[ROOTPetraeus]

Ok I just watched Mafia's analysis.. I don't see why this guy isn't confirmed. In the other replays I have seen it hasn't been as conclusive but I am 100% sure he was maphacking that game ._.

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Champi:

[TABiggun]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just want to highlight this. this is HUGE. how did people miss that? aren't hacks known to have that specific camera lock feature whenever you look through the fog of war? and that directly contradicts all the "dead time" where the "camera locks" and he does nothing?

When me or Rossi talk about the 'random pauses' this is what we are talking about. I have said in many posts that there are random pauses. This is not new news, but hopefully people will notice this now because I have been talking about this since the beginning and noone seems to notice it.

Here is a quote of part of what I originally posted:

Originally Posted by TABiggun

I would just like to quote a paragraph from the recent Spades thread because it is very relevent.

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=342248

Before starting... for those of you who don't know, the latest maphacks on the internet block your camera on the last place visited when u are looking at some place u haven't got ANY kind of vision on, so that if people watch the replays they don't find it so evident that you are hacking. Camera block situations should be taken as moments where the camera is COMPLETELY frozen but no action is being made, they are easy to spot because most progamers are constantly moving around with the mouse, and almost never leave their camera at the exact same spot, if they do, it's just for about 1-2 seconds.


This is exactly what is happening throughout Chobo's games. It is clearly evident in the Mafia vs Chobo game on shakuras. Chobo looks into the main and then just randomly pauses for a moment with no actions at 5:30 as a baneling nest is being constructed and I also noted this was happening throughout many of the replays; a random pause with no actions. In sc2gears i looked throughout that time at his actions and there was no right click with his scvs on the mineral patches or anything, just a random look into the main and then natural.

[FvRelimzkE]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just want to highlight this. this is HUGE. how did people miss that? aren't hacks known to have that specific camera lock feature whenever you look through the fog of war? and that directly contradicts all the "dead time" where the "camera locks" and he does nothing?

map hackers CANNOT look through fog of war, it screen locks

Before I say this, I'd just like to point out I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
It is possible to disable this camera lock feature. Clicking inside of the fog of war is an emergency override and there are ways to permanently disable it before even going into a game.

After watching the Spades debate today, the evidence against chobo seems much more scarce, however I'm not an advanced player so I'm afraid I can't offer a valid opinion since my game knowledge is rubbish.

Edit: As Evets points out a few posts down, in some hacks you also have to manually screenlock. The ones I am describing have it automatically enabled, and clicking inside the fog of war cancels out the lock until you go back into your vision

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just want to highlight this. this is HUGE. how did people miss that? aren't hacks known to have that specific camera lock feature whenever you look through the fog of war? and that directly contradicts all the "dead time" where the "camera locks" and he does nothing?

We've got a couple of issues here.

Firstly, this thread has blown up coinciding with the spades hacking accusations. This means that many sources of information regarding hacks are coming different places. A large portion of the spades allegations centre around the camera lock, now I'm by no means an expert but apparently there are multiple types of hack, with many different features. I believe you can make it totally automatic so you can't look into fog of war at all (hence allegations about spade using the minimap all the time), push button activated, so it only happens when you press a button, or obviously not at all.

Obviously IF Chobo was using a hack we also don't know if it has any or all of these features. Many posters have looked at timings to try and determine if the camera is being locked at different times, they may or may not be right. Chobo may or may not have it enabled at different times. I think given the amazing 'game sense' shown and pointed out by Mafia on his video replay, along with many other analysis' done I'd say that Chobo is hacking, but that's my personal opinion. Also I'd say that I don't accept all the evidence presented, and I believe that in some analysis' the case has been overstated (not EVERYTHING is proof of a hack).

The issue becomes though often the bulk of the evidence is overlooked because of one over exaggeration or inconsistency. If a summary was made up of all the evidence we know to be correct I'd say it would be more damning than any case put forward for those on the 'confirmed' hacker list so far. Inadequate explanations and defence in the forum, amazing game sense, constant 'coincidences', constant 'could have assumed that...', poor performance live while amazing performance online, average performance then amazing performance after a short break, it's all there.

Like I said, I think that overstating the case has lead to people raising valid doubts about the 5% overstated and that casts doubt on the whole thing, but try and take a step back and look at all these amazing 'coincidences'.

[FaDeEvetS]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I just want to highlight this. this is HUGE. how did people miss that? aren't hacks known to have that specific camera lock feature whenever you look through the fog of war? and that directly contradicts all the "dead time" where the "camera locks" and he does nothing?

map hackers CANNOT look through fog of war, it screen locks

You have to hold down a hotkey to screenlock, isn't an automatic thing

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[nirvAnA]

What im saying biggun is it wouldn't it be impossible for him to look at ender's base through fog of war, as the map hack feature which you quoted would "camera lock" him and make it become a random pause in the game?

in his game vs ender there was no camera lock and he was seen looking through for fog of war at enders base.

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by AsGCHoBo

I really appreciate your efforts sir. Thank you muchly I could write my response/POV but it could be quickly turned around and twisted back into my face. It is better someone else than me.

No, as we've been saying constantly we want you to explain what's happening in those games.

[UHF]

In response to Mafia

ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

He has started pulling back units well before Ender moves up to the top of the ramp. At that point he had 5 Marines with a half health bunker, with 3 Marines running from the other side of the map. Is it a hack or just good game sense that he should pull back before he loses everything (he has nothing back at home if he does lose it all).

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

True - but he could be just checking to see what he scouted when he was pushing in the front door with Marines.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

Yes I will admit this does look fishy. However, both positions are behind mineral lines and likely positions for scouting overlords. Surely most pros would check for OLs? This makes SENSE when he lifts and places his third CC soon after in the direction he scouted with his Viking.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

Sends Hellions to Xel'Naga to scout, then to his third to clear before moving his CC in. Ender does NOT see the CC coming in - is this hacking or good game play?

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

Slightly fishy, but follows the theme of clearing out the expo's so his opponent doesn't know what he is doing.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

Not that surprising if this is a set path he does often (i have seen him do this against non Zerg players)

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

At the same time his Viking flies over the lings at the top tower. He see's these on his MINIMAP, moves hellions down to 3rd, then goes up to look at Tower but vikings have already moved past.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

This is fishy. However if we go for a counter arguement, he has seen lings at his 3rd three times now AND has been supply blocked for a while. Seems like a decent idea to wall off.

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

Again, fishy. Could be positioning them behind the wall as protection from any attacks. Eventually replaces Hellions with a single marine (which seems like a weird choice if he knows how many lings at there).

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

Yup, at this point in the game he has had lings down there 4 times.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

The only units he has seen this far in is lings. There has been no pressure except to the bottom left which has dealt with, either legitimately or not. His Viking has been roaming uncontested, which suggests no mutas.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

It also goes back along the path it came along. He has been scouting both sides of the maps with Vikings all game. His pathing covers all the open air space AND the expo's along that side. It's a good path to take.


16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

His first few clicks are PAST the zergling bunch, which indicates he was planning on doing something with the SCV.

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

Ignoring this because i don't think it's anything

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

Bottom of the ramp to the nat/main. seems reasonable

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Overall, I think there is a very fine line between either being fishy (aka cheating), or just having great game sense, good game play and playing really well. I honestly wouldn't put money either way, as arguements can be made from both sides.

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nirvAnA:

[jayaiwhy]

Originally Posted by Peleus

No, as we've been saying constantly we want you to explain what's happening in those games.

even if he explains, all you guys are going to do is "but (___________________________)"
then chobo can reply with "but (_________________________________)"
then you guys say "but (______________________________)"

it's so silly,

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[mGGDaedalus]

I just watched mafia's VOD of analysing the ohana game vs ender (http://www.twitch.tv/xeriamafia/b/320424553 for reference).

There were a couple of points that I thought could be defencible for chobo. Mafia mentions that he's never seen the top watchtower for units, but the viking that moved around the bottom left of map up to main and across past 3rd, did scout that tower. Also the fact that he made no turrets, while seeming suspicious, maybe he could assume that after the early game damage ender took combined with taking a quick 3rd, that he couldn't really afford mutas (I don't really know if high level terrans are good at judging this on the fly).

Other than that though, every point Mafia brought up looks heavily suspicious. No single point could be considered irrefutable evidence on its own, but seeing all the evidence in conjunction leads me to the opinion that chobo was hacking that game.

Still, seeing as by it's nature none of the evidence is by itself irrefutable, I would love to see more replays brought forward so a pattern can be established more strongly if there is one.

[Fourby]

Dont you hit the hotkey and it makes you SEEM like you are screen locked while u go around looking in their base?

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Baldie:

Fourby knows his hacks

[UHF]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

FUARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

did you actually look at the situations in the game what i am actually doing at these times?
i filtered all the times from which he was actually moving his screen and not making actions

did you actually look at the game or simply look at the combat log? if you did then all is fine and my argument is weakened... it is still however relevant.

for example you listed
6:13 to 6:16 3 seconds no actions - justified as waiting for factory cost....

I did watch the game, however didn't filter those times. A couple of them your screen was stationary, a couple moving. It was just an observation that no actions for X period of time doesn't automatically make you a cheat.

I feel bad for posting this now, as it wasn't my plan to get on your bad side

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NvRossi:

not on my bad side :P this is just frustrating haha

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by SQL.delete

I'm going through this replay and analysing for chobo's benefit, because if he tried to explain himself it would be shut down immediately by everyone. I'm personally undecided if he's hacking or not.



The way that a game appears depends on the viewer's mindset. As many of you believe he is hacking, you will see these moves as evidence. As I'm doing this to defend him, I don't. If anyone else is truely looking for the truth, watch this replay and the others yourself.

ok delete, first of all ur a protoss u wont understand TvZ and you could have done a better job defending him, for example
ZvT Replay Enderr vs Chobo [Ohana LE]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.

yep just checking it nothing sus here

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more to make sure he saw everything.

yeah alot of terrans double check to see real quick what they missed


9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

just a random movement decides to go right first, then left cause he felt like it

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

the smart thing to do, obviously. i wouldn't go for the right one straight away though because its a little too sus if u kill 2 straight away just like that. (it wasnt gonna scout anything anyway)

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.

luck / coincidence again or whatever you wanna call it.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.

obviously you would do this, but doesnt explain why he never moves his hellions unless he needs to and everytime he does it does something. same as his vikings moves them 3 times whole game and they do wonders

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.

starsense/luck/coincidence of course again.

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.

nothing weird here, just good pathing top tier viking control in world for sure

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

yep his vikings fly past it, so now i have even more reason to check it out, even though i cant see anything and its 3 seconds late, same as earlier in the game its always reasonable to check through fog of war at times. (its also unreasonable to constantly be using the screen lock)

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.

they call this the gin timing i guess. but yeah nothing but well preparation from a terran player nothing ordinary

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.

he is good at using his hellions all game

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

standard terran play. definitely nothing wrong here. just good overall decision making

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

good game sense, he cant afford to make mutas anyway so even if he does have it i'll just gamble and lose a few scvs ive ruined his economy anyway. ( tthis is more of a tendency thing, as he only scans when he needs to and doesn't if you watch his other replays )

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

again, what can i say best viking control in world

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

starsense. nothing else to do at that point in the game than clicking on a scv

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.

gotta do a little dance everytime i rally my medivacs half way cause i can its awesome, or maybe im just avoiding the creep or something like that, makes sense to me

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

anyway my point here is, you can have any reasoning you want for why he did such things etc, maybe he just had a good run and a great game and never did anything wrong.

but you have to add all the pieces together, first he never does well at lans, he only does well in online tournaments

2nd he was gold in season 1 then became gm in season 2 (sign of something too perhaps )

3rd he has terrible mechanics but the best decision making and tactics ive seen (sign of something)

4th he plays perfectly without ever needing any information like for examples,
almost never taking watchtowers for vision
never scanning and when he does he sees spires or greater spires so he can put down 3 starports at the exact timing he needs to
has perfect viking usage
positions his units perfectly

like someone this good and doesnt even play much do u think thats right?

ppl get good because of the dedication and the amount of hard work they put into playing the game
yet he claims to never do that, nothing makes sense to me, too many signs leaning towards something suspicious

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Zepph:

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by FaDeJoshboy

Still, seeing as by it's nature none of the evidence is by itself irrefutable, I would love to see more replays brought forward so a pattern can be established more strongly if there is one.

To be fair, there has been analysis on multiple replays, each one is being passed off as 'inconclusive need to see more', I mean look at the Shakuras turn around.

I don't know what people are hoping to see? Selection of enemy buildings in fog of war? Unless it's blatant 100% replay shows something impossible this is as clear as it gets.

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mGGDaedalus:

Fair point, but more evidence is never a bad thing

[CHoBo(kice)]

7:03 - 7:04 : Looks at Bunker ready to salvage and leaves before queens even get there to attack.
I thought I had already salvaged it and this was just pure coincidence.

7:40 - 7:42 : Looks at Enderr's base through fog of war, see's the gas, but moves his camera up more
I wanted to confirm his gases and if he had a bane nest. Sometimes when your attacking you do not catch all the information because your too busy focusing on the attack itself. the place where i scrolled up is a common position for a bane nest.

9:55 - 9:56 : Sends rally point from Starport(Viking in production) straight to the overlord on the right hand side of his base,

I know this is a common positioning for a OL

9:57 - 9:58 : Realises that theres another overlord at the bottom left of his base which is closer and would scout his 3rd command centre plus tech so changes his rally to kill that one instead.

I changed my mind because I was hoping to do a drop this using this path at a later stage. common ol pathihing.

10:42 - 10:47 : Rally point of Viking goes directly aimed through 4 overlords on the map.
if he was maphacking, wouldn't he go for the one on the right of his base, as it's closer?

These are common locations for pathing for drops... overlord placement is common by good players in these locations, this pathing also avoids any queens etc.

11:28 - 11:29 : Is planning on taking his 3rd, looks at his third realises there's a ling there and kills it with his hellions before lifting his cc.
clearly any good zerg would put a zergling at third to know of terran third timing, some even borrow. regardless pull the hellion to be there so i can scan if needed.

11:47 - 11:50 : Notices how he sends his hellions straight but immediately realises theres 1 ling coming to the 4th base so changes the direction of his hellions to kill it.
game sense, thought he would try scout after the ling die to see what defence on third i had.. i.e. if i had bunker, supply wall or planetary to see what is up

12:26 - 12:29 : Selects Viking and redoes his attack rally straight through 2 overlords on the map.
He ran away from the queen, then redid his attack rally to avoid the third base, but went back to the original path (looking at the edges of the map)

Just using common pathing....

12:45 - 12:50 : Notices 1 ling attacking his 3rd, immediately realises my opponent knows I have a 3rd, what's he gonna do is he gonna attack me? So moves his camera to the watchtower where Enderr's units are to see if hes in threat.

obviously you would focus attention to larger blobs on map because force is larger, just common practice.

13:00 - 13:07 : Notice how Enderr has some lings on the map moving to his 3rd and he puts down 3 supply depots conveniently to prevent runbys from happening.
Later in the game, this depo wall dies and he rebuilds it shortly after. It may have been "conveniently" placed the first time, but that might have been coincidence. It looks like something he just does on this map.

I even did this in the third game with you. its a good place to block runbys and i always re-build makes it better to control that particular map

13:22 - 13:30 : Controls his hellions and positions them perfectly way before he even sees any lings on the minimap.
I have really good hellion control, do you not remember the games where I used to open gas first hellion into hellion drop into mech against you going back a few seasons sir?

14:40 - 15:00 : Moves out of his base with his army, but purposely leaves some marines behind and rallys to his natural because he knows that there are units positioned at the 4th.

I like to have some units at home, its far to common when runbys/basetrade occur.

16:00 : This far into the game hes had 3 Orbitals and a viking has not scouted his opponents base to see if hes going mutas at all, what kind of retarded terran doesn't afraid of mutas makes 0 turrets. At this point all he has seen on the minimap is 2 hatcheries 1 pool and 1 extractor.

This is just experience and game sense. Mutas are not as common right now, and I would probably lose to something as stupid as a 8min spire timing.

16:46 - 16:48 : The 3rd time he selects his viking all game, his rally pathing goes straight through 2 overlords and 3 zerglings(which are the only things on the whole right hand side of the map) pretty godly starsense.

my viking pathings are mainly rhs anyway >><<

16:54 - 16:59 : Notice how he selects his SCV because there are 40 zerglings at his 4th he looks there before knowing theres anything there.

This has been explained by delete....

17:18 - 17:24 : Notice how his 2 medivacs are already rallied but because he realises he's flying past either an overlord or a zergling he is planning to change the direction of his medivacs but then once they get closer he realises it's only a zergling so he's just ignoring it and going back on course.
He controls his double medivac drop to try and kill any of the lings that killed that scv shortly before. He doesn't see any, and resets the medivacs path to do the drop in the main. He flies over a zergling that was barely out of the medivac's vision while his camera was on the medivacs.

It's hard to control double medivac drops, so you can understand that im gonna panic at a zergling thinking its an ol. that's just a panic response because of discipline which I have put on myself after analysing my own games and improving i got to the stage where I do not like making mistakes. had i just gone right over the same path would have been a mistake for me.

19:39 - 19:40 : He directly pinpoints his army movement to where the zergs army is just infront of.

Are you even serious?

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[iM MaFia]

whatever, at the end of the day if i wanted to hack online i could and no one would ever suspect it or you guys wont ever catch me because ill be better than chobo at using hacks and my excuses would be just as good

what you cant argue is the bullshit that doesn't add up

you can't not ever practice or train and be good

you can't do so shit at lans and win online tournaments so convincingly

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[CHoBo(kice)]

anyway my point here is, you can have any reasoning you want for why he did such things etc, maybe he just had a good run and a great game and never did anything wrong.

YES, that is exactly right, my very first win. after not doing so well in previous mc, seasl etc. it just aligned for me. I have been receiving additional coaching and have improved quite a lot since last season.

but you have to add all the pieces together, first he never does well at lans, he only does well in online tournaments

offline WELL- I do have a very "risky" play style, I did do well only lost to GM player mostly. The circumstances were I lost to a lower player were lucky instances where have cought double scvs going to build dual port banshee or similar dicey circumstances.

2nd he was gold in season 1 then became gm in season 2 (sign of something too perhaps )

I bought GM manual, I had 15 lessons with Oxygen, I spend about 12 hours a day on starcraft almost as I did not have a job or studying at this point of time. and then when i got a job I could play starcraft at work during downtime. season 2 was a long time as well. my initial gm i was at 50% winrate because of all ins, this is where i tried to improve and get better over the course of following seasons.

3rd he has terrible mechanics but the best decision making and tactics ive seen (sign of something)

thanks sir nice of you to say im still trying to improve.

4th he plays perfectly without ever needing any information like for examples,
almost never taking watchtowers for vision
never scanning and when he does he sees spires or greater spires so he can put down 3 starports at the exact timing he needs to
has perfect viking usage
positions his units perfectly

ill take this as a compliment for my game sense.

like someone this good and doesnt even play much do u think thats right?

ppl get good because of the dedication and the amount of hard work they put into playing the game
yet he claims to never do that, nothing makes sense to me, too many signs leaning towards something suspicious

well yes I do spend time on the game, I spend more time analysing and improving my games more than anything and also getting coaching to try and get to higher levels. I do it as a fun thing but doesn't mean I cant be competitive about it?

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	NvRossi:	the 100000th was a big fat phony

[x5.Revenant]

I'm sure there far more than enough evidence to conclude this case. All the previous cases had never had this much analysis, in-depth discussion, or even time consumed(Pretty sure Mafia and Rossi spent >5hours over this, and there's excluding everyone else that has contributed). What's the Q that Nirvana(or admins) are looking for to indicate he indeed is or isn't a hacker?

Oh and btw Chobo, this is the trend that I'm seeing:

Quick Comments

	ROOTPetraeus:
	MrToast:	There is zero actual 'evidence' if you actually look at things for yourself and not blindly trust people like Rossi
	Zealo:	i'm gonna spend 5 hours analysing mafia replays, then you have to call him a hacker too
	Strafe:	kid.

[iM MaFia]

your previous ID was YaMaMa and you were a known hacker too

Quick Comments

	x5.Revenant:	Is this true? YaMaMa(his previous IGN) was a hacker too?
	FvRphoneheha:	Yeah, this has been raised before. He's Definitely a previously proven hacker?

[ROOTPetraeus]

Agree with Rev here. What else is actually needed to prove him a hacker?

@delete, more so than you with yours.

Quick Comments

	UHF:	i haven't seen any absolute evidence that proves he is hacker?
	xGKingdelete:	i don't see how you are contributing to this thread in any of your posts
	nirvAnA:	probably the same thing TL is going to use, they have a very very similar case now