[cure]

If scouted, it can be stopped, start scouting more if you're losing as zerg (:

[Seagal]

the really anoying thing about the four gate is the fact that really, toss can become equal with the zerg eco wise if the zerg over protects whih seriously is hard not to do. maybe im only gold/plat but i feel as tho the 4 gate can transition into a late game.

[Aean(:]

Originally Posted by Seagal

the really anoying thing about the four gate is the fact that really, toss can become equal with the zerg eco wise if the zerg over protects whih seriously is hard not to do. maybe im only gold/plat but i feel as tho the 4 gate can transition into a late game.

In top play every little detail counts, if you cut probes for x seconds and you dont do any eco damage to the other guy, it ends up pretty bad.

[Dogsi]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

i hardly do standard 4g in ladder. i preferred korean 4gate more nowadays.

I prefer my opponent doing Korean 4 gate now because once I scout I instantly know what to expect and build to counter it.

[Makra]

What's the difference between K4G and standard 4G? Or if anyone's willing to go out of their way a bit, what are all the variations on 4 gate?

[Dogsi]

K4G pulls all their probes from gas once they get what they need. They also make far less probes and build numerous pylons around your base and then warp in mass zealots.

[ToRSpartaz]

Im curious, in fourgating how much minerals do you guys usually stack for the first wave?

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Im curious, in fourgating how much minerals do you guys usually stack for the first wave?

By the time warp gate tech is completed. I will have around 400min 200gas. If i want to be more eco friendly, i will drop 2nd gas at 20 food but only pull 2 probes to it.

However, ive seen many toss going 4Gate with 1zealot 1 stalkers before the warp gate completed to defened any rushes.

Engagement would be 1 zealot 5 stalkers.

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by dennistoo

By the time warp gate tech is completed. I will have around 400min 200gas. If i want to be more eco friendly, i will drop 2nd gas at 20 food but only pull 2 probes to it.

Dayum 0.O I think I stack too much =/ I sometimes are around 600, but thats mainly gone by second wave due to chronoing my warp gates good or bad?

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Dayum 0.O I think I stack too much =/ I sometimes are around 600, but thats mainly gone by second wave due to chronoing my warp gates good or bad?

600 alittle too much. I would rather you spend that additional 200min for another zealot or plyon.

[ToRSpartaz]

Seriously when ive played recently all ive done has been fourgating like last night for instance played 6 games and fourgated each time with varied transitions I think a guy was turtling once so i went robo. But honestly over last 3 days..? Think it was 3days maybe 4 but ive won like roughly 21 ladders with 3 losses and its just like WOW how effective can a fourgate get xD

P.S. Too alll those I do realise -.- I know a heap load of other builds xD

[dennistoo]

Originally Posted by Dogsi

I prefer my opponent doing Korean 4 gate now because once I scout I instantly know what to expect and build to counter it.

I only do K4G on long distance map. Short distance i normally go defensive. And yes, it's easily scoutable. 10 plyon 10 Gate 14Gas 16 Core.

[ToRSpartaz]

Why cant i have the pheonix dp? D:

[SkyBreaker]

When I was playing Protoss at the gold/platinum level, a majority of the PvP match-ups revolved around my opponent going for the 4gate while I tried to go for a 3gate robo, getting that quick robo and chrono-boosting out an immortal. At that level of play, the force-field was enough time to buy time for the immortal and an extra round of warp-in units; so it was usually more than enough to hold it.

However, the higher you go up in the leagues and ladders; the more refined the 4Gate is, so ofc a 3gate robo wouldn't work in all leagues and divisions.

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Why cant i have the pheonix dp? D:

The avatars are based of the user's post count, so keep active and it'll eventually become a phoenix

[ToRSpartaz]

Originally Posted by SkyBreaker

The avatars are based of the user's post count, so keep active and it'll eventually become a phoenix

Mean and would you say that fourgate was enough to get into Diamond?

[SkyBreaker]

Originally Posted by Spartaz

Mean and would you say that fourgate was enough to get into Diamond?

From what I've heard from a lot of high level Protoss players; the general consensus seems to be that 4gating can get you into diamond; and according to Benji (from his streams) it is able to teach you somewhat decent macro (in terms of keeping your warp-gates on cool-down and so on).

But in my opinion; the macro you learn is only up until the 8-9 minute mark where you've either won or lost the game; not longer-game macro nor the ability to be able to think of the fly and deal with an array of scenarios that could be thrown at you (i.e. a Terran opening with cloaked banshees, or a Zerg who holds off the 4gate). That's just my opinion though, so take it as a grain of salt

[ToRSpartaz]

AWESOME !!! I really need to play some more ladders xD

[nirvAnA]

roz told me today when he power levels pple to masters he just 4 gates every game vs every race and does well.

haha the power of the 4 gate!

[Xeen]

4gate (or any standard rush from any race) is easily enough to get you to Masters with a decent winrate, because you're bashing diamonds/low masters on the way

[Mezza]

@Makra and future 4gaters

here's some resources on the difference between the 4gates,

sc2 liquipedia article on 4gate
sc2 liquipedia article on korean 4gate

there's also a day9 daily, #169 on 4gate styles.

You Tube

You Tube

and another day9 vod on huk vs tester where huk gets korean 4gated in the razer king of the beta tournament

You Tube

You Tube

that should at least be a starting point. happy 4gating

yeah all you terrans and zergs out there, i can feel the hate already. but hey, education is always good.