[Zealo]

Originally Posted by Dracover

Not sure I get your first point. There's a sure way of getting into tier 3. Pull together a roster of masters players and you will be in tier 3. Why would anyone try to get there by demothing themselves. Winning teir 4 to then be put into teir 3.

purely as an example, with no league restrictions i think my team has a reasonable chance of finishing top two (for a chance to get promoted). with "only 1 master at least 1 plat" rule we would be lucky to finish in the top half (unless some of us deliberately tank our league) and some team with a strong plat player will get into tier 3 next season and complain about having to vs masters/their plat player not getting used.

However, if your assessment is correct in the lower tiers then we wouldn't have the people complaining about the issue with masters players in the first place.

I think as a community we need to assess what the goal of the lowere tiers are. If your goal is "everyone should improve and try to get into the higher tiers" then yes I agree we can tell those people "deal with it you'll be placed where your skill level is. Get better". The result I think will be similar to ladder system where 1/2 the people who own the game dont ladder.

if people don't want to play competitively there's not really any way to change that. as your ladder example proves, even if you match people skill wise really well (leagues don't indicate skill super well anyway) some people still just won't want to play. when you play any sport you have to accept there is a possibility you may get beaten.

there's always going to be a gap between the strongest team in a tier and the weakest one. the only way to decrease that gap is to make more tiers (and either have shorter seasons or double round robin seasons)

[Dracover]

Originally Posted by Zealo

purely as an example, with no league restrictions i think my team has a reasonable chance of finishing top two (for a chance to get promoted). with "only 1 master at least 1 plat" rule we would be lucky to finish in the top half (unless some of us deliberately tank our league) and some team with a strong plat player will get into tier 3 next season and complain about having to vs masters/their plat player not getting used.

So you're against it cause it's not good for your team? What team that moves from tier 4 to tier 3 in one season legitamately thinks they have a chance in tier 3? If you were good enough to compete in tier 3 you would have been put there already. I would assume the teams in tier 4 would assume if they promote they would also demote equally as fast.

Originally Posted by Zealo

if people don't want to play competitively there's not really any way to change that. as your ladder example proves, even if you match people skill wise really well (leagues don't indicate skill super well anyway) some people still just won't want to play. when you play any sport you have to accept there is a possibility you may get beaten.

there's always going to be a gap between the strongest team in a tier and the weakest one. the only way to decrease that gap is to make more tiers (and either have shorter seasons or double round robin seasons)

I agree with you're general point about the competitiveness of players. I made that very point in the post before. However, I don't think it's beneficial to say "oh there's always going to be people like that move on". I think we need practical solutions. The length of a season isnt going to change unless teir 1 and 2 changes. The number of tiers isnt going to change unless theres more admins to do the work.