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Unread Fri, 28th-Dec-2012, 9:02 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Cute.200  Race: Clan: wT  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts Made: 823 # 1
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Power Ranks 2012 Discussion

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We know this can be subjective so for now its based on the aggregated ranking of the top 5 Code S players.
We're working on setting up an objective scoring system for next year based solely on results.


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Unread Fri, 28th-Dec-2012, 11:54 PM BnetId: Spook.389  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,570 # 2
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i have probs missed it but how do you work out the power ranks?
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Fairly accurate for the most part but you've left out some really strong players such as Poker who I would rate above a few of the players in that top 10. Good work though, very nice layout, obvious that you've put a lot of work into it.

Also pet needs to be higher

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Given it's a year-in power ranking, that affected decisions of pet
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Fairly accurate for the most part but you've left out some really strong players such as Poker who I would rate above a few of the players in that top 10. Good work though, very nice layout, obvious that you've put a lot of work into it.

Also pet needs to be higher
Agreed with pokerface, guy is really strong zvt and zvp. He hasn't had as many good tournament placings as these guys so I don't think he deserves to be in the top 10 yet though.
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Guys who think players deserve to be placed higher must realise that this power rank is an objective view of the overall results/skill of the entire year 2012, not "Skill level right now". Guys like Pet would be way higher if he didn't bust out of no where towards the last quarter of 2012. Likewise someone like Pokerface's skill level is extremely high, but doesn't have the great results in important tournaments to show for it.

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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 5:04 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: iMMaFia.376  Race: Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 539 # 6
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what Mafia said :s
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If I wrote this I would agree with every placing except perhaps Rossi, having not seen enough of him. Jazbas might've been on and off but simply by results he came through where it mattered. I think had pokerface not had to disappear for school he'd be here but he did so . He did have a strong mid 2012 and is coming back up again now but I think him, alongside a few other players barely missed out. Also I think only people you could make an argument for pet being above is like... Light? And that's only for the end of the year, I don't know if there's an up and comer thing but he should get it.

But yeah power ranking are actually almost identical how I would do it, given input from other pros. Also pig came 2nd at acl Gold Coast, Mafia finished 5th/6th. (If I remember correctly). Says pig finished 5th in his write up.

EDIT: OOPS WHEN I SAID 2nd I MEANT THIRD!

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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 7:41 AM Race: Clan: AUX  Total Posts Made: 158 # 8
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The ranking is fair, can't wait too see next year
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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 7:58 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: aLtnirvAnA.951  BattleTag: nirvAnA#1429  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 4,857 # 9
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Power Ranking was done by asking the 5 Code S players (glade,pig,mafia,tgun,light) for their top 10 list. Results were then aggregated by Kez who wrote the text for it. I think they are very accurate, closest spot was of course the #2 spot it could have gone to either pig or you. Kez probably based it on tournament results where PiG has a top 3 finish in every ACL this year? You should ask him about it.

Great job guys! Cute you are amazing!

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code s what?
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Fantastic work Cute! The power ranks look spot on to me (though pig also got third at acl good coast :P). Loved the format and especially loved Tgun's description!

Also looking forward to seeing Part Two of the magazine

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Power Ranking was done by asking the 5 Code S players (glade,pig,mafia,tgun,light) for their top 10 list. Results were then aggregated by Kez who wrote the text for it. I think they are very accurate, closest spot was of course the #2 spot it could have gone to either pig or you. Kez probably based it on tournament results where PiG has a top 3 finish in every ACL this year? You should ask him about it.
unless glade and pig both picked top 3 in this order 1. mg 2. pig 3. mafia then it would still be a tie so how u guys worked out that pig deserved 2nd is super biased

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pig put himself 1st
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Ofcourse PiG did ;) imo T5 accurate but i would place Mafia 2 PiG 3.
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I edited my previous post you quoted for more clarity
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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 10:53 AM BnetId: breadfan.875  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,073 # 12
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I'm really looking forward to next year's power ranking results!

I think that generally, this is a pretty good top 10. And what it means is that next year, tournaments can be weighed by power (number and rank of power ranked players attending) and it will really become a solid ranking system.
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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 12:02 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TheGentleman.565  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 533 # 13
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Ok so I'm goon to nip this one in the bud. The discussion on power ranks should be MOVED TO ANOTHER THREAD in the interest of keeping this one clean. I will start a new thread now for it seem as people wish to discuss it. Remember to keep the discussions in that thread civil.

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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 12:03 PM BnetId: iMSundeR.451  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 225 # 14
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A discussion about power ranks in a thread named Power Ranks should be moved to another thread?

On a discussion forum, sometimes it's best to just have people talk things out uninterrupted, and moderate anything that isn't civil and might be offensive.

UHF you've gone to a lot of effort, good work.
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Unread Sat, 29th-Dec-2012, 12:06 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TheGentleman.565  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 533 # 15
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This I see is more as an announcement thread and is on front page news so it would be good to keep it clean. But people have gotten passionate about this topic in chat already so I see this move as necessary to keep this thread clean.

I'll have a chat to nirvana later and if he disagrees with my move I'll revert it.
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the one thing i have about that UHF list is how much points was eachworth cos if someone else chose how many points per events if could finish in a different order. As it is i don't see why people are making a big deal about it, its simply peoples points of view for example my top ten wuld be glade,pig=mafia, tgun,light,ninja,rossi,jaz,what zergs am i missing doesn't matter, my point is pig and mafia have both played very well this year and both done some cool things im sure everyone has there own opionion on who they think is better the fact is it doesn't matter, its whoevers better on the next day they play, a cricket saying i like is" you're only as good as your last innings"

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"you're only as good as your last innings" damn straight!
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the one thing i have about that UHF list is how much points was eachworth cos if someone else chose how many points per events if could finish in a different order. As it is i don't see why people are making a big deal about it, its simply peoples points of view for example my top ten wuld be glade,pig=mafia, tgun,light,ninja,rossi,jaz,what zergs am i missing doesn't matter, my point is pig and mafia have both played very well this year and both done some cool things im sure everyone has there own opionion on who they think is better the fact is it doesn't matter, its whoevers better on the next day they play, a cricket saying i like is" you're only as good as your last innings"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman

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the one thing i have about that UHF list is how much points was eachworth cos if someone else chose how many points per events if could finish in a different order. As it is i don't see why people are making a big deal about it, its simply peoples points of view for example my top ten wuld be glade,pig=mafia, tgun,light,ninja,rossi,jaz,what zergs am i missing doesn't matter, my point is pig and mafia have both played very well this year and both done some cool things im sure everyone has there own opionion on who they think is better the fact is it doesn't matter, its whoevers better on the next day they play, a cricket saying i like is" you're only as good as your last innings"

ty dot
I just want to point out that whenever I watch a tournament, I go in with preconceived notions on who is better, and I formulate those in my own special way, based on performances, little intricacies that other people may or may not have picked up on, just like everyone else does.

Let's say we're talking about Life vs MVP, to avoid anything SEA-based. I went into that believing that MVP was the better player. If Life was to win, it would be an upset, but it wouldn't mean he's a better player. He just played better on the day (barely) and won. I still don't think Life is a 'better player' than MVP, although you can make a judgement both ways. There are no facts, because there are way too many variables.

Cos in the end, it's just like, your opinion man.

(this isn't meant to be a potshot at you stally, it's just the whole last innings is all that counts thing that i can't get down with)

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u arent allowed to have an opinion or bias when u rank bro didnt u get the memmo
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@tgun lol yea :P you know what i mean tho hahahaha

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@pet sorry forgot ahhaha i knew it was more zergs :P
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NXZ: You can be sure me and Rossi would not shy away from a 1v1 with Pet to prove our worth. I like that you make a case for Pokerface not being in the top 10, when many people have many other commitment issues - Rossi goes to uni full-time doing a double degree. I have full-time work and spent the first 5 months of this year not even touching StarCraft. This means absolutely nothing. It isn't a "potential list" or "what could of list" it is a 2012 power rank. You might aswell throw iceiceice as #1 if it is a potential list.

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