[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by breadfan

Can I clarify.. Say your team includes 3 golds

Does the order they are going out in have to be locked in the 24 hours earlier? Or do teams choose the order on the night?

Order is locked in 24 hours beforehand. You pick the player for the map, as you will know the maps up to possibly a week before.

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Maynarde:

Thanks Bugs, I was too slow.

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by breadfan

Can I clarify.. Say your team includes 3 golds

Does the order they are going out in have to be locked in the 24 hours earlier? Or do teams choose the order on the night?

Order will be locked down 24 hours before their games, but you can decide their order instead of us deciding it for you as we would if they were different leagues

[Volition]

The only question i have is this - what happened to the rule where a wildcard must be the same race? I know there are teams that are really short on 1 race (esp if someone is playing random) but it would sorta be a shame to see a silver terran replaced with a gold protoss each week. Therefore, and this is literally just a suggestion, it go like this:-

The wildcard:-
1) should be the same race (if possible); and
2) cannot be a higher league than the original player, without admin approval. If it is a higher league, the opposing team may re-order their starting line-up into whatever order they want. However, admins call on the benefit the opposing team gets is final, and the admins reserve the right to refuse to grant a higher league wildcard in their discretion (to be exercised if a team is continually using wildcards).

Just a suggestion.

Also, there seemed to be support for the idea of rotating Ace players to ensure there wasnt a plat playing each week (for the whole season potentially with the no 3 week rule) as the ace against all comers.

the rules in their current form are great. No need to change at all unless the admins feel it could be better.

Zerocraft fighting!

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breadfan:

Awesome thoughts re: sub

[breadfan]

I don't mind teams having the same ace week to week. I think this is the rule that the balance of casual vs serious teeters on a bit.

Teams can still rotate if they want, but I think the teams that really want to get promoted for SEACL#3 should be allowed to anchor their team with the player of their choice (it is the most important game and could be the most important factor on points at the end of the season)

Plenty of teams will have a few options so it's not such a big deal.

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Volition:

Good thoughts! same ace is probably not bad if you consider teams that want to get promoted

[Zealo]

unthunder just swapped race to protoss if you could update roster please

also he says he got promoted to gold (cause zerg is too weak so swapping race got him promoted apparently )

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	breadfan:	zerg too weak? or protoss too imba ^^
	Bugalugs McScruffin:	But Zerg is so easy. :( He should have changed to Random. :D

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Volition

The wildcard:-
1) should be the same race (if possible); and
2) cannot be a higher league than the original player, without admin approval. If it is a higher league, the opposing team may re-order their starting line-up into whatever order they want. However, admins call on the benefit the opposing team gets is final, and the admins reserve the right to refuse to grant a higher league wildcard in their discretion (to be exercised if a team is continually using wildcards).

In Answering:
1) while this would potentially be ideal, some times its not possible.. as the other members of your team that were not scheduled to play might not even be online and the one other Terran to swap for, might not be available. Even then, one Terran that despises TvP and dodges a match up, the replacement Terran might favour TvP.. so the new playing is given the benefit regardless.

2) Yes, you are correct, the sub play must be the same or lower league. This is to comply with the league order rule... except for the Ace, in which any player from any league may be subbed in. In the case that only one replacement is available, admins will have to determine the outcome.. based on case by case (team history with no shows etc) to determine the action, which would be between, allowing the higher league replacement, reshuffling the order of players to meet the league order or denying the sub and giving the other team a win on walk over. Of course many factors influence how the admin should make this decision, such as; is the opposing player a higher or lower league, has the team been constantly changing and a hassle to deal with, is the no-show excuse legitimate or did they just not turn up, What match position is it (match 1? match 4?.. this makes a difference) what is the current score of the match?.. and many other factors that the admins will consider in allowing higher league subs.

a few teams have already sent me their line ups, once two teams in a match up submit their line ups - i'll post them in the weekly thread. 9pm AEDT Wednesday is the deadline, failure to submit before time may incur penalties.

GL HF

[Zanderax]

Hey guys.
I've named the ToR team "ToRmentors"
Thanks to change it

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	breadfan:	I approve of this name
	Zealo:	nice
	ToRDeathsFang:	i approve of this decision

[Goldie]

I don't quite understand how it works, so each game is best of 3?

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Goldie

I don't quite understand how it works, so each game is best of 3?

Please make the effort to read the rules thread.

But yes, basically it's 5 players per team, each player plays a best of 3. Each match is worth 1 point, the ace match is worth 2.

[Krrn]

Can Bigwaffles be changed from to please. I think fridge made a mistake when he submitted the teams

[syfChadMann]

All line ups should be submitted tonight.. at 9pm AEDT.
I think we are only waiting on 1 or 2 line ups though..

Also, check out ThePandarine's write up and predictions on the SEAL Tier 5 tournament.. - http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=3355 gogo

[syfChadMann]

To team all teams... one of the teams in this league has failed to submit their line up on time... That team will be receiving a warning. Any future offences will result in deduction of league points and continued offences will result in their removal from the league.

Other teams take note.. Maynarde and I are very lenient with the rules and dishing out of penalties, but abuse our leniency and we will be forced to penalise teams.

Team HoH - please provide a line up as soon as possible - send it to myself AND the manager of Perth Penguins. If no line up is submitted on time - I will allow Perth Penguins to change and sub their team as much as they want. However, both teams must announce their line up at the start of the match... Maynarde and I will be online to check this match goes ahead as it should - and any lateness from team HoH will result in a full walk over of their matches.

Thanks - good luck to all the other teams (except for TCP )

[ToRDeathsFang]

I suggest all the teams just forfeit because we all know ToR is going to roflstomp this...

Also, i got promoted to ^_^

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Volition:

Grats on promotion!

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

I suggest all the teams just forfeit because we all know ToR is going to roflstomp this...

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	asdfSchnitzel:	^^
	deL:
	NovaReapz:	^^
	TABag:

[Maynarde]

Hello Tier 5

We had a few bumps but overall I'd say the first week a pretty good success, congratulations to all the teams that won and good work to every single player

One of the major bumps we had tonight I'd like to rectify by leaving some guidelines for organizing your game, and I would LOVE for there to be no discussion in response about who was right or wrong between the teams or players tonight. The only response (if any) should be "YES MAYNARDE" or something along those lines.

PLAYERS

1. Know your opponent and map BEFORE the play time.
It's your team managers responsibility to organize the time you play, it's YOUR responsibility to know what map you're on and your opponents name. Please register player names as their Battle.net names instead of forum handles to avoid confusion.

2. Contact your opponent
Start by asking in the chat room (SEALTIER5), if there's no response SEARCH in the list to see if your opponent is in the chatroom. If he/she is there, private message. If not, contact their TEAM MANAGER. The managers skypes and names are in the thread.

3. It's past walk over time (10 minutes), my opponent is nowhere to be found and the manager doesn't know where he/she is, what do I do?
Contact either ChadMann or myself, and we will try to organize or reschedule your game first. This is because the point of Tier 5 is to PLAY GAMES and IMPROVE. If that isn't a possibility we will award the walk over.

TEAM MANAGERS

1. Get players to CONFIRM attendance
Keep regular contact with your players, it would suck to have to keep using subs because of non-dedicated individuals. There are always going to be unforeseen circumstances which are understandable, otherwise you shouldn't accept "whoops" from your players for mass no shows.

2. Plan your play time well ahead of schedule
It's a really good idea to contact your opponent team's manager ASAP. You have the fixture and all their details in this thread so it shouldn't be hard. Tell an admin (ChadMann or myself) IMMEDIATELY if you need to organize a new time, and work it out with the other team manager. If there's no word from either team manager, we assume it's the default time of 9pm AEDT Thursday and will rule accordingly for walk overs etc.

3. Keep your cool
We get that you love your team, you're passionate about their success and future. YOU HAVE TO BE! But keep your head when there's issues, especially with admins and other team leaders. Bad manner isn't accepted in this league by players OR team leaders.

Hopefully these few guidelines help out, I'm not the kind of guy that points fingers or names names because it serves no purpose but this is purely meant to help those who may be new to this or haven't quite caught on with the spirit of Tier 5. We're all here to have fun and improve together, so let's have a smooth and awesome season!

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DeNile:

Admiring like a boss

[x5_Potter]

Hey Mayn, I love you and all... but 3 comes after 2, not 2

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Zealo:

editor in chief!

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

Hey Mayn, I love you and all... but 3 comes after 2, not 2

I edited. Sometimes I miss things when formatting big posts

[x5_Potter]

Yeah it's aight, I'm here to Nazi posts

[x5_Potter]

I'd also like to publicly apologise to Fridge and Maynarde, who I was less than nice to when they were just trying to sort everything out in a calm and productive way. I know how I acted was unacceptable and I hope there's no more issues like this in the future

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	syfChadMann:
	QEDFridge:

[FSBenAD]

Well said Maynarde. And thanks to you and ChadMann for all your efforts.

I would like to thank Rezyn and the gang at Fade, for their excellent communication, manner and promptness in our games. I knew one of their members was going to be a few minutes late a few days in advance, which helped a lot in knowing what was going to happen.

And also they were very patient with me, letting me make sure my teammates all got into their games and were good to go before starting our casted game.

Also thanks to my teammates, for all showing up early and giving it their best shot. I was a very proud captain last night.