[TAEaeron]

Seeing a lot of promotions, which is great (myself included).

I feel that this league is moving away from the league format and into the league domain (sorry )

If this continues to happen, whilst we can produce games with / in them, is there a review of the restrictions that are in place (ie. Must change 2 players p/w, Only play 2 p/w) not saying they need to change, but just getting the feeling that teams will be starting to feel the squeeze and be easily to snipe with only playing 2 /changing 2 players per week.

Mainly for teams like Perth Penguins/TA/Both QED teams from what I can see in the above posts not sure about the others.

Unless there are a lot of promotions in the coming weeks for FaDe/VB I don't think they will have to much to worry about regarding these rules.

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Volition:

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by TAEaeron

Seeing a lot of promotions, which is great (myself included).

I feel that this league is moving away from the league format and into the league domain (sorry )

If this continues to happen, whilst we can produce games with / in them, is there a review of the restrictions that are in place (ie. Must change 2 players p/w, Only play 2 p/w) not saying they need to change, but just getting the feeling that teams will be starting to feel the squeeze and be easily to snipe with only playing 2 /changing 2 players per week.

Mainly for teams like Perth Penguins/TA/Both QED teams from what I can see in the above posts not sure about the others.

Unless there are a lot of promotions in the coming weeks for FaDe/VB I don't think they will have to much to worry about regarding these rules.

I'm definitely on board with this concern.

Personally, I think the solution is to leave it as is, and allow player movement between teams within their own clan.

Maybe something can be done for teams who dont have a team in every div necessary for this?

[x5_Potter]

The 2 plats rule could be amended to 1 plat 1 diamond or 2 plats a week, or the diamonds could get promoted to the Tier 4 squad if teams have them.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

The 2 plats rule could be amended to 1 plat 1 diamond or 2 plats a week, or the diamonds could get promoted to the Tier 4 squad if teams have them.

This is one of the options - and is why it is important that all teams post their full roster by Monday, we will need to make a decision on this before Tuesday so line ups can be made for Thursday matches.

Currently options range from, no change to the current rule... to permitting 3 plats per week OR 1 plat and 1 Diamond.

Thoughts?

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	x5_Potter:	3 plats for me is a no in a largely BSG league, but glad the admins are trying to sort through it :)
	breadfan:	leave as is but allow movement between leagues.

[Volition]

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

1. TABreylin
2. TAMarineFifty
3. TAChoros
4. TAminimat
5. TAXanT
6. TAEdarus
7. TAChadMann
8. TARidiculisk
9. TAEaeron
10. TARogue
11. TAMahonahinda
12. TABottles
13. TABag
14. Arnoo
15. Kahlikah

Firstly, Congrats to all the guys in this team that have earned a promotion!! the two diamonds especially, you guys were in plat i think at the start of the season, and are now up in the top 20% of players! that is such a great achievement.

However, it raises the question whether those in the top 20% of players should be in. I for one am pretty happy with them playing, as they have started in our competition and are part of tier 5!

Other suggestions in the thread are attempting to place restrictions on the upper end of the spectrum, to limit to 1 diamond 1 plat, or 3 plats etc. From there, we start restricting more and more, and it gets more complicated.

I think there is a simpler solution (and it is just a suggestion) - we return to our BSG roots - and have that two players each week must be silver or below. cause all the teams, especially those that arent graced with the plats (Fusion Slugs, VB, HoH, etc etc) - these teams deserve to play some close games each week. imagine if they had to play against a silver, 2 golds and 2 plats - it really isnt a BSG competition. At current we have the following rules:-

1) must swap 2 players each week
2) must not have more than 2 players above gold each week

Suggested Amendment
I propose we add the following rule:-

3) must have at least 2 silver/bronze players in your team each week.

Most of the teams in the league actually comply with this rule each week - but it sorta prevents the supposed BSG from turning into a silver/gold/plat or even a GPD tournament where the bronzes and silvers will never have a go.

Consequences of Amendment
To be honest i have been thinking about this for a while - i know that we in zerocraft were going to attempt to field a full gold plat team for our game against Mixed Lollies. I think that a lot of the gold plat heavy teams (and Zerocraft is definitely in this category) will have to get some youngins to comply, which i think is good thing. Imagine if we see in the BSG threads on sc2sea (which i think are the least active forums) something like "Zerocraft recruiting silver/bronzes to finish SEACL!" other crews are in guilds etc, but still i think it can work

Once again, just a suggestion. no matter what happens tier 5 will continue to be awesome (and i will continue to write). Whatever the Admins decide will be great.

Once again grats to everyone that got a promotion!!!! i know for 1 it has completely messed with our next few week strategy with players lol

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Volition

3) must have at least 2 silver/bronze players in your team each week.

FaDe Roster - from the OP - is 1 plat, 1 Silver .. the rest Gold, they would not be able to field a team with 2 / players each week.

Also, we don't want to force clans to take on or seek new players just to meet external rules from this tournament - Clans are left to run themselves the way they see fit - it is not up to us to force them to add to their roster to meet rules.

Maynarde and I will be talking about the matter soon - keep the suggestions coming, we will consider them all in trying to work out the best solution.
IF YOUR TEAMS UPDATED ROSTER IS NOT POSTED HERE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TAKE THEIR NEW LEAGUES INTO ACCOUNT WITH OUR DECISION!..

[QEDjuslai]

why does mixed lollies have 10 points???

[Volition]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Also, we don't want to force clans to take on or seek new players just to meet external rules from this tournament - Clans are left to run themselves the way they see fit - it is not up to us to force them to add to their roster to meet rules.

Good point! (i cant rep you anymore) While it wasn't my intention to force teams to add to their roster, as fade is literally a BSG team, the G being emphasised. It is a tough one, and whatever happens it will be fine.

[breadfan]

What if a restriction were put on the ace match? I mean, if we are to keep diamonds in this league, they are probably going to win every game (I feel the skill gaps grow bigger, so the plat -> dia gap is bigger than gold -> plat) so letting a team play their diamonds in the ace is letting them have free points.

So IMO diamonds should be relegated to play match 4 if they are staying in the league.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by breadfan

I mean, if we are to keep diamonds in this league, they are probably going to win every game (I feel the skill gaps grow bigger, so the plat -> dia gap is bigger than gold -> plat)

you are basing this 'feeling' on what? :S

all the diamonds you're talking about were in plat 2 weeks ago, a promotion does not give an instant skill jump. if any of these players were 'unbeatable' in this league, they would have been unbeatable as plats 2 weeks ago. i haven't been keeping track of TA's or QED's players, the only penguins player to be promoted to diamond this season is at 1-1 so far in his SEACL matches. hardly breaking the league.

i would like to commend HoH, who entered this this league with by far the weakest line up (on paper), and haven't complained once that i've noticed. they simply show up every week and try their best.

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	TAEdarus:
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	This +rep also goes out to the fine soldiers of HoH. Excellent players with excellent attitudes!
	FSBenAD:	Definitely HoH are awesome :D

[DeNile]

No memeber of QeD got to diamond on both teams and at the money posting via iPhone so I will chase fridge for updates on our lineup on a nice form like the others. But this is the results.

QEDDeNile ------->
QEDJuslai --------->
QEDCold --------->
QED Reaper ------->

I know I need the charcter codes and what not but it's a quick update from my iPhone while I message fridge so chad can make hiss excision as te rest of the lineup is still the same leage

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syfChadMann:

Auto Correct ftw... >.<

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Zealo

if any of these players were 'unbeatable' in this league, they would have been unbeatable as plats 2 weeks ago

They may well have been. They may also have put in a sudden spurt of practice that has been particularly helpful. You're absolutely right, it's a continuum. There's just a convenient cutoff point at the league they are in. Also, this continuum you describe continues to high GM

The 'feeling' is based on my own experiences playing diamond players. I regularly play plats and I even managed to beat plats while in silver (I beat 2 plats to get promoted to gold). Now, there's no telling what their MMR was, but I've found that playing players league above is generally very winnable when you are approaching promotion, and 2 leagues above until now has been doable, but obviously more challenging. I feel I'm on the verge of promotion to platinum, but every diamond I have come across has unlocked the secret of multitasking to the point where I am probably safest to turtle. My own experiences are a sample too small to be applied to everyone, but hey - I'm making suggestions to keep the league going smoothly. Also, as I mentioned, this is only a consideration that I think should be made if diamonds stay in the league - personally I'm in favour of moving them up (or trading them with plats). That's why I said "I feel" rather than "it is a fact". I don't think we should exclude anyone just because their clan doesn't happen to have a Tier 4 or even Tier 3 team, though, so for this situation in the interests of not booting someone out for being too good, I think a slight rule adjustment like no diamonds in the ace match would be great.

[FSBenAD]

Fusion Slugs Roster

1. BenAD
2. Bonik
3. Nevar
4. Dele
5. Neilogd
6. BlackKnight7891 (* Yet to play placement)
7. SamLee
8. zomgrofl
9. Jhedjuka
10. SonsOfTundra

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Volition:

<3 the fusion slugs!!! grats on plat by the way

[FSBenAD]

Personally, I wouldnt like an increase to the number of plats or higher that can play as most of my team is silver or lower

My guys all are putting in a lot of effort, but if they have to face platinum or diamonds, they are probably not going to have much fun

[FSBenAD]

Ty Volition, I am a little in shock to be honest!

I guess focusing on my 1v1s for this tournament is helping a lot

[rezyn8]

Its great seeing so many promotions - its what we ultimately want - a stronger SEA skill level.

With regards to rule changes, personally, I would like them to stay as they are.

For those players who have performed well on ladder and earned their Diamond stripes, they should be encouraged to play with a higher tier team.

An alternative is to only allow Diamond v Diamond match-ups as I believe the gap between Gold > Plat > Diamond is just too much and it will severely handicap those teams that do not have a top heavy line-up.

From my reckoning this league was to encourage low level players to play, get experience and help them rank up. This is happening but if we allow higher skill levels to dominate, these low level players will miss out on their opportunity to play.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by QEDjuslai

why does mixed lollies have 10 points???

3 wins + 1 draw = 10 points.

Their round 5 match hasn't finished - they had to reschedule two matches I believe.

RE the Plat/diamond situation.. Maynarde and I will try finalise something for that today and we will get back to you!

[TAEdarus]

I think the main issue BSG leagues like this will run into, is the length of time the league runs.

If people are putting effort into improving, 11 weeks is a long time to stay in B/S/G.

Perhaps playing two rounds a week rather than one might help alleviate future copies of this very issue?

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by TAEdarus

I think the main issue BSG leagues like this will run into, is the length of time the league runs.

If people are putting effort into improving, 11 weeks is a long time to stay in B/S/G.

Perhaps playing two rounds a week rather than one might help alleviate future copies of this very issue?

Not a bad idea, but my main concern would be that the league then wouldn't line up with other tiers, and the offseason would be much longer.

Perhaps even some kind of mid season shuffle could be actually booked in (which would be after week 6, which is coincidentally where we are up to) like a trade week. No player movements allowed between tiers for the first 6 weeks of the season, and teams play exactly as they are regardless of promotions (maybe an exception clause for the rare occasion that someone gets into ). Then teams are allowed to shuffle for 1 week between week 6 and week 7, and after that, no more movements permitted for the rest of the season.

This effectively splits the season like Edarus suggests, but means we stay in line with other tiers.

[Volition]

Completely agree with Edarus, an 11 week competition is rly long for BSG - and this type of thing was something we should have thought about at the beginning. A reshuffle would be good but seems complicated, like forcing teams to trade? that sorta isnt in the spirit of tier 5

I really think that no matter what happens for this season, it will all be resolved by next season. Pretty much all plats and above should be heading to a tier 4 team, to make way for new BSG people to play in tier 5. And that seems the way it should be to my mind.

Thinking on it now, to say that we need rule changes is probably over the top, as tier 5 was never really that serious in the first place, as noted by the (blessedly) relaxed rules set by Maynarde and Chadmann. It is just a chance for people to get some competitive games each week, to feel that adrenalin and nerves before the game, and to compete against someone hopefully of their own skill lvl. And some people are really taking the opportunity - look at BenAD improving already out of sight, just seeing all the promotions means this league is a success - we are all improving, if not all at the same rate.

Looking at earlier posts, i must admit i looked at the TA team after promotions and said "holy hell, that is really strong, how can anyone compete with that?". but thinking on it now, those diamonds and the plats that got promoted are completely beatable, or at worst, as beatable as they were before getting the promotion. and if they have been training extremely hard to get to diamond, well then maybe they should get some advantage. the current rule of 2+ plats a week means that it is possible for any team to tie with a stronger team, provided they can win the first three games.

With all the really strong golds running around (and the stronger golds being promoted to plat), it means that most teams are still in the hunt against most others. There are a few that are very silver heavy, and for them it may not be as fun as they thought when entering a BSG competition. But their time is coming in the next SEACL, when they are all gold/plat and battle hardened from this season.

so despite my earlier post and having thought on it a little more, i dont really think a rule change is needed at all.

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