[Stallion]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

Wait, there's no playoffs of tier 1?

Seriously?

Like not even a finals between top 2?

Wow.

isnt it frog cup?

[nirvAnA]

Yea top 4 go into frogcup thats basically the playoffs

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	NvPinder:	If there is the main prize going based on season results it isnt 'basically the playoffs'
	Stallion:	double prize is a good prize

[nirvAnA]

The prizes are both $300 for the league and $300 for frog cup its the same, read please

Frogmite informed team leaders about this over a month ago. and yea pinder heres some neg rep in return.

as to the playoff issue its not a matter of anyone wanting it, im fine with whatever people want, of course we will do what the sponsor wants, its his tournament!

The problem here is when we came up with the initial rules and I ran it past everyone in the per-tournament discussion threads we stated no play offs and nobody said anything. About half way into the season, we realized some teams were not aware of this playoff issue, so froggy pms all the team leaders and asked if they were ok with it or would rather change it to playoffs.

This is because changing the rules halfway though the season will be unfair to some teams (unless every team agreed) because at that moment xgking and mineski were are the top of the table by a bit. I voted to have playoffs too but it wasn't a unanimous vote from all the teams. In the end what frogmite decided to do is sponsor $300 out of his own pocket so we could have a form of playoffs.

What i dont understand is even after all of that there are people complaining. Basically prize pool was doubled and there are two tournament winners now - for those who wanted the playoffs and for those who didn't.

[TAriiChard]

It's not "basically the playoffs"... They don't play off for the $300... They get "invited" into a different tournament that has another $300 prize. I had a chat with JoFritz about this tournament not having playoffs and he had no idea about it and didn't seem too happy. He personally wanted playoff for his own tournament but it was you guys who decided against it. Everyone I talked to wanted playoffs for JoFritz's tournament.

[syfChadMann]

To be fair, While Pinder may have incorrectly expressed himself and the Neg rep wasn't required...

His statement has merit. The Frog cup is not a Play off series from SEAL Tier 1 - it is more an invitational event where top four finishes from SEAL are invited to participate. I understand his point - the winner of the SEAL will be decided in the main season, where as the 'play offs' are a separate event...

We all appreciate these events tho, nirv and Frog.. you guys are amazing! ^_^

EDIT: I believe it was too late to change the event format - how ever, if teams, admins and Mr JoFritz want to change the event to included the play offs - maybe combine the prizes and give placements to 2nd and 3rd?... Just an Idea..

But guys, remember the SEAL is developing - I didn't expect everything to go well in the first season of this new format.. but work with us, it will be great!!

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	TAminimat:	T5 doing things right ^^
	Nemo:	Wise !
	nirvAnA:	yea SEAL is developing! next season will only get better

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

The prizes are both $300 for the league and $300 for frog cup its the same, read please

Oh nevermind, if the separately run invite tournament has a similar prize pool, then that completely changes everything!

And way to do what you would call 'abusing' your own rep system by downrepping someone simply cos they downrepped you, lol.

Last post in this thread before you banhammer me for being surprised there's no playoffs and thus no exciting climax or real conclusion or anything to something that's been hyped to death for a long long time.

EDIT: out of curiosity, is the team who said "We don't want playoffs" willing to step forward so we can at least know who wanted to ruin the climax of the season for $300, lol.

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Stallion:

this cahnges eeeeeeevvvvvvvvvveeeeeerything ^_^

[nirvAnA]

People don't get banned for expressing surprise, they get banned for rudeness to admins. People don't get "banned for making rep comments", they get banned for inserting personal attacks into rep comments which they have be warned about many times before to bypass the infraction system. I don't want the site to become a place with people 24/7 bitching about shit or being rude to admins when they could have just said the same thing without the unnecessary sarcasm or rudeness. If people see this is allowed, noone will wanna be an admin its a thankless job as it is and when there are no admins there are no tournaments. Just last week PickleWeasel was temp banned for his rudeness to admins by frogmite, even though the case he argued turned out to be correct, because he was very rude about it. Let people get away with this and sooner or later this turns into the CS community. And it is all linked together, the site and tournaments are run by the same people we are not a multi-national conglomerate, if you wanna be participate in what we do just behave and you will never be banned.

And btw a lot of the stuff you say about Benji's casting where he tends to focus on the negative instead of positive in his casting can be applied to yourself too and the way you "critique". In every single tourney we run you are there criticizing it in a very negative fashion right from the get go to the finish line. Why not be positive about it or try to say the same thing in a nicer way? E.g "I felt the tourney would have been much better with playoffs. Right now something is missing that would have provided an exciting climax to the season". People will be more happy to accommodate requests when they are asked nicely as well as more more willing to listen and ensure the same doesn't happen in the future.

We have spent countless hours on league and and it isn't a nice feeling when at the end of all that all you can say is "no playoffs? seriously?!?!" instead of expressing appreciation for all the time and effort all the admins have put into running this. Or if you feel we aren't entitled to that at least express your opinion civilly without it being laced in sarcasm that would be a basic courtesy to show especially if you contribute nothing but harsh criticism every time.

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ToR.Arnor:

well said,

[Nemo]

It's better if we stop this incoming drama now and I ask everyone not participate in a brawl. The rules have been fixed by now and as Chad stated, it would be unfair for the future winner to change them now.

IMO, Frogmite has already fix that in investing his own money (if I'm not mistaken) so we have the "playoffs" without being unfair for the regular winner of the championship. I think Frog would not have created this Cup if there had been a playoff at the championship (IMO from what I have guesses, this engages only me).

For the next season, there will be a debate elsewhere (and civil too).

Riichard, please, don't add salt on this. If JoFritz want to say something about this, he will do it himself. And in fact he won't do this publicly because he doesn't want to make drama. He will discuss it directly with the organizers. I believe they have enough respect for him to listen carefully to his opinion.

Nirvana, please don't answer anymore on this particular subject "playoff or not", that's not the place and if there are moderation to do, Forgmite, Maynarde and Baka will deal with it, don't worry.

Guys we don't need that, please, let's all be wise and calm.

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	ROOTPetraeus:	nemo is a boss
	nirvAnA:

[deL]

I was under the impression from the start that Tier 1 (premier league) was to be the only tier with playoffs, and admins of lower leagues were free to take a poll and decide if they would run them too. When did this change?

[Nemo]

Pinder and Nirvana - really - stop to post on that now please.

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	ToR.Arnor:	agreed, not the place or the time clearly a dicussion for 3 months ago
	nirvAnA:	Moved the posts to the 3 month ago thread!

[aLtShortizz]

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