Rough Schedule *
Saturday, April 21st 8:30AM: Doors & Registrations Open 10:00AM: Welcome / Opening Ceremony 10:30AM: Open Bracket begins 1:30PM: Lunch Break 2:30PM: Open Bracket Resumes 6:00PM: Championship Group Stages begin 8:30PM: Day 1 wrap up.
Sunday, April 22nd 8:30AM: Doors Open 10:00AM: Championship Bracket Group Stages resume 12:30PM: Championship Bracket begins ** 8:30PM: Day 2 wrap up.
* Schedule subject to change, this is only a draft. Check out tonight's broadcast for the final details.
** Lunch break schedule will need to be a little flexible as some players will have completed their Group Stage matches, whilst later on other players will be waiting for Lower Bracket games to commence.
Entry Fees *
Spectators: Free Open Bracket: $20 ** Championship Bracket: $40
* You can secure these prices by pre-purchasing online at the ACL store. Paying on the day will cost an additional $5.
** If you advance from the Open Bracket to the Championship Bracket, you're required to pay an additional $20.
Maps *
Bel'Shir Beach (Winter Edition)
Tal’darim Altar
Daybreak
Metropolis
Cloud Kingdom
Shakuras Plateau
Ohana **
Korhal Compound
Antiga Shipyard
* As per allofourevents, MLG/GSL editions are to be used as appropriate.
** I'm aware that there are significant balance complaints from Zerg players with regards to Ohana at the moment. However, due to the fact that these maps will be used in the upcoming World Championship Series event, I feel that excluding the map could potentially result more longterm issues for players. Keep in mind that all Championship Bracket participants will receive a generous 3 vetoes per match.
Prizes
1st: $1,000
2nd: $500
3rd: $250
Stream
There will be a dedicated stream for StarCraft 2 which will operate from approximately 11:00AM until 9:00PM on Saturday, and 9:30AM until the closing ceremony on Sunday.
The stream can be accessed (along with a live results and photos feed) at ACLPro.com.au/Stream2.
Administration & Production
Dox: Tournament director & commentary. Come to me about anything. Norksman: Tournament co-ordinator. He'll be managing results when I'm unavailable and ensuring we have matches ready for the stream. Doble: Stream configuration & commentary. If there are any issues with the audio/video/overlays, let me know and I'll relay it back to him. Maynarde: Commentary. inFeZa: Dedicated observer. Cheekyduck & Livibee: These two will be regularly dragging players over to the media area for pre-match interviews.
Additionally, we'll have players making guest appearances on the stream to provide insight and discuss their matches. We'll be taking questions from the stream viewers - so make sure you have some prepared!
Each of the 8 players who advance from the Open Bracket will be invited to select which Championship Group they'll participate in live on stream, so be sure to catch that broadcast on Sunday morning!
Map Selection & Seeding *
Open Bracket: First map is selected for you. Loser picks the 2nd map. Each player can either declare up to 2 vetos before the match has started, or they can choose to veto 1 map on the fly. ** Group Stages: First map is selected for you. Each group starts on a different map. Once the lobby has been hosted, both players take turns vetoing three maps each. From these remaining two maps, each player will nominate the next map(s) to be played in the series. Championship Bracket: Both players take turns vetoing 3 maps, then selecting 2. The remaining map will be played first.
* In all of the above circumstances, the same map cannot be played twice in a single round. If both players cannot reach an agreement on who will veto first, the higher seed will be selected. Consult a tournament administrator for clarification.
** EXAMPLE: You can choose to veto Antiga Shipyard and Tal'Darim Altar before the first game has begun. Alternatively, you might win the first map, and your opponent selects Metropolis as the 2nd map. You can immediately eliminate this map "on the fly", and force your opponent to select a different map. Neither player is required to veto 2 maps, or any maps at all. This is entirely up to each player.
Open Bracket Seeding: Will be based on OVERALL career points. This is the total points you have earned throughout ACL events since league 1.
Group Distribution: There are four criteria that are met when groups are being generated:
1) The overall weight of each group must be as balanced as possible. These values are based on overall career points. *
2) We avoid pairing participants with other players who achieved a podium ranking at the same regional event.
3) Inherently, we try to reduce the number of participants from each region to a maximum of 2.
4) Players representing the same team are not paired.
* Keep in mind that the integrity of the groups is paramount, and item #1 must be satisfied as a priority.
Championship Bracket Seeding: The winner of each group will play the runner up of another group, and so on. The specific pairings will not be made public to discourage players from throwing games.
Question: whats the general level of play in the open bracket??
Also, Dox, you're my hero - and thus, i offer any services/help I can give you. whether it's running around getting stuff/organising. casting. interviewing - i'll be around to help mate (=
see you all there! I'll be the guy wearing the shirt that says Loach on it xD
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Question: whats the general level of play in the open bracket??
I'm afraid I can't tell advise until people have already signed up on Saturday morning. I know there is a pretty diverse mix of participants though, and we had some Gold/Diamond players make it through to the Championship Playoffs @ ACL Gold Coast, so I would strongly recommend participating, no matter what league you're in.
Will it be the same as the ACL rules page says with a predetermined first map per round in the open bracket? I assume there are no vetoes there for maps beyond this first pick either?
Asrath, I have purple/red in my hair too - because I'm rad... but i'll keep an eye out for ya (;
Dox, Thanks mate! I was gonna play anyway, just curious is all! Gonna have fun no matter what!!!!!
I'll come up on the day and offer u any help so u know where to find me mate.
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Of course you can, I underlined "anything" specifically in the hopes you'd ask me such intimate, unrelated questions.
I've updated the rules page to reflect the new maps. As for Erasmus' question, I've removed that part from the rules page, and now it simply says to refer to the brackets for details. I'm going to edit the OP of THIS thread now, to explain the map selection process for the Open Bracket, Group Stages and Championship Bracket. I'll also be explaining how seeding works. Check back in five.
OP updated with map selection, veto's, seeds and blah blah blah. We're going live in 1 hour. Be sure to tune in.
Within 2 hours of our broadcast, Dingobloo has blown my mind once again with a fully updated Liquipedia page. Be sure to check it out, and please send him mountains of gratitude for his selfless contributions!
Excuse me , i would like to ask if any other xeria playing is this ? Poker , JazBas ?
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Our top 8 from the Open Bracket have been decided! They're still playing off to determine who gets to pick their groups first, but here's the list in no particular order:
GGWP all involved and congratulations to Glade, Targa and PiG for taking the top 3.
Special shoutout to Maynarde and all the co casters who did amazing jobs keeping the enthusiasm and energy flowing for such an intense few days of casting ♥
Also inFeZa you sexy obs beast you
And of course all the admin/volunteers and players behind it all!
Finally finished. Packing up and clearing out the venue took quite some time. At the Aus Gaming House now. GLaDe, Livi and Norksman found beds to crash in. Pinder, myself and Jerds are sitting around chatting with Pandan. deth is asleep on the floor. We've got 4 or so hours to kill before we head to the airport and make our journeys home.
OMFG I just wrote a page long post and accidentally deleted it. fml
I'll summarise:
*Great tournament, shame I lost cos of tiredness (and a bit of framelag). But some of my wins were surely cos opponent was tired so I can't say it skewed the tournament results too far.
*Big thanks to everyone who helped host and organise the event: Dox, Norksman, Maynarde, Doble, Team managers and players, Vanz, Parker and co., Supporters like Asrath n Drgoose who stayed for finals, TAboys +jimdiddy gettin drunk during the semis and finals was hilarious.
*Even fraglabs bearded support guy was very nice and helpful. Not his fault the laptops were having really bad framerates.
*the Asus pcs had alot of troubles, shame they spent more time maintaining the display pcs then providing any fixes for these ones.
Thanks to yang for sick music. Targa for being cocky enough to motivate SEA players to play better. Glade for showing when he has to dig deep, he can do it.
Ninja for 4-1 his group when no1 thought he was a favourite for even 2nd place. And then after slipping up vs glade to lose 2-1 despite having a clear lead he demolished the lower bracket only to lose to Targa at 1.30am looking extremely exhausted and clearly not playing anything near his standard game. 4th place = no money, and always forgotten. But I have no doubt Ninja would have come top 2 if it the tournament finished earlier in the day when he had energy to keep competing. Bl to SQLNinja baller breakout performance of the tournament.
Vanz etc will surely improve this event next time.
My suggestions:
1) Norksman needs an underling to catch people laddering and wasting time and hurry them up.
2) Teammates forced to play first in group play when possible to avoid thrown matches, this wasn't an issue in this tournament but could be in future.
3) SC2 viewing area like on the 2nd day, set up on the first day, with volume just high enough so the audience can hear it. Makes live spetating experience much nicer.
4) Terrans and protoss train harder and make it out of groups you bastards.
Not sure if anyone else has said it, but awesome event!
The organisers and hosts (who PiG has named) did a great job, especially Dox and Norksman. Seriously, all us players have to do is play games, they do all the hard work!
Is there a playlist of the songs that were playing throughout?
Also, sorry iaguz for letting you down
Sorry to Pinder as well. I knew who you were, it was just confusing because everyone was facing the other way ><
Still in sydney, losing at the laggest net cafe in NSW and nursing a hangover T_T
This event was absolutely amazing, seeing everyone from online, new and old was ******* awesome. Once you go to one of thse events you wanna go to them all, and I didnt even play (showed up late hungover and depressed), but really meeting everyone and speccing games was way worth it.
Finally got to meet my fellow tier 4 rapist Divinity
Shoutout to Ninja, who was an absolute beast all weekend, and taking a game off a previously confident Targa
Special shoutout to Chad for looking after us all and moving us along when we caused a 'disturbance'
Pig, wish you could have drank with us and a shame the event ran so long, but I think everyone did a great job considering how long it went
Awesome event, glad I came the 2nd day too even though I got knocked out. Was good fun meeting everyone - EVERYONE who came along was extremely friendly and up for a laugh, SEA community is great.
Adding to this thread, I think something that is important is not delaying the bracket in order to stream games and showing high piriortity games for example "Streaming Light vs Glade" in the group stage which was amazing series
first day's delays was something like the moonstar's guide to tournament management (me + chadmann's set got delayed 4 times for other games to be streamed and then a 5th time so they could get pinder to cast it) but it's all cool since we had an awesome time
just like to give a shoutout to [TA]LoSt for being such a massive vagina by asking us to peg stuff at his nuts and then dodging every time we got close
hopefully there'll be lots of replays from the event also! if not, doesn't matter, we all had a ball and everyone, you're all awesome
It was such an amazing event shame I was only watching the stream. stream was amazing quality, having the participants cast on occasions was fantastic, never thought some players especially tgun and deth would pull it off so well.
i think the breaks in between streamed matches should have something like a list of players that are currently playing matches off stream, or a quick preview on the brackets. Only having the acl logo and the cam on the spectators stage was a bit boring at times. Was improved on Sunday though as there was more footage of what was actually happening in the SC2 part of ACL.
The awkwardly cute interviews were great, but there should of been a bigger variety of interviews, :P too many people got interviewed more than twice and livi and cheeky duck run out of things to say.i suggest interviews for after matches only. maybe a few quick words before they play.
Didn't really like the interviews done on the CoD players on Sunday though, they really didn't say much and it was pretty awkward (not in a funny/ cute kind of way)
Congrats to Nv.Mopglade, Shame i wasn't awake enough to watch 4 hours of zvz (not my cup of tea)
also a clap for Targa and PiG. Techtron, Iagus, & Yang for some of the amazing games I watched on teh streams. and a for deth, and all the acl staff.
edit: extra for infeza's korean casting.
FIIRST BLOOD!
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Only caught snippets of it here and there (i.e. yoon v jazbaz), but I really loved the whole showing-players'-reactions-after game : Those who were watching should recall jazbas' expression of jubilation - a look of disbelief his face with his hands behind his head, a broad smile uncontrollably spreading across his face - after he beat yoon in the final game.
Never knew deL had such a sexy voice too lol!
EDIT: Thanks guys fixed the silly error
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Lots of people have said awesome event but I would go so far as to say Epic. Clocking in at almost 30 hours of streaming out of the weekends 42 a mammoth effort.
Advise for next time, give people times till next game as accurately as possible on the stream. I noticed the stream would always slowly decay on breaks between sets with no known time they didnt know when to come back. I know this is hard but it will help keep a lot more viewers for the majority of the stream rather than watch one set then go somewhere else. Side note the second day when you had the names of people seemed to hold more people.
Advise for sponsors have a nice quick link to the featured product of advertisement on your front page well the event is running. Example Fraglabs having quick link to ACL laptops build somewhere in the laptop section or sponsored events section so we can see this and maybe impulse buy it. I checked out a few of their websites and it was somewhat of a challenge to work out what the featured product of advertisement was at ACL. Also on this note to the casters try to limit speaking of non sponsor things. There wasnt much but there was a little.
All in all a great event can not speak highly enough of the work people have done to achieve this. Not just those mentioned as directly working on ACL but all of the SEA community supporters. It really is a testament to how awesome the gaming community is in Australia and SEA. Remember if you buy a product sponsoring ACL let them know you noticed the advertisement from ACL. It helps make numbers add up and turn numbers into faces.
Staff were friendly, hardworking (working around the clock). There should be name tags next time so it will be easier to show our appreciation for the staff, and for the players/staff to communicate more efficiently. We know who Dox and Vance are, but there were a few familiar faces whom I don't even know the names of, that were putting in a mighty effort the entire time.
Production was absolutely FAN-TAS-TIC. Maynarde & Co putting a terrific and lengthy effort definitely deserves props.
Organisation/scheduling was abit flimsy - I am slightly abit more critical about this as I happen to be the biggest victim of such(Tied first-place in group, no time for tiebreaker). But I do understand it was caused by unexpected events. However, ofcourse these things can be prevented in the future.
Dissappointed in my own play but the more experienced(I refuse to say better to keep the drama flowing) players got the better of me in some really crazy series. Also a little dissappointed for myself personally that I didn't get to play in any streamed games, or do any pre/post game interviews.
Was great to see everyone and meet a few new faces.
In terms of competition, MG still the man to beat, Ninja solidifying his place as most improved of 2012 so far and one of the few names capable of taking away MG's throne. Good to see Delete coming from the open bracket to rep Protoss, saw some great games with him vsing Pokerface - Protoss winning a base race against Mutas, WTF LOL? Top 8 Zerg was a little dissappointing, with the Terrans and Protosses barely missing out - definitely need to step it up! Although getting LAN would help, ALOT.
Despite all these great things, Iaguz stays European, rendering the entire event a big dissappointment.
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IMO the production was really international standards GG WP~!
I had Dreamhack, MLG, and ACL streams open over the weekend, but I found myself spending more time and enjoying ACL the most. Perhaps its the abundance of the swarm but nevertheless, great job to all players + casters + crew.
Great quality stream, player reactions, roaming camera and casting. Just wanted to echo the others that the downtime would be alot easier to manage if you could put up an approximate time for the next game. The only other issue was the lack of results coverage of games not on stream. Dox did a decent job of updating individual results in the OP. However, he had so much on his plate you really needed a dedicated updater as well as up to date group standings so we could see how our mates are doing relative to their groups without having to write it out ourselves (I ended up updating TLPD groups off dox's updates in frustration at how behind it was). It'd also be nice if the casters could mention other results and group standings more often during the casts.
This is all nitpicking though, from watching the stream it was far and away the best sc2 event australia's had to date so kudos to the ACL team and helpers (even with the zzz ro8)
It'd also be nice if the casters could mention other results and group standings more often during the casts.
This is easy to do without the casters saying a word, something like what I did during Master's Cup, just have some text that you can update that scrolls of whatever saying updates and information.
The stream this time was such a great improvement than GC and all that remains is the little things, which can be easily fixed in a heartbeat!
To echo what everyone else said, great event. I enjoyed most of it (even though it finished so late every day and I was exhausted and just collapsed into bed every night when i got home) and am definitely planning on making the trip down to melbourne for that one when it happens.
It was great meeting all of the Brisbane and Melbourne people and putting faces to names. For some reason before this event I thought Infeza looked similar to Pinder. :S
Getting to know people like crackhands (he single handedly made me want to BM on ladder 10x more then I do now), Chad (sexiest wog I've ever seen), deth (he didn't want to kill me which made me happy), Yang (who i'm definitely going to force some free coaching out of ), and about every other person (who i'm too lazy to write their names out for) was pretty fun and I definitely will be looking forward to seeing everyone again at the next event.
A big thankyou to everyone who actually made this event possible. I have no idea who everyone was who helped out but i'm personally amazed that the event actually finished that night (thank god SEA isn't T dominated ).
As a viewer on the stream, I have to say I was really entertained with the casting that Maynarde and others who hopped in stream did. I thought it was great that the production had a lot of Live Cameras around the event for viewers on stream that can't attend. It really gave me the whole atmosphere of how ACL went, only thing is maybe while the cameraman walks around zooming into people and focusing on some players, maybe he can carry a mic around and talk? It felt like it would've been even better like that.
But for sure, biggest event for SEA and of course Australia as of yet. Really really really well done! I think as a spectator really got to give it up to Maynarde for making me laugh and entertained throughout the day.
Ah, and another thing. Interviewing players was great. I loved how most of the matches were interviewed and it was nice to hear some people you'd never really hear much from!
Just want to say a HUGE THANK YOU to the community for coming down to this event and watching at home!!
Time Delays
A mixture of player time wasting combined with communication between the tournament runners & stream team caused unfavourable delays. Next events will see 1-2 additional 'enforcer referees' recruited to ensure this NEVER occurs again. We will not be lenient on laddering and/or time wasting (especially in the middle of series).
Updated Brackets.
We have a staff member whose only job is to ensure brackets are updated and use social media. Unfortunately Dox uses prehistoric excel sheets for tournament which made it harder to update easily . We will force Dox to go to the dark side and use a web friendly (instant update) version rather than his excel doc in future.
Is there a playlist for music used?
Yes. Was only 97 songs. Sorry to those who were forced to listen to them on loop. Will increase that for next time. Contact me if you want the actual list.
Additional Improvements
- More xG Light on stream and interviews
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Fantastic event to watch. Caught it all from start to finish. Very impressed by how it was run. Loved the views of the place and the guest commentators. Congrats to GLaDe and all who played. It is destination: Melbourne though for Carnage and we will be there to tear shit up!
Might as well give my 2c on the event and everything like everyone else.
I had an absolute blast. If I flew down and didn't even play I still would've had a great time and enjoyed myself; good times and lots of laughs were had. The more of these I go to the more people I meet and the better it gets, being able to walk from one side of the room to another and having 5 conversations with different people on the way. Had a great time shit talking with Kez, LOADS of laughs with Champi (seriously, I don't think there was a moment we weren't laughing about something stupid) and meeting all the Sydney TA boys that I've spoken to online for years.
I must say a big shout out to HuT. As much as things between us had been sorted online and just brushed away as nothing, there had been bad blood between us and it was a bit awkward for both of us not introducing ourselves to each other etc. However, he came up and sat next to me to watch me vs Fenner and gave me someone to discuss the games, really helpful.. Thanks man. ^_^
The production crew work their asses off to get everything done and it's so hard to manage something this big effectively, but they're getting there. Practice makes perfect and they're damn close!
Can't wait for Melbourne.
EDIT: And the footage! Can't wait to see it!
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What a great weekend of entertainment. I managed to catch a fair bit of the stream on Saturday, and did a 9am-1am stint (couldn't make it to the finals!) on Sunday.
Pretty fantastic quality overall! The production was great and from what I could see the venue looked great. You could tell that both the staff and players put a lot of prepation into this event. The level of play was really high, with a lot of meta-gaming and new strategies being thrown around. I was really impressed the the final group of players that, whilst probably suffering exhaustion, put out some really good games right until the end.
Even though it probably doesn't mean so much coming from me, thanks to all those involved as it was really enjoyable to watch.
Some notes from the stream side (just nitpicking)
- Lengthy periods between games, especially on Saturday. Sunday afternoon was great as they really punched through those games. (Understandably it's hard to get players organised, keep the brackets flowing & keep the stream satisfied)
- Casters probably don't need to introduce themselves so often
- Interviews were great, but some of the more impromptu ones got really awkward (some of the players didn't know how to answer the questions)
- Knowing whats going on! At times we didn't really know what was going on and when. Sometimes soon meant 2 minutes, other times it was 30+ minutes.
I'm really looking forward to the next one, and would love to attend in person (even if I wouldn't know a single person there)
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Forget the players, games and organisers, best part of ACL Sydney were the Lovesacs! Will not come to another ACL unless I am guaranteed one to sleep on when I've been there for over 12+ hours :P
*Even fraglabs bearded support guy was very nice and helpful. Not his fault the laptops were having really bad framerates.
James was really apologetic for this; sadly ACL Sydney landed at an extremely unfortunate time for them. They are only days away from launching their new range of 380 models, so their best gear isn't available at the moment. The laptops we had this weekend were only running ~340's and although they performed adequately during testing, it obviously became a bit of an issue when 200/200 armies were clashing and there was a lot of animation like creep, fungals, etc on the screen at once. We can't apologise for this enough - you can be sure it won't happen again.
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*the Asus pcs had alot of troubles, shame they spent more time maintaining the display pcs then providing any fixes for these ones.
I need to speak with the rest of the team to identify exactly what the deal was with these. We had 3 of them DOA before the event even began, with several more falling apart throughout the event. Such a shame.
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4th place = no money, and always forgotten.
I don't think anyone will forget Ninja's performance this weekend. Alongside Myuu and delete, these guys really tore it up!
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Ninja would have come top 2 if it the tournament finished earlier in the day
This is the part where I elaborate on all of our shortcomings. I haven't read any further in the thread yet, so for all I know, someone may have already addressed this over the next page or two. Fingers crossed...
1) The Saturday delay. Long story short: we picked up a whole new array of equipment for the stream, granting us a whole new plateau of animation capabilities. Like, GSL quality stuff. We were really excited about showcasing this for ACL Sydney. But unfortunately one of the most vital pieces of equipment was no longer functioning, despite our tests the night beforehand. So this forced us to completely scrap the stream configuration and come up with something entirely different with what we could scrap together. The stream team are absolute magicians. So anyway, this took us until nearly 12:00PM to get up and running, when we were hoping to kick off at 10:30. But the real kicker was that it had not only delayed the tournament, but the entire schedule. Our registrations and payments were delayed by an hour, the opening ceremony was nearly an hour late. The whole thing just snowballed and we were on the backfoot before we'd even begun.
2) The Open Bracket. There's no clearer way to say this: I messed up. 100% me. I didn't manage the players efficiently enough, which resulted in people (yet again) taking eachothers PC's, or sitting around laddering after their matches instead of freeing up the computers for others to play. Some people had to wait over 2 hours for a computer to be made available whilst others were playing micro trainers and whatnot. Also, you might recall I said we were going to have lanyards & nametags for ACL Sydney. I left the order too late and they didn't arrive in time, so again I found myself chasing up 20+ people I wasn't familiar with. Most of the time, it would only be 5 or 10 minutes before they wandered over to the desk to see if their match was ready, but those minutes really start to add up when they're happening half a dozen times per round. I'm gonna start a few new paragraphs for my own tangents before I continue responding to posts.
2b) Some comments will inevitably be made that holding games for the stream was a detriment. It wasn't. At no point throughout the event was the bracket delayed due to streamed matches. I managed this particular aspect of the event with extreme efficiency. The problem was, however, is that although we would schedule matches, the casting desk had absolutely no direction. So more often than not, we had both players and the commentators sitting in the game lobby for 15+ minutes waiting for a green light to proceed. This didn't even occur to me until half way through day 2. So in future events, I'm going to look at having the admin desk relocated right next to the commentary desk, so that I can play more of a director role to the stream team. Furthermore, we'll capitalise on this to bring results directly from the admin desk to the stream viewers between matches.
2c) One of our biggest sources of delays was one that could only be identified in retrospect. Our production team was itching to deliver so much premier content on day 1 that it really had an impact on our turnaround. We had pre-game interviews, post-game interviews, we had players seated at a feature station so we could provide a quality cinematic experience. This is all great stuff, but we should not have done this on Saturday. In future, we'll just be churning out Open Bracket matches as fast as possible. We'll move players around as little as possible (you still need to take your allocated seats though) and the stream won't wait for anything. We'll bring all that great production over to Sunday and allow the Group Stages / Championship Bracket to absorb those luxuries. Anyone reading this will be thinking, "Well duh, that's common sense." But as I said, we had so many wonderful production resources available to us that it was just lost amongst the commotion. I still stand by the opinion that ACL's production is second to none. We just need better direction. I really hope to provide this at ACL Melbourne.
2d) In future I'm going to be delegating results to Linc (Norksman). I'm sure many of you witnessed my frustration as I was interrupted by questions and requests whilst in the middle of entering results, only to have to chase you down and clarify the score. This is no-one's fault but mine - I insisted on juggling too much. I'm happy for you guys to ask questions and I apologise for constantly holding up my hand and asking you to wait whilst I sat around chasing my tail. I'm not used to having assistants to help out, so I'll manage these resources better in future. Having said that, this weekend would not have been possible without Linc. He was an invaluable resource, and I'm actually scared to think how distastrous things would have been if I hadn't brought him on board.
2e) Two way streets. I'm going to pre-face by highlighting a conversation I had with MaFia on Sunday afternoon. This tournament format and atmosphere is a very new thing to many Australian gamers. Over time, the expectations of the admins and the players will become mutually familiar. We'll have a better understanding of how the event is intended to operate and things will naturally smooth themselves out. So I don't necessarily feel that any changes are necessary in this department. But I still think it's important that I highlight a few key areas where the players can "help me help you." Firstly, you MUST take your assigned seat. If it's not available, please notify us. Don't just grab the next closest one. Our entire schedule balances delicately on top of knowing who is playing who and when. As soon as you start playing a match, we've already allocated who is going to be playing on your PC once you're done. Sometimes that person will be you, but in the early stages, it's more than likely going to be someone else. This is just a limitation of resources, and will improve over time. But it's critical that you respect the admins and your fellow players in this regard. If you experienced frustration over having to wait for a computer this weekend, consider that someone else may have been in the exact same situation whilst you were laddering. Furthermore, we had spectators using computers again. It was actually the same people I had to repeatedly ask to get off computers at ACL Gold Coast. You cannot imagine my disappointment. These computers are here for tournament purposes only. Not for you to update Facebook or chat on SC2SEA. The next thing I want to highlight is results. You MUST report these results to the admin desk immediately after your match is complete. I know it's nice to stand around and talk about your games with your friends/opponent after it's over, and we all get pretty wrapped up in it. But we need your results as a priority. More often than not, we were chasing results rather than having them brought to us. And we'd be sourcing them second-hand from spectators or match history. I'm not gonna lie, we lost more than 2 hours this weekend just chasing down results. And finally, the last thing I need to highlight. When your match is announced, you're under an obligation to start it within 5-10 minutes. I respect that sometimes it takes 5 minutes to set up your equipment and get all of your settings right. But you don't need to play 15 minutes of micro trainer before every match. And as much as I appreciate the social aspect of the event - it's honestly the best part - when you're finishing veto'ing maps with your opponent, don't stand around chatting for 10 minutes before taking your seats. You need to start the game immediately. On that note, try to manage the vetos a little faster if possible. I extended an olive branch this weekend by removing the "pre-determined map" from the Group Stages, only to lose precious hours in the long run. Now I know this paragraph seems terribly negative, so I'm gonna retreat back to my original statement before closing out - I honestly feel that all of this is just growing pains, as players familiarise themselves with this sort of large-scale atmosphere. The more ACL's you attend, the more natural this entire process will feel, and we'll be smooth sailing in no time.
3) Tiny nitpick. We had labeled computers for the players by hanging numbered banners from each chair. Not only did I see spectators taking these chairs away from the playing area so they could gather around their friends - but they tore the numbers off too! Please consider the impact of your actions.
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2) Teammates forced to play first in group play when possible to avoid thrown matches, this wasn't an issue in this tournament but could be in future.
This will definitely be enforced in future. I was disappointed to hear this being abused over the weekend.
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3) SC2 viewing area like on the 2nd day, set up on the first day, with volume just high enough so the audience can hear it. Makes live spetating experience much nicer.
Agreed. We're still a new title to ACL and our resources are limited, but just like MLG - I can assure you we'll be the flagship title in no time. I'll try to make sure this happens for Melbourne.
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4) Terrans and protoss train harder and make it out of groups you bastards.
Heck yes.
In closing, I'm absolutely ashamed that we went 5 hours overtime for this event. We budgeted for a much larger number of participants in the open bracket and were prepared to manage it. Due to an array of small issues, everything snowballed into one of the most painfully long events of all time. I can't apologise enough. Never again, you have my word. This post has become quite the essay already, so I'm gonna hit submit before I start reading the rest of the thread. I'll try to be concise.
ACL Sydney was an amazing event to be a part of! Even though it might of went a bit too late :P everyone was in the same boat, so it's hard to complain competitor wise.
Even though the top 8 was zerg i feel it was really enjoyable games! And i'm glad i got to battle the norwegian big boss targa in the finals and take on the strategy that got me when we fought in brisbane, though we both looked like we were going to die irl at almost 3am after it >o<
Must say more lovesacs at the event would be great, they are so damn comfy!
The ACL staff as usual were friendly and helpful and i feel it ran very well despite delays, Dox as usual did a great job running the tournament!
Staff were friendly, hardworking (working around the clock). There should be name tags next time so it will be easier to show our appreciation for the staff, and for the players/staff to communicate more efficiently. We know who Dox and Vance are, but there were a few familiar faces whom I don't even know the names of, that were putting in a mighty effort the entire time.
Production was absolutely FAN-TAS-TIC. Maynarde & Co putting a terrific and lengthy effort definitely deserves props.
Organisation/scheduling was abit flimsy - I am slightly abit more critical about this as I happen to be the biggest victim of such(Tied first-place in group, no time for tiebreaker). But I do understand it was caused by unexpected events. However, ofcourse these things can be prevented in the future.
Dissappointed in my own play but the more experienced(I refuse to say better to keep the drama flowing) players got the better of me in some really crazy series. Also a little dissappointed for myself personally that I didn't get to play in any streamed games, or do any pre/post game interviews.
Was great to see everyone and meet a few new faces.
In terms of competition, MG still the man to beat, Ninja solidifying his place as most improved of 2012 so far and one of the few names capable of taking away MG's throne. Good to see Delete coming from the open bracket to rep Protoss, saw some great games with him vsing Pokerface - Protoss winning a base race against Mutas, WTF LOL? Top 8 Zerg was a little dissappointing, with the Terrans and Protosses barely missing out - definitely need to step it up! Although getting LAN would help, ALOT.
Despite all these great things, Iaguz stays European, rendering the entire event a big dissappointment.
Is there a playlist of the songs that were playing throughout?
I'll grab this for you tomorrow.
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Special shoutout to Chad for looking after us all and moving us along when we caused a 'disturbance'
Actually this reminds me of something I left out in my last post. I'm sure it goes without saying, but please don't get drunk during the events. I'm all for after-parties and I'm always the first to laugh at peoples' embarassing inebriation adventures, but we actually got in a lot of shit for this. I had no idea people were drinking until they were already drunk and drinks were being spilled in the venue. I'm really sorry to sound like a buzzkill here - I know it was late and people were well overdue for it - but we have a professional standard and legal obligations to adhere to. Both were compromised this weekend.
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first day's delays was something like the moonstar's guide to tournament management (me + chadmann's set got delayed 4 times for other games to be streamed and then a 5th time so they could get pinder to cast it) but it's all cool since we had an awesome time
I was told that you had requested your match be streamed, I did everything I could to accommodate you. I really wanted to say, "No, we can't fit it into the schedule" but I wanted to give you guys some spotlight.
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i think the breaks in between streamed matches should have something like a list of players that are currently playing matches off stream, or a quick preview on the brackets.
Absolutely agree. I'm really excited to be getting more involved with the stream direction in future. I understand viewers expectations and I'll be striving to satisfy them.
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give people times till next game as accurately as possible on the stream.
Shall do, thank you.
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Organisation/scheduling was abit flimsy - I am slightly abit more critical about this as I happen to be the biggest victim of such(Tied first-place in group, no time for tiebreaker).
This was heartbreaking for me man, I really, really wanted to run tiebreaker matches but we were already so far behind schedule. I knew we couldn't pull it off but I just refused to accept that we'd have to settle for map scores or something lame like that. I promise we'll fix it up next time and we'll budget for tie breaker matches in our schedule.
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Also a little dissappointed for myself personally that I didn't get to play in any streamed games, or do any pre/post game interviews.
omg I had no idea! We had a media panel ready and available throughout the whole event. If I knew I would have sent you over there immediately.
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Despite all these great things, Iaguz stays European, rendering the entire event a big dissappointment.
HAHAHA
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It'd also be nice if the casters could mention other results and group standings more often during the casts.
100% agree man. With the way we were setup, it was almost impossible for casters to have access to this information in real-time. We'll ensure that this isn't the case for future events.
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This is easy to do without the casters saying a word, something like what I did during Master's Cup, just have some text that you can update that scrolls of whatever saying updates and information.
Not to sound rude, but no, for an event of this scale, it requires a tremendous amount of work. Each individual has an array of tasks assigned to them and relaying results from the admin desk to the casting desk to produce some simple scrolling text would mean that another hidden production component is suffering.
Oh, I just discovered VaNzR's post on page 5. Ah well, some overlap.
Well, that's about it from me really. As always, it was a pleasure. I enjoyed seeing everyone again, and meeting some new people. We'll continue to improve.
I walked away from ACL this weekend with several things;
Faces to names and new friends - It was so good to meet so many of you and chat with familiar faces from ACL Gold Coast
More live casting practice - I feel like there is a chance more things like this will make an adequate caster out of me yet
Faith in ACL, it's staff and it's sponsors and a deep appreciation for all of them (especially after Dox and VaNzR's post) - Everyone is very professional and friendly, sure tempers can flare when there's a lot of pressure but in the end we all want the same thing and appreciate everyone's hard work and patience. I have 100 percent faith that ACL Pro in Melbourne will be even more amazing, also that production and organization will improve many fold with every event.
A sore throat - Shout out to soothers for their fine product getting me through Sunday (and Raamon for the chai drink).
Inspiration to play more and improve my game - There were some of the best games of SC2 I've ever seen on the weekend, and I dunno about you guys but seeing them didn't make me want to take a break from SC2 but rather play it more and practice more.
I feel it was an excellent experience, and re-iterate Dox's statement that the "growing pains" will pass and this will become a well oiled machine... And that SC2 will most definitely become it's crown jewel. The main stage will not be yours for long console boys
I truly hope that everyone who watched enjoyed ACL Pro Sydney, and that the level of interest by spectators and players only grows with each event.
Also, when in NSW do not stay at the Randwick Lodge. I slept approx. 6 hours total over the past 3 days. It's cheap and close to the venue, but I want to see roaches and fungal growth on the screen not in my bedroom D:
See you in Melbourne
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Awesome to see Dox/Vanzar taking responsibility and addressing the adoring public and competitors concerns so promptly and efficiently, very professional and hats off to you both!
Also don't forget to take the credit where it's due too! Big event, I had a great timejust in front of my PC watching it unfold, can only imagine being there.
I won't be able to attend Melbourne due to other holiday commitments however I shall get to one sometime, soon, can't wait.
I mentioned this a couple of times to some people, but I wonder if it would be possible at future events to have the production team, who go around producing vox pops and doing pre-game interviews and the like, take care of all that stuff in the background rather than doing it live.
So basically the matches would just churn out constantly like you suggest and the casters would jump into whatever games were available. Should there be any downtime, the interviews and so on could then be used as part of a B-roll to fill in for time.
I understand there wasn't the capability to do this at Sydney, but it seems like it would sync up well with the changed philosophy of having the casters/stream work around the tournament rather than emphasising the cast over the efficiency of the bracket. (This is in regards to the open bracket - obviously things are more different once group stages kick in.)
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I was told that you had requested your match be streamed, I did everything I could to accommodate you. I really wanted to say, "No, we can't fit it into the schedule" but I wanted to give you guys some spotlight.
I don't know who asked for the match to be streamed, but I can guarantee you the request didn't come from me. I didn't ask for Pinder to cast the match either, which added further delays since we had to wait for him to finish his match before we could play. I appreciate that you went out of your way to honour that, however (even if there appears to have been a miscommunication at some stage), considering all the shit that was going on around you.
Trust me, if I was told that the game couldn't have fit into the stream schedule it wouldn't have bothered me one iota - I wasn't feeling great after playing my second game and I've been to and helped run enough large tournaments to understand when you have to bite the bullet.
NB. Just spoke to Dox/Maynarde in chatbox and they said that the request came from either Chad or myself (what dox was told) and I feel like crap about this. I didn't ask, and I don't know if Chad did, but had I known I would have forced the game to be played earlier to save time. I feel like an arsehole now for holding back things. Sigh -_-;;
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2) The Open Bracket. There's no clearer way to say this: I messed up. 100% me.
I know you feel 100% responsible, but the truth of the matter was you worked your arse off, and the reality is you just didn't have enough help. You did everything you could possible with all the energy you had, and everyone is eternally grateful for that.
I've always been a firm believer in being strong and firm with players during tournaments. You're right that players will get to understand how things run over time, but the problem that I've always encountered is that players will always look to benefit themselves over the good of the tournament. If someone doesn't wander over and tell them to hurry the **** up, they're going to spend that extra 10-15 minutes ******* about just to feel a little bit more comfortable. It's in their best interests, after all, even if it's completely unreasonable.
What's needed is for a third admin to roam around and just be, forgive the phrase, a general **** (that's the c-word ladies) to players to make sure games start as fast as humanly possible. It will involve some yelling and a blunt hand, but at the end of the day everyone will learn that the instructions are to the benefit of everyone because it keeps things to schedule.
Keeping things to schedule is soooooooooooooo ******* important. It stops you guys, the organisers, from having to pay out of your own pocket to run overtime at the venue or facing even more dire scenarios (forcing players to play under sub-standard conditions to resolve games or changing formats mid-tournament to finish in time, both of which were thankfully avoided). It also frees up time so that scenarios where tiebreakers can't be resolved - like what happened with Light's group - doesn't occur, although the manner in which it was handled isn't unprecedented by any measure (IEM uses the same format AFAIK).
Production idea
The suggestion that the casters mention group stage results is pretty cool, but another thing that could also be really awesome is to have Livibee roam the playing area during matches and then cut to her (again, meshes in well with the idea if you have the stream roaming for games instead of holding back games for the casters) so she can give a quick live report of the match.
This could be expanded to other games as well and it'd give a nice little link between the different streams so that people who want to watch all of ACL have a general idea of what's going on in the other games (so they know if the main stream starts showing, say, FIFA, then they already know this player smashed his group and they have a basic idea of who's favoured etc).
Dox, you're awesome
What really has gone understated here under all the praise, suggestion and criticisms is the fact that you, Mr Reball, still maintained the energy to uphold the integrity of the tournament by not sacrificing the format, not scrapping the open bracket or doing a million other things to save time that would have damaged the spirit of the competition.
That's not hard - that's ******* gargantuan. The amount of effort to make that kind of call under the stress and fatigue you were under is enormous. The tournament was much better for it; shame about the ZvZvZvZ, but that's the players' fault.
The truth is you know where things need to be ironed out anyway and we know that you'll crack the whip and charm the right people to ensure what needs to happen happens. That's why we all trust you; that's why everyone wants to work with you and it's why everyone believes in you even more after this weekend - not less, but more, since we know you have the mindset, intelligence and capability to make it happen.
Honestly, you're ashamed by this? I'm ******* laughing - you should have seen some of the tournaments I've had to go to. I wouldn't even call this bad - delays aren't great, but the fact of the matter is that there were so many other worse scenarios that could have occurred and all of those were avoided, despite the concerns that many had. Other people would have sacrificed the quality of the event to avoid the worst. You didn't, and still pulled everything off. *******. Baller.
You're one of the best organisers I've ever had the pleasure to witness and play under. Don't feel bad dude - we can all help out a little bit more (and I feel like a massive **** for not doing so earlier).
I have complaints, but they've already been covered (some pcs having bad frame issues, dropping out -- especially in the middle of a series is super frustrating, brackets running slowly), except one.
I want to cast more ;P
Was an awesome weekend, especially to properly meet a few people that I hadn't had the chance to meet (and hug, yang!) before. I'm already 100% going to melbourne, that's for sure. Need to work on accommodation for that ^^'
It was so great to be part of yet another large scale event and ACL Sydney didn't disappoint regarding both the social and competitive aspects.
Competitively, this tournament showed how truly strong our scene is! As well as displaying the depth of skill that our players can showcase. I was very impressed with the overall skill level that was represented by all players and look forward to seeing how everyone continues to mature.
Socially, this event was amazing. The opportunity to interact socially regarding gaming is not something i have been able to enjoy (bein a closet nerd and all) and i relish the chances that are afforded to us through such an event as this. Prior to the event i was provided the amazing opportunity to train and participate at the ACL PRO Ausgaming House to which i initially turned down! However after finishing my exams on Tuesday(which i pumped, **** YEAH) i knew a solid 72 hours of non stop sc2 would get me back in shape and chased that offer back down. Participating at the ACL House was an amazing experience as i got to hang out with my old mate Pandan, the man himself Vanzr, the friendly pelican Moonglade, iaguz and a bunch of cool ACL dudes(inmaniac, matt, damo, brett, nuguns,) who turned out to be amazing blokes. It was a very insightful experience hanging out at the house as i really got to see how much effort these guys were putting in as well as insight into just how much groundwork these guys do prior to event, which i observed led to many sleepless nights as i know for a fact some these guys were at times running off 2 hours sleep a night. (THESE MOFO's ARE PASSIONATE AS **** ♥)
The Social aspect as the event was just as awesome and i was very happy to see so many people turn up to spectate as well as play! it was great to see so many recognizable faces and to meet so many new people! Being able to strike up a conversation with a group of sc2 peeps at any time in all corners of the venue was bloody awesome and i can't wait to experience it again. Was great meeting and chatting with you all.
Shoutouts and Notes
- On a personal note i was still very happy with how i played at the event and hope everybody enjoyed watching my games, specifically those with Targa and Mafia. You cannot be disappointed losing to players of this caliber, not to mention they are both good mates :P
- Just to repeat, big thanks to all the ACL Staff both at the house and at the event itself.
- Big thanks to Dox both as a manager as staff at the event! ( sorry for destroying your soul in street fighter too !! jokes jokes)
- Big gratz to Moonglade for taking it yet again. You are a great role model to look up to, practicing like a machine at the house, as well as just taking note of your resolve and determination to take out this event. Dam you are clutch!
- Big thanks to Maynarde for allowing me to cast with him in the finals. Was a very fun experience and i hope we made you laugh and enjoy the games as well as learn a thing or 2 from my gigantic brain.
- I became good friends with a group of COD phags that i met at the ACL house prior to the event! its awesome to note that every other gamer there including the fifa, Gears of war, COD and halo players all have significant respect for the sc2 players and many of them do play on the side as a result.
Can't think of anything else to say as its 2am, cheers peeps and gnight
Dox get some sleep and stop apologising! You did a stellar job and everyone was amazed at the prdouct that came of your hard work. I feel bad for my post cos you take it all to heart you beautiful, beautiful creature of esports. Take care of yourself and remember that as exciting as all this stuff is if you push yourself too hard you'll start being inefficient and potentially being overwhelmed.
My personal advice to you would be to take a little time to teach one or two of the other ACL staff or other volunteers how they can take a load off your shoulders. Melbourne is going to be even bigger and better and I want you alive and well at the end of it!
Loving the feedback and attitude from the members posting in this thread. Its amazing to see such a positive and supportive community, which unfortunately is less rare in console (my domain). Lots of you may not know who I am (besides the gamers that came to the Aus Gaming House) but I have worked closely with Vanz trying to help ACL grow since 2010. I just wanted to make a post and say how amazing it is to see such appreciation for something you put a lot of hard work and passion into, means the world to us guys here at ACL. Its unfortunate that a lot of the time the people who work the hardest to make events happen don't get the praise they deserve because they are too busy to even stop for a few minutes and chat to players, however one man I have to speak up about that deserves praise in this thread is JB. JB (http://www.twitter.com/jbhewitt) has been giving ACL support and direction from the start and is responsible for the foundation of SC2 on the ACL Pro circuit which of course Vanz and Dox have helped build upon. Its great to see Vanz and Dox get the recognition they deserve but without JB we wouldn't be able to do half the things we do at events. Same goes for his production team that a few of you may be more familiar with (Doble, Blair, Simon etc). A few of the Brisbane SC2 players may be more familiar with these guys, they get shit done like no others, and it is a pleasure working with them.
PS. This times x1000
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- I became good friends with a group of COD phags that i met at the ACL house prior to the event! its awesome to note that every other gamer there including the fifa, Gears of war, COD and halo players all have significant respect for the sc2 players and many of them do play on the side as a result.
I am unsure about how PC gamers feel about attending events with console players (not that it is at all relevant) but SO many console gamers love and respect SC2 and its players. A bunch of them event stayed till 2am (when they finished at 7pm) just to watch SC2 till the end.
Once again, thanks for the support guys and we will do our best to make things better in Melbourne!
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Thanks for all the feedback! I was the "director" of the stream and yes, better lines of communication between myself and Dox are needed. I was told to stream the game between X and until I was told that the players were ready, there wasn't much I could put onto the stream.
More fillers will be useful, but hopefully going forward (Melb and onwards), we won't need many fillers as we'll be trying to have pretty much back-to-back games.
I pretty much echo the same sentiments as everyone else, was a SICK event and was absolutely awesome! Wish I played better and especially showed better results but I think it highlights just how much you have to practice in order to beat some of the best players in aus right now. Definitely super excited to Melb as I wont have to fly down and because all of the little bugs that came up in GC and Sydney will be fixed so the now the best city in aus will also have the best competition in aus hehe
Cya all then I look forward to it so much!!
Just wanted to chip in my 2c and say thanks to the players for being as cooperative as they were with me. I'm not someone that most players were familiar with, but they made my life easier with my direct dealings. Echo everything that Dox and Vanz has said and I'm looking forward to making Melbourne run even better.
Thanks to Blair, Luke, Doble, JB, Maynarde, Infeza and the rest of the stream team for putting out a great product.
Was awesome meeting so many great SC2 players.
The playlist in the venue was sweet, though I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised to hear "Blubber Boy" by Regurgitator playing, seeing as how it has the c-word in it's lyrics. :P
As someone watching from home, I was so impressed with everyone's clear hard work, and can't really comment further than that. I thought the rotating casters was excellent and really entertaining.
I think the problems are nothing that can't be ironed out in Melbourne with a few adjustments and whipping of people who use PCs when they shouldn't. Everyone involved in ACL does enough self-analysis, it seems - things can only get better.
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I just have to comment on the fact 2 people have talked about my playlist. I spent a proud hour making that list. I will better myself in Melbourne and do you all proud with an even better, newer, improved, longer music playlist.
PS - Music is about 0.01% of LAN organisation haha - don't think I waste my time on that. Just had to laugh that people actually enjoyed it! haha
2c) One of our biggest sources of delays was one that could only be identified in retrospect. Our production team was itching to deliver so much premier content on day 1 that it really had an impact on our turnaround. We had pre-game interviews, post-game interviews, we had players seated at a feature station so we could provide a quality cinematic experience. This is all great stuff, but we should not have done this on Saturday. In future, we'll just be churning out Open Bracket matches as fast as possible. We'll move players around as little as possible (you still need to take your allocated seats though) and the stream won't wait for anything. We'll bring all that great production over to Sunday and allow the Group Stages / Championship Bracket to absorb those luxuries. Anyone reading this will be thinking, "Well duh, that's common sense." But as I said, we had so many wonderful production resources available to us that it was just lost amongst the commotion. I still stand by the opinion that ACL's production is second to none. We just need better direction. I really hope to provide this at ACL Melbourne.
I dont know how this would go with your setup but it might be an idea to record interviews if there is no time to fit them into the stream live so that you can play them in later downtime. Live is better, but watching an older interview is probably more likely to keep viewers around between games also gives you a few min to organize which match is coming up next for stream information.
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Furthermore, we had spectators using computers again. It was actually the same people I had to repeatedly ask to get off computers at ACL Gold Coast. You cannot imagine my disappointment. These computers are here for tournament purposes only. Not for you to update Facebook or chat on SC2SEA.
Without knowing exactly the situation you are talking about it might be worth trying to organize some "shit boxes" with this in mind. With special notes on the computer and making it dedicated to SC2SEA chat box or general use. I dont know what the additional cost or change to dynamics this would cause. Pro for it is SC2SEA chat is good for grabbing attention about the event for those who somehow missed it was already running or some such or are only interested in particular matches. Of cause Cons cost in time effort energy. There is also the unknown impact on dynamics of the event.
Also dont under estimate the power of backgrounds Im sure the backgrounds where probably advertisement for the computer that was being used a small banner under it with a message about Tournament play only to remind forgetful people might help.
Might be worth removing easy access to the web browser on gaming computers if that is viable creating a small file with the map pool (I noticed a player looking it up on SC2SEA.com on the stream at one point) or a big poster at the end of each row with the map pool. I dont know if you could network the brackets onto each computer might be a bit much to go wrong with that. A single display screen with the brackets might work. As troublesome as it sounds prevention is better than cure and you know if its a single mouse click people are going to be tempted. If you cant remove the web browser a home page set to Tournament play ONLY plastered on the screen might also help.
As a side note was it possible to purchase things live a the event. It would probably be a rare sale but if you could sell one of those laptops or headsets etc live at the event Im sure it would make sponsors have an easier time justifying it next event. Even if it is show up Saturday use it, like it, buy it for pick up Sunday dont know how that would go with the legal department etc. Just an idea to throw around might be something further down the road.
I just have to comment on the fact 2 people have talked about my playlist. I spent a proud hour making that list. I will better myself in Melbourne and do you all proud with an even better, newer, improved, longer music playlist.
PS - Music is about 0.01% of LAN organisation haha - don't think I waste my time on that. Just had to laugh that people actually enjoyed it! haha
VaNz if you need mate I got some playlists that will only reach the end if ACL streams for a month! Might be a touch heavy, but oh well
I won't bother throwing out my recommendations to improve next ACL because I think everything's already been said.
Instead I'd like to say a huge thank you to all the people involved in ACL for making it happen. I had a blast. It was great to have the opportunity to do a couple of casts alongside the wonderful Maynarde and the experience of being on such a professional stream in front of cameras and all that good stuff.
Loved the event, loved meeting people, loved the atmosphere. Can't wait to see how ACL Melbourne turns out!
As a side note was it possible to purchase things live a the event. It would probably be a rare sale but if you could sell one of those laptops or headsets etc live at the event Im sure it would make sponsors have an easier time justifying it next event. Even if it is show up Saturday use it, like it, buy it for pick up Sunday dont know how that would go with the legal department etc. Just an idea to throw around might be something further down the road.
TteSports was selling equipment during the event, such as keyboards, mouse pads etc.
We also had a mini-store at the centre admin desk which sold various gear such as cables.
TteSports was selling equipment during the event, such as keyboards, mouse pads etc.
We also had a mini-store at the centre admin desk which sold various gear such as cables.
I heard that there were some keyboards etc set up to try somewhere, but people didn't know where and I didn't manage to find them... saw those weird 3d monitors and some laptops but no Tt stuff unboxed to play with
I just have to comment on the fact 2 people have talked about my playlist. I spent a proud hour making that list. I will better myself in Melbourne and do you all proud with an even better, newer, improved, longer music playlist.
PS - Music is about 0.01% of LAN organisation haha - don't think I waste my time on that. Just had to laugh that people actually enjoyed it! haha
I got a hip hop playlist ( stricly bangers) 900 songs, 2 days worth of music. lets have that at acl melbourne!
Forget the players, games and organisers, best part of ACL Sydney were the Lovesacs! Will not come to another ACL unless I am guaranteed one to sleep on when I've been there for over 12+ hours :P
When I was on the love sac talking with glade and livi one of the SC2 guys split some of their "drink" on the love sac it became the "rumsac".
Just thought I would post for my first time, I am an ACL staff member who helps run the console stage who has interest in SC2 and hopes it gets alot biggers.
I have a few shout outs as well:
-Rossi for being awesome and chilling with us console guys while we helped set up the event.
-Glade and livi for being some of the nicest people I've met in gaming and explaining shit to us while watching GSL at the Aus gaming house.
-Gaming house guys (you don't really need sperate ones) I love all of you guys and nothing more is needed to be said.
-JB, easily top 2 for most baws running of LANs who gets no where near the credit he deserves.
-SC2 production team you are amazing simply amazing.
After the shoutouts I would just like to say to all the stream viewers to check out the console stream when the SC2 is on a break as it really helps out as a whole.
Also we had keyboards and mouses to use I remember seeing them a couple of times not being used.
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The weekend was so sick, so glad i flew down for it. I was hoping to get round 2 of winners and I did that so I'm happy . Unfortunately I was feeling pretty shit for my game in losers round 2 so I forfeited .
Huge shout out to Dox, Vanz, Norksman and all the staff and volunteers, even though it ran hours over time I didn't mind, was still a great atmosphere at 3am in the morning which was awesome.
Great meeting all the TA boys and everyone else I talked to there. slowhands and miles for looking after me . Hopefully I will have enough time and money to make it to melbourne.
The weekend was so sick, so glad i flew down for it. I was hoping to get round 2 of winners and I did that so I'm happy . Unfortunately I was feeling pretty shit for my game in losers round 2 so I forfeited .
Huge shout out to Dox, Vanz, Norksman and all the staff and volunteers, even though it ran hours over time I didn't mind, was still a great atmosphere at 3am in the morning which was awesome.
Great meeting all the TA boys and everyone else I talked to there. slowhands and miles for looking after me . Hopefully I will have enough time and money to make it to melbourne.
♥♥♥♥ ACL
Hope to see you passed out on the ground outside the venue at 4AM again at Melbourne!
Was watching the stream for pretty much a solid 2 days; whilst I felt for the players with the length of time they were there on a selfish note it meant that I got to watch SC2 late into the night and waking up tired the next morning.
This ACL from a spectator perspective was fantastic, stream was of good quality, I never felt bored whilst watching the stream and on most occasions I knew what game was coming up next or what was actually going on. I have to say seeing well known sc2sea casters like Maynarde, Doble(saw you guys last time anyway), Zepph & Frogmite made it all the more awesome. Guest casting was good also; it gave that other aspect of casting that I hadn't seen before from ACL.
To be honest we were spoiled for SC2 this weekend with MLG/DreamHack and ACL on, I found myself wanting to watch ACL over the others, to achieve this just shows how far the ACL and the SEA scene has come. I have to say a big thanks to the organisers/players/casters and everybody who was involved for giving me a good way to spend a weekend.
I am looking forward to ACL Melbourne and am hoping to be in attendance so that I can get that other side of the experience, if I can help in anyway let me know
Ahhhh.. That was a fun ACL!! Well done to everyone!!
Sooo good to meet so many of you guys! and very excited for ACL Melbourne!! ^_^
VaNzR is a total boss for getting so many other talented people together to make this happen. He looked so tired and stressed by the end of it - and you guys should all give him heaps of mad love and respect.
Huge props to the casters (Maynarde and Doble and all the guests),
Production crew (wow - amazing set up.. I got to check it out while I filled in for inFeZa's obs.. and it was an amazing set up).
Dox - Dude.. you have the sc2 tournament midas touch - everything your involved in always comes out perfect - the delays was not a problem imo.. I'm sure the players weren't up for late night games, but at least it was all ZvZ - imagine if that Championship bracket was all TvT?!?!?! - we would still be there.
Players - nawww mah god, there were some amazing games and so much talent at this event! well done to everyone!
anyway, really looking for bigger and better things at ACL Melbourne!!
I was one of the guys along with Beware a couple pages back who helped a little to put this event together, along with the rest of the ACL crew.
I just want to echo what Beware and a few others have said by thanking some key people who made SC2 and everything else come together so beautifully at ACL Sydney, despite the delay.
Vanzr - A bit of D-Riding for my boss, my room mate and my friend, without Vanz I really do believe eSports in Australia wouldn't be taking the leaps and bounds it currently is. He slaves away at a "normal" job and moonlights as an eSports super hero. He really puts blood, sweat and tears and a LOT of his own money into these events to make them what they are. Make sure you show him your support. Love him. Adore him.
JB - Vanzr's right-hand man and my personal hero, JB makes stuff happen. Seriously, JB is our tech/IT/Stream/LAN guru (officially: Executive Producer) and is just an amazing guy. His vast experience in LAN organisation and the gaming scene in general is pivotal to the smooth running of ACL's events. Without him ACL would also not be happening.
Dox - Baller. No other words need be said.
"Stream Team" - JB's stream team, Blair, Simon etc etc along with casters Doble and Maynarde. These guys are siiiiick and are super awesome. They make the stream what it is and ACL couldn't function without them.
ACL Staff: Beware, Brett, Nephix, AusBox, Nuguns, Killself (I'm forgetting people) - ALL of these guys are the bread and butter of ACL. These guys fly in from all over the country and don't sleep for days to bring you a LAN event worthy of being called an ACL National LAN Event. You may not know them, or have even seen them, but without these guys, we wouldn't have these comps.
The Players - Without all of you, there is no ACL circuit and there is no LAN. We can not say enough times how much we appreciate the support of each and every one of you. The support from SC2SEA and the Starcraft community at large has been simply amazing and we look forward to bringing you even better events in future.
Special mentions:
Moonglade - The champ himself stayed at our humble abode (@AusGamingHouse) and it was a great experience to have him there. He really is an awesome guy and great to talk to. I'm a bronze nub and he didn't even hesitate to help me out and give me some pointers.
Rossi - The Terran Italian Stallion, Rossi also stayed at the house for a bit and is also an awesome guy. I'm officially the apprentice of his apprentice In all seriousness, such a good guy to hang out with, bad luck on your result but I'm sure you'll give Moonglade and the rest of the crew a run at ACL Melbourne!
Livibee - Stayed at the house more often then not alongside Moonglade and is a really awesome gal! Her cooking is supreme! Plus Livibee was also put on the spot by yours truly to become ACL's newest official presenter and conducted all of our recorded interviews at Sydney. Get used to seeing her face at ACL, she'll be around a lot more!
I hope that's it. I always forget people but remember that I do you. Thanks once again to SC2SEA and the community,w e love you guys and look forward to seeing you at future events!
OMFG I just wrote a page long post and accidentally deleted it. fml
I'll summarise:
*Great tournament, shame I lost cos of tiredness (and a bit of framelag). But some of my wins were surely cos opponent was tired so I can't say it skewed the tournament results too far.
*Big thanks to everyone who helped host and organise the event: Dox, Norksman, Maynarde, Doble, Team managers and players, Vanz, Parker and co., Supporters like Asrath n Drgoose who stayed for finals, TAboys +jimdiddy gettin drunk during the semis and finals was hilarious.
*Even fraglabs bearded support guy was very nice and helpful. Not his fault the laptops were having really bad framerates.
*the Asus pcs had alot of troubles, shame they spent more time maintaining the display pcs then providing any fixes for these ones.
Thanks to yang for sick music. Targa for being cocky enough to motivate SEA players to play better. Glade for showing when he has to dig deep, he can do it.
Ninja for 4-1 his group when no1 thought he was a favourite for even 2nd place. And then after slipping up vs glade to lose 2-1 despite having a clear lead he demolished the lower bracket only to lose to Targa at 1.30am looking extremely exhausted and clearly not playing anything near his standard game. 4th place = no money, and always forgotten. But I have no doubt Ninja would have come top 2 if it the tournament finished earlier in the day when he had energy to keep competing. Bl to SQLNinja baller breakout performance of the tournament.
Vanz etc will surely improve this event next time.
My suggestions:
1) Norksman needs an underling to catch people laddering and wasting time and hurry them up.
2) Teammates forced to play first in group play when possible to avoid thrown matches, this wasn't an issue in this tournament but could be in future.
3) SC2 viewing area like on the 2nd day, set up on the first day, with volume just high enough so the audience can hear it. Makes live spetating experience much nicer.
4) Terrans and protoss train harder and make it out of groups you bastards.
I liked the part with the excuses and saying that ninja would have finished 2nd.
Time Delays
A mixture of player time wasting combined with communication between the tournament runners & stream team caused unfavourable delays. Next events will see 1-2 additional 'enforcer referees' recruited to ensure this NEVER occurs again. We will not be lenient on laddering and/or time wasting (especially in the middle of series).
Updated Brackets.
We have a staff member whose only job is to ensure brackets are updated and use social media. Unfortunately Dox uses prehistoric excel sheets for tournament which made it harder to update easily . We will force Dox to go to the dark side and use a web friendly (instant update) version rather than his excel doc in future.
I love the idea of enforcer referees!
as for the excel thingy, why not use docs.google.com? also has Dox kinda in the name
I'm in the process of putting together replays, results, etc for the ACL site and I thought people might like to see the misc stats from Sydney:
For the record, no-one even comes close to the speed of JazBas. He averages over 400 regularly, whilst TargA, YoonYJ & Pokerface often float around 350 in 10-15 minute games.
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as for the excel thingy, why not use docs.google.com? also has Dox kinda in the name
'Cos we have a bunch of spreadsheets shared amongst ACL staff via DropBox which reference eachother.
I'm in the process of putting together replays, results, etc for the ACL site and I thought people might like to see the misc stats from Sydney:
For the record, no-one even comes close to the speed of JazBas. He averages over 400 regularly, whilst TargA, YoonYJ & Pokerface often float around 350 in 10-15 minute games.
'Cos we have a bunch of spreadsheets shared amongst ACL staff via DropBox which reference eachother.
I'm in the process of putting together replays, results, etc for the ACL site and I thought people might like to see the misc stats from Sydney:
For the record, no-one even comes close to the speed of JazBas. He averages over 400 regularly, whilst TargA, YoonYJ & Pokerface often float around 350 in 10-15 minute games.
'Cos we have a bunch of spreadsheets shared amongst ACL staff via DropBox which reference eachother.
If only the record encompassed all the games played there. The game you (very thankfully ) let me play vs LucifroN ran for 51 minutes. Any chance of getting replay packs from the event?
The game you (very thankfully ) let me play vs LucifroN ran for 51 minutes.
I can't actually seem to find any trace of your games vs Luci in the batch I have, but I'll double check once I've finished digging through them all...
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Any chance of getting replay packs from the event?
I can't actually seem to find any trace of your games vs Luci in the batch I have, but I'll double check once I've finished digging through them all...
They'll be up soon.
Legend on all behalfs, hopefully the Lucifron games turn up -- I've had enough games go missing (my games vs PiG in the Arena lan late last year come to mind) that it sucks already
Congrats to everyone who participated and good job to the staff for an awesome event, it was a real step up from last time, especially on the stream side.
My real regret is not being able to fill out all the results for liquipedia because I was pre-occupied with the diablo 3 open beta weekend, big thanks to chris cityhunter and scarecrow on liquipedia for filling them in after I had passed out on both days.
One question for Dox though: Are the vods going to have a more permanent home this time around? Last time I linked to the time stamped twitch vods which have since been removed/expired.
how long was my game vs poker on daybreak in the group stages?
31 minutes - you were the next one in line.
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One question for Dox though: Are the vods going to have a more permanent home this time around? Last time I linked to the time stamped twitch vods which have since been removed/expired.
I'm gonna make sure we actually have them backed up this time! That was such a tragedy last time.
I'm gonna make sure we actually have them backed up this time! That was such a tragedy last time.
Awesome, also thank you for publishing the groups individually on challonge this time around as well, the log feature let me get a much bigger list of match results for the group stages than the previous event where I only was able to list matches streamed.
Are the vods going to have a more permanent home this time around? Last time I linked to the time stamped twitch vods which have since been removed/expired.
I have downloaded a local copy of all the VODs to ensure we have media for re-upload.
I think that ACL will be editing these VODs into youtube-sized segments for re-upload, as twitch is not the greatest medium for VODs.
Thanks Vanz, Beware, Inmaniac, Dox, JB, Doble, Maynarde, Infeza, Nuguns, Pyroteq, Kself and everyone else that I forgot.
I spent most of the event on the main stage so I didn't get a chance to speak with many people from SC2Sea during the weekend, but I hope to get a chance to talk to a bunch of you guys at ACL Melbourne!
Also I thought I saw a game that went for ~40 Minutes, it was one of the XG Zergs (Mafia? Poker?) vs a Protoss on Daybreak. Towards the end it was the Zerg with a bunch of mutas and a single hatch, the Protoss had nexuses spread all over the map. I remember Iaguz was watching. Anyone else remember?
Also I thought I saw a game that went for ~40 Minutes, it was one of the XG Zergs (Mafia? Poker?) vs a Protoss on Daybreak. Towards the end it was the Zerg with a bunch of mutas and a single hatch, the Protoss had nexuses spread all over the map. I remember Iaguz was watching. Anyone else remember?
I'd just like to personally thank the stream team for really rising to the occasion and pulling off such a professional product. A lot of the behind-the-scenes people go unnoticed and I would like the community to know who makes this sort of thing possible.
Back row, left to right:
Leigh - Maynarde - Caster
Simon - Webberist - Photography
Luke - Sensator - Stream Graphics, Chat Mod & Social Media
John - JB - Supreme Commander
Me - Caster & Amateur Cameraman
Front row left to right:
Phil - inFeZa - SC2 Observer
Blair - Scythe - Video & Audio Director
Fake Korean Voice Guy - Not shown, once the stream was finished he just disappeared ... was a shame cos I really wanted to find out who he was! Here's another pic I snapped earlier in the day:
Thanks to everyone involved from ACL who works behind the scenes - I was very proud to be a part of ACL Sydney!
doble
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I liked the part with the excuses and saying that ninja would have finished 2nd.
Were you even present at the event?
I said he'd come top 2. As in I think he had a good chance of beating glade the first time too and potentially winning the whole tourney but he didn't handle his condition too well.
I said he'd come top 2. As in I think he had a good chance of beating glade the first time too and potentially winning the whole tourney but he didn't handle his condition too well.
I said he'd come top 2. As in I think he had a good chance of beating glade the first time too and potentially winning the whole tourney but he didn't handle his condition too well.
I dunno if there's be a conflict of interests somewhere, but you should think about asking the APL boys to help promote the next Sydney event (at least) on their facebook page. Coming home from ACL on the saturday, I had two people come up to me (in my team liquid shirt) and ask me if they'd missed a barcraft... I told them about ACL, cause neither of them had heard about it ><
Just something to think about, maybe. I guess there's a lot of people out there that don't mind watching starcraft but aren't too big into competing.
Wasn't able to make it to sydney because of stupid work but from a spectators point of view it was great. Kept tuning in when I had the chance to watch some games hear and there and both the quality of games and casting from the usual suspects was excellect. Looking forward to seeing people at ACL Melbourne!
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