[Stokez]

So I'm Currently in gold and I've just started to come up against platinum players fairly often but I'm really struggling to win matches against Zerg at the moment. I have attached to replays both in which I lost. I have been trying to do a 2 base timing push lately usually +2 Blink, Should I be doing another build or am just executing it poorly?

Thank you for your help in advance!

[SLCN.NXZ]

This should probably moved to the replay feedback thread to be honest. You'll get more in depth analysis there.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=202

[Tshu]

Replay 1
if you do the blink timing attack, you have place your twilight council down befor 6:40 if you wanna attack at around 10 minutes, this should be just before +2 attack finishes ^^

yours was at 9:40 so it was kind of late

you also kind of cut probes to make those additional 5 gates, so you were on 33 probes which is not optimal for the 2 base blink all in since you need at least 50 and cut probes around 54. Try making the gates after slightly after 7:20, besides all those gateways you used weren't fully utilised.

Replay 2:
Your twilight council timing was good but may of forgotten +2 on your forge
The lack of sentries and the fact you pushed slightly too early was another issue. This allowed time for the zerg to respond accordingly in this case he built lots of lings. Otherwise I think the 2nd one was executed quite well.

Hoped this helped :L

[Stokez]

Thanks man!

[Tshu]

glad I could help, what build do you go PvP/PvT

[Stokez]

pvt i usually go for like a 2 or 3 gate expand depending on what i scout
and for PvP I go gate robo gate gate or something along those lines

[mGGAequitas]

Replay 1:

basically your all in isn't very good, you had no economy to support those gateways
18 minutes into the game and you have 38 workers and starting your third base
focus on constantly making workers and chronoboosting them contiously as well

[TNSkywolve]

Hey dude,

Just to let you know..I'm a protoss player too.. ^-^

1. 1st of all you need to spend your chrono boost often..spend it on your nexus,gateway,cyber(warp gate research) the lower the energy of your nexus the better.. and do not stop probe production at all cost..1 probe queue per nexus always.. 26-30 probes per base..

2.I would recommend Forge fast expand at 20 supply..instead of 16..use the mineral to get a cannon up 1st..if you scout your opp to be expanding..1 cannon would suffice for the 6min early aggression(about 6 zergling can be made while he's expanding). If he's going for an early pool drop 2 cannons..your expand would then be at 22+ supply.(investing on some cannons can save you a lot of trouble)

3.Try going for 3 gate robo on 1 base..so if you expanded, its 6 gates 2 robo..get immortals b4 the 10 mins mark..zerg can make quite a number of roaches at that point.. also be sure to get observer to scout..get templar archives/dt shrine b4 14mins and get archons(for muta aggression) or robo bay asap for hydra aggression..

4.Take your 3rd expansion @ about 10 mins mark(if you are not pressured)..if you saturate your bases properly..your main base will run out of minerals @ about 20 mins mark..you cant support your 6 gate 2 robo this way..(your opp did this in your 1st replay)

5.Your army composition should consist of Immortals,stalkers zealots @ about 12min mark and beyond that time, you should either have colo or archon(dt or high templar depending on your preference )

6.Finally, End the game b4 25mins mark or preferably 18mins(my standard timing for PVZ)..should your go in to late game..get carriers/mothership(counter any mass ground units or mutas), make tons of colo/immortal(counter hydra or roach), max upgrade, mining on 3 or more base always.

Hope this helps ^-^
GL HF! CYA AROUND ! pm me if you like ^-^

[TNSkywolve]

[QUOTE=Tshu;86085=

I would think 2 robos would be unnecessary at this point and he is focusing on blink all ins on 2 base, all he needs to do is refine those mechanics before he worries about the minor things such as getting templer archives or dts at 14 minutes, he should focus on his macro first, without a good economy he can't do that and even if he could all that tech on 2 bases imo is kind of pushing it. Generally, I don't go late game against zerg if I can help it since infestor/broodlord is a powerful composition[/QUOTE]

hey dude..im just offering a suggestion..2 robo is my style its up to him to try it out or not.. I'm not the one who needs help..so quit making remarks on the people who SUGGEST.. I have no probs with ppl offering suggestions to me..but don't shut possibilities for people to experiment n have fun with it.. btw 2 robo coz i didnt go much on gateway units.. I also have no prob on eco(60 probes), just spend my resource wisely..

that said..I also agree on going dts @ 14 mins(against mutas)..anyway my PvZ usually ends 12-15mins, some stalkers is enough to pick of about 5-6 mutas That could come at that time..

once again MY SUGGESTIONS IS TO HELP FELLOW PLAYERS. IF YOU ARE A PRO DON'T QUOTE ME BUT INSTEAD OFFER YOUR SUGGESTIONS TO THE PERSON THAT NEEDS IT!

GL HF! ^-^

[nGenLight]

^ Holy crap this guy is more sensitive than me. The guy didn't even say anything bad...

And now, I will help everyone on PvZ because I'm a Protoss Hero:




.... just kidding, CBF at the moment, another day guys.

[Tshu]

No offense intended T.T, I'm bad with words

[Stokez]

Thanks for the help guys! ♥

[reDDevil]

I also struggle with the same thing, thanks for the advice guys.