effect any less on the severity of his punishment.

Stop using those 2 words. "Coming clean"

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AsGNabi:

Zzzzzzzz

TASlowHands · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

He told me a little white lie, about a game. Big deal. If I was a real ***** I would make a fuss about it, but to be honest I don't really care. I never had to defend him, in fact I was told to stay out of it because things would become too personal. Of course I'm going to stand up for him because (duh) he's my partner, and I know what he has accomplished fairly. At the same time there is no excuse for his wrong doing and him coming clean should not effect any less on the severity of his punishment.

Edit: Lol Revenant. Don't even. ^_^

Nice of you to stand up for your partner, but this says a lot about his character

Big deal, this is a game? Maybe to you and your BF, but to many in this community it's a passion. Chobo and his friend basically stole money from this community through deceitful means. That says a lot about his character to me.

Since this is all just a game to him im sure he wont miss competitive starcraft 2, because to many of us it isnt just a game, but that selfish oaf of a man probably never considered that.

AsGNabi · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TASlowHands

Nice of you to stand up for your partner, but this says a lot about his character

Big deal, this is a game? Maybe to you and your BF, but to many in this community it's a passion. Chobo and his friend basically stole money from this community through deceitful means. That says a lot about his character to me.

Since this is all just a game to him im sure he wont miss competitive starcraft 2, because to many of us it isnt just a game, but that selfish oaf of a man probably never considered that.

I understand that. What I was trying to portray is that it's just a game to me, not to you guys or to him. I've got more important things to worry about like two jobs and uni.

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Kepler · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

I understand that. What I was trying to portray is that it's just a game to me, not to you guys or to him. I've got more important things to worry about like two jobs and uni.

The fact is that there was money involved this time. I work and go to uni as well as you know, but I still think this was out of line.

TABiggun · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsGNabi

He told me a little white lie, about a game. Big deal. If I was a real ***** I would make a fuss about it, but to be honest I don't really care. I never had to defend him, in fact I was told to stay out of it because things would become too personal. Of course I'm going to stand up for him because (duh) he's my partner, and I know what he has accomplished fairly. At the same time there is no excuse for his wrong doing and him coming clean should not effect any less on the severity of his punishment.

Edit: Lol Revenant. Don't even. ^_^

Don't you see how pathetic this is? He lied to us because he cared about what people thought about him in this game so it clearly isn't 'just a game' for him if he went into such a big effort to lie and make people think he is this gosu player. Pretty retarded.

Also, I hate how you simply shrug this off as "oh no big deal its just a small white lie about a game"
This is so rediculous since this 'game' is a profession for some people and a lot of us spend a hell lot of time playing. This is ESPORTS. It is our hobby and our passion. You come into our community, cheat and steal money? Then shrug it off like its nothing. Cheating is a huge offense in any sport, no matter how big or small.

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	nirvAnA:	You caused eddie to close this thread :(
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AsGNabi · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TABiggun

Don't you see how pathetic this is? He lied to us because he cared about what people thought about him in this game so it clearly isn't 'just a game' for him if he went into such a big effort to lie and make people think he is this gosu player. Pretty retarded.

Also, I hate how you simply shrug this off as "oh no big deal its just a small white lie about a game"
This is so rediculous since this 'game' is a profession for some people and a lot of us spend a hell lot of time playing. This is ESPORTS. It is our hobby and our passion. You come into our community, cheat and steal money? Then shrug it off like its nothing. Cheating is a huge offense in any sport, no matter how big or small. I've been nothing but polite to people but I think I really just want to get one thing off my chest:

F U C K Y O U

Woah dude, relax. Again, I said it was nothing to me, not to you guys. You guys will deal with it as you will, and so will I.

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**TheGentleman** · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGentleman

Likes:

*cRneko: *
I don't know why you think he'd still be welcome.

I fixed my post prior to this comment so it might look a little out of place. I'm an optimist I can't help but try and see the good in people.

TAScaramanga · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:10 AM

"The findings will also be posted on TL and Reddit where the two parties involved will be publicly shamed."
Unfortunately I don't think TL nor Reddit will really care about a smurf on SEA

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UHF · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:19 AM

So how much did Seo actually play?

Chobo knocked mOOnGLaDe out of Community Open #58 in the top 8. Which (IIRC) if mOOnGLaDe had won against Chobo, would have qualified for the SEASL Grand Finals. (i think?). Chobo also qualified and played in the SEASL grand finals.

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nirvAnA:

pretty sure it was all seo.

**TAEdgE** · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by UHF

So how much did Seo actually play?

Chobo knocked mOOnGLaDe out of Community Open #58 in the top 8. Which (IIRC) if mOOnGLaDe had won against Chobo, would have qualified for the SEASL Grand Finals. (i think?). Chobo also qualified and played in the SEASL grand finals.

I remember in the SEASL qualifier where I lost to qxc in the semis, 'CHoBo' made the other semi vs axslav. Chobo beat SEA players, including Ninja on the way.

iM MaFia · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:20 AM

pretty sure seo played all games in every tournament, the actual chobo wouldnt be able to beat anyone

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nGenLight:

have some rep for some serious conviction, u guys got him!

aLtNinja · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:39 AM

Yeah, SeohYeon double bunker walled me out of SEASL qualifier that i feel i could have qualified for otherwise. :/

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**Eddie** · Fri, 8th-Jun-2012, 12:50 AM

Thanks to all those who worked hard to find the truth. CHoBo has been found out, and confirmed it himself. Nothing more to be discussed in this thread. CHoBo's punishment shall be determined soon..

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nirvAnA:

Boss close timing, thread was gonna get crazy. :)