[cedax]

Terran is so powerful with 1:1:1 build, as protoss what can i do about it? See other people are having problems with it on sc2 armory and at http://gamewipe.com/2011/09/pvt-and-the-111/

Any suggestions? I have been playing sc2 for 5 months btw, and protoss 4 of them!

Thanks, Cedax/Klutzecool

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	Dox:	Your first post is a balance whine? :P
	iM yang:	Don't whinge if you aren't good enough to get payed to play the game.
	NvPinder:	you're a poster child for abortion
	Snod:	-_-
	nirvAnA:	Harsh but those negative points are deserved. So im just offsetting them as its your first post & hope to see improvement welcome to the site!

[Disadvantage]

You would receive a much better response to your question if you did these things next time:

1. It's your first post, so why not introduce yourself a little better, even if it is only gaming wise. Are you playing on SEA/NA/KR/EU? What league are you in?
2. What have YOU tried against 111? Letting us know that you have done a little more research than acknowledging others' difficulties makes people want to help you!
3. Have you got a specific replay for us to look at? Replays are the easiest thing for someone to browse over and tell you what to change.

Try these on your next post

Outside that, I don't play protoss but I have heard chargelots/HT work? I don't know

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	Dox:	#winning
	nirvAnA:

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by cedax

Terran is so powerful with 1:1:1 build, as protoss what can i do about it? See other people are having problems with it on sc2 armory and at http://gamewipe.com/2011/09/pvt-and-the-111/

Any suggestions? I have been playing sc2 for 5 months btw, and protoss 4 of them!

Thanks, Cedax/Klutzecool

What you can do about it ? Here some suggestions:

1. Change the title of your thread by "I have hard time countering the 1-1-1, could I have some help please"
2. Read this thread that has the same subject : http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2064 and has veeeery good info from top players about that exact same subject. You have been lazy not to check the forum first before making a new thread.
3. If you still want more insight, post a replay there : http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=202, we will analyse it. Make sure to post your own analyze ot it with it (and your league).
4. Don't whine on balance on this site. As you can see it's very poorly appreciated.

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	Disadvantage:
	Dox:	#winning
	syfPhoenix:	:) if only every1 was smart

[Nobunaga]

Your problem is solved by not playing Protoss.

See, my response contained just as much effort as your question.

[Snod]

It is widely known that 1-1-1 is a painful build for protoss to handle. But there are ways to deal with it, especially at a non-pro level, as the build won't be 100% perfect.
The main thing you want to do is keep stalling the terran army out before they get to your base, and forcing PDD early if they have a raven. This way you can get enough units by the time they get to your doorstep.

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Stallion:

a basic and simple wayt o deal with it :) doesnt always work but good idea :)

[Next_rim]

One base fast HT+chargelot works wonders, especially if you feedback incoming banshee like a boss. Problem is - it doesn't work against anything else. If you are 100% sure opp will go 1-1-1, try it, otherwise work on 1-gate expo into over 9000 units.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by Snod

It is widely known that 1-1-1 is a painful build for protoss to handle. But there are ways to deal with it, especially at a non-pro level, as the build won't be 100% perfect.
The main thing you want to do is keep stalling the terran army out before they get to your base, and forcing PDD early if they have a raven. This way you can get enough units by the time they get to your doorstep.

The main thing you want to do is cut probes and get as much zealot/sentry/immortal out as possible after an expansion. If you try to force a pdd early you're just going to waste units and since you only want 4-5 stalkers, it's not useful in the slightest.

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SkyBreaker:

[EXCL]

If the immortal buff gets through on PTR then it will help too i'm sure

[TAXanT]

Check the replays tab on the right side of the site.

delete (P) v rLsoneplus (T) MC7

Not your ordinary strategy for holding it off, but delete handled it like a boss.

[xGKingdelete]

^ i agree.


haha anyway, you have you scout.
with your initial probe scout, you'll see something like rax, with 1 gas taken before the marine pushes you out of the base. one or two minutes later, send the probe close to the ramp to scout the front, and pull it back as soon as it gets hit by marines (it doesn't matter if the probe dies, but try to keep it alive).

If you see a bunker, with a few marines, it's most likely going to be the 1-1-1 (although it could be something like 2port banshee or hellion drops). Since he has a bunker, it's obvious that he isn't planning to attack any time in the near future, so take an expansion.
This should be 1gate -> expansion, or 1gate -> robo -> expansion. if you already have 3 gates and/or a robo, it's probably too late to expand so just pump out units off one base.
Then, as said above, eventually cut probes and add on gateways until you have 5 gates and a robo, get zealots 4-5 sentries immortals, use observers to spot when he moves out and try to engage while he's unsieged.

if you see a marauder, reaper, or a tech lab barracks with your secondary scouting, it's not going to be the 1-1-1 so just play normally.

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TAXanT:

Thx for the tips, I lost to it the ladder a few minutes ago lol

[AxSGRiM]

I think the new patch shows Blizzard has already taken actions to try nerf it.

[Fourby]

Originally Posted by HTsHockeR

I think the new patch shows Blizzard has already taken actions to try nerf it.

lol by giving us a whole 5 seconds?, and ofcourse everyone uses a seeker in a 1/1/1 build..

[iM yang]

Immortal range fourby, you dunce.

[Fourby]

Thats not nerfing anything last i recall, thats giving a unit a buff for all round match ups, you hurp

[iM yang]

Nerfing the strength of the push via indirect means, you durp

[PantlessPete]

Not sure on how to beat it, but I can tell you how to spot it easily. Most 1-1-1 builds make a single hellion for scouting with before adding a tech lab to their factory. They use the hellion to check for an expo, your gateway count, gas cout, any starports or other tech. So look out for the hellion, and if you can deny its scouting you will put him in a more defensive posture (i.e. he may not expand till he feels safe from a 1base allin).

Super early 3 gate pressure is also quite good, especially if you can delay the rax or bunker at all with a probe. Often a 3gate hits when I have 3 marines in a bunker, the reactor on my rax has only just finished and a siege tank is still 47 seconds away! Not sure if that's just my dodgy timing (quite new to terran), but it might work for you!

[MazEi]

I still don't get why I don't want to learn this build, even after tons of posts saying how even top top pros struggle holding this off. But I think you should give it a bit more time for people to maybe find out how to hold this off(correct me if I'm wrong but for now there's only ways to barely hold it off but it doesn't put you equal or ahead of the Terran).

[Fourby]

Originally Posted by mazei

I still don't get why I don't want to learn this build, even after tons of posts saying how even top top pros struggle holding this off. But I think you should give it a bit more time for people to maybe find out how to hold this off(correct me if I'm wrong but for now there's only ways to barely hold it off but it doesn't put you equal or ahead of the Terran).

usually after you hold it off you can just go win,

thats just my experience. Esp if you went for fast expo to hold it off, you should be quite ahead and can just keep warping in units and finish the game there and then

[Next_rim]

Often a 3gate hits when I have 3 marines in a bunker

Your timings are odd, 3-gate comes no faster than 4 gate, just with 1(2, depending on style) more stalker to begin with. And T should have more than 3 marines and 1 hellion. Afair 1-st banshee pops some 15-20 seconds into ramp brawl.

[PantlessPete]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Your timings are odd, 3-gate comes no faster than 4 gate, just with 1(2, depending on style) more stalker to begin with. And T should have more than 3 marines and 1 hellion. Afair 1-st banshee pops some 15-20 seconds into ramp brawl.

Only done it 5 or so times, better work on nailing down the build! =)