[TidaL]

let them play

Quick Comments

deL:

Well presented argument.

[aLtShortizz]

I just realised that i didnt vote the last time round.

Anyways, i agree with PiG here. If all our tournaments are won by Koreans who doesnt even speak english much less communicate with our players, then im pretty sure everyone would lose interest in tournaments pretty soon.

The idea of the SEA Server being a playground for C-Team Koreans and our prize winnings going to them just doesnt sit right with me. While i really like playing against them, i dont see how they are so different from when Major used a SEA acc to try playing. And like Del said, at least that provided a few good Lols.

[AZKziek]

Originally Posted by Benji

Community is such a vague word, Half the people that sign up don't even post on the forums. Should they be barred from entering as well?

Depends on how you define "community". People who use the forums? People who are active on ladder? People who play on SEA primarily? People who live in SEA countries?
It's upto the event host I guess.

[covetousrat]

Do you want SEA players to stay in the Bronze age forever? It is definitely time for SEA players to play against the big boys to prove ourselves. Without playing at the highest level, SEA will just be another dead server.

urvcovetous
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[nirvAnA]

Verdict:

I've been paying close attention to this thread over the last couple of days and have finally reached a verdict. Based on the poll results and consideration of the posts in this thread as well as discussion with mods, I have decided on the following rules regarding participation in ours COs. Basically its the "foreigners are welcome in our CO if they are part of the SEA community" rule.

1. All SEA/ANZ citizens whether residing in SEA/ANZ and whether active or not on the SEA ladder are welcome to join. This is our privilege! (e.g tgun, kowi, Azz)
2. "Foreigners" will be allowed to join IF they are residing in SEA/ANZ or plan to for a reasonable time frame (e.g Targa - Norwegian University student in Melbourne, nGenBaron - Chinese national student in Singapore)
3. Lastly if the player has not passed one of the first two conditions, an exception can be made if the player is "part of the community." This player has to have played over 120 ladder games on his account for the current season.
4. As of now there will be no restriction for consecutive winners.

It's hard to define "part of the community." In this instance I refer to the SEA community and not the sc2sea community. Although the sc2sea community are the only reason why these tournaments are sponsored and even happen in the first place, there are tons of SEA players who don't participate much in the forums here and are still allowed join all our tournaments so I don't see how it should be any different as long as they are part of the SEA community. Perhaps for our special events like the upcoming race wars - invites would be given to the more active and vocal members of the sc2sea community. e.g edge pig light pinder hut iaguz. Still uncertain.

"Part of the SEA community" will be defined as playing at least 120 ladder games per season on our servers. This number of games needed will be increased as the season goes on. So if they want to play in our community tournaments they HAVE to be active in our community. This is to deter the "doomsday" scenario PiG is talking about where Koreans simply log in to SEA to take our monies, wimmin and children. At the same time Koreans who actively play on our ladders regularly help improve the standard and push our players to improve. I do not want to discourage this as I feel the standard of our ladder has already improved with one dragon flying around and everyone trying their best to snipe him, but end up committing snipeacide. Still, they try their best and improve.

Smurfing - Of course if some choose to smurf on someone else's account to circumvent the rule they will simply be not given any prize money should they win. If they are caught for e.g getting someone else to maintain their minimum number of games that counts as smurfing and both parties just get banned.

How does this affect certain players?

SlayerSDragon (NyangKoSenSe) - Allowed to play in our CO, has the minimum ladder games.
SoulmanfOu (master) - Allowed to play in our CO, has the minimum ladder games.
ST_KingKong (gts/ychspr) - Not allowed to play in our CO, he has been PMed about this new rule. I welcome his participation if he becomes part of our SEA community by laddering more and meeting the requirement rather than just hopping on every Wednesday for our CO.
Major - Don't know why he was even brought up, his incident was unrelated as he was breaking specific rules. Major is welcome to play in the CO if he starts laddering actively on SEA and has over 120 ladder games. I don't see that ever happening tho

Summary

Many of the top SEA players are naturally very competitive and welcome the challenge. They appear to be passionate about uping their game and defeating them and I do not wish to deny them this opportunity. And as many have mentioned these players are not unbeatable and the skill gap isn't that wide. Just a while ago YoonYJ beat GTS 5-0 or so in customs and then went on to beat him again in round 1 of the CO.

The opinions of the donators were also extremely important in this. I guess what many of the donators, voters and spectators want to see is how the best of SEA measure up against these players and the exciting matches they produce. The foreign dynamic not only improves the standard of our play, but gives us more reason to cheer our players and more exciting matches to watch. This is why only 5% of the people in the pool voted strictly against letting any foreigners play. As this is what most players, spectators/fans and donators want and is basically what the community wants, this is what will be done.

Lastly, as of now this verdict only affects the COs. These rules may also be updated at any time should I feel it necessary, for e.g if doomsday actually happens and 20 Korean "C teamers" participate in our COs every week and we stand 0% chance then I could care less about being "bitter" i'll just change the rules and lmao for playing 120 games on our server k thx bye.

- nirvAnA

Quick Comments

	ToRPandarine:	I guess this will work..would've like to see maybe the cap but the 120 games req is good enuff i guess :) good call
	deL:	120 games is what they play in a lunch break in Korea ;(
	PiG:
	pikk0n:	Good apart from the fact that major is able to join us? BAN HIM!!! RAGE!!!!!!!!!! We all hate him!
	Cordance:	Sounds solid and thought out. The numbers may need some tweeking on games we shall see.

[AZKziek]

Hallelujah!

[pikk0n]

Originally Posted by TAdeL

I wish I was zerg, then I might win a game. Nah White-Ra is a champ I only troll retards, I am actually pretty hurt you compare my trolling to Ciara's snotty BM.

LOL! Would you feel better if I say I don't know who Ciara is?

*looks back to make sure that Ciara isn't sneaking up with a knife to stab me*

So you're protoss.... The whole time I thought you were zerg. LOL! My bad.

[Azure]

I agree let them play.
I usually see the same names at the top each week.
Now they will need to work for it creating more competition on SEA

[dippa]

why would you even allow major to play after the gigantic cockslapping he gave to the entire SEA community?

you don't let someone shit all over your house for free. oh wait, that's exactly what we're doing.

the douchebag should be banned for life. he doesn't get anything out of our CO's that he can't get elsewhere and he isn't a positive influence on the planet, let alone any starcraft scene he happens to hover in.

as for the hoops that koreans have to jump through: utterly, utterly ridiculous. i think it'd be a far more measured response to react IF this absurd doomsday scenario ever eventuates, rather than creating a set of unknown consequences - like warding off extremely talented players who could teach players a thing or two - by acting ahead of time.

from what i saw, more than two-thirds of those voted to allow koreans to play unhindered. i didn't see any option to vote for these bizarre restrictions. its your tournament though, so do what you like. i just hope that koreans aren't put off from competing by these silly rules.

edit: would just like to point out that i am already lubed up for any butthurt koreans wish to deliver. also, playing on the korean/tw server is awesome, everyone should get an account

[NvRossi]

pretty happy with that response nirvana.


i still am pretty against them playing in our tournies and facepalm at the argument that we improve from having them in our tournaments.

[nirvAnA]

yeap actually the rules above will stand with one minor adjustment with that being major being banned from all our tournaments for at least the next 6 months. thanks for the feedback.

[dippa]

i wish it was for life, but at least its something. boobs for nirvana!