[entropyvx]

Hi guys

So I watched SOTG last night (yeah almost all 5 hours of it!) and was just wondering what people thought of the whole Naniwa situation?

I'm of 2 minds on the subject, but i'm leaning more towards siding with Incontrol in that he is a paid professional and sometimes you have to do some things that you don't like (in any job actually)

- Entropy

[cruxBsK]

yes it was awesome, no i didn't like the way nani handled the game but i can understand why he did what he did.

/beating dead horse

[FaDeBadger]

Naniwa shouldn't have done it. Regardless of what people say, there was a clause in his agreement with GOMTV. It was their call, and I'll stand by it.

[iVnStinger]

To be honest, I have to agree with Mr. Chae on the situation. This is a professional sport. Yes it may be just computer games but it's professional. How can we keep it that way if a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER does something as stupid as that in a game just because he's frustrated. That is just worse than IdrA. I don't think he deserves to be kicked out of Code S or whatever it was, but I do believe he should be punished. So, thank you GSL for having standards.

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nirvAnA:

[MazEi]

Well to me you would look at it as if its another sport, let's say football. If you're last in the group and there is no hope at all of changing anything, you still play the whole 90minutes regardless, even if you were fooling around the whole game. But it's Naniwa so I could understand the thought process.

Also, perhaps we should talk about SotG if this is an SotG thread. That drunk episode was kinda funny =D

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by mazei

Well to me you would look at it as if its another sport, let's say football. If you're last in the group and there is no hope at all of changing anything, you still play the whole 90minutes regardless, even if you were fooling around the whole game.

by that logic every player who leaves before his last building is destroyed should receive an equal penalty, since they're not playing 'the whole game'.

revoking his code S seed for using a bad strategy is pretty hard to justify. GOM's attempts to portray naniwa as a player who cares more about money than championships would be laughable if they weren't serious

[MazEi]

Originally Posted by Zealo

by that logic every player who leaves before his last building is destroyed should receive an equal penalty, since they're not playing 'the whole game'.

revoking his code S seed for using a bad strategy is pretty hard to justify. GOM's attempts to portray naniwa as a player who cares more about money than championships would be laughable if they weren't serious

Well don't take the point literally but I'm pretty sure you get what I meant.

[Zealo]

Originally Posted by mazei

Well don't take the point literally but I'm pretty sure you get what I meant.

if a player went on the field during a meaningless match and did nothing/sat down/whatever the equivalent is, it would be up to the team to punish him, not the league.

[LordByrnsy]

did naniwa receive some kind of punishment? do we know what it is yet?

[nirvAnA]

New PlayXP interview with Blizzard Cup players in the Ro6:

>Q. How do you feel about Naniwa not being able to participate in the upcoming GSL season?

>MC: He did not deserve it. Code S is for the best progamers in the world. I do not see Naniwa as a progamer. I see him as a little boy.

>Leenock: To be honest, I don't think Naniwa is that strong. If the players in Code S watched his replays, he wouldn't win a game.

>Polt: Naniwa is a strange guy. I hope he qualifies for Code A like any other player next season.

>MVP: I feel Naniwa is a strong player, but with a very weak mind. He reminds me off a soft egg.

>Q. How do you feel about Idra and Sen getting invitational spots into Code S next season?

>MC: What did they do to deserve the honor to play in Code S? Because they aren't Korean? I promise to thumbs them down back where they belong.

>Leenock: I think they're both good players. I look forward to fighting them.

>Polt: I qualified for the Round of Six in the Blizzard Cup, but I don't get invited to Code S freely because I am not a foreigner? I think it's a ploy to get more money, honestly.

>MVP: It hurts my soul.

Quick Comments

	EveMassacrisM:	LOL@MVP's comment
	FaDeBadger:	Hurts my soul too buddy.
	DtorR:	Love the koreans comments. Truth always hurts.
	breadfan:	MVP >.<
	MooZfY:	MVP comment is the best lol
	Gnemest:

[FaDeNotoriouS]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

New PlayXP interview with Blizzard Cup players in the Ro6:

>Q. How do you feel about Naniwa not being able to participate in the upcoming GSL season?

>MC: He did not deserve it. Code S is for the best progamers in the world. I do not see Naniwa as a progamer. I see him as a little boy.

>Leenock: To be honest, I don't think Naniwa is that strong. If the players in Code S watched his replays, he wouldn't win a game.

>Polt: Naniwa is a strange guy. I hope he qualifies for Code A like any other player next season.

>MVP: I feel Naniwa is a strong player, but with a very weak mind. He reminds me off a soft egg.

>Q. How do you feel about Idra and Sen getting invitational spots into Code S next season?

>MC: What did they do to deserve the honor to play in Code S? Because they aren't Korean? I promise to thumbs them down back where they belong.

>Leenock: I think they're both good players. I look forward to fighting them.

>Polt: I qualified for the Round of Six in the Blizzard Cup, but I don't get invited to Code S freely because I am not a foreigner? I think it's a ploy to get more money, honestly.

>MVP: It hurts my soul.

Is MC trolling us? He can't be serious

[x5_Potter]

I started crying from laughter when the dude called Boris came on.

[MazEi]

That guy with the Russian accent? LOL.

[souljah]

Mia rose... nuff said

[entropyvx]

Oh yeah Mia rose, sounds like she has laringitis....Or she is about to break out and cry!
On another note, JP was as wasted as $h|t by the end of that episode

[Maynarde]

Best content came from iNcontroL:

"Combat Ex and Mia Rose are the two biggest assholes in the SC2 community" ... think about it.

"I would twirl Day[9]'s arm hair as I neared climax... " that whole segment when he described what he'd do the the others was the most roflworthy thing I've ever seen on stream ever.

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mGGDaedalus:

I would gently cradle his head as I crammed it in his pie hole

[ZC.EvilSWAT]

I was thinking who Mia Rose was.

So I looked up Google.

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

I was thinking who Mia Rose was.

So I looked up Google.

I was thinking who Mia Rose was.

So I looked up Google.



***Not taking the piss, i'm 100% in agreement.***

[EveJeonSa]

Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

I was thinking who Mia Rose was.

So I looked up Google.

Not bad.

[MazEi]

I should've watched it till the end, damn futsal.

brb going to mlg site nao

[mGGDaedalus]

Naniwa was an idiot and he had to live with the punishment he got, and even he readily admits that now and (hopefully from the sound of it) realises the stupidity of what he did.

That said, I think the Koreans are very melodramatic and the community in general has gone too far with the Naniwa hate, acting like he's the new Hitler or something.

[HuT]

Nani lacks the attitude for a pro-gamer. I agree with Leenock as well in regards to his skill, he hasn't been all that impressive in Korea imo.

[TCPLemminks]

*sigh* Why must all the best drama happen when I have limited or no internet T_T.

Would anyone care to elaborate, if not I'll just watch the 5 hour SOTG.

[Repneiras]

Originally Posted by Lemminks

*sigh* Why must all the best drama happen when I have limited or no internet T_T.

Would anyone care to elaborate, if not I'll just watch the 5 hour SOTG.

IIRC NaNiWa essentially threw a losers' bracket game against Nestea that didn't mean anything towards results (though there might have been a prize difference) and the SC2 eSports community is outraged, though I haven't been in the scene enough to know the significance.

[MazEi]

+ [Blizzard cup Naniwa vs NesTea] +

It was the Blizzard cup group stages, and it was the last match, Naniwa vs NesTea. Naniwa was out of the tourney no matter what and just probe rushed and lost.

[RicocheT]

I don't blame GOM for such a harsh stance.
When it's their tournament and in their country, its up to the players to respect the culture and the small nuisances of it.
Although I believe a bit harsh, I can understand why they would do such a thing.

[SnuCtups]

And that is why I very much dislike Koreans for the most part (and well, most other businesses now...).
Rip everyone off as much as possible, and sit back and enjoy the profits.

Even the comments they make are ridiculous...
MC is a little (chubby) boy who "disrespects" his opponents out of game with his stupid throat cutting, thumbs downing motions, etc. If anything that's more stupid than probe rushing.
Leenock calling NaNiwa bad, is basically him calling every single person that didn't do as well as him bad (falls down the chain..).
Mvp just seems butthurt that he was bested by someone playing a harder race.

As for the IdrA/SEn scenario, I feel SEn deserves the spot, but IdrA should have to work his way through.
MC.. Straight away goes for the racial remarks of "they're not Korean"... Wouldn't have anything to do with SKILL would it?... What an idiot.
Leenock... Finally, a smart response.
Polt... LOL YOU'RE AN IDIOT. When Koreans realise that GSL isn't the holy of holies, and that there's other bigger events (MLG, NASL, IPL, etc..), and that winning those tournaments means they're also good, then they will hopefully shut up.
Mvp.. Good, go die, being a butthurt girl wont change what is happening.

All in all, Koreans are sitting on a high horse thinking they're superior to everyone.

Quick Comments

	TAavanar:	i disagree i dont think MVP would be butthurt that he lost to naniwa at all, what he said about naniwa i feel is true and koreans in terms of skill, are superior
	SLCN.NXZ:	All your points on the Korean players are wrong
	iVnStinger:	I completely disagree. MVP got beaten by Nani ONCE, he can beat Nani 20x if they meet again. And IdrA deserves the place more than Sen i believ e.
	cruxSpoon:	You sir, have no clue what you're talking about, your logic is faulty and the only butthurt one seemst o be you. MC - good point, its more fair for them to work there way up there like everyone else
	EveMassacrisM:	I haz Korean friends
	ROOTPetraeus:	If your trying to put your point of view across, theres no need to make up statistics and diss players in order to do it.
	Neoneoz:	Mvp would buttrape Nani anytime man ,
	Synizta:	ustupidbro?
	mGGDaedalus:	my eyes are bleeding
	FaDeBadger:	Morons are not welcome here
	TCPKiaSu:	racists bastard

[SLCN.NXZ]

Originally Posted by SnuCtups

And that is why I very much dislike Koreans for the most part (and well, most other businesses now...).
Rip everyone off as much as possible, and sit back and enjoy the profits.

Even the comments they make are ridiculous...
MC is a little (chubby) boy who "disrespects" his opponents out of game with his stupid throat cutting, thumbs downing motions, etc. If anything that's more stupid than probe rushing.
Leenock calling NaNiwa bad, is basically him calling every single person that didn't do as well as him bad (falls down the chain..).
Mvp just seems butthurt that he was bested by someone playing a harder race.

As for the IdrA/SEn scenario, I feel SEn deserves the spot, but IdrA should have to work his way through.
MC.. Straight away goes for the racial remarks of "they're not Korean"... Wouldn't have anything to do with SKILL would it?... What an idiot.
Leenock... Finally, a smart response.
Polt... LOL YOU'RE AN IDIOT. When Koreans realise that GSL isn't the holy of holies, and that there's other bigger events (MLG, NASL, IPL, etc..), and that winning those tournaments means they're also good, then they will hopefully shut up.
Mvp.. Good, go die, being a butthurt girl wont change what is happening.

All in all, Koreans are sitting on a high horse thinking they're superior to everyone.

So much contradiction and hypocrisy in this post.
Its disgusting really.

[MazEi]

Ugh...as I feared, its pointless to try to push this topic into the topic it should be which is about what the title is, "State of the Game". Well goodbye this thread until the dumbasses stop arguing pointlessly.

[SnuCtups]

I'm not dissing all koreans, just these ones.
They're being such girls about non koreans playing in this event aswell.

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ProAnnn:

Koreans have to go through Code A QUALIFIERS and Code A to get into Code S while idra and sen get a free seed into Code S.

[SLCN.NXZ]

Well MC is trolling I think. MvP responses are just him showing disappointment in the Naniwa and the GSL, nothing wrong there. Leenock says both sen and idra are good and that naniwa is very predictable and easy to counter, which makes perfect sense after their series at providence.

Polt is just annoyed that even though he's doing well in the Blizzard cup he doesn't get a free spot, when these foreigners do, for doing similar in other tournaments. You're taking what theyre saying in the worst light and then some.

[SnuCtups]

Who cares if MC is "trolling". He's still an ar$ehole.
Mvp can think what he wants, a game that means nothing is entirely irrelevant.
Calling a "Protoss" easy to counter is absurd. There's only 1 way every 99% of Protoss play, and there's a good reason behind that.
Polt being a girl about it just makes him look like an idiot. People have earned their place in GSL games.

[SLCN.NXZ]

Originally Posted by SnuCtups

Who cares if MC is "trolling". He's still an ar$ehole.
Mvp can think what he wants, a game that means nothing is entirely irrelevant.
Calling a "Protoss" easy to counter is absurd. There's only 1 way every 99% of Protoss play, and there's a good reason behind that.
Polt being a girl about it just makes him look like an idiot. People have earned their place in GSL games.

MC is being who he is, if you have a problem with that you shouldn't be talking about that here.

Yes, he can think what he wants? that's what people do in interviews, they talk about the question. No reason to hate on him.

Did you watch the Providence final? Naniwa went nexus first on xel'naga after getting roach rushed. Like really? Leenock is like 5-1 vs Naniwa he has every right to call him bad just as much as (if not a whole lot more) naniwa can to nestea. I mean theres a reason why people don't blind nexus first every game vs zerg.

Polt is saying if they deserve it so do I. Which I kind of agree with. Sure I love having IdrA and Sen in GSL but when a competitor who has done well in GSL tournaments (Don't even try to argue that GSL is not the biggest tournament ATM, don't even try) doesn't get a spot when 2 players who have had similar performances in WORSE tournaments get spots why wouldn't he have a problem with that? Sure he could just suck it up BUT HES BEING ASKED ABOUT IT, of course hes gonna give his opinion.

If anything Puma deserves the spot but they're not giving it to him, he has better performances then both IdrA (arguably) and Sen (definitely). Why aren't they giving it to him? because hes Korean and should just qualify like everyone else. Fact is, GOM wants foreign viewership and the Korean players are mad about it.

[breadfan]

Really, his decision to not play won't make me think any different of him. He's still a very solid foreign player.

I think GOM's decision was a justified one. I'm disappointed that they didn't actually use this as an opportunity to say "OK, after a year of SC2 we don't have everything covered in our rules and some of it is at our discretion. But now that this has happened, we are defining a rule that... etc". They left this grey area grey which isn't cool. In saying that, the guys on SotG brought up a match (was it an IPL game?) where someone was running late and got penalised a game for it, so his opponent threw the next game to even it up - it makes it a bit tough to set a particular rule without eliminating the possibility of this sort of sportsmanship happening.

The polarity of views seems to be on one side, people who think GOM did fine and that Naniwa should take it on the chin and just qualify himself, and those who get absolutely infuriated because it was all GOM's fault. Mostly disappointed in this kind of reaction, more than the whole ordeal itself.

I did crack up at iNcontrol's shenanigans, enjoyed the addition of Mia Rose to the panel (even though everyone was too wasted to make it more interesting) and still don't know how upset Artosis really was after the 2v2 game

[PiG]

Originally Posted by breadfan

Really, his decision to not play won't make me think any different of him. He's still a very solid foreign player.

I think GOM's decision was a justified one. I'm disappointed that they didn't actually use this as an opportunity to say "OK, after a year of SC2 we don't have everything covered in our rules and some of it is at our discretion. But now that this has happened, we are defining a rule that... etc". They left this grey area grey which isn't cool. In saying that, the guys on SotG brought up a match (was it an IPL game?) where someone was running late and got penalised a game for it, so his opponent threw the next game to even it up - it makes it a bit tough to set a particular rule without eliminating the possibility of this sort of sportsmanship happening.

The polarity of views seems to be on one side, people who think GOM did fine and that Naniwa should take it on the chin and just qualify himself, and those who get absolutely infuriated because it was all GOM's fault. Mostly disappointed in this kind of reaction, more than the whole ordeal itself.

I did crack up at iNcontrol's shenanigans, enjoyed the addition of Mia Rose to the panel (even though everyone was too wasted to make it more interesting) and still don't know how upset Artosis really was after the 2v2 game

The Korean culture isn't as letigious as ours. That is, they have an honour-based culture where stuff doesn't need to be in the rules for people to know what's right and wrong. That being said, the GSL is the 'global' starcraft league and as such maybe should lay out the rules a lot better.

Then again, maybe players should just know what's right and wrong. The MOMENT I saw nani pull probes i lold and said "he's getting banned" because I have a basic understanding of Korean culture, not to mention the idea of saying "**** you" to an organisation because of your own cockiness and immaturity. No matter where in the world he did this it was wrong.

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FaDeBadger:

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by SnuCtups

Who cares if MC is "trolling". He's still an ar$ehole.
Mvp can think what he wants, a game that means nothing is entirely irrelevant.
Calling a "Protoss" easy to counter is absurd. There's only 1 way every 99% of Protoss play, and there's a good reason behind that.
Polt being a girl about it just makes him look like an idiot. People have earned their place in GSL games.

You don't have to swear at people to make your point.

[SnuCtups]

Originally Posted by Petraeus

You don't have to swear at people to make your point.

Is english not your first language?
It's the context of the word that decides whether the statement is derogatory.
Skill up on your english boiiiii

Quick Comments

	ZC.EvilSWAT:	You must be new here.
	TABjornbrandr:	Whilst I respectfully disagreed with your other posts, this is just a blatant attack on someone.
	aLtMrFool:	Bad Bad SnuCtups

[MazEi]

Mods, please either delete these posts or just close this thread. Its giving me eye cancer.

[mGGDaedalus]

Everyone getting mad at that comments in the playxp article, you realise none of them are even referring to his probe rush incident right? They're commenting on his skill as a player.

[SnuCtups]

They need to realise that playing through Code A qualifiers, then going through up and down matches isn't the only way to get into Code S, that you can win other tournaments (that Koreans already attend anyway), and qualify... Idiots...

EDIT: Not the best example, but take IPL for instance. There's certain qualifiers prior to the main event, and an entire open bracket system where the non-invited players, or the ones who didn't qualify online have to play through.

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aLtShortizz:

Ur the only idiot here.

[ZC.EvilSWAT]

Originally Posted by SnuCtups

They need to realise that playing through Code A qualifiers, then going through up and down matches isn't the only way to get into Code S, that you can win other tournaments (that Koreans already attend anyway), and qualify... Idiots...

EDIT: Not the best example, but take IPL for instance. There's certain qualifiers prior to the main event, and an entire open bracket system where the non-invited players, or the ones who didn't qualify online have to play through.

Sure. They just need to spend a few thousand dollars for the plane ticket to Europe/USA as well as food & accommodation there, and heck, all this just to enter a competition that they may or may not win. Surely if they want it that badly, what's a measly $3000++, aye?

[SnuCtups]

Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

Sure. They just need to spend a few thousand dollars for the plane ticket to Europe/USA as well as food & accommodation there, and heck, all this just to enter a competition that they may or may not win. Surely if they want it that badly, what's a measly $3000++, aye?

What an idiotic response...
People who are not from Korea who go to those events, it still costs them several thousand $ depending on where they are. It's not all about Korea. Koreans need to get over it.

Edit: The more I think about what you said, the more stupid I think you are. Jesus Christ... That's the entire point of giving people spots in GSL.
God you're an idiot. Words cannot truly express your stupidity.

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	Someone ban him.
	nirvAnA:	there you go pete. hes probably zan

[SLCN.NXZ]

Yes people can qualify in other ways doesn't change how deserving they are though. You're like blatantly trying to attack the Koreans, then when people try and explain what they're saying you attack them instead. Tell me why isn't puma in code s, you explain to me why and until then the Koreans are right.

[Cordance]

Originally Posted by EvilSWAT

Sure. They just need to spend a few thousand dollars for the plane ticket to Europe/USA as well as food & accommodation there, and heck, all this just to enter a competition that they may or may not win. Surely if they want it that badly, what's a measly $3000++, aye?

This is exactly the argument on both sides only $3000 is cheep compared to a month in Korea to get into Code A. Although with the code changes you can go from code A to winning code S in a single season it still a very steep road.
I get the feeling from the responses from Korea, they know how hard it is to get into a Code A and then Code S spot but they do not understand how expensive it is from other nations to do so. Clearly they dislike the idea of a shortcut into the GSL and given some past results I am inclined to agree with them a lot how ever there has to be a short cut in else there is no realistic way in for a non Korean living player. They would then say get a gaming house based in Korea but that is not practical due to the becoming good enough via winning outside comps then disappearing into code B to maybe come out in code A just isnt value for money for the international teams. This is the one thing that needs to be explaned to code A and apparently so code S players. The difference between training hard and attending the code B lan vs Training hard relocating for a month to get up with the meta game of Korea for the code B lan then going home refinancing so it can happen again.

As far as Nani how much longer would it have taken to play out a 4 gate then GG when it failed. SC2 is a competitive form of entertainment if your not entertaining and your not competing do you really have a right to be playing the match. Perhaps it would have been better for Gom to just not have the match but they are producing a TV show they require content the same as every other sports based show. The idea of a gentleman agreement to not play the match it should be discussed with the refs input Im sure if he had done so they would have said the rules say you have to play every game to the best of your ability to provide us with content. It gives people a reason to play the game out above and beyond their personal agenda.

On other matters raised in the tread I like the idea of 1 or 2 foreign placements in code A or placement in an up and down match specially now the format has been changed where you can go straight from code A into code S. This would mean they didnt get a free ride into code S they at least had to play one of the people whos position would not be up for grabs that season due to it being given to another tournament results. Well still giving them a chance to do well in Code S and justify staying in Korea longer term. The issue of Koreans see foreigners getting a "free ride" into their competition is a problem of perception and so can and should be explained.

Quick Comments

	Maynarde:	Good post
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	I fully agree with foreigners being placed into Code A / Placement Match at best.

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by SnuCtups

Someone ban him.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu I'm so used to giving positive rep lol.... oh well someone plz even it out.

[Paroxysm]

I love how he began with trying to present a 'valid' point in his eyes, and then slowly his posts derailed the thread until he was personally assaulting anyone who made a valid point in the discussion or as a response. People like this have no place in any community, let alone a tight-knit one such as ours and I am glad to see him gone. SC2SEA Fighting!

On topic:
I believe that Naniwa should have had the respect for himself and his team to play through the game in a high scale tournament in which he was selected to play in based on his skills as a player. His lack of enthusiasm about the final game perhaps enforces the fact that he is not entirely ready to be a professional of his 'art' and has yet to learn how to control his emotions if he wants to compete with the best of the best. On the other hand, I think the response to his game was a complete overreaction, however it is completely understandable in my eyes.

Paroxysm

[snuctups1]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

I love how he began with trying to present a 'valid' point in his eyes, and then slowly his posts derailed the thread until he was personally assaulting anyone who made a valid point in the discussion or as a response. People like this have no place in any community, let alone a tight-knit one such as ours and I am glad to see him gone. SC2SEA Fighting!

On topic:
I believe that Naniwa should have had the respect for himself and his team to play through the game in a high scale tournament in which he was selected to play in based on his skills as a player. His lack of enthusiasm about the final game perhaps enforces the fact that he is not entirely ready to be a professional of his 'art' and has yet to learn how to control his emotions if he wants to compete with the best of the best. On the other hand, I think the response to his game was a complete overreaction, however it is completely understandable in my eyes.

Paroxysm

ROFL. Get the **** out and hit puberty you stupid kid.

Something I forgot to mention before, but someone also did mention was that it is infact a "GLOBAL" league, not KSL... GSL.
Stupid people are stupid.

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:	You are no longer welcome on these forums. Please stop wasting our time.
	FaDeBadger:	Banned once, banned again. See ya!
	Paroxysm:	Ruining the good community we have.
	SLCN.NXZ:	This guy isn't even arguing against you and you go off at him what is wrong with you?
	ZC.EvilSWAT:	Poor kid doesn't know what he's talking about.

[ROOTPetraeus]

Can you feel the justice

[Paroxysm]

Puberty was hit a long time ago for me, which is one of the reasons I am mature enough to realise that your actions are not only unnecessary, but also unwanted in this community. The fact that you use abuse to try and fuel hatred in a generally easygoing community is disgusting, and quite frankly you need to have a think about what you're doing and grow up. I'm sure the admins will rid us of your presence, but I doubt that will teach you anything.

Enjoy your ban.

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	ROOTPetraeus:	Sick own.
	nirvAnA:	yay! byebye zan, yet again lol
	Nemo:	Calm and educational.

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Enjoy your ban.

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

quite frankly you need to have a think about what you're doing and grow up

My sentiments exactly.

[MazEi]

So with him gone can we go back to talking about the what this thread's title actually is which is State of the Game?

I can't wait for next year, gonna try to watch every episode if possible =D