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**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:08 AM

SC2SEA League 2
Kick-off date 19th January 2012

Map Pool

BRACKETS

Brackets can be found at this adress http://challonge.com/seacltier5 . They will be updated weekly.

Rank	Team	Games	Win	Draw	Loss	Record	Points
1	TA	10	7	2	1	41/19	23
2	Zerocraft	10	7	2	1	41/19	23
3	Perth Penguins	10	6	2	2	32/20	20
4	Mixed lolies	10	6	1	3	34/20	19
5	ToR	10	5	2	3	36/23	17
6	Krrn and Co	10	5	1	4	29/25	16
7	Fusion Slugs	10	3	1	6	21/33	10
8	VB	10	2	2	6	20/34	8
9	FaDe	10	2	4	4	22/38	8
10	TCP	10	2	2	6	18/36	8
11	Team HoH	10	0	3	7	12/36	3

* Some map scores are yet to be finalised.

TEAMS ROSTERS

+ [ZeroCraft] +

+ [TA Edarus and Friends] +

+ [FaDe BSG Ballers] +

+ [Perth Penguins] +

+ [ToR] +

+ [VB Sober Soldiers] +

+ [QED Mixed Lollies] +

+ [QED Krrn and Co Pty Ltd] +

+ [Team HoH] +

+ [Fusion Slugs] +

+ [TCP Marinu Dropu] +

ADMINS

Maynarde (

leigh.mandalov) and

ChadMann (

nicolasjrusso)

GAME DAY
The team matchs will be played on Thursdays 9PM

AEDT.
A weekly news post will introduce the incoming matchups as well as the dates.
If a team cannot make the default game time, they must contact the opposing team manager to organise another time (teams have until the following Wednesday to finalise their match)
We will try and be flexible with match times, talk to the other team managers and admins if you have issues.

PRIZE

Professionnally designed clan logo by TCPmagik.

1 month 'The Grand Master Manual' subscription, donated by Volition. For 'Most Improved' player, 1 player nominated by each team leader, selected by Volition, Maynarde and ChadMann.

CHANNEL

In-game channel SEALTIER5

STREAMER

ToRZanderax/Potthead (Potterax)

FORMAT

Game 1: Bo3 (1point)
Game 2: Bo3 (1point)
Game 3: Bo3 (1point)
Game 4: Bo3 (1point)
Game 5: Ace game: Bo3 (2points)
Draws are possible.
Point system: Win:3pts, Draw:1pt, Loss:0pts

Weekly Results
Week 1 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3272
Week 2 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3423
Week 3 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3498
Week 4 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3587
Week 5 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3682
Week 6 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3781
Week 7 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3879
Week 8 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3944
Week 9 - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=4026

Please read the conditions below.

Conditions of Participation

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Custom Tier 5 rules

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Misc. Rules / FAQ

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Quick Comments

	Zealo:	great write up! if you put this much effort in every week i'll be amazed
	QEDFridge:	good work chad chad. You will make an excellent admin!

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:09 AM

I give below the contact details of the different team managers

SC2SEA League 2:

Team/clan name	Manager	Skype details
Zerocraft	Arnor.836 - Suman.449	chris.grima.cityhunter
iTATA-Edarus and Friends	TAEdarus.427	taedarus
iFadeFaDe BSG Ballers	rezyn.772	rezyn8
Perth Penguins	AsGZealo.172	spencer.loxton
ToR-Team3	ToRZanderax	TBA
VB-Sober Soldiers	VBPotthead.898	PottheadSC
QED-platinum prototype	QEDFridge.623	thefridgemaster
TCP-Marinu Dropu	TCPkrycek.964	ham8919
QED-Krrn and Co	Krrn.298	jeremy.hollyer
Team HoH	HoHdougolas.348	Wow_players_slay_bitches
Team Fusion Slugs	BenAD.893	benad83

**ToRSpartaz** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:34 AM

Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

In our updated Team Line Up:

Could you please add:

- Bugalugs

- MITCH:

(Not too sure actually)

And the manager "ToRZanderax"

:

- Skype to be confirmed

Quick Comments

Zanderax:

Skype for ToRZanderax is "Zanderax"

TeZzA · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

In our updated Team Line Up:

Could you please add:

- Bugalugs

- MITCH:

(Not too sure actually)

And the manager "ToRZanderax"

:

- Skype to be confirmed

Pretty sure I should be on there too. Zander told me he PMd someone.

ToRTeZzA

asdfSchnitzel · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 7:08 AM

Nooooo, i might have to vs bugs! 0.0

Bugalugs McScruffin · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOSchnitzel

Nooooo, i might have to vs bugs! 0.0

Schnitzel, you're scared of me? I'm a scrubby

.

Quick Comments

asdfSchnitzel:

Hahaha proxy carrier rush may be in order then :>

deL · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:14 AM

TA vs TCP top 2 imo!

Quick Comments

	ToRSpartaz:	Hahahhaahhahah top 3, ToR top 1 son ^^
	TAminimat:	countering stupid comment

Volition · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:14 AM

There are some good teams. As for strong teams, i think the following teams would have to consider themselves frontrunners in this league:-

TA Edarus and Friends;
QED Platinum Prototype;
TCP Marinu Dropu <-- i think these guys are the favourites, like the lineup.

But then this league wont always be about who is the strongest on paper, it will depend on who can field the best team week in, week out. And there is a chance for some really good breakout performances. Dont be surprised if the following teams do really well:-

AsG Perth Penguins - never underestimate a RL team, i suspect they will be fielding a solid team week in week out that will get them to the playoffs.
FaDe - given that it is a 10 week period, if these guys get together with some good plat or diamond practice partners they could be a real threat.

This isnt to say the other teams dont have a shot. I think the teams that make the finals will be the ones that field good solid teams week in week out. add to that i dont think the skill difference between silver and plat is THAT great, if all teams work hard there could be quite a few upsets this season.

Zerocraft fighting!!!!

asdfSchnitzel · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:21 AM

So just checking, are we playing on the 12th and every Thursday after that?

deL · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:27 AM

I think the league starts next week, Schnitzel.

Quick Comments

asdfSchnitzel:

Ok thanks

krycek · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:38 AM

Probably already been stated but some teamates asked if a player that has played in game 1-4 can play the ACE match, i told them well,, pretty much no. So just wanna clarify can a player that has already played participate in the ACE match
ps sorry so long >.<

**rezyn8** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 9:41 AM

Just a question, what is the reasoning of allowing a full Platinum team into a BSG league?

I don't necessarily mind as it adds a bit of a challenge but I thought there was a specific league for PD?

Also could you please fix the name for FaDe in the tables (iFaDe & FaDe-Tier4 is incorrect) the BSG team is collectively known as 'FaDe BSG Ballers'

FaDeBadger · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Just a question, what is the reasoning of allowing a full Platinum team into a BSG league?

I don't necessarily mind as it adds a bit of a challenge but I thought there was a specific league for PD?

Also could you please fix the name for FaDe in the tables (iFaDe & FaDe-Tier4 is incorrect)

In regards to the full Plat team in a "BSG" league, Frogmite said in one of the other threads that the teams were given points based on what league the players were in. So a small team could be in a lower division even though they have slightly stronger players. Might have to wait for the man himself to confirm but I believe this is why.

Volition · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Just a question, what is the reasoning of allowing a full Platinum team into a BSG league?

I don't necessarily mind as it adds a bit of a challenge but I thought there was a specific league for PD?

Also could you please fix the name for FaDe in the tables (iFaDe & FaDe-Tier4 is incorrect)

Firstly, I agree with what Badger said, i think teams were given points on strength. These guys were willing to play in the PD competition (meaning they would probably get smashed, knew it, and signed up anyway).

I dont mind them being in the league. I think there are some players on Zerocraft that can mix it with them, and it is an 11 week competition. and besides, someone has to be the favourite. Also, Tier 4 already has 12 teams.

**inFeZa** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 10:00 AM

This league should be BSG only.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 10:21 AM

Another FaDe update:

Halstrom has been promoted to Gold >

FaDeHalstrom.629 - gg!

x5_Potter · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 11:01 AM

Just to add on to the plat team discussion, I think a lot of teams will do better against the all plat team than against other teams, as they'll be trying to prove a point that they can compete with plat players.

**nirvAnA** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 11:03 AM

Thanks guys for the feedback, the idea behind frogmite's "no league restriction" was so as not to discourage promotion and people getting better as the season progressed. previously some people were forcing themselves to stay in certain leagues just so they could play for their team.

however we were talking yesterday about 1-2 teams which dont look "right" in his league and there might be a better solution like league restrictions i.e max 1 player above diamond per matchday or recalibrating the way we ranked teams.

Anyway some teams look like they are going to drop out after the compliance test and QED can be moved up to tier 4. Also we are thinking of a solution to deal with having plats in tier 5. Don't worry a fix is coming soon!

Quick Comments

	Bugalugs McScruffin:	SEACL Patch 1.1 incoming. :D Keep up the good work.
	ToRMaverick:	Cant wait to see what you come up with... but imo all plats it a little rough on many of the true BSG teams.

Zealo · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 11:08 AM

if they are too strong they'll get promoted next season and things will be fine, there's no team in tier 4 you could consider swapping them with. bigger issues to worry about imo

Bugalugs McScruffin · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealo

if they are too strong they'll get promoted next season and things will be fine, there's no team in tier 4 you could consider swapping them with. bigger issues to worry about imo

The only issue with this is the teams that will get stomped by an all

team this season. Still, this is what the new format is for, so we'll see how they go, or even if they stay in this division for this season.

Quick Comments

ToRSpartaz:

<3 ToR Hwwwiinniiiiing

**Maynarde** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:22 AM

A while back I organized with deL (who was looking for BSG people) to have Kalikah in their ranks. She's a

super hero(ine).

Edarus is in charge of the TA BSG line up, I'll get onto him when I can.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 11:43 AM

Thanks nirvAnA - Like I said it will just make us try harder, just wanted clarification on their participation.

x5_Potter · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 12:06 PM

Bugs you don't know how the season will pan out until it happens. And I like the idea of coming up against plat players, even if we get stomped 6-0, cos it gives the players a gauge of how they need to improve to reach the next league. With the ideas of promotion in mind, we could have an even better team that QED dropping down next season, so I see no problem with dealing with QEDPP this season. And who knows, perhaps a team will get a big upset throughout the season!

Quick Comments

krycek:

upsets do happen last years bsg many happened

TAEdarus · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 12:52 PM

Personally I can see an EASY way to fix the issue...

Two QED teams, ones plat loaded. Why not just mix the teams up a bit so they have a better spread of BSGP representation, bringing them more in line with the competition and hence allowing both participation in this tier?

I was honestly surprised they stacked one team rather than giving both a bit more equality.

I was under the impression this was BSGP, and the next tier was PD... with P being a bit of a skill bleed-over between the leagues (bridging the gap rather than stating there was one) between the skill levels? In which case I personally don't see an issue with Plats being in teams but I think they have to be more evenly loaded across the leagues.

However, that being said, BSG would be slightly more appropriate for the overall skill levels, with the next tier being PD as they're a lot more tight than Bronze->Plat (too wide a player skill variance perhaps?).
(By this I mean it'd be like putting Plats against GMs... just not quite doable)

My 2c!

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

Personally I can see an EASY way to fix the issue...

Two QED teams, ones plat loaded. Why not just mix the teams up a bit so they have a better spread of BSGP representation, bringing them more in line with the competition and hence allowing both participation in this tier?

I was honestly surprised they stacked one team rather than giving both a bit more equality.

Hey, yes I agree and think perhaps Fridge was aiming to have the QED Platinum Prototypes team into the higher tier, but because of the Tier qualification system that team was placed into Tier 5..

As far as all the rules and map pool and discussion: Maynarde and I are converting the rule set used in higher tiers to make it a bit easier for the 'Casual gamers' in tier 5.. such as more subs, and greater flexibility.

More will be out soon, when we have decided on everything..
THANKS!

cottonmouth.891 · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:09 PM

8.QED Krrn and co | 0 | 0 | 0| 0/0 | 0

hi can you please put my race as Terran.

TCPNishy · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:11 PM

Hey just making sure I am able to change my race over to Zerg? I'm CCBBQChipsy from TCP, thanks

cottonmouth.891 · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:12 PM

can we consider some of these maps for the SEAL across the board.

Korean Weekly use these maps, i think they are quite good.

• Bel'Shir Beach Winter
• Calm Before the Storm
• ESV Ithaca
• ESV Sanshorn Mist AE
• ESV Cloud Kingdom

i did mention these to Frogmite at the end of last season 2.

x5_Potter · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:18 PM

The problem with those maps is that a vast majority of the players in this Tier would never have played any of them. I assume mostly tournament variants of ladder maps will be used, with a couple unique GSL ones.

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:52 PM

Zerocraft

Antelope 931

Rythos.198

or

(not sure atm)

Random

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Zerocraft

Antelope 931

Rythos.198

or

(not sure atm)

Random

Random is

- and listed on the ZeroCraft Tier 4

/

team, I cannot accept his addition to the roster, however I'll add other players.

**ToR.Arnor** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Random is

- and listed on the ZeroCraft Tier 4

/

team, I cannot accept his addition to the roster, however I'll add other players.

ok no probs Random was asking to join the team on the thread im guessing he didnt see he was on the list

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 3:22 PM

Updated with a Map Pool too!

Rules that may differ to the higher tiers, and Maynarde and I are currently nutting them out:
-Race Picking (probably allowed, but must remain 1 race each week, cannot play a Bo3 with different races)
-Line up announcement (Higher tiers are required to submit their full line up 24/48 hours before the match 1-4, this may not be the case in tier 5 - we might allow line ups to be made at the start of the match (however all 5 players announced before the match starts to an admin - neither team knows the other teams line up until both have announced).
-Line up order (if a team announces (for example) 2 bronze, 1 silver, 1 gold and a plat Ace - they must play in that order, Match 1 will be Bronze, Match 2 Bronze, Match 3 Silver etc... any league may play in the Ace position, and in the case two players from the same league, the manager must speculate which order they play in.
-Subs (changes to a teams Roster, between 3-5 subs will be permitted to make changes to a teams roster

These rules are not final, just giving you an idea of how we are customising the rules to suit tier 5
Any suggestions are welcome...

Volition · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Updated with a Map Pool too!

Rules that may differ to the higher tiers, and Maynarde and I are currently nutting them out:
-Race Picking (probably allowed, but must remain 1 race each week, cannot play a Bo3 with different races)
-Line up announcement (Higher tiers are required to submit their full line up 24/48 hours before the match 1-4, this may not be the case in tier 5 - we might allow line ups to be made at the start of the match (however all 5 players announced before the match starts to an admin - neither team knows the other teams line up until both have announced).
-Line up order (if a team announces (for example) 2 bronze, 1 silver, 1 gold and a plat Ace - they must play in that order, Match 1 will be Bronze, Match 2 Bronze, Match 3 Silver etc... any league may play in the Ace position, and in the case two players from the same league, the manager must speculate which order they play in.
-Subs (changes to a teams Roster, between 3-5 subs will be permitted to make changes to a teams roster

These rules are not final, just giving you an idea of how we are customising the rules to suit tier 5
Any suggestions are welcome...

What does a change to the roster entail? I understood the subs to be used in other leagues where a player couldnt make it - given that we play with whatever players turn up and are online thursday, how do the subs work?

Also just another query - what happens if a team only has 4 players one week? is a single game forfeited (ace match or normal match?) or it is a walk-over?

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volition

What does a change to the roster entail? I understood the subs to be used in other leagues where a player couldnt make it - given that we play with whatever players turn up and are online thursday, how do the subs work?

Also just another query - what happens if a team only has 4 players one week? is a single game forfeited (ace match or normal match?) or it is a walk-over?

You are correct, in other leagues subs are used to change the line up for the match, week to week.. however, due to the fact that many BSG level players are irregular in their activity we thought it would be better to allow the line ups to be announced at the start of the match.. however teams will have to tell an admin of their line up, before both teams know who they are versing.. as far as the subs that you have in this tier... they are subs to change your teams overall roster. so if a player wishes to join your team half way through the season, you can use a sub to add them.. if you have any changes or additions to your roster, post them here. The rosters are locked after Thursday - but until them you can freely change your line up... just post here before the end of Thursday.

**rezyn8** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 3:29 PM

Re 'Line Up Order' - does this mean I can publish a line up such as P - G - S - B - P?

Is there no requirement to start off with low league players as there was in the BSGCL?

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Re 'Line Up Order' - does this mean I can publish a line up such as P - G - S - B - P?

Is there no requirement to start off with low league players as there was in the BSGCL?

No you can't.. the order must go from lowest league, to highest in the 1-4 matches.. you can pick any player for Ace..
so with that line up you would play B-S-G-P-P OR if you wanted the gold player as ace, B-S-P-P-G

Zealo · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:36 PM

that takes some of the strategy out of it :/ (harder to have players prepare for specific maps)

i can see that's probably not a big deal in this league, should be fun

**rezyn8** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:37 PM

Is it possible to put forward a line up with 5 golds in the event that no B or S players are available. I don't see this being a problem, specially when they could be facing 5 plats?

**syfChadMann** · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Is it possible to put forward a line up with 5 golds in the event that no B or S players are available. I don't see this being a problem, specially when they could be facing 5 plats?

at this stage.. yes it will be.

QEDFridge · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:11 PM

Hi Guys,

As requested, I have mixed our teams up ready to go for next thursday

QED Mixed Lollies

Manager: QEDFridge.623/QEDJenkins
Skype: thefridgemaster

UpWaiting

EternalDrive

QEDDenile

QEDReaper

Yin

/

ReverseCure

QEDFridge

Kescys

laijus

Echoe5

QED Krrn & Co pty ltd

Manager: Krrn.298
skype: jeremy.hollyer

Krrn

Intoccabile

Bigwaffles

Cottonmouth

/

Gore

QEDJenkins

GorillaCream

Schnitzel

/

Mazaire

t0yb0x

Can't wait!

QED HWAITING!

Quick Comments

	Frogmite:	thanks for your understanding <3
	x5_Potter:	Wish I could up rep more than once. This is an awesome show of good manner toward everyone :)
	Volition:	very manner.if tghose 5 plats for Krrn & Co turn up it is a scary team!!
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	QED paving the way for Manner Team of the Season!
	rezyn8:	Cheers - would have been good to test our might against the feared plats though :p
	DeNile:	im a mixed lollie
	asdfSchnitzel:	Oh noes! Now i have to vs fridge and yin yin! =(
	FSBenAD:	Agreed, very manner :)

cottonmouth.891 · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 7:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QEDFridge

Hi Guys,

As requested, I have mixed our teams up ready to go for next thursday

QED Mixed Lollies

Manager: QEDFridge.623/QEDJenkins
Skype: thefridgemaster

UpWaiting

EternalDrive

QEDDenile

QEDReaper

Yin

/

ReverseCure

QEDFridge

Kescys

laijus

Echoe5

QED Krrn & Co pty ltd

Manager: Krrn.298
skype: jeremy.hollyer

Krrn

Intoccabile

Bigwaffles

Cottonmouth

/

Gore

QEDJenkins

GorillaCream

Schnitzel

/

Mazaire

t0yb0x

Can't wait!

QED HWAITING!

hey can you change my race to Terran :P

x5_Potter · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:12 PM

Very very manner from QED to mix the teams up!

We have a score to settle with NovaReapz who applied for us then turned up in QED's SEACL team

Good luck guys!

Quick Comments

	QEDFridge:	<3
	NovaReapz:	Sorry Guys

NDG.Stitch · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:35 PM

How many tiers will this thing have....... o.o it's like endless. PRACTICE LEAGUE TIER PLOX FOR ME.

x5_Potter · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:55 PM

Tier 5 is effectively the BSG league, with a few plats thrown in there

QEDFridge · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 8:55 PM

I still lose my shit at "edarus and friends" everytime I read it.

you edarus

Quick Comments

TAEdarus:

Who doesn't?

TAEdarus · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 9:40 PM

Why do you lose your shit? lol

QEDFridge · Tue, 10th-Jan-2012, 9:48 PM

It just sounds so funny.

I see the TA lineup and all the team names which are all pretty epic, then you get to the bsg team and its called "Edarus and friends" I just laughed so hard when I first read it.

Purely because it fits your personality so much.

Quick Comments

	NovaReapz:
	deL:	Smeggy Surprise - certainly epic :P

QEDFridge · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 6:49 AM

Chad, could you please change UpWiaiting to gold please.

Cheers.

asdfSchnitzel · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 7:09 AM

Oh god, this is going to be interesting when i have to vs the zerg platniums in QED, cause they know my pvz build 0.0

**rezyn8** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 8:43 AM

Woot more Terrans!

Kalikah · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:15 AM

I was wondering if I was in it? If so who to contact? I specially asked my manager not to roster me Thursday nights so I can play

Quick Comments

Maynarde:

Dedication

x5_Potter · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:17 AM

Which team did you sign up with Kali?

Kalikah · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:18 AM

Apparently I'm meant to be in TA??

x5_Potter · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:19 AM

They still have a spot so if you tell them they haven't got you on there it should be alright to get added. I think rosters are still open so it won't cost a sub either

Kalikah · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:35 AM

Thanks Maynarde but I'm a big girl I can organise it myself. I'll contact him personally.

Quick Comments

nirvAnA:

loled

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:36 AM

Done.. Kahlikah is on the roster - I put her down as Random? is that right?...
Edarus will be fine with it.. I'll make sure.. ^_^

Quick Comments

	Kalikah:	Thanks Chad :D yep I'm random!
	Maynarde:	Big Mann

krycek · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:44 AM

read through thread still cant find
1.the ace match, can a player that has played game1-4 partake in this prestigious event ?
2.lol i forgot the question i had how sad.'

EDIT question 2

x5_Potter · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:45 AM

krycek...
1. No they can't, 5 different players.
2. I don't know how to answer a blank question

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

krycek...
1. No they can't, 5 different players.
2. I don't know how to answer a blank question

Potthead, in this occasion, is technically correct.... The best kind of Correct.

TAEdarus · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QEDFridge

Purely because it fits your personality so much.

Are you saying I have a big ego? Lol!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Done.. Kahlikah is on the roster - I put her down as Random? is that right?... Edarus will be fine with it.. I'll make sure.. ^_^

Yehbru all is good, thanks for that Chad! If it wasn't for this pesky work thing...

Kalikah · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 1:17 PM

Awesome

does this mean i get to put TA in front of my name now... and enter the TA skype chat group I've been hearing so much about :P

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalikah

Awesome

does this mean i get to put TA in front of my name now... and enter the TA skype chat group I've been hearing so much about :P

your a TA friend.. if you want to join, go to www.clan-ta.com and apply.
Only accepting Masters+ atm tho.. sry..

**Maynarde** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

your a TA friend.. if you want to join, go to www.clan-ta.com and apply.
Only accepting Masters+ atm tho.. sry..

Must've missed the memo where you made Masters?

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**syfChadMann** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Must've missed the memo where you made Masters?

Oh, my application was requested. cause I iz a bauwsss

TAEdarus · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 1:37 PM

You're a friend of Edarus, hence the Edarus and Friends :P

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Kalikah:

Friends with benefits!

krycek · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:05 PM

problem guys, Just found out that Huk is now diamond/ not plat like was originally stated. Oppinions on where to go from here maynarde chaddman?

Also, i just remembered my question 2 XD well how many plats are allowed to play per round ( i mean i wont put in a full 5 plat players but most of my regulars are plat >.<)

**rezyn8** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:08 PM

I'd say that Diamond players before the start of the SEACL2 would not be allowed to play in Tier 5, but that is my 2c.

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krycek:

all good my exact thoughts i wont be using huk

Bugalugs McScruffin · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

I'd say that Diamond players before the start of the SEACL2 would not be allowed to play in Tier 5, but that is my 2c.

So I should start practising after the start of the League?

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FaDeBadger:

Yes, lol.

QEDFridge · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:47 PM

Hey Guys,

Could you please change Kescys' league to silver, he was just promoted.

He's in QED Mixed Lollies.

Cheers,
Fridge.

**ToRSpartaz** · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 2:50 PM

Chaddy Chad Chad

DDD

Could you please add for me?

-

ToRNamasTe

?

Cheeers mate ^^ sorry about the bother

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ToRNamasTe:

<3

nOtse · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 3:29 PM

Hi Chad,

We at Team HoH have the following changes to our line up:

-

- Rythmatik - Moved up Division

-

- EoWxBrutos - New to roster

Thanks

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NovaReapz:

Yes I get to verse my bro EoW

QEDFridge · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 5:10 PM

Hi Chad,

Can you please add

metalroach.922

to QED Mixed Lollies.

Cheers,
Kyle.

nOtse · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 6:29 PM

Just a quick question.

The maps in the map pool - anyone know where is an easy place to download them all?

Cheers

deL · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rythmatik

Just a quick question.

The maps in the map pool - anyone know where is an easy place to download them all?

Cheers

Battle.net

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nOtse · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 8:27 PM

Would you care to elaborate more?

Under the battlenet mods & maps I can not find them.
I was under the assumption that these are possibly edited versions of original maps such as added destructable rocks or gold expansions replaced by normal ect?

And going by the rep comments maybe I looked for no reason at battlenet?
Excuse me for the fact I am still new to this game and site.
If there are such variations on the maps ofcourse I would like to make myself familiar with them before a tournament.

deL · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 9:01 PM

You don't need to download the maps, just get someone else to host and when you accept the invite and join the game, it will download for you and you won't have to do it again. If you really want to download the maps, you can go into the game, go to multiplayer and 'create' and use a search to find those specific maps. This will make you host the map after you have downloaded it (meaning when you get an invite in the future you will go straight in without having to download it first).

nOtse · Wed, 11th-Jan-2012, 9:09 PM

Alright than.
Thank you deL

TAEaeron · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 9:21 AM

I know that I may be stirring the pot, but hey I have a spoon!

I have a couple of questions based on the W/O rulings

1) Will the W/O be handed to the team that was logged in on the Thursday, if no reschedule can be organised?
I know that opening rules post says:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

will be designated a time by an admin.

I feel this could infact assist the team that is unable to show on the Thursday night.

2) If say 5 players for 1 team and 3 for the other team are on, are the games able to be played?
- If so, will the last two games be played at a later date if possible?
- Will the order of those games be Game1/Game2/Game3 or will they be able to choose ie (we will play Game3/Game4/Ace Match) as that's the players that we have on?

3) How long is given before a W/O is announced (not in the rules list in op or the Rules/Format Thread)?

4) How early does a re-schedule have to be announced?
- Can the announcements be put in the weekly thread (assume there is one, if not happy to help out with doing such a thing)?

I know that we are trying to get as many games/teams playing as possible.
It does get a little annoying not knowing what nights to logon though.

Just noticed that this is a longish post sorry guys!

Bugalugs McScruffin · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 9:53 AM

Hey TAEaeron,

Will be interesting to see what the Admin's say about this, but here's my views on the issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

I know that I may be stirring the pot, but hey I have a spoon!

I have a couple of questions based on the W/O rulings

1) Will the W/O be handed to the team that was logged in on the Thursday, if no reschedule can be organised?
I know that opening rules post says: I feel this could infact assist the team that is unable to show on the Thursday night.

Any players that are not present on the Thursday night will be walkovered if there is no reschedule. There is the possibility for walkovers to occur for both teams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

2) If say 5 players for 1 team and 3 for the other team are on, are the games able to be played?
- If so, will the last two games be played at a later date if possible?
- Will the order of those games be Game1/Game2/Game3 or will they be able to choose ie (we will play Game3/Game4/Ace Match) as that's the players that we have on?

Any games that can be played will be played. I assume that the matchups that are online will be played as they are the ones that were posted. If you have anyone not there you will not be able to choose which games people play, it is decided before hand when you submit your roster. It could end up that you have everyone except your Ace player and the Ace match is a walkover. Or you only have your Ace player and so only the Ace match is played and all other matches are walkovers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

3) How long is given before a W/O is announced (not in the rules list in op or the Rules/Format Thread)?

This is an interesting question and I would like to know the Admin's ruling. Personally if I was an Admin I would be tempted to give a zero-tolerance ruling (ie. At the specified time if a player is not there a walkover is given.) Players should be ready at the time of their match. Players should be jumping online 15-30 minutes before their match to make sure they are ready and that the rest of their team is ready.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

4) How early does a re-schedule have to be announced?
- Can the announcements be put in the weekly thread (assume there is one, if not happy to help out with doing such a thing)?

Reschedules need to be announced at least 24 hours before the match. This was posted in the Rules/Format thread I believe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

I know that we are trying to get as many games/teams playing as possible.
It does get a little annoying not knowing what nights to logon though.

Just noticed that this is a longish post sorry guys!

Don't worry about the longish post.

I believe this should work as any other sport. You have your match day that you make or you don't. You don't reschedule. In the case of playing against a Singaporean or New Zealand team, maybe shift it forward or back an hour to accommodate, but this would need to be announced at the beginning of the week. The less rescheduling occurring the better for everyone. As rezyn stated, it's a league, so you should rock up when the games are on. I have two other places I could be on a Thursday night, which is why I didn't enter the BSGCL, but I have made a commitment to play in this league on a Thursday night.

EDIT: Haha, it looks like we agree on this last part.

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 9:31 AM

My personal view is that if you cannot make the official SEACL time (Thursdays from 8pm AEDT) then you should not be in the league.

This was a huge issue in the BSGCL2 last year where it was a continual battle to find a suitable time because x number of players could not make a Thursday. We (FaDe) always tried to accommodate this, but unless there is a really good reason that is vetted by the admins, I think everyone should be playing on the Thursday night.

I have already organised my team to be available for next Thursday, making adjustments to this will be difficult to say the least as the team has already committed to Thursday for the league as a whole. Changing schedules without good reason is just a nightmare to organise.

Re-scheduling games is unfair to those who have accepted and committed to the League's official game night and the admins running the show and casters with increased management and committing to extra work outside official league timings.

nOtse · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:02 PM

Think this was missed earleir as main post has not been edited.

Hi Chad,

We at Team HoH have the following changes to our line up:

-

- rythmatik - Moved up Division

-

- EoWxBrutos - New to roster

Thanks

TAEaeron · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 9:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Re-scheduling games is unfair to those who have accepted and committed to the League's official game night and the admins running the show and casters with increased management and committing to extra work outside official league timings.

Completely agree with this!!!
When agreeing to partake in the SEACL#2 I understood that I no longer hav Thursday nights to myself for 2 months, I instead get to spend it with the like of Chadman/Edarus and such.

I can understand if some members of a team cannot make it, but no team on the roster only has 5 players, it might be the best team that you can put out, but at least you have a team.

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**|Erasmus|** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

Completely agree with this!!!
When agreeing to partake in the SEACL#2 I understood that I no longer hav Thursday nights to myself for 2 months, I instead get to spend it with the like of Chadman/Edarus and such.

I can understand if some members of a team cannot make it, but no team on the roster only has 5 players, it might be the best team that you can put out, but at least you have a team.

To be perfectly fair... thursdays were not mentioned until well after signups, so it's not fair to discriminate against people who can't make that day either.

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krycek:

true iv had several players made redundant because of this (mathmick, naviC)

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 10:21 AM

Dear Mr Mann,

Could you please add the following player to the

FaDe BSG Ballers roster:

deadpixel.725 - After discussion with The Chad, because of laddering on NA (where he has reached platinum) his league for this event will be considered Gold

Thank you!

Much

krycek · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 10:47 AM

so i'll ask again as my post was buried >.< is there a set limit on the number of plats in a round that are played?

also as an edit as Huk is a diamond player ( bit unfair in this division as i agreed with rezyn8,

**Maynarde** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCPkrycek

so i'll ask again as my post was buried >.< is there a set limit on the number of plats in a round that are played?

No but we will probably force a line up change every week / couple weeks so that everyone gets a go and the team isn't always so stacked if they have many

players.

Halstrom · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:40 AM

This might have already been covered, but seeing as line-ups are named days before, how will late changes be handled/allowed. This IS the lowest tier after all, and if someone commits to a Thursday game on Saturday but has some issue arise in those 5 days it is a bit harsh to just walk that spot over.

TLDR = 1/. Are late changes to lineups allowed, and how?, and 2/. Should the concept of a "named emergency" be introduced to prevent silly walkovers (after all even pro sports have this concept)?

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 10:48 AM

No I don't believe so

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 10:48 AM

Also - official rules from nirVaNa: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3276

krycek · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:46 AM

so just to confirm the changes to the TCP line-up
replacing

TCPmathmick with

NaroZilla. 994

(staytuned)
also need admin feed back on

Huk inclusion in this tourney?

breadfan · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:47 AM

I don't think that linups are named days before in this tier

krycek · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breadfan

I don't think that linups are named days before in this tier

i read the link ryzen8 sent me its 24 hours for tier 5
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3276

x5_Potter · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:57 AM

ChadMann and Maynarde have decided that in Tier 5 line-ups will be told to the admins on the night of play, before matches begin. Both teams tell the admin their line-up, then the admins will ok the line-up and say them in chat(I believe) then games can start.

breadfan · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:58 AM

Oh ok, I know that Chad specifically said that it was a rule they were looking at and that the plan was to allow greater leniency in this tier. I guess what's specifically stated is the go, though

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:10 PM

Okay.. okay.. hold up everyone, nirvAnA and Frogmite developed a rule set (generic for all tiers) and then quickly adapted for some of the tiers.. HOWEVER, Maynarde and I are permitted to customise these rules. We have been taking suggestions from other tier admins as how to do this, and have a reasonable idea of what we are going to do... but Mr Maynarde, has been rather busy the last few days with work. So he and I have not had the chance to finalise how the rules will work.

Please stay tuned, something will be up tonight or tomorrow about this. so no need to worry about what is written now, a new rule set for tier 5 will be available soon. As I said in my earlier post, this will cover match line ups, times for matches, subs and many other things to give this tier greater flexibility.

Also, default start time might be sliding back to 9pm AEDT. However, as with last season, if both managers agree that they would like to play on Saturday at 4pm thats fine, or when ever - as long as it is before the following Wednesday. Last season, most managers were very accommodating and allowed teams to reorganise the play time. Do it amongst yourselfs, then post in this thread the rescheduled time. If one manager is trying to get free wins and is stubborn about when you play then it will soon become known, and when that manager tries to reschedule a match, no one will want to help them. So be nice, work it out. and gl hf

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400 rep! Thanks for the constant updates :)

x5_Potter · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:11 PM

Or you could just ignore me cos I didn't read the other thread first! :P Maynarde says it's 24hours before-hand now and there is a sub allowed for no-shows, but the same race is required. Sorry for confusing you

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

To be perfectly fair... thursdays were not mentioned until well after signups, so it's not fair to discriminate against people who can't make that day either.

Regardless - it has been agreed by the majority that Thursdays are the set day for the fixture. Without a good reason, and I do mean a very good reason, the fixture should be played on the Thursday.

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Regardless - it has been agreed by the majority that Thursdays are the set day for the fixture. Without a good reason, and I do mean a very good reason, the fixture should be played on the Thursday.

yeah.. But we are allowing people to reschedule their matches if they need too (if notice is given in advance)...

Stay tuned, we will have something for you all soon!

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rezyn8:

Thanks Mann!

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 12:48 PM

Also, after discussing with Frogmite, he has agreed that it would be best to move

HuK.916 up to TCP's tier 4 team. He has been removed from TCP's Tier 5 team.

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 1:06 PM

Chad - could you please update the following players:

FaDeMrBadass.607

Excuses.859

Cheers

Jaywalk · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 1:08 PM

so 8 or 9 tonight? have read both now.

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 1:18 PM

This starts next week.

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Bugalugs McScruffin:

Beat me to it. :D ChadMann being a total baller Admin.

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 1:44 PM

zomg.. I just did all the changes.. then My internet cut out just before I pressed 'Save' to the changes.. T_T
All additions are being put in now, if you have anymore changes to your team please post ASAP, team rosters lock tonight. Managers, please check with your team that their leagues are correct ... And the teams that need to do a Compliance test, get onto it!!.. Check if you are required to in the compliance test thread.

Edit: please check your rosters are correct!

**rezyn8** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 2:47 PM

Damn interwebs!

Clan FaDe change requests have not been applied:

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

FaDeMrBadass.607

Excuses.859

deadpixel.725 - After discussion with The Chad, because of laddering on NA (where he has reached platinum) his league for this event will be considered Gold

Jaywalk · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 2:52 PM

oh got the dates wrong, no worries.

krycek · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 6:58 PM

you have missed
replacing

TCPmathmick with

NaroZilla. 994

Dougolas · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 7:44 PM

Some of our team may have changed races am I able to re-register there race before a certain date? I accept that you can't change close to the start due to people practising certain match ups etc. I was just wondering if there was a way of changing this

If it's here HoHdougolas

& HoHdeano is

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ProAnnn:

according to the rules, your players may use whatever race you choose to submit. For example, when you PM chadmann, you can PM him with whichever race you want your player to play.

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 12th-Jan-2012, 11:10 PM

Race picking is permitted in Tier 5.. as long as you play the same race for the entire Best of 3 series.

I understand that alot of BSG level players are still finding their feet in this game.. and working out which race is best for them. So of course if you chose to change race, or as Dougolas has suggested the roster has your race down wrong, thats okay. I'll update those additions, and go through the thread to find anything else I might have missed...

However, the Roster changes are now locked... that means, no more additions to the rosters.However, if you need to change your race then just post in here, or PM Maynarde and I..

And speaking of Mr Maynarde, your other illustrious Tier 5 admin.. He is currently wording the new rule set for tier 5 that will give you guys greater flexibility, while remaining a competitive league.
Stay tuned! - Good luck, and as always, have nice fun....

**Maynarde** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:06 AM

Hi there Tier 5! Here with the official rule update that Chad and I (with the help of some other admins) have come up with.

1. Submit your LINE UP (5 players) 24 HOURS before play time
This makes life a little easier for the admins, we have ALOT of games to manage and need to have a list of 5 players per team to make sure they are present on the night. These 5 players are selected by the team managers from their rosters which have already been submitted.

2. Your starting line up has 1 WILDCARD A WEEK to cover no-shows, 4 SUBS for full line up
I tried to truncate the rule into a single line but I can see how the language can be a bit vague, let me explain; BSGCL had it's fair share of no shows and that sucked. Because Tier 5 is a bit more lenient then other leagues we have allowed teams to cover 1 NO SHOW from their full team line-up into their playing line-up with a WILDCARD.

Separately to this, each team is allowed 4 SUBS to their full team line-up in the form of removing players from their roster and replacing them or adding new ones all together. If a manager decides their WILDCARD no show replacement should be outside of their full line-up then needless to say this will count as their weekly WILDCARD and also count towards their 4 subs for the season.

Full line-up = Entire player roster.
Playing line-up = The 5 selected players for that week.

3. Your WILDCARD must be the SAME LEAGUE OR LOWER of the player being replaced.
This is so that no one doesn't show against a player they don't feel confident against, and simply be replaced by a much stronger player.

4. You must CHANGE ONE PLAYER of your playing line-up weekly
This is so that everyone gets a go. We ARE allowing people who are

that get promoted to

to keep playing.

The idea of this Tier to ladder, improve, better yourself and your team. The only way to get into Tier 4 is to get shinier league icons. In the interest of fairness to the other teams we will only allow 2

OR HIGHER players on a playing line-up per week. That means your other 3 players will need to be BSG. This rule will be re-visited if most people get promoted to

or higher. That is the idea after all.

Teams will be locked tonight at 12pm SGT (bout an hour). Sorry this too so long to get done, I been a busy lad.

Play day for Tier 5 will be Thursdays because Thursday night was decided a few times in a row by BSGCL and PDCL folk to be the most popular night for play. DO NOT STRESS, you will only need to play ONE BO3. This isn't all kill, all games are played at once.

So there you go, please everyone provided constructive criticism if you have any, or praise! I like praise. So does ChadMann.

PS. Keep in mind I wrote this while tired, if I missed any rules ChadMann will no doubt notify me and if I miss-spelled or wasn't clear on something do post in this thread with your thoughts

Peace out Tier 5

Zealo · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:34 AM

we have only 1 random and only 1 terran, rule 3 could be a big problem for us. i guess we'll have to make sure those two show up

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealo

we have only 1 random and only 1 terran, rule 3 could be a big problem for us. i guess we'll have to make sure those two show up

Yes, This same race thing we decided against.. and as Maynarde was so tired.. he forgot to change it...
I believe, it should be same League, or lower.

EDIT, also DEFAULT play time will be 9pm AEDT, if both teams would prefer to play at 8.. thats fine.. work it out amongst the managers and let us know when you are playing (in the weekly news thread that shows the line ups would be fine....?)

**Maynarde** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Yes, This same race thing we decided against.. and as Maynarde was so tired.. he forgot to change it...
I believe, it should be same League, or lower.

EDIT, also DEFAULT play time will be 9pm AEDT, if both teams would prefer to play at 8.. thats fine.. work it out amongst the managers and let us know when you are playing (in the weekly news thread that shows the line ups would be fine....?)

Sorry, I fixed that rule up.

Also re: starting time I believe 9pm AEDT is the most popular choice by far in the Time Poll thread, but as Chad mentioned;

You are free to reschedule games as long as you notify the admins and get an agreement from the opposing team manager.

The match ups are already done and live in the Challonge bracket. So team managers, check em out and if you need to reschedule games it's best to start early. The team managers are listed in the second post of this thread, make sure you get in touch ASAP!

Volition · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 8:06 AM

Great set of rules Admins, loving your work.

Just a suggestion, feel free to disregard:- teams must not use the same ace two weeks in a row. with the ace match being so important, and most of us being BSG lvl, the benefit a plat (and possibly diamond if they are promoted) is massive. why not make it so you cant use the same two weeks in row - even if two guys swap ace positions each week. The ace from the previous week could of course play in the team, just not as the ace

Actualyl this one isnt necessary at all, just a thought. cheers

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**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volition

Great set of rules Admins, loving your work.

Just a suggestion, feel free to disregard:- teams must not use the same ace two weeks in a row. with the ace match being so important, and most of us being BSG lvl, the benefit a plat (and possibly diamond if they are promoted) is massive. why not make it so you cant use the same two weeks in row - even if two guys swap ace positions each week. The ace from the previous week could of course play in the team, just not as the ace

Actualyl this one isnt necessary at all, just a thought. cheers

I like this rule.. perhaps not same ace 2 weeks in a row tho... idk
Maynarde?

**rezyn8** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:03 AM

Maybe for the ACE match have a set league for alternating weeks. This would give the BSG players a chance to strut their stuff, as I can foresee this always being a high gold or platinum only match.

For example:

Week 1 - BSGP
Week 2 - B
Week 3 - S
Week 4 - G
Week 5 - BSGP
etc

Just a thought...

Volition · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Maybe for the ACE match have a set league for alternating weeks. This would give the BSG players a chance to strut their stuff, as I can foresee this always being a high gold or platinum only match.

For example:

Week 1 - BSGP
Week 2 - B
Week 3 - S
Week 4 - G
Week 5 - BSGP
etc

Just a thought...

I dont think that will work Rezyn, as some teams dont have bronzes or plats.

Completely agree with your Potthead, was just thinking about a potential team that has 1 great guy and the rest ok or so so beating or drawing with a team that has all goodish players. but like i said, it was just a thought and will not detract from the awesome sauce this event will be!

x5_Potter · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:56 AM

It's an ace match, it's meant to be the best player o.0 Thanks for posting all the rules Mayn, and don't worry about it taking a while, at least they're thorough and not chunked together last minute

x5_Potter · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 11:06 AM

Yeah I agree Volition, but the ace match is only 2 points, so another player on the team has to win a game each week as well for a team with an awesome ace player to salvage a draw.

FSBenAD · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:01 PM

Thank you guys so much for all the effort you are putting in.

I have a question Re Rule 4 - You must change a player weekly

What if no one else is free 2 weeks in a row but the same 5? Would this mean we would use our wildcard for that week, as we'd need to name someone else who wouldn't be coming?

And I assume we only count it by the 5 people who actually played.

IE If I named A,B,C,D and E to play, but F had to wildcard for E, would it be valid to let A,B,C,D and E play next week?

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BenAD

Thank you guys so much for all the effort you are putting in.

I have a question Re Rule 4 - You must change a player weekly

What if no one else is free 2 weeks in a row but the same 5? Would this mean we would use our wildcard for that week, as we'd need to name someone else who wouldn't be coming?

And I assume we only count it by the 5 people who actually played.

IE If I named A,B,C,D and E to play, but F had to wildcard for E, would it be valid to let A,B,C,D and E play next week?

ermmm.. If you name five players one week.. only four of the same five can play the next week.. and players cannot play 3 weeks in a row, of course we will make considerations for small teams, if they contact us. But if it is obvious that the same five players play each week then a 1 match walk over will be given, if a replacement player can no be used, you won't have to use a wildcard, just you cannot use the same 5. If you have no option but to use the same 5 players, and there is a significant reason, contact Maynarde or I and we will work it out.... if not, 1 player of your 5 will not be permitted to earn points for their match (they can still play the match for the fun and experience though). but the Points will be Auto awarded to the other team.

If this rule becomes difficult for some teams, either use a sub and add an active player into your roster. If you've used all your subs, Maynarde and I can reconsider this rule.. if it becomes and issue. The objective of these rules was to make teams rotate their roster and not use an all star line up every week, to give everyone a chance of playing.

Zealo · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TAChadMann

and players cannot play 3 weeks in a row

this is not in maynarde's rule post...

i don't like it, makes rostering players very complicated. the 'change one player per week' rule also makes things complicated but isn't going to potentially lead to a situation that 4 out of 7 active players are ineligible to play on a certain week.

if you are going to enforce a 'not the same ace 2 weeks in a row' then please remove the 'players must be registered in order of league' rule (that also isn't in maynarde's post). a team with only 1 player in plat (or 1 player in gold if no plats) would be forced to sit out their best (ranked) player every second week with these rules combined...

the new rule 3 also makes little sense, if it wasn't there and a team wanted to abuse the wildcard system somehow then they would have just named the better player in the first place i feel?

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zealo

if you are going to enforce a 'not the same ace 2 weeks in a row' then please remove the 'players must be registered in order of league' rule (that also isn't in maynarde's post). a team with only 1 player in plat (or 1 player in gold if no plats) would be forced to sit out their best (ranked) player every second week with these rules combined...

the new rule 3 also makes little sense, if it wasn't there and a team wanted to abuse the wildcard system somehow then they would have just named the better player in the first place i feel?

The rules are being revised due to the response from everyone here.. However, we will not be removing the league order ruling.

To aid in the new revised rules, please provide constructive feedback and suggestions as to how we can permit small teams to perform unhindered, while forcing changes in the roster.

At this stage, I think, either: 2 changes enforced per week.. that is all play the same Ace every week if you want. OR 1 change per week, not the same ace per week. this means, you need 6 players two of which have the ability to ace for your team.

If anyone has a constructive idea on how we can promote team rotation, then please post.

x5_Potter · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:31 PM

I like the rule about at least 1 different player a week, but not the one about players can't play 3 weeks in a row. If one of my players keeps winning, I'm gonna keep playing him. There's already the no same ace 2 weeks in a row, and at least one different player a week rule. Anymore player restrictions will start suffocating teams and diminish the quality. The players can't play 3 weeks in a row is potentially punishing players who have practiced and played well enough to win.

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ROOTPetraeus · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

I like the rule about at least 1 different player a week, but not the one about players can't play 3 weeks in a row. If one of my players keeps winning, I'm gonna keep playing him. There's already the no same ace 2 weeks in a row, and at least one different player a week rule. Anymore player restrictions will start suffocating teams and diminish the quality. The players can't play 3 weeks in a row is potentially punishing players who have practiced and played well enough to win.

can't give rep, but agree

breadfan · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:37 PM

remember this is a BSGP league. It's not about quality. I like the idea about rotating people in. I like the admin choice to force this, and I think that if you care about results, you should aim to be in a higher div next season!

x5_Potter · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:42 PM

It's not about results for me, it's about giving the players who practice a go. The rule for my team is more practice, more play. I want the people who practice most to be rewarded with being able to play each week, because they've earned it. If a silver on my team practices more than my best player, I will play the silver player because he has put the effort in. The new rule could effectively punish players who put in the effort to get to play each week, only to be told they can't cos they've already played a couple weeks in a row.

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FSBenAD · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:46 PM

Agree with what you said Potthead. I also feel like maybe it would be better to have a simpler system in this case.

Maybe instead of 1 per week and no 3 weeks in a row, you can just do one or the other?
IE - maybe 2 changes per week?

Whatever you guys decide is fine, just throwing ideas around

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:48 PM

We are just trying to rotate the rosters around... the rule on no 1 Ace two weeks in a row, doesn't mean someone that played as Ace can't play in the 1-4 spots for their team. All you really need to do, is swap over 1-2 people per week. We are trying to stop All star line ups and give everyone a go, people that aren't practising might get a boost of confidence in their play if they are sent out and either win, and surprise themselves, or get owned and have the desire to practice hard so it doesn't happen again!!

3 weeks in a row its quite good, what it means is your best player, that practices and plays the most, only needs 2 rest weeks for the whole season!.. that is quite a lot of game time for your hardest practising players! However, if it become and issue, we might revisit the rule. However, effectively, Maynarde and I have 3 weeks to work it out.

FSBenAD · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:52 PM

Isn't it 3 weeks off?
2 games on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off, 1 game on (10 matches)

Or I am understanding it wrong and its actually 3 weeks, then they have to have a week off..
Because that makes it
3 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, 2 games on (10 matches)

EDIT: Just clarifying here so I can try and plan out who plays when, with holidays and stuff

Im fine with the rule itself.

FSBenAD · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 12:57 PM

ChadMann / Maynarde - Just a promotion roster update, Zomgrofl on our team made it to

today.

**rezyn8** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 1:31 PM

Players cannot play 3 weeks in a row? What?

From my point of view, I will be rotating players, but a team will need to have 9 regular players to fulfil this requirement.

Edit: If you impose the rule of 1 new player each week that will encourage roster rotation without imposing a restriction on the players.

BSG players are notorious for disappearing. Why are there so many restrictions for this tier where subs and wildcards will have to be constantly used for small teams and for those players who have real life commitments that come up and there is no other recourse but to use the same five players or break the 3 week rule?

FaDe had a large roster in the BSGCL, but it was generally a core of 5 players that made it to most games. And as experience from BSGCL showed, a lot of BSG players just up and disappeared for no reason and weren't contactable... ever.

Maybe I am mis-interpreting this 3 week thing but it is going to cause a few headaches and walkovers which is not what we want.

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rezyn8

Players cannot play 3 weeks in a row? What?

From my point of view, I will be rotating players, but a team will need to have 9 regular players to fulfil this requirement.

Edit: If you impose the rule of 1 new player each week that will encourage roster rotation without imposing a restriction on the players.

BSG players are notorious for disappearing. Why are there so many restrictions for this tier where subs and wildcards will have to be constantly used for small teams and for those players who have real life commitments that come up and there is no other recourse but to use the same five players or break the 3 week rule?

FaDe had a large roster in the BSGCL, but it was generally a core of 5 players that made it to most games. And as experience from BSGCL showed, a lot of BSG players just up and disappeared for no reason and weren't contactable... ever.

Maybe I am mis-interpreting this 3 week thing but it is going to cause a few headaches and walkovers which is not what we want.

Rotate your roster, keep your team active and you won't have to worry about it. IF someone becomes inactive, sub someone else into your roster that will be active. I would rather permit a team that has lots of inactive players more subs to bring active players in rather than have the same 5 people play for that team each week.

**|Erasmus|** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Rotate your roster, keep your team active and you won't have to worry about it. IF someone becomes inactive, sub someone else into your roster that will be active. I would rather permit a team that has lots of inactive players more subs to bring active players in rather than have the same 5 people play for that team each week.

I do really hate the attitude that clans should just "find more players" mid season and stuff if people are becoming inactive.

I support rotating the roster, but enforcing 9 active players to be able to meet these new arbitrary requirements when the signup thread specifically said that 8 players are needed to form the team is just a little ridiculous, imo.

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**ToRSpartaz** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rezyn8

Players cannot play 3 weeks in a row? What? .

I like this notion, gives players more competitive experience and develops the team more. Good call by the admins, I like this initiative.

**rezyn8** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 1:51 PM

I think you missed the point of my post:

- 9 active players required to fulfil the 3 week rule
- 3 week rule is bad, please remove it
- I will be rotating my roster, but I agree with Potthead

**Maynarde** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 2:22 PM

I'm fine for dragging the 3 week rotation rule. I can see how it would cause issues for some teams, and not particularly attached to it. You must still rotate a player a week, and I strongly encourage full roster rotations. The idea of this Tier is to improve and get into higher tiers, if you're not getting a go you don't feel the need to practice.

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breadfan · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 2:50 PM

You only need 8 active players for it to work, but I can see the point.

I would hope that there is some room for discretion... Like if it turns out that a team only has 5 possible players online, they shouldn't be penalised - the point is it's a bit more casual than the higher leagues after all. But it should come down to the manager talking to the admins and saying "hey, we don't have any choice" - admin's have everyone's character code and can check if necessary that others on the roster really aren't online.

So to clarify, I still support the forced rotation and think that admins should be able to make exceptions for the smooth flow of the league - I'd rather be on a team that loses 0-5 than be on a team than one that wins with 3 walkovers.

**Maynarde** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zealo

this is not in maynarde's rule post...

i don't like it, makes rostering players very complicated. the 'change one player per week' rule also makes things complicated but isn't going to potentially lead to a situation that 4 out of 7 active players are ineligible to play on a certain week.

No it's not in my rule post and it's not a rule, it's something we discussed to put in my rule post but as you'll see halfway up this page I said that we're fine with dragging the 3 week rule.

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Originally Posted by Zealo

if you are going to enforce a 'not the same ace 2 weeks in a row' then please remove the 'players must be registered in order of league' rule (that also isn't in maynarde's post). a team with only 1 player in plat (or 1 player in gold if no plats) would be forced to sit out their best (ranked) player every second week with these rules combined...

No it's not in my post because again it's not a rule, we're not putting players out in order of league. This is something ChadMann and I discussed but figured player rotation would be good enough, and most people would be using their highest level player for the ace match regardless. I like the "not the same aces 2 weeks in a row" thing I can see it working.

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Originally Posted by Zealo

the new rule 3 also makes little sense, if it wasn't there and a team wanted to abuse the wildcard system somehow then they would have just named the better player in the first place i feel?

What? I'm sorry man forgive me but I read this paragraph through a couple times and I don't understand it so you'll have to help me with this one. Sorry I think I'm over tired or something.

The reasoning behind the 3 week rule was so that teams don't have THIS situation;

Week 1	Week 2
Player A	Player A
Player B	Player B
Player C	Player C
Player D->F	Player F->D
Player E	Player E

Without that rule, it's technically OK for teams to rotate the same player out a week, and replacing him with another player then putting that player back again over and over and over. We are going to drag the 3 week rule, but PLEASE don't do this. We want to see a good healthy rotation in every team, give everyone a week off at least once, give everyone in your team a go I'm sure you want them ALL to improve not just a handful. Even small teams should be able to do this (Example: Don't sub D for F every week, sub A for D instead and B next week or something).

Zealo · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maynarde

No it's not in my post because again it's not a rule, we're not putting players out in order of league.

ok, gives players a lot more flexibility picking a starting map

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What? I'm sorry man forgive me but I read this paragraph through a couple times and I don't understand it so you'll have to help me with this one. Sorry I think I'm over tired or something.

sorry i can see how that's not clear.
it was referring to the post you made, where rule number 3 was something like "no shows can only be replaced by people in the same league or lower"

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The reasoning behind the 3 week rule was so that teams don't have THIS situation...

i understand that and it's a good sentiment. personally i think it would be easier to let teams decide on their own rotation policies that give everyone who signed up a go, but i didn't participate in either of the BSG seasons so i'll trust your judgement and whatever decision you guys come up with

thanks again for obviously putting a huge ammount of effort and thought into this to make it fun for everybody

**rezyn8** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 4:47 PM

Thank you, MaynMann! Keep up the good work and thanks for listening to us!

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MazEi · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 5:18 PM

Basically, everyone just needs to understand this one point, let every single member you have play. If you can, as equally spread amount of games between them as possible.

Volition · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 6:12 PM

Firstly, the admins are doing well to accomodate everyone, please be respectful when suggesting rules or disagreeing with a rule - there are many people to satisify.

I liked the rule where you had to put your guys out in order of level - we want silvers and bronzes to be in games they have a shot of winning, and not lose because they are against someone two leagues above them. of course, the ace game is excluded from this rule - that was how i understood it, your 4 players needed to be in order, but the ace was obviously excluded. so you could have a plat playing as your fourth but then a gold as your ace. Was that wrong?

Anyway, no matter what the rules are, this will be fantastic. so excited!

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**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 6:33 PM

Yeah... The rules are being revisited, due to the comments within this thread.
If you have any suggestions, please provide constructive feedback, don't simple say, "this rule is bad, get rid of it" - doesn't help at all.

Maynarde had a big week this week, and is taking a break from all this concious at the moment, over the weekend we will finalise the rule set for this tier.

Thanks, gl hf

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deL · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 7:00 PM

Guys placing players in order won't really work cos it's not BSG, it just punishes teams who want to field their weaker players which is really what you don't want to do. Making you have to reshuffle the team week to week is in the spirit of the competition and rewards teams with depth that include silver and bronze players, as they have some lower ranked players to sub out in an important week where they really need a win.

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**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TAdeL

Guys placing players in order won't really work cos it's not BSG, it just punishes teams who want to field their weaker players which is really what you don't want to do. Making you have to reshuffle the team week to week is in the spirit of the competition and rewards teams with depth that include silver and bronze players, as they have some lower ranked players to sub out in an important week where they really need a win.

Thanks deL.
What do you think would be a better solution?
The league order rule is to place players vs others of the same skill. it does not mean you have to play a bronze or a silver every week.. the strongest team that can be represented is 3gold 2 plats. This allows for strong teams and rotation of players. It will be part of this league. Otherwise, we might as well let all plat teams dominate the field, no fun for the low league players, and they just get rofl stomped every week. Sounds great.. -_-

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good work keeping on top of your tier. :)

Volition · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Thanks deL.
What do you think would be a better solution?
The league order rule is to place players vs others of the same skill. it does not mean you have to play a bronze or a silver every week.. the strongest team that can be represented is 3gold 2 plats. This allows for strong teams and rotation of players. It will be part of this league. Otherwise, we might as well let all plat teams dominate the field, no fun for the low league players, and they just get rofl stomped every week. Sounds great.. -_-

I cant give you anymore rep Chad, but you are right on the money. Ask the silvers whether they want to play the worst on the other team or whether it should be random - i think the answer is pretty obvious. Tier 5 will be great, am pretty excited.

Who wants to volunteer to coach Zerocraft?

breadfan · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 7:49 PM

Honestly I think that enforcing some kind of rotation or mix solves it, so I don't know where you're at with that, if you've discarded it altogether or are just thinking it over... my suggestion is (and this might be too convoluted/too much hassle, if so I apologise)

- Leagues assigned numbers, Bronze=1, Silver=2, Gold=3, Plat=4
- All players "check in" before the match (declare their eligibility) - everyone on the team MUST do this if they're online
- Both teams have their league scores averaged from the checked in players, the average of the lowest team determines how many of each rank you can have
- The lower team declares their team first, but they must not have more than 3 players in their lineup who exceed the lowest team's average
- The team with the higher average then declares their team, but they must not have more than 3 players in their lineup who exceed the lowest team's team average

Again you get in that ugly situation where you need to make a concession if a team has no choice but to field their 5 plat players because no one else is on, but the strength of this system is you could then award a handicap rating based on those scores. One suggestion that comes to mind is if a team has to exceed their 3 player over the average limit, they don't get the bonus point from the ace match (although it's not a throwaway game, because they can still prevent the other team from taking their 2 points!)

In practice:

ToR vs Zerocraft (100% of players online)
ToR - 8 gold, 4 silver, 3 bronze, Avg Score: 2.33
ZeroCraft - 1 Plat, 4 gold, 4 Silver, 3 bronze, Avg Score: 2.25

ToR is the favoured team, teams are not allowed to have more than 3 plat or gold players, ZeroCraft picks their lineup first, ToR picks second. Any number of bronze/silver are allowed.

This ensures balance and should facilitate rotation. On the downside, it is a lot more work to administrate, and suffers some of the same drawbacks as before.

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by breadfan

Honestly I think that enforcing some kind of rotation or mix solves it, so I don't know where you're at with that, if you've discarded it altogether or are just thinking it over... my suggestion is (and this might be too convoluted/too much hassle, if so I apologise)

- Leagues assigned numbers, Bronze=1, Silver=2, Gold=3, Plat=4
- All players "check in" before the match (declare their eligibility) - everyone on the team MUST do this if they're online
- Both teams have their league scores averaged from the checked in players, the average of the lowest team determines how many of each rank you can have
- The lower team declares their team first, but they must not have more than 3 players in their lineup who exceed the lowest team's average
- The team with the higher average then declares their team, but they must not have more than 3 players in their lineup who exceed the lowest team's team average

Again you get in that ugly situation where you need to make a concession if a team has no choice but to field their 5 plat players because no one else is on, but the strength of this system is you could then award a handicap rating based on those scores. One suggestion that comes to mind is if a team has to exceed their 3 player over the average limit, they don't get the bonus point from the ace match (although it's not a throwaway game, because they can still prevent the other team from taking their 2 points!)

In practice:

ToR vs Zerocraft (100% of players online)
ToR - 8 gold, 4 silver, 3 bronze, Avg Score: 2.33
ZeroCraft - 1 Plat, 4 gold, 4 Silver, 3 bronze, Avg Score: 2.25

ToR is the favoured team, teams are not allowed to have more than 3 plat or gold players, ZeroCraft picks their lineup first, ToR picks second. Any number of bronze/silver are allowed.

This ensures balance and should facilitate rotation. On the downside, it is a lot more work to administrate, and suffers some of the same drawbacks as before.

We did consider options like this. but it will be quite difficult for us to admin, so this concept was disregarded by Maynarde and I early on... We've also considered assigning points to each league, 1

, 2

, 3

and 4 points for

. With teams able to select any mix of team as long as it does not surpass 17 total points..

At this stage I'm happy with the league order and 2 per week rotation system. Also that no more that 2 plat+ players can play each week (again, these rules can be re-explored if a team is having trouble meeting the criteria and if lots of players get promoted). If a team knows they are going against a team like, TCP (1 silver, the rest gold and a few plats) they know not to send their bronze and silver line up out. they know that they are going to be a hard team to vs.. so it becomes more strategic, play this guy now, or wait to have a stronger line up next week when your against a stronger team. Or, send the strong team against a week team to get a good score from it.. but sacrifice a few points by sending a B team against another teams A team - if you think their A team is too strong for your own A team.. which might be a waste of the A team.. This is the type of strategy we are trying to develop with the rotation rules etc. I think this adds a new dynamic to the matches also..

Maynarde had a busy week, and is taking a bit of a break tonight, but I can assure you - that we will be looking at the rules and the suggestions to develop a new fairer system that will hope to appease everyone.
Until then, Good luck, have fun

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strategic element of choosing a team based on opponent absolutely necessary!

Zealo · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 8:10 PM

the three weaknesses of that i can see:
a) it's really, really complicated
b) from what i understand teams don't get chosen until start time (will cause massive delays) and everyone on the roster is expected to be online?
c) it encourages players to deliberately not get promoted so they have more chance of playing.

breadfan · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zealo

the three weaknesses of that i can see:
a) it's really, really complicated

100% correct, to the point where it could reasonably be a dealbreaker

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Originally Posted by Zealo

b) from what i understand teams don't get chosen until start time (will cause massive delays) and everyone on the roster is expected to be online?

Isn't this already how it's going to happen in this tier? Shouldn't take too long. Admins can put onus on team managers to have it all sorted. If it takes longer, teams can get on earlier. One point though that I think could be good - the higher or 'favoured' team gets to pick based on opponent lineup. So say a successful team comes up against a team fielding mostly bronze and silver, it might be looked at as a chance to give some of the other guys a go. The manager might throw in a higher player for the ace game, another to try to ensure at least a draw, and then let the lower guys have a crack

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Originally Posted by Zealo

c) it encourages players to deliberately not get promoted so they have more chance of playing.

I disagree. Teams are allowed 3 players over the mark. So if you get promoted, you have a much HIGHER chance of being picked in one of those 3 (i.e. the bulk of the team) positions. I would want to be promoted.
There are some situations, like the teams with more than 3 plat players, where going gold to plat probably could work against you, especially for that one important top of the table clash, but on the whole I still think you'd benefit.

One other disadvantage I can think of is if a team has a really crappy turn out one week, and no one over bronze shows up, then the other team, who might do everything right by turning up on time, doesn't get the bonus point for the ace match.

A little extra perspective...
I can only work with the assumption of all players in attendance for this which obviously wont be the case. Still, it's a good indicator.

Every team's score is around the 2.x mark - 1 team (HoH) is currently below a score of 2.0 and 2 teams (QED Krrn & Marinu Dropu) are higher than a score of 3.0.

When Krrn and MDropu play, they can each have a max of 3 plats and any number of golds. So the game will probably look like 2 gold and 3 plat vs 2 gold and 3 plat (obviously this is their most competitive match and assuming that all favourites win all matches, will decide first place)

When MDropu plays HoH, they can only field 3 players silver or above. Since they only have 1 silver player and 0 bronze, they have to break it. Which is fine, but they don't receive a bonus point from the ace game as a result.

Aside from these 3 teams, every other team is pretty close, with most falling between 2.6 and 2.9. I also think it's a reasonable expectation that the higher league players are more likely to show up than lower leagues so I don't expect any of these teams to drop to a score of below 2.0. So the complicated part only really enters in for matches featuring those 3 outlier teams. The rest of the time it's probably as simple as "3 gold maximum"

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:06 PM

yeah, I know there are a few changes to check up on.. I'll go thru the rosters tomorrow..

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 10:57 PM

This Message will be PM'd out to all managers, once I get all your sc2sea.com details...

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Dear Team Leaders,

The time has come to submit your team lineup for week 1.
Please submit your lineup by 18/01/2012 by 8pm ADET.
Remember to include your player's race as well.
If the player does not show up, you can use the "Wildcard" rule which you are entitled to use one sub per week for your division.
If one of your players do not show up and you have no subs left, your team will be walkovered for that particular match.

Remember that all games are best of 3 and the map list would be the starting map.
This can be found: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3272

Please be aware, a rule forcing the lower league players to play first is enforced. If you submit a team not in this order we will rearrange it for you. Please nominated a 1-4 order of your players in their league order and specify a particular player to be your Ace player. This play can be from any league. Once both teams have published their line up, the match ups will be posted in that weeks news thread. If a team does not submit their line up in time they will receive a warning, multiple warnings may incur deduction of league points - extreme cases will see the team removed from the league altogether.

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 13th-Jan-2012, 11:42 PM

I should have added to the PM, that all managers are expected to PM their line up.. DO NOT POST THE LINE UP.

Also, if your team is vsing TA (this week that would be TCP) please do not PM your line up to me.. Maynarde will have to handle all the TA matches - As I'm playing on the TA team.. And do not want anyone to think there is a conflict of interest.

EDIT: ohh man.. I just triple posted.. fml..

Also, if both teams submit their line ups early, then they will know the match ups sooner.. 8pm Wednesday 18th is the deadline... get them in asap... gl hf

Can all team managers please add me on Skype? 'nicolasjrusso'
We will be setting up a group skype chat for all managers and Maynarde and I. To have an easy communication medium between admins and the team managers. Thanks

FSBenAD · Sat, 14th-Jan-2012, 9:29 AM

I definitely like what you guys are trying to do about rotating players, I was just worried about the complication of picking my side each week and having to look into 3 weeks ahead to work out when people were on holidays so no one played 3 weeks in a row. Since my team roster is only smallish.

2 changes per week sounds like the best way forward, with the added note that there is an expectation that rosters should change often and anyone who is not doing so will get a warning, then a penalty?

When can we expect confirmation of the rules for lineup choices?

Obviously depending on which we go with, changes who I would put up to play in week 1.

Thanks again to ChadMann and Maynarde for their hard working and for listening to our feedback.

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Zealo:

**syfChadMann** · Sun, 15th-Jan-2012, 9:19 PM

I Think, Maynarde and I have decided on a final edition to the rules. Which will be posted up shortly..

Also, as the match line ups are sent in to me I'll post them in the weekly thread (http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3272).

If teams abusive this information of knowing their match ups before the deadline and trying to dodge an unfavourable match up.. they will start costing Wildcards.. and may result in line ups not being posted for anyone until 24 hrs before the match.

For the teams that haven't sent in your line ups.. as soon as I have both teams, I will post up the line ups.. so if you want more practice time, get the line ups in early!

This just in... SEA Bet for Tier 5!!!!
(http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=60285&postcount=17)

NovaReapz · Sun, 15th-Jan-2012, 11:53 PM

Good Luck guys

Zealo · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 6:32 AM

we can't decide on a lineup until we know what the finalized rules are...

**Maynarde** · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:12 AM

Ok guys, here's the old rules with the new rules. Chad and I have discussed em some more and think it's pretty fair but it's of course up for discussion. Line ups are needed from every team before WEDNESDAY 9pm AEDT so we have a little time to talk about them before locking anything in. REALLY reluctant to change any rules while a season is active unless there's a glaring issue.

1. Submit your LINE UP (5 players) 24 HOURS before play time.

2. Your starting line up has 1 WILDCARD A WEEK to cover no-shows, 4 SUBS for full line up.

3. Players go out in LEAGUE ORDER.
If there are a bunch that are the same league, then you can bring them out whatever order you wish. I think anyone that has seen a lot of BSG games will agree that there's a pretty huge skill gap between an

and an

. It won't be a close game. ChadMann feels pretty strongly about keeping this rule.

4. You must CHANGE TWO PLAYERS of your playing line-up weekly
In the interest of rotation now that the "3 week rule" doesn't exist, we're upping the number of players to be rotated each week to 2.

5. Teams going out to play must have NO MORE than 2 PLAT (OR HIGHER).
Again, this is in the interest of everyone getting a chance and no team being too OP. This particular rule may be removed in the event of many many promotions. I'll be happy to remove it when most players are Plat or higher because then that means the idea behind the Tier is working

If I'm forgetting any rules I'll edit this post.

Quick Comments

	breadfan:	Perfect!
	FSBenAD:	Thankyou and Chad, think this gets us all where we want to be, without too much complication
	TABag:	#winning! Seems fair and well suited to provide some rather enjoyable match ups!
	Zealo:	awesome :)

**syfChadMann** · Thu, 16th-Feb-2012, 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Ok guys, here's the old rules with the new rules. Chad and I have discussed em some more and think it's pretty fair but it's of course up for discussion. Line ups are needed from every team before WEDNESDAY 9pm AEDT so we have a little time to talk about them before locking anything in. REALLY reluctant to change any rules while a season is active unless there's a glaring issue.

1. Submit your LINE UP (5 players) 24 HOURS before play time.

2. Your starting line up has 1 WILDCARD A WEEK to cover no-shows, 4 SUBS for full line up.

3. Players go out in LEAGUE ORDER.
If there are a bunch that are the same league, then you can bring them out whatever order you wish. I think anyone that has seen a lot of BSG games will agree that there's a pretty huge skill gap between an

and an

. It won't be a close game. ChadMann feels pretty strongly about keeping this rule.

4. You must CHANGE TWO PLAYERS of your playing line-up weekly
In the interest of rotation now that the "3 week rule" doesn't exist, we're upping the number of players to be rotated each week to 2.

5. Teams going out to play must have NO MORE than 2 PLAT (OR HIGHER).
Again, this is in the interest of everyone getting a chance and no team being too OP. This particular rule may be removed in the event of many many promotions. I'll be happy to remove it when most players are Plat or higher because then that means the idea behind the Tier is working

If I'm forgetting any rules I'll edit this post.

Just want to remind everyone of this post?.. okay?.. good... I'll now add it to the OP.

breadfan · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:15 AM

Can I clarify.. Say your team includes 3 golds

Does the order they are going out in have to be locked in the 24 hours earlier? Or do teams choose the order on the night?

Bugalugs McScruffin · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breadfan

Can I clarify.. Say your team includes 3 golds

Does the order they are going out in have to be locked in the 24 hours earlier? Or do teams choose the order on the night?

Order is locked in 24 hours beforehand. You pick the player for the map, as you will know the maps up to possibly a week before.

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Maynarde:

Thanks Bugs, I was too slow.

**Maynarde** · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breadfan

Can I clarify.. Say your team includes 3 golds

Does the order they are going out in have to be locked in the 24 hours earlier? Or do teams choose the order on the night?

Order will be locked down 24 hours before their games, but you can decide their order instead of us deciding it for you as we would if they were different leagues

Volition · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:47 AM

The only question i have is this - what happened to the rule where a wildcard must be the same race? I know there are teams that are really short on 1 race (esp if someone is playing random) but it would sorta be a shame to see a silver terran replaced with a gold protoss each week. Therefore, and this is literally just a suggestion, it go like this:-

The wildcard:-
1) should be the same race (if possible); and
2) cannot be a higher league than the original player, without admin approval. If it is a higher league, the opposing team may re-order their starting line-up into whatever order they want. However, admins call on the benefit the opposing team gets is final, and the admins reserve the right to refuse to grant a higher league wildcard in their discretion (to be exercised if a team is continually using wildcards).

Just a suggestion.

Also, there seemed to be support for the idea of rotating Ace players to ensure there wasnt a plat playing each week (for the whole season potentially with the no 3 week rule) as the ace against all comers.

the rules in their current form are great. No need to change at all unless the admins feel it could be better.

Zerocraft fighting!

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breadfan:

Awesome thoughts re: sub

**syfChadMann** · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volition

The wildcard:-
1) should be the same race (if possible); and
2) cannot be a higher league than the original player, without admin approval. If it is a higher league, the opposing team may re-order their starting line-up into whatever order they want. However, admins call on the benefit the opposing team gets is final, and the admins reserve the right to refuse to grant a higher league wildcard in their discretion (to be exercised if a team is continually using wildcards).

In Answering:
1) while this would potentially be ideal, some times its not possible.. as the other members of your team that were not scheduled to play might not even be online and the one other Terran to swap for, might not be available. Even then, one Terran that despises TvP and dodges a match up, the replacement Terran might favour TvP.. so the new playing is given the benefit regardless.

2) Yes, you are correct, the sub play must be the same or lower league. This is to comply with the league order rule... except for the Ace, in which any player from any league may be subbed in. In the case that only one replacement is available, admins will have to determine the outcome.. based on case by case (team history with no shows etc) to determine the action, which would be between, allowing the higher league replacement, reshuffling the order of players to meet the league order or denying the sub and giving the other team a win on walk over. Of course many factors influence how the admin should make this decision, such as; is the opposing player a higher or lower league, has the team been constantly changing and a hassle to deal with, is the no-show excuse legitimate or did they just not turn up, What match position is it (match 1? match 4?.. this makes a difference) what is the current score of the match?.. and many other factors that the admins will consider in allowing higher league subs.

a few teams have already sent me their line ups, once two teams in a match up submit their line ups - i'll post them in the weekly thread. 9pm AEDT Wednesday is the deadline, failure to submit before time may incur penalties.

GL HF

breadfan · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 9:52 AM

I don't mind teams having the same ace week to week. I think this is the rule that the balance of casual vs serious teeters on a bit.

Teams can still rotate if they want, but I think the teams that really want to get promoted for SEACL#3 should be allowed to anchor their team with the player of their choice (it is the most important game and could be the most important factor on points at the end of the season)

Plenty of teams will have a few options so it's not such a big deal.

Quick Comments

Volition:

Good thoughts! same ace is probably not bad if you consider teams that want to get promoted

Zealo · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 10:42 AM

unthunder just swapped race to protoss if you could update roster please

also he says he got promoted to gold (cause zerg is too weak so swapping race got him promoted

apparently )

Quick Comments

	breadfan:	zerg too weak? or protoss too imba ^^
	Bugalugs McScruffin:	But Zerg is so easy. :( He should have changed to Random. :D

Zanderax · Mon, 16th-Jan-2012, 7:43 PM

Hey guys.
I've named the ToR team "ToRmentors"
Thanks to change it

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	breadfan:	I approve of this name
	Zealo:	nice
	ToRDeathsFang:	i approve of this decision

Goldie · Tue, 17th-Jan-2012, 1:00 PM

I don't quite understand how it works, so each game is best of 3?

**Maynarde** · Tue, 17th-Jan-2012, 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldie

I don't quite understand how it works, so each game is best of 3?

Please make the effort to read the rules thread.

But yes, basically it's 5 players per team, each player plays a best of 3. Each match is worth 1 point, the ace match is worth 2.

Krrn · Tue, 17th-Jan-2012, 4:00 PM

Can Bigwaffles be changed from

to

please. I think fridge made a mistake when he submitted the teams

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 18th-Jan-2012, 12:57 PM

All line ups should be submitted tonight.. at 9pm AEDT.
I think we are only waiting on 1 or 2 line ups though..

Also, check out ThePandarine's write up and predictions on the SEAL Tier 5 tournament.. - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3355 gogo

**syfChadMann** · Wed, 18th-Jan-2012, 9:51 PM

To team all teams... one of the teams in this league has failed to submit their line up on time... That team will be receiving a warning. Any future offences will result in deduction of league points and continued offences will result in their removal from the league.

Other teams take note.. Maynarde and I are very lenient with the rules and dishing out of penalties, but abuse our leniency and we will be forced to penalise teams.

Team HoH - please provide a line up as soon as possible - send it to myself AND the manager of Perth Penguins. If no line up is submitted on time - I will allow Perth Penguins to change and sub their team as much as they want. However, both teams must announce their line up at the start of the match... Maynarde and I will be online to check this match goes ahead as it should - and any lateness from team HoH will result in a full walk over of their matches.

Thanks - good luck to all the other teams (except for TCP

)

ToRDeathsFang · Wed, 18th-Jan-2012, 10:26 PM

I suggest all the teams just forfeit because we all know ToR is going to roflstomp this...

Also, i got promoted to

^_^

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Volition:

Grats on promotion!

TAEdarus · Thu, 19th-Jan-2012, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

I suggest all the teams just forfeit because we all know ToR is going to roflstomp this...

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	asdfSchnitzel:	^^
	deL:
	NovaReapz:	^^
	TABag:

**Maynarde** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:13 AM

Hello Tier 5

We had a few bumps but overall I'd say the first week a pretty good success, congratulations to all the teams that won and good work to every single player

One of the major bumps we had tonight I'd like to rectify by leaving some guidelines for organizing your game, and I would LOVE for there to be no discussion in response about who was right or wrong between the teams or players tonight. The only response (if any) should be "YES MAYNARDE" or something along those lines.

PLAYERS

1. Know your opponent and map BEFORE the play time.
It's your team managers responsibility to organize the time you play, it's YOUR responsibility to know what map you're on and your opponents name. Please register player names as their Battle.net names instead of forum handles to avoid confusion.

2. Contact your opponent
Start by asking in the chat room (SEALTIER5), if there's no response SEARCH in the list to see if your opponent is in the chatroom. If he/she is there, private message. If not, contact their TEAM MANAGER. The managers skypes and names are in the thread.

3. It's past walk over time (10 minutes), my opponent is nowhere to be found and the manager doesn't know where he/she is, what do I do?
Contact either ChadMann or myself, and we will try to organize or reschedule your game first. This is because the point of Tier 5 is to PLAY GAMES and IMPROVE. If that isn't a possibility we will award the walk over.

TEAM MANAGERS

1. Get players to CONFIRM attendance
Keep regular contact with your players, it would suck to have to keep using subs because of non-dedicated individuals. There are always going to be unforeseen circumstances which are understandable, otherwise you shouldn't accept "whoops" from your players for mass no shows.

2. Plan your play time well ahead of schedule
It's a really good idea to contact your opponent team's manager ASAP. You have the fixture and all their details in this thread so it shouldn't be hard. Tell an admin (ChadMann or myself) IMMEDIATELY if you need to organize a new time, and work it out with the other team manager. If there's no word from either team manager, we assume it's the default time of 9pm AEDT Thursday and will rule accordingly for walk overs etc.

3. Keep your cool
We get that you love your team, you're passionate about their success and future. YOU HAVE TO BE! But keep your head when there's issues, especially with admins and other team leaders. Bad manner isn't accepted in this league by players OR team leaders.

Hopefully these few guidelines help out, I'm not the kind of guy that points fingers or names names because it serves no purpose but this is purely meant to help those who may be new to this or haven't quite caught on with the spirit of Tier 5. We're all here to have fun and improve together, so let's have a smooth and awesome season!

Quick Comments

DeNile:

Admiring like a boss

x5_Potter · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:14 AM

Hey Mayn, I love you and all... but 3 comes after 2, not 2

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Zealo:

editor in chief!

**Maynarde** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

Hey Mayn, I love you and all... but 3 comes after 2, not 2

I edited. Sometimes I miss things when formatting big posts

deL · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

Hey Mayn, I love you and all... but 3 comes after 2, not 2

I beg to differ.

x5_Potter · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:19 AM

Yeah it's aight, I'm here to Nazi posts

x5_Potter · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:27 AM

I'd also like to publicly apologise to Fridge and Maynarde, who I was less than nice to when they were just trying to sort everything out in a calm and productive way. I know how I acted was unacceptable and I hope there's no more issues like this in the future

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	syfChadMann:
	QEDFridge:

FSBenAD · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 6:10 AM

Well said Maynarde. And thanks to you and ChadMann for all your efforts.

I would like to thank Rezyn and the gang at Fade, for their excellent communication, manner and promptness in our games. I knew one of their members was going to be a few minutes late a few days in advance, which helped a lot in knowing what was going to happen.

And also they were very patient with me, letting me make sure my teammates all got into their games and were good to go before starting our casted game.

Also thanks to my teammates, for all showing up early and giving it their best shot. I was a very proud captain last night.

TAEaeron · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maynarde

The only response (if any) should be "YES MAYNARDE" or something along those lines.

YES MAYNARDE

I do agree wit the post above, the 1st week of a new season is always hectic, but last night was a pretty good start. Looking forward to the rest of the season, lets all make sure we are on 15-30 mins before our start times so we all get to play our games/enjoy ourselves and get out of the "B/S/G" leagues and become PRO!

**rezyn8** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 8:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenAD

I would like to thank Rezyn and the gang at Fade, for their excellent communication, manner and promptness in our games. I knew one of their members was going to be a few minutes late a few days in advance, which helped a lot in knowing what was going to happen.

And also they were very patient with me, letting me make sure my teammates all got into their games and were good to go before starting our casted game.

Thank you too Ben and Fusion Slugs, despite a minor hitch everything got off to a great start and some great games were had by all. Looking forward to doing casts of the replays.

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FSBenAD:

:)

**rezyn8** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:08 AM

MaynMann - congrats on a great start to the league!

Just one thing on the league table, to sort out drawn placings are you keeping tabs of the individual wins/losses as was done in BSGCL which determined placing in the finals?

TAEdarus · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

MaynMann - congrats on a great start to the league!

Just one thing on the league table, to sort out drawn placings are you keeping tabs of the individual wins/losses as was done in BSGCL which determined placing in the finals?

Thats being done with the points I believe... However after only one week any drawn team has the same points as another anyways so theres no way to differentiate.

DeNile · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:15 AM

I would like to take responsibility for all issues. I mussunderstood the process as I we expecting thing to be run through team leaders not indiviauls to avoid confusion. That was a mistake by me and I will ensure it never happens again.

Sorry for ruining what would have been a perfect start to the seacl tier 5 an is truly bm of me to cause such stress to the admins stress I know about due being assiting admin to the premier league.

**rezyn8** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

Thats being done with the points I believe... However after only one week any drawn team has the same points as another anyways so theres no way to differentiate.

Actually there is a way to differ because the overall match record was 6-5 to FaDe over Fusion Slugs which would put FaDe in front. The draw in the league doesn't necessarily mean that the match record was a draw.

breadfan · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezyn8

Actually there is a way to differ because the overall match record was 6-5 to FaDe over Fusion Slugs which would put FaDe in front. The draw in the league doesn't necessarily mean that the match record was a draw.

6-5 isn't possible?

There's 6 points available, so possible scores are 3-3, 4-2, 5-1, 6-0 (and of course the reverses)

I guess what you're trying to say is that a team is in front on for and against (i.e. giving credit to people who win a series 2-0 vs 2-1), which is meaningless until later in the competition anyway, because not every team is exactly the same.

TAEdarus · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QEDDeNile

Sorry for ruining what would have been a perfect start to the seacl tier 5 an is truly bm of me to cause such stress to the admins stress I know about due being assiting admin to the premier league.

MAAAAAAATTTEEE!

Not your fault at all lol, every team had noshows and issues.

Lets just make sure future weeks go smooth and as always in TA's favor =P

**rezyn8** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 9:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breadfan

I guess what you're trying to say is that a team is in front on for and against (i.e. giving credit to people who win a series 2-0 vs 2-1), which is meaningless until later in the competition anyway, because not every team is exactly the same.

The 6-5 scoreline is due to the individual match scores - yes the league result is 3-3, but for finals placings the match score lines need to be taken into consideration so that we do not have issues at the end of the season. You can't say that is meaningless when it could mean the difference between making the finals and not.

**syfChadMann** · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 12:54 PM

We will only be looking at individual Match results.. so the match is 3-3 draw with both teams taking 1 point.

At the end of the season, if there are tied positions between teams then we will look at the tied teams individual match up history, say, QED's two teams are tied - but Mixed Lollies won their individual match up, then they place higher. I doubt that draws will go down to individual matches being the difference at the end of the season tho, so the current method should suffice.

A great week this week, bar a few minor bumps along the way, but basically I just want to reiterate, Maynarde's post. Walk overs are not our goal... if at the last minute something comes up for you, tell your team manager and get them to talk to the other team manager to delay or reschedule your individual match. If you say nothing and don't show up, Maynarde and I will be forced to award a walk over for your match...

As for walk overs, no Player can call for a walk over, if a player can not find their opponent, they are to talk to an admin and their team manager, I will only accept walk over requests when both player and team manager have made an attempt to contact the other team. Maynarde and I have alot to do during the matches, especially me - I'll be playing a bit too.. So please bare with us, and try and make it as easy for us as possible by doing some work to communicate with each other for us.

I'll try and get the weekly post up Today, but I'll be at ACL - as well as Maynarde, we might check things on here if you have problems, but take the initiative to check the bracket and start sorting out your team for next thursday's game.

Quick Comments

rezyn8:

Thanks for clarifying the draw!

ToRDeathsFang · Fri, 20th-Jan-2012, 11:19 PM

Hi, i got promoted to

now so if that could be updated on the

Time of Rising roster that would be awesome. Thanks

asdfSchnitzel · Sat, 21st-Jan-2012, 6:30 AM

Hi MaynMan, would you be able to change my race to just

? I am in the

Krrn and Co roster. Thanks

Yin · Sat, 21st-Jan-2012, 8:46 AM

Hey Maynarde,

Could you please change my race to Protoss as well, I'm in QED Mixes Lollies.

Thanks
Yin

ToRMaverick · Sat, 21st-Jan-2012, 9:23 AM

on the promotion train atm

I have been promoted to

. Can you please also update the ToR roster.

EDIT: Still need the update guys.

**syfChadMann** · Sat, 21st-Jan-2012, 11:06 PM

Hey guys.. at ACL for the weekend.. as is Maynarde.. so just a quick post for the maps so you guys can get practising...

Game 1: MLG Shattered Temple
Game 2: GSL Daybreak
Game 3: GSL Xel'Naga Fortress
Game 4: GSL Bel'shir Beach Winter
Ace game: GSL Calm Before The Storm

I'll do a full weekly write up when I get back Monday night..

gl hf

Quick Comments

asdfSchnitzel:

YESH! DAYBREAK BEST MAP EVER! :D

x5_Potter · Mon, 23rd-Jan-2012, 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Hey guys.. at ACL for the weekend.. as is Maynarde.. so just a quick post for the maps so you guys can get practising...

Game 1: MLG Shattered Temple
Game 2: GSL Daybreak
Game 3: GSL Xel'Naga Fortress
Game 4: GSL Bel'shir Beach Winter
Ace game: GSL Calm Before The Storm

I'll do a full weekly write up when I get back Monday night..

gl hf

Few posts up Zealo