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View Poll Results: sc2sea.com Tee Shirt Design Finals! (Multiple Selection allowed)
Design #1 - Aean 7 7.69%
Design #2 - ChickN 4 4.40%
Design #3 - Matthras 1 1.10%
Design #4 - Skybreaker 4 4.40%
Designs #5 - Doctor 27 29.67%
Designs #6 - Scarlet 19 20.88%
Designs #7 - Welshy 57 62.64%
Design #8 - TBD. YOU? 0 0%
Design #9 TBD. YOU? 1 1.10%
I plan to buy a Tee Shirt but not any of these and will wait for better designs! 5 5.49%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Unread Sun, 14th-Aug-2011, 11:50 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: aLtnirvAnA.951  BattleTag: nirvAnA#1429  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 4,857 # 1
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SC2SEA Official Tee Shirt Finals!!

We have now entered final week of the tee shirt design contest. Based on the comments and responses on our contest thread, I have short-listed the following tee shirts. Please vote for the Tee-Shirt design you like the most, not because they were made by your friends or clan mates, but only because it looks the best to you and you can see yourself wearing it! Ignore the tee/polo/hoodies aspect, as the design can be applied to any type of tee so just look at the actual design on them.

The winning Tee will definitely be further improved and revised so just vote to the closet design you like and leave a comment on what you want to see improved. For e.g
  • the sc2sea colors can be easily changed
  • logos / font you like from other designs can be added to a main one

Since its a community project, I hope you guys pool your talents together to make the best design (so feel free to borrow ideas/logos from each other, etc just mention it) and if thats the case I certainly don't mind shipping 2-3 tees out to those designers who have helped towards the final design and not just the final winner. If none of the designs appeal to you let us know too and the contest may be extended. Better to have a great quality product then a not so good but rushed one.

Anyway on to the tee shirts!!!

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Entry #8, 9 ... YOU?
We have two spots for last minute designs which can still be added in the original thread here and if it makes the cut it will be added here.

Let the voting begin!
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 12:07 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: aLtnirvAnA.951  BattleTag: nirvAnA#1429  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 4,857 # 2
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For me I voted for Welshy, I love this simple and clean design. Second favourite would be Doctors followed by Scarlets.

Welshy could you try putting SC2SEA.COM instead of starcraft2sea in the center? So in the left sleeve there would be nothing and on the right it will be flag/gametag!
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 1:08 AM Who's Who:   Race: Clan: iRL  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 1,494 # 3
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Since I have some spare time, just a brief one liner feedback for each design

Entry #1 by Aean
Don't like the cartooney sc2sea font. The random words concept is good though.

Entry #2 by ChickN
Not a fan of the cartoon anime feel, just my personal preference though.

Entry #3 by Matthras
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Entry #4 "Don't Hate the 4 gate" by skybreaker
Love the font, nice concept too, but i prob wont get cos i'm zerg But once again, cartooney font


Entry #5 "by Doctor
I like every design, but is it possible not to have all 3 races in the 'main logo' and just have 1 (customized according to what each person wants)?


Entry #6 by TAsCarLet
Don't like cartooney font, nor having every country's flags. I like the idea of the watermarked-looking race insignia though.


Entry #7 by Welshy

Oh my, that's a very clever design. Normally I would be against having all 3 races on one 'logo' thing, but you did it subtlely so it doesn't look too excessive.
The big logo could be shrank to a smaller one and put just to the left side, and then have the big version at the back.

I like Doctor and Welshy's designs the most, as I'm biased against cartooney anime font.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 1:27 AM Race: Location: Indonesia  Total Posts Made: 388 # 4
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Since I have some spare time, just a brief one liner feedback for each design

Entry #5 "by Doctor
I like every design, but is it possible not to have all 3 races in the 'main logo' and just have 1 (customized according to what each person wants)?

I like Doctor and Welshy's designs the most, as I'm biased against cartooney anime font.
Hey Crazerk , yeah i can do that , but because i ask nirvana and he said that it's better a universal one so that can order for ready stock , that's why i choose to design like that.

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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 1:23 AM BnetId: NextRim.158  BattleTag: NextRim#2260  Race: Clan: Team MN8  Location: Russia  Total Posts Made: 560 # 5
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Vote Doctor! Brutal, manly and heartless. Looking forward to the protoss version of first dark grey terran shirt. I love this idea of huge race print on the side. Also, can you try and maybe use silouhettes of some units? Put part of kerrigan, or a siege tank, or something instead of the big terran sign.

#1 - Aean - random phrases are very cool idea, loved the forcefields. Colors are very good too.
#2 - Chickn - very cartoonish, doesn't convey the brutal manhood of starcraft.
#3 - Matthras - looks like something thrown together in pain in 10 secs. Needs more work, imho.
#4 - skybreaker - have to work on fonts. sc2sea logo and main text fonts don't match. Otherwise, decent idea. Probably needs a long list of sc2 memos for customization
#6 - TAScarlet - needs re-coloring. And fading sc2sea logo is bad.
#7 - Welshy - awesome font and colors. Could use some more sc2-related stuff though.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 1:30 AM Race: Location: Indonesia  Total Posts Made: 388 # 6
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Vote Doctor! Brutal, manly and heartless. Looking forward to the protoss version of first dark grey terran shirt. I love this idea of huge race print on the side. Also, can you try and maybe use silouhettes of some units? Put part of kerrigan, or a siege tank, or something instead of the big terran sign.
Hello Next_rim , sure sure i can use another unit's silouhettes as requested , but for more universal iconic for starcraft2 , i stick with the first released original Starcraft 2 Logos.
But if i win this , and need to customize a few things , i don't mind.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 2:02 AM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,638 # 7
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 7:26 AM Who's Who:   BnetId: TAMiLes.787  Race: Clan: TA  Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,168 # 8
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The three shirts I'd actually think about buying:

1. ChickN's shirt: Just looks like a really good standard sc2sea shirt, as it follows the same style as the banner, although it doesn't have the .com on it... Also, a lot of people say they don't like the cartoony font, so some people might not actually want to buy this one.

2. Skybreaker's shirt: Good idea and font, looks like a cool extra shirt for protoss users, not the main sc2sea.com shirt though ;P

3. Welshy's shirt: I think we can all agree its made of win. Everyone else has been trying to implement all the race logos AND make it look good. Welshy was the only one who achieved both of these goals at once, so he should be the winner.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 9:15 AM BnetId: SkyBreaker.895  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 431 # 11
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Voted for Welshy's design, looks awesome! Only suggestion I would add would be lowering the image on the front so it's not sitting directly under/touching the collar of the shirt ^^;
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 9:22 AM Who's Who:   Race: Clan: eCKo  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 750 # 12
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Voted for Welshy's design, looks awesome! Only suggestion I would add would be lowering the image on the front so it's not sitting directly under/touching the collar of the shirt ^^;
I agree with this, the image shows the collar as being really low though, I think its more a problem of the shirt's positioning rather than the image's.
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Welshy's design looks awesome.
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I really like Welshy's and TAScarlet's!
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 12:20 PM BnetId: Cyanide.751  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 681 # 16
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Welshy's, but the country's logo is a bit tacky imo opinion. Overall design is clean and simple without being too overcrowded. Which was pretty much what I had in mind.

Would like to see a unified SEA Logo instead of countries on the sleeve though. I think it enhances the unifying aspect of the SC2SEA community better.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 12:40 PM BnetId: wTlzq.495  Race: Clan: wT  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 207 # 17
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welshy's design is awesome, but i am from singapore and i wouldn't like to wear a aus flag on my shirt... no offense though. i would buy if its removable
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welshy's design is awesome, but i am from singapore and i wouldn't like to wear a aus flag on my shirt... no offense though. i would buy if its removable
Note how the other arm says "gametag". It can be assumed that this can be changed to your username, as well as the flag changed depending on where you're from. Its not like sc2sea shirts would have an aussie flag on every shirt, sc2sea isn't an exclusively sc2sea based website ;P
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 1:03 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: JacziE.850  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 287 # 19
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I want welshy's one in grey pls!
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Yeah! Agreed with ziE on this! I loved the first drafts of Welshy's design in grey. I think it'd be better than a red background. Also, could the flag be colored in? As in like a actual flag on there with it's original colors? It'd probably stand out better than a 2 color tone to it!
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 2:35 PM BnetId: sKyAU.570  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 461 # 21
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 3:28 PM BnetId: ToRWelshy.946  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Victoria, Australia  Total Posts Made: 158 # 22
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thanks everyone for the feed back, really do appreciate it
have tried to make it a bit smaller and lower on the shirt, redid the artwork to have the .com, coloured in the flag, not sure if the background of it was wanted, let me know

@Cyanide , I am really liking that idea, would you happen to know where i can find a list of all countires in SEA? might see if I can come up with something before I have my exams
@Izg , I have only just put the Australian flag there because it was the first flag to come to mind, at the moment its just to show positioning will work on making some more flags.

lolfail, forgot to link pictures xD
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if there is any other colours others would like me to experiment with, feel free to tell me

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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 3:33 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: frayHuT.483  Race: Clan: aLt  Location: Australia  Total Posts Made: 536 # 23
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Quite keen on Doctors if you could have your username underneath the race symbol on the back.
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 5:15 PM BnetId: Primex.740  Race: Location: TAS, Australia  Total Posts Made: 63 # 24
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Wow I really like Welshy's design, all of the race logo's go really well together. ;D
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 6:00 PM BnetId: PhoenixA  Race: Clan: pX  Location: Newcastle Australia  Total Posts Made: 277 # 25
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how much will they cost?
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 6:08 PM Who's Who:   Race: Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,638 # 26
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I would like to know this too.

Welshy's shirt is gonna win, and it should too cause it's sex. That said:

I would like to order mine in grey! Gamertag = Maynarde, Flag = Australia

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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 7:26 PM BnetId: VBPotthead.898  Race: Clan: VB  Location: South Australia  Total Posts Made: 787 # 27
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Welshy can you try Black with purple text and picture? VBPotthead on sleeve and Aus flag
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 7:35 PM BnetId: TAminimat.828  Race: Clan: TA  Total Posts Made: 706 # 28
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Great design welshy, rather the original one though. GL
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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 8:06 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: BakaInu.974  Race: Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 312 # 29
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If only SkyBreaker's design is a zergling instead of a zealot.

I would so buy it in a heartbeat. I demand race t-shirts with SkyBreaker design! :P

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Unread Mon, 15th-Aug-2011, 8:11 PM BnetId: elimzkE.250  Race: Clan: FvR  Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 157 # 30
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I would definitely buy one of Welshy's design. But I agree with the motion of replacing the Australian flag with the SC2SEA logo.
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ok pott, http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...elsh/pottf.png
gave it a quick try :P
and what is the sc2sea logo exactly? is it te seahorse?
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ok pott, http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...elsh/pottf.png
gave it a quick try :P
and what is the sc2sea logo exactly? is it te seahorse?
asdfghjkl 333333333333333333333333 I'll take one of these and the blue one,
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i love doctor's design. i also chose welshy's and scarlets because they are more than worthy mentions.
if doctor's could be in a Polo-T as well it will hands down be the winnar.
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i love doctor's design. i also chose welshy's and scarlets because they are more than worthy mentions.
if doctor's could be in a Polo-T as well it will hands down be the winnar.
Actually it's quite possible to be Polo-T
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I wasnt a fan of Welshy's in the original post, but the subsequent designs have turned me. having a shirt with your name customised would be pretty fantastic... Volition on the side would be great. Also if flags were customisable would be great, but i understand the more options the harder it is to get. price wise i am pretty easy. for a custom tshirt like that up to like $35 would be ok. If it was any more than that you are looking at a tipping point where you wont sell that many

As for the logo... surely something can be done on the back at the bottom. simple shirt designs are the best. Either way, good job you creative types
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get rid of the z/t/p logo on the shirt and replace it with one of those kingfish you caught welsh and you got yourself a deal.
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As for the cost price it is most certainly NOT going to exceed $20, don't worry! (not including shipping)

Already in the process of sourcing a good supplier with a focus on good quality comfortable tees. Did some queries and name customization will not cost more than $2.

It will be something like AUD $16.90 generic, +$2 custom which sounds reasonable imo, I will still continue searching to see if i can find a better price/quality and I will be ordering at least 100pcs.

Welshy your designs are looking more and more awesome Check your PM!
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@Nirvana: is it possible to get slightly longer sleeves? cause some t-shirts hv slightly shorter sleeves to what I'm used too :/
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@Nirvana: is it possible to get slightly longer sleeves? cause some t-shirts hv slightly shorter sleeves to what I'm used too :/
sif, gotta have the sleeves abnormally short to show off the big cannons

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sif, gotta have the sleeves abnormally short to show off the big cannons
My thoughts exactly, I gotta show off my weaponry brah.
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will be posting the exact dimensions for the tee shirts we are ordering. its gonna be the usual tee shirt length the mainstream uses, so dont worry about the short sleeves unless you want like an extra longer sleeve than usual then we might have a problem.
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I'm losing it... *sad face*
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But btw , welshy's design is good though , universal and the placement is better than others' design imo , and the blue and gray one looks fantastic XD
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Haha, I really like http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...elsh/pottf.png
for that zerg feel.

How about that (purple) for zergs, yellow font for protoss and red font for Terran. I think we can all agree those are the colors for the respective races?

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Haha, I really like http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/r...elsh/pottf.png
for that zerg feel.

How about that (purple) for zergs, yellow font for protoss and red font for Terran. I think we can all agree those are the colors for the respective races?

NO! I want purple and I play terran, and this shirt is mine
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Definitely liking Welshy's, particularly the version with "sc2sea.com" instead of "starcraft2sea".

For me, a lot of the other designs suffer for their use of the font/characters from the website banner. They're ok for the site, but too cutesy for me to want to wear them on a t-shirt I'm afraid.
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Definitely liking Welshy's, particularly the version with "sc2sea.com" instead of "starcraft2sea".

For me, a lot of the other designs suffer for their use of the font/characters from the website banner. They're ok for the site, but too cutesy for me to want to wear them on a t-shirt I'm afraid.
Yeah, I prefer the sc2sea.com version instead of starcraft2sea version as well.
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I like Welshy's (#7) But even then i wouldn't mind seeing some different ones. Because I'm fussy like that =D
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Doctor's design rox
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how long left before voting ends?

(The designs look great! Like Scarlets!)
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The Tee-shirt contest is over.

#1 Welshy
#2 Doctor
#3 TAsCarLet

By popular vote Welshy has been decided as the winner.

Special mention to Runner-Up Doctor for his great designs and to TAsCarLet as well, a favourite of mOOnGLaDes even! Thanks to all participants for taking the time to create the designs. For Doctor and sCarLet I don't wish for your designs to go to waste and if i can look into incorporating some of them into our headers or banners in some part of the site I will!

You can view the final design discussion here.
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2103

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They look all great ! I voted Welshy too but that was a hard choice. Too bad I cannot get one ...
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Yeah, hopefully Doctor + TAsCarLet's designed can be used later on.

TAsCarLet's is perfect for a polo/shirt imo.

Congrats Welshy, nice work!
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wow! thankyou to everyone that voted for me !! i really do appreciate it
I really did not think I would win as I thought Doctor and Scarlet had the superior designs, am so shocked lol, thankyou again everyone
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