[nGenLight]

I do less than 0.01% of what you do and I criticize so harshly, which is a pretty rude thing to do. Sorry. I know your intentions are in the best interest of the community. It's easy to sit on the sidelanes, critize and take the great things for granted, and I always forget that. I always feel bad afterwards after remembering the work you guys put in, I do appreciate you guys alot.

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P.S: I think of what I'm gonna write in my post whilst I'm getting iT on, I think I have an issue.

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	FaDeBadger:	We still love you
	syfChadMann:	So manner! :)
	dippa:	i too approve of thoughts about gaming forums while mid-coitus

[nirvAnA]

I just wanna talk about this particular point

"(2) Continued SC2SEA.com activity across 2-3 seasons"

A lot of SEA residents do not even use this forum actively in the first place. They just like to "lurk" so to be fair to these guys the "non-sea" players shouldn't be punished for this, although it certainly HELPS ALOT if they are active on sc2sea.com. I guess what i'm saying is it shouldn't be a requirement but it can be one of the good indications of activity. Another measurement of activeness might be if people are familiar with them like how everyone knows Soulman etc cause he ladders so much and is active in our tournaments. And clearly alot of SPR guys hang out together and chat / idle with each other on SEA but stuff like that is so hard to measure.

Anyway thanks for sharing that light I know you always have good intentions at heart that's why you're an MVP and I hope to see more of that Mr. Manner Protoss Hero around!

Edit: Opps I should have read all of it was just skimming through the posts lol

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nGenLight:

I meant either of the three components Bryan, one or the other or both or thrice it doesn't matter.

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

imo... Set the requirements to SEA Residence status and be done with it. This means, people like TargA and Frogmite, can play as they spend the majority of their time living in Australia or Singapore (respectively).

Then, in extreme cases, allow people with exceptional community involvement the privilege of participation, such as everyone's favourite French resident, Nemo. Someone that HAS don't alot for this community. I don't understand why people can't accept the non-SEA eligibility. This whole event is a SEA event, to build the SEA scene and SEA players.Not Koreans. No offence, I love the fact that Korean's are challenging the SEA ladder and giving SEA players high quality opposition. But this event, in my opinion, is for SEA.

This would solve all the issues about 100 games? 200 games? no, come and LIVE in SEA.
Blunt I know, and probably not a popular opinion, but this league is about SEA. Plus the debate can end, the players are not on the SPR roster, and the rosters are closed for this season.

Im with Chad here.

Anyone remember this lineup and how everyone disagreed with it? How many of the debated players are offically included in the line up now?

SoongheeSPR
SunginSPR
MasterSPR
BalloonSPR
RyoomakSPR
FrapzSPR
Rapz
Hana
taeJa
MaSteR
SoulmanSPR
GGist

And Edge's post right here. http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=56928&postcount=8

These Zenith guys have 3 clans afaik. One on their home server KR, NA and then now SPR. I know these becos one of the NA clan LG whom Bomba and some other zenith players participated in Clan wars tried to recruit me. Now im gonna assume most of the rest have their own clans on the KR server as well if not NA too. Some of these clans/teams claim to be ''Pro'' too, like the one soulman just joined btw. So the definition of not being on a 'KR Pro' team is very vague here.

So with the possiblity of incurring wrath, im gonna suggest the SEACL to be a 'SEA residents' only tournament. Why? Because this debate will never cease and new tournaments/Koreans will come along and it just goes on in cycles.

Yes while i agree that having these Koreans will raise the standard of play, but its foolish to think that they will increase ur viewership. If u want a tournament that has Koreans boosting ur viewership, call it the Clan League, not SEACL. Just like Dox cup 2, u can invite players + have an open bracket for sea players. And its not like every top SEA player doesnt have a KR account if they wanna have exposure and improve by playing with the korean players.

Can u guys imagine how stupid it is if i just get a random Korean GM to play some(100) games and then make a few post for him on sc2sea? Im not saying other SPR members are posting for them, im just saying its weird cos their english was never that good when talking to me in-game.

What happened to this being SEA's CL? I dont even know why SPR need these players. With players like Soulman, iSt, Soonghee and Sungin. Surely they have the talent to compete with the best of SEA? And how the hell am i suppose to know who is gonna play on Master's account cos thats like a clan shared account IIRC?

PS: This is solely my personal unbiased view. Not only am i good friends with Frogmite and Bryan, i also loves to play against these Koreans on ladder. However, this just isnt right for me.

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Zealo:

[foxmeep]

100 wins or 100 games? You can ladder 100 games in 2 days, no sweat. The criteria should be based on what would classify someone as ACTIVE in the community.

My suggestion would be x number of games in the previous AND x number of games in the current season (pro rata depending on how far in). This would stop people simply grinding out sufficient games when they decide they want to join an upcoming tournament.

Edit: Though really, the best solution is to simply run tournaments on SEA (anyone with a SEA account can join), and for SEA (anyone with residency in a SEA country can join)

[Nemo]

If they want to play, they must play drunkcraft, even if calling from the Moon. Period.

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Frogmite:

You really have a microphone problem nemo <3

[NvJazBas]

imo just see how the thing goes. Like, if BalloonSPR becomes inactive(without a good reason) from SEA and shows no interest in future SEA events or community events(some even without prize pool such as race wars or KOTH that happened some time ago) after this SEACL, then we can say "BalloonSPR only played 100ladder games quickly just to participate and get money from SEACL".

But if he actually is still active on SEA and our community, (which also helps in promoting our region too imo) we can say "BalloonSPR played 100 ladder games so quickly because he was so passionate to join our community".

IMO

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

imo just see how the thing goes. Like, if BalloonSPR becomes inactive(without a good reason) from SEA and shows no interest in future SEA events or community events(some even without prize pool such as race wars or KOTH that happened some time ago) after this SEACL, then we can say "BalloonSPR only played 100ladder games quickly just to participate and get money from SEACL".

But if he actually is still active on SEA and our community, (which also helps in promoting our region too imo) we can say "BalloonSPR played 100 ladder games so quickly because he was so passionate to join our community".

IMO

Obviously this is what is going to happen this season since the ruling is final. As I have said, we should rule based on their previous commitment rather than "interest" or "potential commitment". All foreigners has the potential to join SEA tournies for one shot, without commitment, if this is the rule that we will set.

[dippa]

either force it so comps are SEA residents only or require other participants to have showed a consistent level of activity in the SEA scene over the last three seasons (so s3, s4 and s5 would be valid in this case).

level of activity could be defined by an mixture of x amount of ladder games (150-200), participation in x number of open tournaments (community opens should be open to all for this reason, otherwise there is no actual way to "prove" your activity beyond ******* about on ladder) and some credits for contributions towards the forums.

(just an idea, ofc)

(also, i miss you ray ray)

[Dox]

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

[AxSGRiM]

with moonglade as final boss

[dippa]

Originally Posted by Dox

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

settle down icarus

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by Dox

After tonight's Masters Cup results?

BRING ON THE WORLD.

Who would have thought after so much negativity about Korean's they could ever be beaten.

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	EveMassacrisM:	Dont like the tone of this.
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[Strafe]

I just bumped into this thread and I skimmed through, so I apologize if I repeat a thing or two that someone already posted.

Personally I feel that SEA is a somewhat unique server compared to all others. Reason being that the general skill level on SEA is a lot lower than KR/NA/EU and most of the SEA residents cannot play on those other servers due to latency issues. Therefore some of us are limited to competition on this server only. When foreigners invade to scoop some easy to be won tournaments that can be frustrating.

However if you are in favor of stronger competition it seems counter intuitive to ban strong players from tournaments, because they are too strong. In fact we should welcome stronger players on the server in general.

You can achieve higher skill levels on SEA by forcing strong Korean players to be active on our servers. This will greatly help players from SEA to get practice vs players a lot stronger than themselves, which they otherwise would never be able to play. So when we force Koreans to play at least 500 or even a thousand ladder games before they can enter the tournament we actually increased the skill level on our ladder and therefore of our players and at the same time we prevented Koreans from coming in and scooping 'our' only chance of competing with each other in tournaments for $$$.

If you think 1000 games is a lot than you must think again. I played 1600 ladder games last season alone and MKP is said to play 3k-4k ladder games per season. Also these Koreans that are really good easily get this number. I know it seems like a high number, but you must realize we want these players to contribute to our competition on the ladder.

So I feel we should even invite Koreans for our tournaments and encourage them to become active on our ladder. This will make us SEA players stronger and eventually boost stronger players we can send to competition internationally. Just my 2 cents.

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nirvAnA:

1600 ladder games strafe you are a beast!!!