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NvRossi · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:50 PM

Introduction

A little history regarding Chobo is the well known fact that he has come out of absolutely nowhere to have a very impressive win rate on SEA with a very unique playstyle. Despite this, chobo has continually failed to represent in specifically LAN environments(losing to masters players at LAN) and online tournaments. Furthermore he even denied offers to join team Carnage(stating he doesn't have the time for a pro team).
The fact that he can be a top tier player capable of defeating the best of the best in both our scene and the NA ladder from being gold 3 months ago is fairly self explanatory imo.

Altogether this leads to players becoming suspicious about his playstyle and even for many to assume he hacks.

+ [Comments from Strafe during a ladder game with Chobo] +

+ [Comments From Tgun in Skype post MC] +

+ [Comments from Jazbas from the previous thread] +

I show these merely to point out the fact that people were already suspicious of his play.

What happens next is very surprising to most... Chobo clean sweeps a field comprising of Enderr, Targa, Yang, Mafia in what can be considered a very one-sided manner.
This is personally what made me look into this situation and made me so convinced that things just didn't add up with this guy and that we had to get to the end of it!

The Path to the Truth
So the path begins when Nirvana comes to me mentioning the fact that i'm looking at the wrong path... that Chobo may actually be having people smurfing on his account.

Exhibit 1

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So now the case widens... Chobo may not even be playing on these accounts at all. How can we prove this?

Well after some searching around we have fairly damning evidence:

Chobo's many Hotkeys setups

Hotkey Setup 1 (BIG THANKS TO MAFIA FOR SHOWING ME THIS VIDEO WHICH LEAD TO THIS)
http://www.twitch.tv/hybridslipper/b/306878207
1-4 Units
5: All Production Facilities
6: Orbital commands
7: Engineering Bay
These hotkeys remain consistent throughout both games in this VOD, big thanks to Navi for having this up!
http://imgur.com/Pdcjm

Hotkey Setup 2
http://www.twitch.tv/asgchobo/b/308023407

1-3: Units
4: Baracks Production
5: Orbital Commands
6: Starport production
This is apparently footage of Chobo streaming
http://imgur.com/XMCTd

Hotkey Setup 3
1. Orbital Commands
2. Expansion
3. Production Facilities
4. Units
http://imgur.com/rGuWG
This is the hotkey setup from the account when it was named Yamama
http://drop.sc/191955

Hotkey Setup 4
1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
7. Expansion 3
8. Expansion 2
9. Expansion 1
0. Oribtal Command
http://imgur.com/NcCCe
http://drop.sc/193167

Most recent hotkey setup found for AsgChobo.

Now i want to focus specifically on hotkey setup number 4 at the moment -remember, there is 4 different hotkey setups all apparently Chobo's- as due to my detective work i have found out who this player actually corresponds to.

You may be wondering to yourself: "how on earth did he find another player who's hotkeys these correspond to?" and lucky for you im going to show you!

To be honest this was a bit of a Hail Mary. Upon looking at www.twitch.tv/asgchobo i noticed something. He was following someones stream....
This person can be seen here http://imgur.com/3Scgk

Now i'm thinking to myself... why on earth would he follow such an obscure player... For those who may not know vvvseohyeon aka lofseohyeon is a high rated Korean GM player who has very little interaction with our community but has laddered on SEA and NA.

So i throw that Hail Mary and check out one of my replays vs VVVSeohyeonfrom NA ladder and notice something very interesting!

Lets just take a look at his hotkeys shall we?
http://i.imgur.com/dgvme.jpg
http://drop.sc/193166

1. Baracks Production
2. Factory Production
3. Starport Production
4. Units
0. Oribtal Command

If you're still skeptical i would love for you to take a look at these replays and compare the initial 4 minutes of game time to compare the habit and tendency for the way that seohyeon rotates through his hotkeys.... for example at the beginning of the game he sets CC to 1-4 and 0, then continues to rotate the 1-4 hotkeys.

Sc2gears Analysis

This picture details 3 games of VVVseohyeon and his standard hotkey graph
http://imgur.com/dsnOl

This picture details 3 games of AsgChobo and his standard hotkey graph compaerd to vvvseohyeons from the previous image

http://imgur.com/DiOQg

I simply grabbed random replays for this test and found it to be pretty dam accurate...

I would like to make the claim that it was seohyeon playing on Chobo's account on Sunday in the masters cup.

OK YOU STILL WANT MORE PROOF?

http://challonge.com/mc15 VVVseohyeon plays in this masters cup, Chobo does not ( THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL MASTERS CUP)

http://challonge.com/mc16
http://challonge.com/mc17

Chobo plays in these 2 cups that are SEA only... Worth thinking about. These are the only masters cups that these 2 players play in.

More?

Chobo and Seohyeon both love a good 2 racks... One thing i noticed both these players do where they both already have the exact same hotkey setup is that they actually both hotkey the 2 baracks seperately!

Heres some more exhibits...

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=76m0s An example of his proxy 2 racks and bunker wallin as exhibited vs enderr in the masters cup

http://www.twitch.tv/limjinsutpz/b/320262962?t=83m0s and another!

and a replay pack of chobo's 2 rackses

http://www.mediafire.com/?8c54p4t5spp9q03

Too similar to dispute.

Mafia wanted me to just keep it simple so heres 2 examples of 2 racks in which the hotkeys follow the exact same path

http://drop.sc/193171
http://drop.sc/193172

Conclusion

I think its finally safe to say that AsgChobo has not been honest with us and thus everything he has said to us so far has to be treated with a grain of salt.

lets take a trip down memory lane and have a look at some of the bullshit he has tried to feed us...

starting with my personal favourite

AsgChobo: "I dont have anything to hide"

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Lastly i want to take a look at Chobo's path up until this point and my interpretation of it.
Chobo starts out with some harmless portrait farming in season 2(indicated by http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=753 yet hilariously denied by chobo). He then provides or pays multiple people to smurf on his account for him to achieve significantly high win ratios and rankings on the SEA ladder. As his confidence grows so is his willingess to risk it all. this is simply my opinion in regards to the hacks as i still find there were so many signifcant signs of hacking.

I want to end on this note that i feel most of us would share... (thanks to NvPinder for the video)

You Tube

Quick Comments

	iM MaFia:
	syfMiley:	hardy evidence
	TAEdgE:
	TAminimat:
	NvJazBas:	gg. ******* disgusting
	Baldie:
	Pox:
	[TA]LoSt:	Seeya mate..
	Cyanide:	looks pretty damning imo
	Maynarde:	Amazing detective work lol
	Insom:
	FvRphoneheha:	Holy shit
	souljah:	good detective work hard-on boys =)
	zenabi:	This the type of stuff that was needed to be brought forward. Well done, mr holmes
	Eddie:
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	Rossi you rule
	iMSystem:	This babe needs a Pizza for all his hard work!
	Zepph:
	TABiggun:	***** got fucked
	mGGDaedalus:
	Shieldz:	OP
	inFeZa:	You deserve credit for this work
	TCPLemminks:	for the effort
	syfPhoenix:	bye bye
	deL:	these gave me raging clues
	ToR.Arnor:	good work
	TAriiChard:
	Neoneoz:	detective rossi !
	mOOnGLaDe:
	BearPack:
	Another:	thread of the year, well done dude
	iVnStinger:
	xGKingdelete:
	Chappo:
	Makuly:
	crAzerk:	hardyboyz
	Nemo:	Impressive work Rossi ! Your efforts unraveled the truth
	x5.Revenant:	Have all my rep and babies!
	nGenLight:	almost forgot
	aLtNinja:	TOO GOOD
	nirvAnA:
	LGShaft:
	TAhackdZ:	I have a raging clue right about now!
	mGMUSE:	i liek entourage
	asdfSchnitzel:	Holy crap the rep list is long! o.0
	neKo:

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:52 PM

hey I just caught you and you denied it, but you were smurfing so own up maybe?

Quick Comments

	syfMiley:	and all the hardy boys, try to chaaaaaseeeeeeee me
	ToR.Arnor:	Tim, I <3 you but i HATE that song :(
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	LOL omg hahahah
	Maynarde:	+1 for detective skills
	syfChadMann:	Hey you just posted, and arnor negg'd you - but here's some rep - you deserved it
	iMSystem:
	mGGAequitas:	LOL
	Zepph:	COUNTERNEG
	TABiggun:	:)
	sRDante:
	neKo:
	ROOTPetraeus:	you thought he was maphacking
	mGMUSE:	gay song

ikki · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:56 PM

Rossi to join the hardy boys.

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syfChadMann:

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:57 PM

Will be posting this incident in PlayXP site. vVvSeohyeon also deserves to get punished in some way or at least to get his reputation down to the drain.

I'll be suprised to see ANYONE argue back at Rossi.

Also note that, he qualified for SEASL beating Glade on hes way. Pretty sure it wasn't chobo himself beating him.

Quick Comments

	TAEdgE:	seohyeon - the one korean SPR hates. god he is a bm cheesy bastard!
	Shieldz:	^ lol
	MooZfY:	i like koreans

NvPinder · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 8:58 PM

You should've stuck to maphacking, we could've never 100% proved it and you would've "technically" got away with it. Too bad you apparently still couldn't win doing that so you went ahead and got a smurf to play tournaments for you.

Never show your face in this community again you absolute filthy cheater.

ROOT`iaguz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:00 PM

Yea I can't think of anything reasonable to say in Chobo's defence here. He's been done.

**BaKaiNu** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:01 PM

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

Edit: I did read it, and this is coming from the fact that you guys are accusing him of hacking, and all I see from rossi's post is that his smurfing. So unless you guys are telling me that there is definite proof that his hacking from rossi's post, i'm not taking back my words.

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	"However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf" <--- Really?
	Uglymutt:	At least let Chobo comment first
	souljah:	just to counter-rep =) there are no absolutes, only the SIth deal in absolutes =)
	Xavi:	I'm gonna have to go with sherlock holmes on this one.
	iMSystem:	How does that not prove it? You serious?
	syfMiley:	it's all there man
	inFeZa:	no
	dippa:	you want a banana mate?
	deL:	You will never prove it 100% unless the hacker is a moron, you need to draw a line
	neKo:	Did you read it ?
	ToRSpartaz:	Im with Souljah on this one, siths deal in absolutes (But some points are fair call.)
	EveMassacrisM:	Yea having identical hotkey setup with another pro he was following isnt conclusive at all
	TADivinity:	Seriously? How much more do you really need?

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

I don't think they are claiming that he is a hacker with this post.
Rossi is stating that he smurfed - and I think it is 100% a correct accusation, not hacking - we are still unsure of that.
HOWEVER, Smurfing like this is cheating.. and cheats don't deserve to be part of this community.

gg - good job Rossi and Co..

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Zepph:

This.

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

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	TAEdgE:
	HuT:	he's so adorable.
	[TA]LoSt:
	iMSystem:
	NvPinder:	I'm going to uprep this instead of downvote the other one.
	iM MaFia:
	inFeZa:	귀여워 :)
	Zepph:	Also this.
	TABiggun:
	VoxMSI.Rogue:
	dippa:	you deserve a man-hug
	Neoneoz:
	iM tgun:	PERFECT.
	TADivinity:	Best thread post on this website. Ever.
	SmirkToT:

jayaiwhy · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:09 PM

Possibility of Smurfing

Thirdly, not many people know this, but someone PMed me about him "paying people to level up his accounts" and that the real chobo was only a diamond skill level player. I thought this was worth an investigation, so unknown to him, i tested this out last night, where I suddenly asked Chobo on skype to get on battle.net and instantly join a channel in bnet. After being brief about the instant joining of channels he did this in 5 seconds. This was to ensure the same chobo i was talking to on skype was the same one i was going to play. I then played a game with him with Rossi watching. I also asked him a personal question in that game which he answered fine. He was clearly top gm level, with the same exact hotkeys. What is the point of all this? This largely eliminates the smurfing possibility which i suspected from someone informing me + the fact he was really quiet in his ladder games whenever I played him (like a different person). This also showed he was being co-operative and wants to clear his name, which brings me to my final point where he provides more evidence.

-Nirvana

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Uglymutt:

Sedz · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:10 PM

CHobo gets coached by seohyeon/another korean pro, so it's not too hard to see how they could have similar hotkey setups and playstyles.

Other than that, this can be easily figured out, corner him when he's online and ask him for games, match up hotkeys and skill. Simple?

EDIT: It looks like Nirvana has already done this.

Quick Comments

	cR.spider8]:	Youre a moonstar mate.
	inFeZa:	one does not simply just switch to a new hotkey setup
	TABiggun:	seo is a broodwar pro who does really specific switches in his hotkey setup. It's clearly him playing on chobos account
	deL:	Sedz this isn't helping your case! Think before your reply if you want to help your teammate!
	neKo:	My name is Sedz, I am the moonstar
	Zealo:	ummm how does this get neg repped? :S

**iMSystem** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:10 PM

There is only 1 solution to all this.

Chobo shall get a fresh new account, and stream himself playing it and getting back to GM. Webcam is a must!

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	Or he could just **** off..
	mGGAequitas:	yep, no need for a new account though
	nirvAnA:

NvJazBas · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:11 PM

Wtf at few people still on chobos side

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	UHF:	It's not about being on 'sides' - it's being 100% thorough
	[TA]LoSt:	Counter-rep
	deL:	counter-rep + jazbas so handsome
	TAriiChard:
	Neoneoz:
	JoFritzMD:	I don't even particularly like this post, I just feel an urge to give him all my rep :S

syfMiley · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:12 PM

YOU WERE A TEMPLAR, CHOBO!
How could you succumb to this coven?!

Quick Comments

	iMSystem:	I bleed?
	Dox:	Look, just over there! I never imagined such a creature.
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	i just laughed so ******* hard at this mileys
	TABottles:	lol
	mOOnGLaDe:
	Asrathiel:	Bwahahahahaha!

NvPinder · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaKaiNu

I would like to say, well done with your detective work.

However, this does not 100% prove that he is a smurf but I am highly leaning that way.

The only thing this shows is that he may possibly smurfed his way through ladder and the tournament. I don't think this gives people enough evidence to definitely prove that he hacked. If this chobo does not have a proper rebuttal for this, I personally say he should be stripped of his master's cup victory.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of other people.

I understand you enjoy banning people but baiting people using posts like this is EXTREMELY unethical.

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	LOL
	ROOT`iaguz:	huh? That's a pretty reasonable post lol
	Snx.FigJig:	nup
	nirvAnA:	exactly what iaguz said
	deL:	Hint: pinder jokes a lot

mGGDaedalus · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Interested to hear what (if anything) chobo has to say in response to this but it looks pretty conclusive to me.

iM MaFia · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedz

CHobo gets coached by seohyeon/another korean pro, so it's not too hard to see how they could have similar hotkey setups and playstyles.

Other than that, this can be easily figured out, corner him when he's online and ask him for games, match up hotkeys and skill. Simple?

EDIT: It looks like Nirvana has already done this.

My reply to you sedz, watch these replays, simple?

http://drop.sc/193171
http://drop.sc/193172

nuff said gg

TACosmic · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:16 PM

inb4 it was his 11/10 korean gm girlfriend playing and not him

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	TAminimat:
	deL:	11/10 stands for his rax build times

**iMSystem** · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:16 PM

Wait, **** this shit. Impromtu Podcast show tomorrow, we go hard out no ******* fluff and call this guy on the show and get the truth!

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	TAminimat:	djsystem!
	nirvAnA:	THIS RIGHT HERE!
	syfPhoenix:

iM SundeR · Thu, 7th-Jun-2012, 9:17 PM

Some people have to realise that players like Mafia and Rossi are putting their own reputations on the line in investigating this so much. It's very confusing to see so many people automatically defending some ridiculous, egotistical chump who has had barely any interaction with this community instead of the people who have been around in this scene for a very, very long time.

What the hell guys?

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	NvJazBas:
	iM MaFia:	some sense in the world finally
	Snx.FigJig:	they must show some disciprine
	TABiggun:
	nGenLight:	The possbility of a "false lynch" can be real scary you know, theres no problem listening to different perspective
	deL:	SundeR brings the ThundeR
	TAriiChard:	^ what mafia said
	ninja brett:
	x5.Revenant:	BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN