[Nemo]

After close to 6 months of helping maintain this OP, crAzerk is stepping down and passing the reins over to resident map hacking detection champ, Nemo!

Admin Note: To submit a 'Suspected Hacker Report', you MUST produce the following:

1. Replay(s) (The more the better) of suspected hacker
2. Analysis of specific points in the game, with time (e.g. 10:26-10:35) stated, where the suspicious hack-like symptoms are found

Any accusations without these two will be ignored and you may be temp banned for falsely accusing and ruining the good name of someone else.


Confirmed Map Hacker List:

1. Sequoia (Blink Hacking - Multiple sources of blatant blink hacking from Jazbas, Jerry, PiG, etc)
   • Note - Account misused after sharing - clarification from original owner of account.
2. FaDeEvetS (He confessed to hacking in one game, with several other games shown to have been blatant maphack.)
3. Meany (Incriminating evidence from many players analysis, Clan SPR, Jazbas, nirvAnA, Nemo etc)
4. SlayerSBoxer (Auto-Inject + Map hack) (Links 1 , 2)
5. CraftKing (Blatant Maphack, glances into Fog of War at opponent's base multiple times) Replay 1 / Replay 2 + Analysis
6. Ghost - (Highly suspected and does not wish to submit more replays to clear his name, moving to Confirmed Hacker unless he comes back to clear his name)
7. iVnFiction (Suspicious sniping of Mothership. Claimed to not be playing account but disappears after being asked to supply replays. Moved to Confirmed Hacker unless he comes back to clear his name.
8. onsjcapone (Blatant Maphack, glances into Fog of War multiple times to look at opponent). Analysis / Replay
9. MeLo - Repositioning army repeatedly to things he can't see. Replay, Analysis
10. LiFeWiRe - Does too many things that are maphack-worthy. Also a racist douchebag. Report and Analysis
11. ThorPC - Analysis
12. Eveni - Analysis
13. Austi - Constant looking into Fog of War. Video Analysis.
14. Mikeyuan - Blink Stalker hack.
15. Melaine - Inject hack, maphack, all da h4x.
16. Mio - Following opponent army in Fog of war, Auto-blink stalkers hack.
17. LeeJay (NA) - Attacking the SCVs that are building proxy rax with 2 drones without any scouting. Following opponent army movements without seing it.
18. Ikerbs - Knowing where his opponent has spawn on 3 analysis and blindly cheesing them with canon or proxy gates. Dodging invisible opponent probe and TwoGee analysis.
19. bluexile - Constantly watching opponent army in fog of war. It's obvious enough to place him on the hacker list.
20. OoGaBa - Intercepting things he can't far too much times. Blink Stalker hack..
21. ImbaChrisJie - http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=968 and http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=972 Permanent poking in enemy bases without vision in 3 games shown. Odd cancel of forward pylon that was on the point of being scouted. Odd scouting of a cheese against him.
22. llllllllllll - http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=979 and http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...&postcount=983 Intercepting drops he cannot see, walling natural without seeing the incoming hellion runby, looking opponent army and base countless times in FoW.
23. Whiteluxury / LGWhite = Confirmed hacker. In base proxy gates on a 4 player map + heaps of other obvious stuff. Begins from page 51. Ban begins 6th November.
24. xxdroidxx - Bunch of dodgy actions + staring into fog at an invisible unit + multiple dubious sniping of observers. Analysis. Replay.
25. [ClanEX] DaNkS Strong preparation for an attack he couldn't see coming.
    Analysis
    Replay.+ http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...postcount=1197
26. Fraser / (whiteluxury ?) = Confirmed hacker : http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p...postcount=1202

Suspected Map hackers:

• Empirical - Highly suspicious behaviour such as deflecting an OL scout + no scouting on a 4player map but still sending a ling directly to his opponent's base. Replay and Analysis 1, Analysis 2 , Analysis 3. Additional Replays (2)

Quick Comments

	ToRSpartaz:	<3
	nirvAnA:
	ToRsupapower:
	NvJazBas:
	iVnStinger:
	SMU E-sports:	justice is served
	VB_Boony:

[x1a0yu2]

why cheater Sequoia (GM top 1 now) still do not be bannd by blizz?


Sequoia is known by used blink stalker bot, and even map hacker. I dont know why he still can play and he is
GM top 3 now, that is so ridiculous

Quick Comments

	nirvAnA:	so cute china ToT powa!!!!!!!
	seminaked:	sb队长，我来扣分了!!!

[crAzerk]

Submit a report to Blizzard? And what is a blink stalker bot?

[nirvAnA]

Yea a lot of pple have confirmed that. There is also another protoss map hacker, will tell his clan leader about it rather than out him here

[x1a0yu2]

automatic control blink stalker, it is so powerful for pvz.

[aLtMrFool]

Same words of advise as always.. When you meet people who cheat just to win in SC II.. Just ignore them and move on until they receive the banhammer from blizzard! No point muddling over a lost that you can learn nothing from

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xGKingStallion:

so smart <3

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by aLtMrFool

Same words of advise as always.. When you meet people who cheat just to win in SC II.. Just ignore them and move on until they receive the banhammer from blizzard! No point muddling over a lost that you can learn nothing from

pretty sure an account needs a number of "flags" before it is checked out by blizzard (theorycraft). so then if everyone just moved on in these types of situations, no one would get banned there are people of certain types, then there are others. iduno, i guess everything just balances itself out. you just have to learn to accept it. advice is useless i guess im more a passive type and dont give a **** lol.

[Av.ToRZooM]

Can we has replay?

[EveVendetta]

Are you really sure he uses blink hack? I won a blink stalker immortal PvP game against him, and when he looked at his base where I had sent a zealot to his mineral line his stalkers didn't blink backwards and many died.

Not sure how a blink hack works but he wasn't using it then.

I can upload the replay if you guys wanna take a look.

Edit: Ok wait i just re-watched the replay again and I saw one point where a stray stalker blinked back automatically (when he was controlling his main army). Hmmm.

[PiG]

lol that guy is so bad though. Does the most obvious blinkstalkers 11:30 push every game and i just overwhelmed him despite the micro i think 3-0 the other day...

Edit: Yeah make sure you have sent a proper report to blizzard, they normally take a few days though. Just wait and see I suppose.

Quick Comments

JoFritzMD:

Why can't everyone be like you PiG

[TASlowHands]

Never fear x1a0yu2, I shall see to it immediately

[Rage]

You know what, I played this guy yesterday, and didn't notice anything, but I read this thread and went and looked at the replay, and he does not even scout at all in a PvP until after his CYBERCORE.

I mean, yes, some people scout after 12gate and check proxy spots first instead of doing a 9scout for added safety, but scouting at 16 supply is a bit ridiculous - a 2x proxy gate in the middle of Entombed Valley would have been a B/O win against him doing that.

Went back and retroactively reported him.

Quick Comments

	[TA]LoSt:	thats hardly sufficient evidence for a report..
	Zealo:	i core scout in PvP...
	wolf:	i core scout on 11 gate too
	deL:	I don't scout in PvP, no use spying on someone's flipped coin while it's in the air
	Ruscour:	i core scout quite often, the extra minerals for tight timings is sometimes worth the risk
	AusBox:	1 Gate -> Twilight often needs the extra minerals given from a core scout Vs a 4gate

[calcifer19]

i played this guy when this season start he always go blink stalker vs zerg and he took 3 games frome me and 7 games from jerry, then he admit to jerry he is using hacks

[ETL.Daedalus]

I didn't even know there was such a thing as a blink stalker bot

[[TA]fray'MiLes]

Jerry hook a homeboy up with some replays, you can't just go around allegationising peoples you knows?

[ToRSpartaz]

Hate on the hackers where do I sign up? We can mass report dem ^^

[Rage]

at the very least, i'm glad that sequoia is outed. hopefully with enough reports we can get some action.

[crAzerk]

This post has been made redundant, I'm just a OP-updater not a judge!

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While I'm honored to be tasked this responsibility by nirvAnA, I have some points to make:

What is the purpose of this thread?
Is to catch maphackers? To put a label on hackers? To vent your frustration after losing? To compile a list of hackers to ban for future tournaments? To compile a list of hackers to ostracize and verbally abuse everytime you get matched against them on ladder?

Whatever the intention is, I don't see how it's going to be done 'fairly'. Whether someone is hacking or not is 90% of the time a fairly ambiguous case. Apart from the blatant cases where players actually glance into the fog (happened ages ago I recall), most other cases are bound to be ambiguous.


How do you judge whether someone is hacking?
What then is the criteria to decide if someone is or is not a maphacker in these cases? Is it when 60% of the replies agree that he is a hacker? 80%? 90%? 100? Or is it when an 'expert' (e.g. top 10 GM player) says 'yes, it is hacking'?

There are just so many cases of 'sixth sense' in this game of SC2 which makes it difficult to distinguish who's hacking or not. One personal case I could recall was when Shortizz was still an unknown and he was playing against a wellknown T (can't rem who), and he basically put up blind spores ag a dual port Banshee build and as a result owned it pretty well. I recall thinking at that point of time 'HOW DOES HE KNOW??'
Hacks? Hardly. It's just a precautionary measure as we all know by now, 'safety spores' as we call it.

And I'm sure you've seen many games of the top GSL Zergs (I always get them mixed up so I won't bother naming them) employing some mystical sixth sense and somehow catching every single Terran drop


Proper decision-making techniques
Anyone who has studied decision-making techniques academically will be able to attest to this - a group makes better decisions than an individual, although they will take a longer time and other group processes may bias their decision of course.

Especially so in such a moral decision as 'Is X a hacker', with no clear criteria to determine it, it is definitely preferable to have a group make a decision rather than an individual. If you want to appoint 'someone' to decide on these cases, you need a group, not any lone individual.

And even with a group, you'll need to establish the proper decision making technique as well - do you decide by consensus? (100% agree as a group) Do you vote? (80% majority, etc) Do you have an appointed leader who consolidates the points by the group and makes the decision? Do you


Conclusion (TL/ DR)
Therefore, I don't see this thread accomplishing much, besides a lot of finger pointing and a lot of tension between players. To summarize my points:

• A clear purpose for this needs to be established. Are we going to ban named hackers from tournaments? (if anything less, there is no point for this thread, just disseminate the information in your clan or whatever to ostracize known parties
• Clear criteria needs to be established to determine whether someone is a hacker
• If above points are settled, then a team needs to be established, with clear decision making techniques put in place.

Thus, in light of the points above, I have to reject this delegation of being the judge in these maphack cases.

EDIT: In light of the recent confession, I have this to add:
Not everyone is going to have the balls like FadeevetS to own up to his crime. But well if the purpose of this thread is to put monumental pressure on a suspected hacker until he folds and crumbles and confesses to it, you don't need a judge.
So what I CAN do is to simply update the OP if we have confessions, but I'm not going to play judge. You guys can be the lynch mob.

[CHoBo(kice)]

I dropped 7 games to a no name Protoss the other day... I looked at replays I did not do anything out of the usual. 4 gate every game yet still managed to beat me, very unusual. Almost broke him once but COINCIDENTLY goes into my base and destroys my CC with full mana....... Teched to DT. I was going 1-1-1 after 6 losses of bio and how he know I dont have a raven on map hmmm

Blind tech switches and preparation at his base knowing exactly when I am going to move and how.

Cant beleive my win rate is at 20% currently. I decided to quit laddering on until blizzard sorts some of this crap out. I am working on getting my other account into GM now instead.

It is actually disgusting the amount of people doing it at the moment. I managed to drop several games at Platinum / Diamond level, analysis of replay makes me think wtf... Several instances when I fly factories over manage to put blind pylon in exact location where I am flying just as am about to land or drop. For people to be doing it "Coincidently" in platinum level compared to me beating the best with the strategy makes me question it.

From what I have heard these hacks are available freely to the public whereas before they were paid and private... Hence the dramatic increase... It is just disgusting, lowlife and pathetic doesn't matter what excuse you have IRL or what ever.

If you have IRL issues, go SORT it out... Dont go on Starcraft and take it out on players who practice so hard and train to improve because it messes with people and puts them off game. My previous experience is if you have IRL issues your game play will be drastically effected in a bad way and you should not play until it is sorted out.

my 2c

Quick Comments

	Zealo:	post the replays?
	SoloZ:

[RamboLicious]

ok guys, I know that the guy Sequoia is confirmed hacking. But can anyone post a replay or a video of him actually hacking?
I'm not being a troll or anything, I just need hard evidence.

Quick Comments

PiG:

yeah i didnt realise he was hacking he just seemed stupid. sum1 plz post evidence