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AZKziek · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 7:05 PM

I'm not sure why people would attempt to disallow others to participate in SEA tournaments as there's no real way to police this anyway. It's still entirely possible for players to use their friends accounts, etc to still participate in tournaments.

EDIT: American players aren't as good as the top level Koreans for the most part aswell, but do they disallow Koreans to play in SEA? No. They've even created partnerships with Gom to help bring both countries together. All this is doing is if we disallow Koreans to play here is creating a negative view of the SEA scene.

TCPLemminks · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 7:14 PM

DeL pretty much said what I wanted to say, in that let them play but make the prize money only eligible for SEA citizens. Another idea would be to make the prize more of a community rep reward than a financial reward. I'm guessing that we could remove the prize pool from one CO and see if they still decide to participate in it or not. If they don't, then we can assume they're just joining for the "easy" money.

It's interesting to note that they haven't posted in this thread yet, as I'm sure some of their clanmates who frequent here would have told them about it. It would also be nice if we could get a statement from the leader of SPR about their participation in their community, be it constructive or not.

In all fairness it's not really a community open if the people who win it are not part of the community...Then again there are those who participate and are not part of the community as well.

AZKziek · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemminks

DeL pretty much said what I wanted to say, in that let them play but make the prize money only eligible for SEA citizens. Another idea would be to make the prize more of a community rep reward than a financial reward. I'm guessing that we could remove the prize pool from one CO and see if they still decide to participate in it or not. If they don't, then we can assume they're just joining for the "easy" money.

It's interesting to note that they haven't posted in this thread yet, as I'm sure some of their clanmates who frequent here would have told them about it. It would also be nice if we could get a statement from the leader of SPR about their participation in their community, be it constructive or not.

In all fairness it's not really a community open if the people who win it are not part of the community...Then again there are those who participate and are not part of the community as well.

Why would anyone want to take up their own time to play in a TOURNAMENT for no reward? That's the entire purpose of playing.

TCPLemminks · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AZKziek

Why would anyone want to take up their own time to play in a TOURNAMENT for no reward? That's the entire purpose of playing.

It may just be humble ol' me but the spirit of the competition and it gives a brilliant chance to learn from better players. To be fair the BSG doesn't have a financial reward, unless you count qualification to the BSG cup, which is unfortunately now discontinued.

pikk0n · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TAdeL

Haha. It's ziE's account but usually Ciara (Danish Zerg) plays on it, though if it were around the time of NASL it may have been FOXMoon playing on it. What I am confused about is why you assume it could be me when it's jaczie's account? xD

Assumed it's you because it was a zerg player, the 2 of you seemed like close friends and there was a massive outrage on youtube about not gging WhiteRa. LOL! Thought it was you trolling WhiteRa with the no gg leaves.

cRSenSei · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pikk0n

Assumed it's you because it was a zerg player, the 2 of you seemed like close friends and there was a massive outrage on youtube about not gging WhiteRa. LOL! Thought it was you trolling WhiteRa with the no gg leaves.

del is protoss bro?

deL · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pikk0n

Assumed it's you because it was a zerg player, the 2 of you seemed like close friends and there was a massive outrage on youtube about not gging WhiteRa. LOL! Thought it was you trolling WhiteRa with the no gg leaves.

I wish I was zerg, then I might win a game. Nah White-Ra is a champ I only troll retards, I am actually pretty hurt you compare my trolling to Ciara's snotty BM.

Xenomorph · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TAdeL

3rd point - I would personally disclude them as SPR members from any clan wars or clan competitions that SPR entered.

Del, when master and gts came to us I immediately realised that in clan wars/competitions etc that they would cause a lot of debate over whether they could play or not. I have told my team what I am about to say here, I would ONLY use one of them as a closer if:
1. We were in a terrible spot and down 3-0/4-0 and
2. If no other member thought they could reverse all kill, which is very unlikely as most if not all of my members have a lot of self confidence and skill required to do this.

What I'm trying to say is, it'd be very very unlikely that I'd use them as both me and my members see that it may be viewed as unfair. SPR respects the community very highly and wants to try and satisfy its views. If people would like to give feedback or elaborate on the usage of soulman and ych, that'd be appreciated.

Cheers

deL · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 10:03 PM

yCh is already in ST he's 100% unusable. Soulman I still think is pretty unfair even if he is a free agent at the moment, no one wants SEA CWs to turn in to some 'token korean vs token korean' match.

Xenomorph · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TAdeL

yCh is already in ST he's 100% unusable. Soulman I still think is pretty unfair even if he is a free agent at the moment, no one wants SEA CWs to turn in to some 'token korean vs token korean' match.

I think that saying that ych is 100% unusable off the bat is pretty harsh. If its an offcial SEA team league, I would think it best that it be upto the admins/organisers to decide on the rules on the usage of these 2 players, whether it be under my terms which I stated above or even stricter, or even completely barring them from the tourney. If its a friendly clan war between SPR and clan X I don't see what'd be wrong with using one of them as a closer.

deL · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 10:43 PM

Because he's already in a team?

ShinyA · Thu, 11th-Aug-2011, 10:48 PM

Agree with Del~

AZKziek · Fri, 12th-Aug-2011, 1:37 AM

Something else to point out, the name of the event is a "community open".
Ask yourself, are they part of the SC2SEA community? The answer lies within.

PrimeSPR · Fri, 12th-Aug-2011, 8:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dippa

That first point is essentially an extension of xenophobia.

The second point is especially rubbish. Should people who don't participate in the community be barred from playing in the open? Koreans contribute more to the community by playing than ANZ/SEA people who rock up the tourney but don't post on forums, because the replays they leave behind give us a benchmark that we can all learn from.

The dedication and free time argument is a bit of a cop-out as well, because it simply collapses when Australia has plenty of people who earn money from streaming, coaching and have sponsorships. Those players should still be aiming to test their skills against the Koreans.

Plus, many SEA players ladder on Korea anyway.

What are we scared of? Losing? In a free tournament with minuscule prizes?

Harden the **** up.

i heart u dippizukau ******* manwhore

Benji · Fri, 12th-Aug-2011, 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AZKziek

Something else to point out, the name of the event is a "community open".
Ask yourself, are they part of the SC2SEA community? The answer lies within.

Community is such a vague word, Half the people that sign up don't even post on the forums. Should they be barred from entering as well?