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Originally Posted by Ridiculisk

There's a decent ZvZ write up with vods and stuff on TeamLiquid I think???

Can't remember what it's called, something like [12 Days with the Pro's ZvZ with Ret] or something like that? It's got some good info if you can find it though.

Personally I hate ZvZ atm. It feels like such a coin toss match-up. I feel like I have to send one of my initial drones to scout for a 6 pool, which puts you on the back foot almost imediatly.

And then when a game doesnt end with something cheesy like a 6 - 8 pool, it's just a race to see who gets Mutalisk's first...

I just need to practice more I think. But it's very frustrating.

First off, its "12 weeks with the pros" and Mr.Bitter is running it. Actually, Mr.B's sessions with Ret, Incontrol and Machine that I've watched are all amazing. Only they are fairly lengthy and kill my downloads. The most useful thing I've watched from Mr. B is him coaching some guy on his stream who sounded aussie. They had a guy 4gating the aussie every game, to see if the aussie could stop it. Mr.B was talking about all the small details of the 4gate and then showed that he knew what he was talking about when he beat the 4gating guy, with perfect scouting as well. The cool part about that story is how the next day, I got 4gated but held it off perfectly, and ended up winning. But thats ZvP. His ZvZ vods are amazing too, probably the best resource for ZvZ right now.

I disagree about the mutalisks race. Why? Hydralisks. You can throw a few hydras into your army just incase they are going for mutas, without even scouting. Hydras own mutas, and CAN back up your army pretty well. Still, if you're sure they aren't muta rushing, its pure roaches. On top of that, if you see them muta rushing, and all you have is roaches, you just go kill them. They wont have enough to defend 99% of the time.

I also diagree about drone scouting early in ZvZ. In fact, I disagree with drone scouting on most maps at all. If its a 4player map, then sure. But if its a 2 player map, your overlords can scout everything anyway. And what are you going to do vs a 6pooler if you scout it? You get a pool a bit earlier, by one or two food. In majority of cases, your lings still wont pop in time, so you just have to know how to do drones vs lings, or how to stall with drones. The advantage of doing it this way is that you get extra mining time than your opponent (Assuming they drone scout) which makes you get a potential extra drone out, as you have the better economy to do so. That advantage can increase over the period of the game, especially if you get some attacks on their mineral lines.

As for sky, I havent watched that ZvZ ep yet, I've only really seen his ZvZ day[9] build eps. I'll be sure to watch it.