[Delraich]

I have a pretty good idea on what I am supposed to do against zerg who FE and go roach-hydra (i basically follow the Incontrol build order - 3 gate expo, but put the forge at the base of the ramp like I've seen on Pinders replays).

Unfortunately, this doesnt seem to work v well when a bunch of mutalisk's arrive in your main while u have a bunch of sentries at the foot of your ramp.

nGenLight said this: "Basically just know that as Toss, we want to force as many army units off you as possible (less drones) until we reach that Toss deathball/3rd expansion. Before this period we will continue to poke at you to force you to make units and find out if you have made Roaches or if you are going Mutalisk and adjust accordingly.If saw roaches -> Go home and build death ball,If saw crap load of spines no roaches -> Probably Muta, 2 Stargates going up, cannons at mineral line going up.If no static defense, and no roaches -> WTF? Either a noob or going Muta/Ling with no static defense, a push here will hurt the Zerg really badly if not outright kill them."

Does all of the above happen on 1 base? Or do i still go 3 gate - nexus - pylon - forge. Maybe at this point the canon doesnt go at the base of the ramp but instead you get more in the mineral lines and build 2 stargate instead of the robo bay and facility? Once this is set up, do you basically make 2 armies - one for the ground (is this a gate way army since u made stargates?) while making phoenix for the muta's?

[ProAnnn]

You can start off with 1 stargate and make like 3 phoenix for harass and scouting before deciding whether he going 1 base muta. If that happens on 1 base, i suggest u dont expand too early. Scout him with hallucinated phoenix / real phoenix b4 u expand

[HDPhoenix]

Earliest realistic timing for mutas is around the 9min mark. Plenty of time to 3gate fast expand with hallucination for phoenix scouts. If you see pure lings and 4 gas, its mutas so just get cannons and phoenixes. =) Its the same gateway push but instead of more colossus, its with colos with phoenixes. The phoenixes will provide you map control too so that's a bonus

[Delraich]

Ah OK, cool. So the 2 stargates are essentially the replacement of the 2-3 extra gates you would have made in addition to robo fac and bay?

[inFeZa]

If you went robo tech, it is annoying to deal with, I also find if i go DTs or templar tech, use ur stalkers for harras untill you can get an archon / cannons up.

Archons are aweseome vs mutalisks.

[Sensator]

Get cannons up (don't go overboard), research blink @ twilight council and build phoenixes. Speedlings will get raped by forcefields as well.

[mR.bONG789]

pressure is the counter to muta ling, if you dont pressure you are going to lose. once he does get his mutas out 2 cannons at min line and get blink, if he reaches a large mass (20+ mutas) get storm or phoenix and rape him. guardian shield helps greatly too in engagements

[Meatex]

3 gate FE is very strong build. I can't beat a masters level 3 gate FE as zerg because so easy to scout as protoss with hallucination.
You can adapt the build accordingly, See only 1 queen per base go in and void ray harrass, see lair and roaches you might want robo
If you mutas you can go stargate route or 6 gate blink stalkers perhaps? the 3 gate FE seems like most versatile build of any race in SC2