[Statix]

Ive tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and treied and tried and tried to post simple questions of the TL forum, nearly everyone gets closed, modded, needs something with it. Are they running at approved posters bot, if ur name aint on the list we are going to be ridiculous and stop any kind of advice being given to you. Its really simple stuff. when i do post my responses are use the search. ok my questions into TL search were

early zerling build
early pool build
fast zergling build
fast zergling build
economic fast pool

you know what . . nothing there answers my question or it is there but i havent really got all the time to read 70 posts, i may get yabot out and do my own 10,11,12,13,14,11over,12, over pools . . i think i could find out quicker

.......................anyway i digress!!! i do this a lot.

i want to focus more on scouting and reading the opponent so i can react quicker and more efficiently. Are there any guides i can look at (hopefully not the regulars that keep getting banded about the TL and these forums) or practice drills i can do to help me with this.

basically a lot of my lings come to either a canon or some kind of scout stop. I could go 10 pool or something but i dont want to damage my econ. any ideas io can use.

the 14gas pool seems to be the best as speedlings are qout quick. Any improvements?

[SLCN.Kez]

U dont need to scout with lings or actually physically SEE what he is doing. Scouting the front to see what units or how mcuh of a unit he has will tell you a lot. Now also with this new patch ovies are super quick and you can just about always get them into good scouting positions so that u can run them into your opponents base and sacrifice them for scouting. Such good scouting positions usually include any place next to ur opponents main/natural that isnt over ground so nothing can shoot you.

Lastly, with zvt and zvt the most important things to scout are the gases. Not much gas be careful for an all-in or an expansion, a lot of gas becareful for some kind of tech cheese or very safe expo. thats a lil bit more in depth and i cbf going into it atm. Also, u can always just use a drone to scout usually around 13, to see if they have gas/early expod/ what they are doing in general.

The only time you should early pool is either some form of cheese or heavy early aggression as it sets u back to far economically really

One final word of advice. forget compositions and what strats are good against what strats for now. Focus on macroing, hitting ur injects, never getting supply blocked, and always trying to build a shit tonne of drones. This is what will get you promoted super quick. gl hf!

Quick Comments

	Reere:	For final paragrph. No matter how tired you are of hearing it, sadly it is the truth~
	mGGAequitas:	last paragraph exactly, just focus on perfecting your macro.
	TAEaeron:	good advice.

[Statix]

thanks for the reply but youve no idea how tired i am of hearing

One final word of advice. forget compositions and what strats are good against what strats for now. Focus on macroing, hitting ur injects, never getting supply blocked

im gold league, i rarely miss injects now unless im having to try and get the most out of similar army trades, my macro is pretty good, and i drone hard, too hard in most games but im quite happy to lose to over droning.

this is why i think my scouting needs to be better. i want to effectively hold pushes, trade an army but stay way ahead and lose a lot less than he did . . . then get more ahead. Im playing this style now while we are in lock to really focus on aspects of my game

another issue im having is the only produce units when hes pushing out line which keeps being banded about. Ive not taken this literally, cos EVERY time i do this i haven't got nearly the enough units to deal with the push. whats the trick with this?

Quick Comments

	TAriiChard:	you answered your own question here. "scout better" to "defend better/macro better"
	mGGDaedalus:	you dont literally have zero units until push moves out. just minimal
	TAEaeron:	way to not take constructive criticism.

[HuT]

Originally Posted by Statix

thanks for the reply but youve no idea how tired i am of hearing

One final word of advice. forget compositions and what strats are good against what strats for now. Focus on macroing, hitting ur injects, never getting supply blocked

im gold league, i rarely miss injects now unless im having to try and get the most out of similar army trades, my macro is pretty good, and i drone hard, too hard in most games but im quite happy to lose to over droning.

this is why i think my scouting needs to be better. i want to effectively hold pushes, trade an army but stay way ahead and lose a lot less than he did . . . then get more ahead. Im playing this style now while we are in lock to really focus on aspects of my game

another issue im having is the only produce units when hes pushing out line which keeps being banded about. Ive not taken this literally, cos EVERY time i do this i haven't got nearly the enough units to deal with the push. whats the trick with this?

Kez is GM, I suggest you listen to him.

Quick Comments

Reere:

Truth

[x5_Potter]

Why would you be happy to lose because of overdroning when you're trying to effectively hold pushes? Scouting will do **** all if you have too many drones and not enough units.

[jayaiwhy]

I don't really understand the question...

Quick Comments

MooZfY:

me too

[ROOT`iaguz]

im gold league, i rarely miss injects now unless im having to try and get the most out of similar army trades, my macro is pretty good, and i drone hard, too hard in most games but im quite happy to lose to over droning.

That's impossible. If you were doing these things then you wouldn't be in Gold league. If you're sub-masters your mechanics suck. If you're masters then your mechanics are still awful, just a bit less (unless you are called Goody or Elfi of course...)

Quick Comments

	mGGDaedalus:	no one can improve til they realise how terrible they truly are
	mGGAequitas:	i lol'd when I read that paragraph too

[TADivinity]

Originally Posted by Statix

im gold league, i rarely miss injects now

Loooooooooooooooooooooool

Edit: I think I should add - what might help you is realising how much you really, really suck at this game. I was telling myself this today hahah. There are SO many things you can improve to become better, but those things that kez listed are key, and getting better at only those few things WILL get you promoted quickly. There is no way you are 'good' with any of them at all yet.

Quick Comments

	TAriiChard:	and divinity REALLY does suck
	TABottles:	tehe

[TAriiChard]

Hi Statix. You may be tired of hearing what kez has told you but everything he has said is true. If you believe you are dying from allins after overdroning then try setting yourself an overlord/overseer scout timing where from that timing you either decide to macro harder or pump out units to defend the allin.

If you think you are hitting all your injects then I think you should work on the other parts of your game like scout timings, upgrade timings and creep spread.

[Statix]

of course i accept that my mechanics are not THAT good being in gold, the gg tracker has my line close to masters.

sigh just a question i half asses asked, didnt expect everyone to be so damn offensive, good job i didnt re sub

[Reere]

Just to add-on since your question was mainly about scouting-

- Drone scout @ 9-14 food

- Lings at Xelnaga(s) + outside of enemy base + 3rd

- Sacrifice overlord(s) around 7-10min

It doesn't really matter what BO you open with. You will get more or less most the info you need by doing the above in all match-ups.

Edit: And just to echo, it's still a mechanics issue. Not scouting.
Edit 2: Take a step back & think about it, there's a reason many people are telling you the same thing.
GLHF~

[crAzerk]

Your OP is really horridly composed, I'm not really sure what your question is. How to scout? How to get early lings without being behind on economy?

EDIT:

sigh just a question i half asses asked,

This is probably precisely why noone could really answer you, because you didn't even ask your questions properly and noone understands.


Try to ask a more specific question, like 'I keep losing to a 6 gate all in after a FFE against Toss. How do I scout for this?' or something like that

[TADivinity]

Originally Posted by Statix

the gg tracker has my line close to masters.

Da phuc is dat?

Originally Posted by Statix

sigh just a question i half asses asked, didnt expect everyone to be so damn offensive, good job i didnt re sub

No one is being offensive. Except maybe me. But dude...READ THE ANSWERS YOU WERE GIVEN.

They are 110% correct and if you follow them, you WILL get past any other issue you are worrying about!

You don't realise until you are higher that the only things stopping you from being promoted were very SIMPLE CONCEPTS! You are thinking too much!

Quick Comments

Trinion:

[ROOT`iaguz]

that as well, your OP is godawful. What are you even trying to ask!?!?!?

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by Statix

of course i accept that my mechanics are not THAT good being in gold, the gg tracker has my line close to masters.

sigh just a question i half asses asked, didnt expect everyone to be so damn offensive, good job i didnt re sub

if it's scouting you're having issues with, then scout more.

ZvT, you can sack an overlord around 6minutes to see what he tech he is going for/

ZvP, double overlord sac from behind natural and from main to see what he is up to

ZvZ, I don't even scout, just need to develop game sense

this being said, all these timings might not work in lower leagues as the build orders they do isn't the optimal...

Maybe just follow the simple concept of

Is he expanding? Drone
He's not expanding, make units

[TAriiChard]

Most of us here are trying to help you Statix but from your replies it seems as though you don't want our help... Here's the one main advice for you Statix. Listen to the advice given to you =)

[iM yang]

just copy pro level replays to see how to play macro games - if the other player doesn't expand when they normally would, make units

P.S. every person in gold league thinks their mechanics are da bomb - guarenteed every person in gold leagues mechanics suck incredibly badly

probably your threads on TL get closed because you make bad OPs - instead of asking general stuff and then demanding different answers, post a replay of a specific loss and try to analyze the game yourself

Quick Comments

	TAriiChard:
	TAEaeron:	I don't think my mechanics are "da bomb".
	TABottles:	Everything about me is the da bomb

[TABottles]

If you're hitting all your injects in Gold league, then i'm MKP.

Quick Comments

	mGGAequitas:	hi i'm MC
	Trinion:	^ No I am!
	ToRRedemption:	Meet parting < me

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Statix

im gold league, i rarely miss injects now unless im having to try and get the most out of similar army trades

Nestea misses injects

Quick Comments

	ThatGuyDoMo:	Statix doesn't
	Trinion:	^ Obviously the next bonjwa :D
	iVnStinger:	^ So true.

[Statix]

awww ma gawd . . .delete this post please! did it when i was very drunk

i was just reading it and thinking what a nub this guy is, he needs to drone! then i looked and saw it was me

no joke i dont remember posting this . .

i agree with every post made here, tis true tho i havent got more than 10 energy total in hatch queens but my macro is pretty bad

soz for post dudes

Quick Comments

	Pox:	hahaha
	TABottles:	rofl
	NvJazBas:	lol hahaha