[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by TAminimat

And what if a gold all kills? It means that team has better players, this rule is stupid. If you are going to make a rule like that make it what whiplash suggested.

Yeah you're right, we should should just make it GCL instead of BSGCL. Cause golds are better, shinier league icon and all.

No. It's BSG ClanLeague. I want Bronzes to play as well as Silvers, and I'm sure that Bronze players want to play as well. I don't want to see all Gold teams, because the level of play isn't what's important here, it's everyone getting a go regardless of league (as long as you're Plat or under when you sign up). If this ends up being a problem for everyone and there really aren't that many Bronze players to go around then we'll revise the rule.

Until then, recruit more Bronze players. Recruit more Silver players. Again, if this is too much of an issue the rule may be revised. So everyone with a problem please untwist your knickers, we just want to run a fair and fun tournament here.

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	Uglymutt:	Agreed
	Synizta:
	TAminimat:	When did i say make it gcl? i said to do what whiplash suggested

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Unfortunately when we recruit bronzes (and they're active enough to be playing in tournaments), they tend to promote. The only result is that it discourages our lower players from laddering.

We aren't going to recruit bronzes asap just to participate in a tournament, they have to go through our process which tbh takes on average a month.

[Synizta]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

Unfortunately when we recruit bronzes (and they're active enough to be playing in tournaments), they tend to promote. The only result is that it discourages our lower players from laddering.

We aren't going to recruit bronzes asap just to participate in a tournament, they have to go through our process which tbh takes on average a month.

I'll have to bring this up with Edarus and Maynarde first, but i THINK if a player is signed up as bronze and they get promoted, they're still considered bronze for the reason of BSGCL.

But as i said i will have to check with Edarus and Maynarde if that's the case, before i say that is actually how it works.

I will post on this thread later after i've checked.

[BlackWidow]

Although I agree its a silly rule, the tournament does seem kinda pointless if some measure isn't implement to encourage us lower level players to play.

Might as well just be Gold ClanLeague otherwise...

Just mo

[Maynarde]

Minimat and Whiplash, I understand that it can be hard to find Bronze players as I posted earlier today. They're either promoted quickly from being active or aren't active and don't want to compete. The admins and I will talk about revising it, Whiplash's idea is not bad.

Minimat I apologize when I read "what if a gold player all kills" I thought you were saying we should allow pure gold teams again. It's been a long week!

[VB_WhiplashJC]

I do agree with you that last season where it was mostly golds (really plats, and if you check people from last season there's a few diamonds) playing wasn't in the spirit of the thing.

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

Bronze then silver is a bit harsh. We only have one bronze player who is in a position to play - if he can't make it or gets promoted then we're boned.

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Rule changes from last season:
1. Play Nights:
The default play night is going to be Thursday nights @ 8pm AEST but teams have until the following Wednesday to play their match if they can't make the default night.

Bronze player doesn't show? In the words of Professor Fransworth (Futurama) / Professor Putricide (World of Warcraft): "GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!" If they don't show, they have a WHOLE WEEK to show.

Guys before picking holes in the event, please ensure you have fully read and understood the original post.

Your witness!

Also as Syn stated, if the player was Bronze at signup they will be treated as such / counted as a Bronze for the team for the season.

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TAminimat:

We aren't picking holes in the event we are trying to make it better for everyone.

[VB_WhiplashJC]

Why be a dick about it? We all want the same thing. We aren't picking holes in the event, we just want it to be fair for every team. Please stop taking this as a personal attack.

Have a look at the lists for last season. 5/12 have one bronze player. Two have none at all.

So if those two teams manage to get a bronze player, then there will be 21 games where the managers have to schedule a time where both bronze players can make it (bronzes probably being the most inactive) and enough players for the rest of the teams.

Not everyone has a big, deep team. Not everyone has the same relaxed recruiting criteria. Look at our squad. Welshy is going to get a game some time, regardless of affirmative action rules, just like he did last season.

[Maynarde]

No one's being a dick on purpose here, no one is taking anything as a personal attack, so neither should anyone else. I appreciate the feedback from everyone, as does Synizta and Edarus cause we want this thing to be awesome. As I said earlier, if this is a problem for everyone it will be revised, Whiplash's suggestions are pretty good and make sense, but we only have a couple teams sign up so far.

I would personally like to give it a bit more time before we change the rule, but with 3 or 4 separate people concerned with the rule at this early stage it may warrant a poll. I'll look into that. Until then, everyone cool your jets. We all want the same thing.

EDIT: Poll is up.

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Frogmite:

That's why we all love BSGCL

[|Erasmus|]

I don't really like enforcing any order... All-kills are perfectly fine and part of the format.

Make them send a bronze and a silver at some point, or at least 2 non-gold players or whatever, but don't force them to do it first... :/ If they send a gold first to beat your bronze, send your own gold to snipe them... they've taken out a bronze, you've taken out a gold. advantage you

[souljah]

I think what the admins are trying to do here is to ensure that it is a BSg-Clan League instead of a Gold Clan league cos if you look at S1, not alot of the bronze and silvers got to play, it was mostly the Gold.

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	Synizta:	Indeed
	TAEdarus:	+1 coz someone gets it =)
	asdfSchnitzel:

[sRFullstop]

Wait, if the poll says first two must be Bronze/Silver, doesn't that mean that Bronzes still don't get to play because there could be 2 silvers?

[Maynarde]

Originally Posted by Fullstop

Wait, if the poll says first two must be Bronze/Silver, doesn't that mean that Bronzes still don't get to play because there could be 2 silvers?

Well it's going to be up to the team managers, but yeah essentially it means that you CAN send out 2 as your first players if you choose to instead of 1 + 1 or 2 . This idea came about because of some people (not just the ones in this thread) imploring that a lot Bronze players aren't very active / promoted fast / aren't interested.

We're trying to keep the majority happy here, it's a tournament for the community. What the community wants the community will get. If you're against the rule in the poll, vote against it. Also if you're a Bronze player who's active and excited about playing and reading this going "Wtf is Maynarde on about what an idiot I want to make sure I play" then vote!

[sRFullstop]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Well it's going to be up to the team managers, but yeah essentially it means that you CAN send out 2 as your first players if you choose to instead of 1 + 1 or 2 . This idea came about because of some people (not just the ones in this thread) imploring that a lot Bronze players aren't very active / promoted fast / aren't interested.

We're trying to keep the majority happy here, it's a tournament for the community. What the community wants the community will get. If you're against the rule in the poll, vote against it. Also if you're a Bronze player who's active and excited about playing and reading this going "Wtf is Maynarde on about what an idiot I want to make sure I play" then vote!

I think being able to send out two is actually a good idea, because if bronze people are not active, they will not want to play in the tournament, and if they are active they will learn fast and get promoted. It's not that I am against people playing but the thing is that if people are active they will promote fast

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VBSlayer:

[TAEdarus]

Originally Posted by VB_WhiplashJC

Why be a dick about it? We all want the same thing. We aren't picking holes in the event, we just want it to be fair for every team. Please stop taking this as a personal attack.

Have a look at the lists for last season. 5/12 have one bronze player. Two have none at all.

So if those two teams manage to get a bronze player, then there will be 21 games where the managers have to schedule a time where both bronze players can make it (bronzes probably being the most inactive) and enough players for the rest of the teams.

Not everyone has a big, deep team. Not everyone has the same relaxed recruiting criteria. Look at our squad. Welshy is going to get a game some time, regardless of affirmative action rules, just like he did last season.

Wasn't being a dick at all. I was saying, if you're having issues sorting out rostering times to suit your players that we accounted for that already by making the entire timing of the event more flexible for everyone, albeit at the disadvantage of the admins who will possibly have to be online adminning BSGCL events every night of the week - Ie if its something thats going to directly affect me as a player, admin captain AND manager I wouldn't have suggested it nor put it forward so lightly - hence the "see the play times for clarification" comment.

Sorry if that was misunderstood as rage.

We do realise not every team has a bronze player (i'm manager for TA, you'll note we don't have a lineup yet because I can't find us a Bronze, so I DO actually see the downside matey).

Our main, key goal in this whole rulemaking and changing was PURELY to ensure that everyone got a go, and we're trying our best to meet that. Hence the revision on lineups and team requirements, the anti-all-kill rule we planned to test the waters with, because as you said "we all want the same thing, we just want it to be fair for every team [and I add, every player / participant]".


With the poll now up, we shall review the results and much like the decision on the event format, it will come down to what the community wants because we arent 3x The Overmind, we're 3x Community Admins.

Peace Homies!

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VB_WhiplashJC:

[TAEdarus]

Looking at the results (now that I personally voted) it seems we will be going with teams opening their lineups with 2x Bronze/Silver players (ie, first two NOT Gold).

Its not the national elections so to mend fences so people don't think i'm a total inflexible d1ckhole, I actually voted for the thus-far winning option myself, because its a better idea which the three of us did not come up with.

SC2SEA COMMUNITY FTW - Helping Admins make sh1t better since, well, forever.

You Guys.

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Maynarde:

Well said mate.

[EXCL]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Well it's going to be up to the team managers, but yeah essentially it means that you CAN send out 2 as your first players if you choose to instead of 1 + 1 or 2 . This idea came about because of some people (not just the ones in this thread) imploring that a lot Bronze players aren't very active / promoted fast / aren't interested.

We're trying to keep the majority happy here, it's a tournament for the community. What the community wants the community will get. If you're against the rule in the poll, vote against it. Also if you're a Bronze player who's active and excited about playing and reading this going "Wtf is Maynarde on about what an idiot I want to make sure I play" then vote!

From the feeling I got from BSGCL season 1, team managers were trying to let every team member have a fair go. I met plenty of great guys (team managers) that encouraged bronzies and silvers to play just as much as the gold guys. Sure in the finals, and towards the end of a round if a team was getting beaten, clans best players were sent in (because everyone wants to win to a degree, right?).

BSGCL admins keep up the great work

p.s. I voted for 2 silver/bronze first as I personally think that is a good way to start.

[Theend]

so ..... who want me ?

[EXCL]

Originally Posted by Theend

so ..... who want me ?

go to the recruitment thread boi

[Aeon]

With the implementation of the new rules Team Kelvin's Army, the current bsgcl champions, are in need of some bronze and silver league players.
If you are interested in joining our team PM me your character code and name and i'll set up a quick tryout date.

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	Maynarde:	Awesome. Keep in mind if you can't find Bronze players, Silver is fine.
	TAEdarus:	Love the positive attitude, KA FTW!