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Unread Wed, 17th-Oct-2012, 6:50 PM BnetId: axidair  Race: Location: Shah Alam, Malaysia  Total Posts Made: 20 # 21
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Tanks should be out by that time what I thought? Just siege it up on the high ground and target the banelings.
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Unread Wed, 17th-Oct-2012, 8:04 PM BnetId: Redemption  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 284 # 22
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i had this problem at one stage, i dont do this anymore but i used to go 3 cc into bio 4 rax double gas and so on with a rax wall in. its MKPs build, i dont do it anymore because a lot of people get the gas for speed only these days, but when the queen strats were in i would just rax wall in every time i saw an all in coming then i would drop and push out with bio and then get tanks and would transiftion normally from there.
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Unread Thu, 18th-Oct-2012, 2:58 AM BnetId: Prometheus  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 156 # 23
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Tanks should be out by that time what I thought? Just siege it up on the high ground and target the banelings.
The first hellion comes out at around 6 minutes. Ling/bling all-ins can occur less than a minute later. If they have roaches it comes a bit later but that relies on you first scouting roaches. I suppose if you're lucky and they do a late all-in you could get siege, but there are all-ins specifically designed to hit before siege mode, like ViBe's 8:20 all-in.

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i had this problem at one stage, i dont do this anymore but i used to go 3 cc into bio 4 rax double gas and so on with a rax wall in. its MKPs build, i dont do it anymore because a lot of people get the gas for speed only these days, but when the queen strats were in i would just rax wall in every time i saw an all in coming then i would drop and push out with bio and then get tanks and would transiftion normally from there.
Yeah I've been thinking of just starting with a 2rax and then transitioning into hellion/banshee. With a 2rax + engi-bay wall you're pretty safe. However this does delay your tech quite a bit.

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Unread Thu, 18th-Oct-2012, 8:27 AM Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 325 # 24
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Titan is this because of the loser at CH? he allined every game i have ever seen :P its really pathetic but yeah, spooks advice is probably the best so listen to him I have the same trouble with people who do this as it can it fast and even before a banshee is out but spook is right listen to him
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Unread Thu, 18th-Oct-2012, 8:29 AM Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 325 # 25
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u could even consider going fast factory into tanks and then get 2 CC to defend ur pretty impregnable then
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Unread Thu, 18th-Oct-2012, 1:26 PM BnetId: Spook.389  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Adelaide, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,570 # 26
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yeah you can get tanks out in time but you cant change your build in response to get tanks out the only way you can hold it with tanks is with 2+ tanks and you wont have banshees out due to gas id say just do 3cc with tanks if you have that much trouble with it although you win die to muta...
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Unread Fri, 19th-Oct-2012, 7:55 AM Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 325 # 27
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yeah i guess so... its really hard to defend shame u cant create a game and tell the computer exactly what to do so u could try out different builds to defend it :P That would be sick
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Unread Fri, 19th-Oct-2012, 9:01 AM BnetId: iVnStandard.354  Race: Clan: iVn  Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 259 # 28
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The best thing terrans can do imo is to have a good wall like the picture above.

Have your hellions chilling behind the bunkers so when the ling banes come funneling in you can target fire them easily.

This can be a preference thing but if you think they're doing a roach bane all in or see it coming, after you've built the tech lab on the rax keep it there and pump out a few marauders. When your starport is finished create a techlab on it. It'll delay your banshee for a little bit but its worth getting out the marauders imo.

Sending all but a handful of scvs for repair into the main is a good idea to save taking eco damage.

The rest will come down to decsiion making and micro, as I said before though having a good wall will help so much : )
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Unread Fri, 19th-Oct-2012, 9:29 AM BnetId: Demosthenes.587  Race: Location: Sydney, Aust  Total Posts Made: 42 # 29
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What does everyone think of a quick 3rd cc? I've read (and experienced first hand) that it helps bounce back after taking significant damage from ling bling all ins.
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Unread Sun, 21st-Oct-2012, 7:31 AM BnetId: Prometheus  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 156 # 30
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Found this video of DeMusliM talking about this exact topic:
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