The default play night is going to be Thursday nights @ 8pm AEDT (go by the SC2sea Australian clock) but teams have until the following Wednesday to play their match if they can't make the default night. It's up to team managers to get in touch with each other if they can't make the default night and then inform an admin of their newly scheduled match. You will only have a chance to have your game casted if you arrive to play on Thursday.
Each round is Best of 7 GSTL all-kill style. Results to be reported to whatever admins are online. Please have the team captain report the result of each round at the end of play. Please also have both captains save replays and send them to the admins at the end of round (to avoid anyone trying to report false results, and in case of any claims of smurfs). If you are making the game for the players and not an admin, please ensure that you are using the MLG version of all maps. Simply create custom game, then type "MLG" in the search box and they should all be there.
After the round robin stage, there will be playoffs held over 3 weeks for the top 4 teams. Playoff games will be Best of 9. Format as follows;
Game A : Rank 1 vs. Rank 2
Game B : Rank 3 vs. Rank 4
Game C (week 2) : Loser of A vs. Winner of B
Game D (week 3) : Winner of A vs. Winner of C
BtD 4 - 3 ToR
lbTdlGetafix v ThePandarine
CongressTart v ThePandarine walk over
Salix v ThePandarine xGunslingerx v ThePandarine xGunslingerx v ToRZanderax xGunslingerx v ToRZorba xGunslingerx v Uglymutt
FaDe B 4-3 QED byrnsy > krrn byrnsy > denile
byrnsy < Fridge
FaDe B forfeit game (no bronze/silver player ready) FESTa > Fridge
FESTa < QEDJenkins Fullstop > QEDJenkins
You must be ready to play your first game at the scheduled time. Not showing up or being later than 15 minutes will result in your forfeit.
You will save replays in case of disputes.
You agree to be patient and considerate should for the duration of the event should any unforeseen difficulties arise, and acknowledge that the supervising administrator designated to your bracket has full authority over decisions pertaining to the game and may enforce the rules at his or her discrepancy.
Tournament administrators are free to join any game that they see fit. You are not to refuse entry to a caster or commentator and failure to do so may result in disqualification.
You agree that by entering this tournament that you will not publicly slader or reproach any of the staff or sponsors associated with this tournament on any public medium.
There are to be no spectators of any kind except the aforementioned administrators and the casters.
You may not include players based outside of Southeast Asia or Oceania in your team unless an admin grants special consideration.
You must own your own legal copies of StarCraft II for the SEA server.
If a player is promoted outside of Bronze, Silver or Gold once the season starts they may continue to play until the end of the season.
Maps will be sourced from the Battle.net ladder and competitive maps (ESL, MLG, GSL, etc.)
Teams failing to contact their opponent's manager or agree on a designated play time will be designated a time by an admin. Failure to show at this time will result in a forfeit.
So far the head admins are Maynarde#489, ToRSynzita#319 and TAEdarus#427 but more may be announced.
So far streaming of games is based on volunteers and not every round or match is guaranteed a stream.
The prize is a clan logo thanks to TCPmagik. Once the finalists are determined from league play it is the clan leader's responsibility to discuss creative decisions with myself or magik regarding their possible clan logo.
Terror Australis - TAEdarus - TAEdarus.427 Brothers Till Death -Interdiction - Interdiction.626 VB- VB_Potthead - VBPotthead.898 QED - TheFridgeMaster - Fridge.790 Time of Rising - ToRSynzita - ToRSynzita.319 FaDe A & B - FaDeEXCL - FaDeEXCL.173 Kelvin's Army - Aeon - Aeon.816 The Clanless - ChadMann - ChadMann.754 Team Carbon Pressure - TCPfrogmite - TCPfrogmite.365
Brackets and starting date are up guys. Now because I posted this kind of late notice, if you want to delay it a week then please let me know, otherwise the games begin this Thursday night (6th October).
Might need to post pone the game on this Thursday with VB.. Myself and a few of the players will be unavailable (its my GF's birthday.. soo.. :S) I guess I should organise something with Potthead about another time for the game...?
- Also, probably good to clarify with everyone about the 8pm AEST as most of Australia has just started Daylight savings time... ;-)
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If you just went on to Daylight Savings time that means that WA and singapore will start at 5pm? the equivalent of the 8pm?
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
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If you just went on to Daylight Savings time that means that WA and singapore will start at 5pm? the equivalent of the 8pm?
I am led to believe that, yes.. The clock on this site seems to be correct.. the middle one at the top right of the page shows the correct time here.. so you can always follow that..
but just thought it would be good to remind people.. so they don't turn up 1 hr late.. :P or to check if the 8pm time is AEST (like in Queensland) not the daylight savings time everyone else in NSW and most of Aus get to enjoy..
I realize that there are two FaDe teams on the brackets but only one on the roster O_o
They said that they wanted to enter the team, and was assured that players would be given today. They got the benefit of the doubt at the moment cause I wanted to make brackets ASAP for everyone. If they can't make a second team then the brackets will be revised.
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If you just went on to Daylight Savings time that means that WA and singapore will start at 5pm? the equivalent of the 8pm?
Yes.
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Yeah so is the start time 7pm for QLD'ers?
Yes. As I'm under the impression QLD has no daylight savings, you would start 7pm.
The time quoted in the OP is based on the Australian clock on the website, when that puppy hits 8pm on Thursday night, it's game on.
I worked out the thursday time for the following timezones.
Thursday 8pm AEST ; 10pm NZ ; 7pm Brisbane ; 7.30pm Adelaide ; 5.00pm West Australia
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Might need to post pone the game on this Thursday with VB.. Myself and a few of the players will be unavailable (its my GF's birthday.. soo.. :S) I guess I should organise something with Potthead about another time for the game...?
- Also, probably good to clarify with everyone about the 8pm AEST as most of Australia has just started Daylight savings time... ;-)
Potthead won't be here, his going on holiday so i'll be managing for the first 2 weeks. I'll PM you and work out the details. Thursday is going to be a bad night for us as most of us work
How come the two FaDe teams are against each other on the first round...
They just are The brackets were randomized.
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Potthead won't be here, his going on holiday so i'll be managing for the first 2 weeks. I'll PM you and work out the details. Thursday is going to be a bad night for us as most of us work
Just keep in mind you guys need to play your match up before the end of Wednesday next week and let an admin know when you have confirmed a time so that we can supervise.
But am I right in saying that no matter which one wins, both teams have a chance of advancing and won't be eliminated in the first round?
No you're not right in saying that haha It's round robin so every team plays every other team and the teams with the most wins / losses are the ones that take the top of the table.
I have a question about the maps? Who/what decides on the first map of the series? Maybe i'm just too tired to read correctly but i cant see it anywhere :s
I have a question about the maps? Who/what decides on the first map of the series? Maybe i'm just too tired to read correctly but i cant see it anywhere :s
I imagine it's probably Xel'Naga Caverns first and then loser picks from then on. Could be wrong though.
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
Pls take out scrap station and delta quadrant... maps that arent ladder, maps that arent used in any tournaments anywhere around the world... you dont need that many maps for map pool anyway ><
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Drop hacks, gotta watch out for dem Drop hacks.
It makes it interesting having different maps imo, and at BSG level, if the map makes you win, you were probably going to win anyway.
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
That is totally not true... Siege tank and marines at your front is definitely not the same as siege tanks and marines on the ledge behind your base... Similarly, having a wide ass main ramp means you can't wall off with the customary gate, cyber against zerg...
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Drop hacks, gotta watch out for dem Drop hacks.
I imagine it's probably Xel'Naga Caverns first and then loser picks from then on. Could be wrong though.
Sorry I been meaning to fix that, have now.
At the end of every week I will announce the map for the following week by updating the OP along with the results. The first week's map is Metalopolis. Every week's starting map will be from the pool. Basically every first game needs to be on this map for this week, but then the team who loses the first map can choose the next map from the pool and so on and so forth.
I've also updated the post that I reserved with team manager contact details! So if your team can't make the default play night of Thursday, please get in touch with the other team's manager via this site and organize your match yourselves. Keep in mind, it MUST be played by the end of next Wednesday.
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Pls take out scrap station and delta quadrant... maps that arent ladder, maps that arent used in any tournaments anywhere around the world... you dont need that many maps for map pool anyway ><
Thanks for picking that up man, I copied them over from Season 1. Yeah I'm removing those maps from the pool, they're terrible!
Pretty sure he posted that before Maynarde updated the OP...
yeah man.. but i wasn't accusing him of being an idiot for not noticing it.. just that this information can be found in the OP and it will show the weekly map each week.
However I missed Maynarde's post that explained that before mine.. so my bad.
Ok guys, to make game scheduling as easy as possible I'm going to create a Skype group for BSGCL managers. I currently have most of you added, but the ones that I don't can you please PM me with your Skype details? Thanks
An update:
TCP v BtD moved to Saturday @ 7PM AEDT
The Clanless v VB moved to Friday @ ?
KA v TA needs to be moved, not sure when yet.
In your OP you updated to all MLG. Are you sure all maps have MLG? If I recall Nerazim Crypt, Antiga Shipyard, Typhon Peaks and some others don't have MLG because close spawns is still acceptable for Zerg.
In your OP you updated to all MLG. Are you sure all maps have MLG? If I recall Nerazim Crypt, Antiga Shipyard, Typhon Peaks and some others don't have MLG because close spawns is still acceptable for Zerg.
Hey man, I'm reasonably sure there are MLG versions of Antiga and Typhon. Not sure about Nerazim. I'll check out SEA's list of MLG maps and if there are any missing I'll update the map pool. For now, just use MLG versions where applicable and ladder version if an MLG version doesn't exist.
Hey man, I'm reasonably sure there are MLG versions of Antiga and Typhon. Not sure about Nerazim. I'll check out SEA's list of MLG maps and if there are any missing I'll update the map pool. For now, just use MLG versions where applicable and ladder version if an MLG version doesn't exist.
Ok sounds good, thanks so much Do we have permission to use IPL, ESL etc. version maps if needed?
Hey man, I'm reasonably sure there are MLG versions of Antiga and Typhon. Not sure about Nerazim. I'll check out SEA's list of MLG maps and if there are any missing I'll update the map pool. For now, just use MLG versions where applicable and ladder version if an MLG version doesn't exist.
I was unable to find an MLG Antiga. There is an 'IPL4 Antiga Shipyards' by TPW I am using for PD that has neutral depots below ramps and terrain blockers stopping tanks from sieging the gases from the thirds.
Ok sounds good, thanks so much Do we have permission to use IPL, ESL etc. version maps if needed?
The ladder versions of the Season 3 maps aren't broken as far as I know, but I'm not going to be a nazi about it. If you can't find a MLG version and don't want the ladder version, use the approved and legit IPL / ESL versions.
The ladder versions of the Season 3 maps aren't broken as far as I know, but I'm not going to be a nazi about it. If you can't find a MLG version and don't want the ladder version, use the approved and legit IPL / ESL versions.
Only ladder map for season 3 that's kinda broken and fixed with a GSL/MLG/etc is Antiuga Shipyards with siegetanks able to siege for 3rd to hit a gas in the main or something.
Ok guys, to make game scheduling as easy as possible I'm going to create a Skype group for BSGCL managers. I currently have most of you added, but the ones that I don't can you please PM me with your Skype details? Thanks
An update:
TCP v BtD moved to Saturday @ 7PM AEDT
The Clanless v VB moved to Friday @ ?
KA v TA needs to be moved, not sure when yet.
Only ladder map for season 3 that's kinda broken and fixed with a GSL/MLG/etc is Antiuga Shipyards with siegetanks able to siege for 3rd to hit a gas in the main or something.
I think the idea about the maps is; Use the MLG versions if they are available, otherwise ladder - however, if there is a ESL, IEM or WCG or whatever version of the map and both players are comfortable using that particular map version. It doesn't matter.
Am I right, Maynarde?
Hey guys! First lot of games went pretty well last night, was happy to see some crazy BSG games. Had to cast the first hour or so of ToR v QED myself which was good fun but looked like it might have been a bit laggy and I think my mic was peaking out a bit. Oh wells! Installed Xsplit and started streaming for the first time all within 20 minutes with no prior knowledge so it was always gonna be terrible haha.
I will be updating the OP with the results etc, and also just to clarify againt the current map rule is basically what ChadMann said in the post above. MLG versions where applicable, if there is no MLG version of that map use ladder version. But if you prefer IPL / ESL version then go for it I don't care
Hey guys! First lot of games went pretty well last night, was happy to see some crazy BSG games. Had to cast the first hour or so of ToR v QED myself which was good fun but looked like it might have been a bit laggy and I think my mic was peaking out a bit. Oh wells! Installed Xsplit and started streaming for the first time all within 20 minutes with no prior knowledge so it was always gonna be terrible haha.
I will be updating the OP with the results etc, and also just to clarify againt the current map rule is basically what ChadMann said in the post above. MLG versions where applicable, if there is no MLG version of that map use ladder version. But if you prefer IPL / ESL version then go for it I don't care
Dont be so hard on yourself Maynarde, everyone has problems to begin with. .
Your streaming was some of the better i've ever heard, you and frogmite go together well, you should attempt to become a partnership man. seriously.
YAY The Clanless are holding their own against KA.
We're still going to win though. But i'll give a nice 2nd to the Clanless :P
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
Week 1 is complete and it went off without a hitch! I was really happy with how smoothly everything ran and I'd like to thank the admins and team managers for a job well done. Loving the new format, saw a player from every league during week 1 matches and not a single walk over. This is what I wanted
Just letting you all know that the Results and Standings have been updated in the OP as well as the challonge bracket which you should ALL be checking right now to organize this weeks matches (if Thursday night isn't good for you).
Week 1 is complete and it went off without a hitch! I was really happy with how smoothly everything ran and I'd like to thank the admins and team managers for a job well done. Loving the new format, saw a player from every league during week 1 matches and not a single walk over. This is what I wanted
Just letting you all know that the Results and Standings have been updated in the OP as well as the challonge bracket which you should ALL be checking right now to organize this weeks matches (if Thursday night isn't good for you).
Peace out
Hey yeah, looks like everything is going well and I hope all are having a fun time! Also, just want to know week 2 starting map? Practice sessions start now for my team - get on the in game chat channel!!
Hey yeah, looks like everything is going well and I hope all are having a fun time! Also, just want to know week 2 starting map? Practice sessions start now for my team - get on the in game chat channel!!
Clanless for second! Yaaay.
I would also like to know the 2nd round map.
Congratulations on a successful week everyone!
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
Can you please switch freakybeeky from team A to team B to even it up. Captains will still be Halstrom (playing) and myself (not playing) - will let you know if there is a perma captain for team B.
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
I'm glad I gave u an entreating match to cast Maynard, though I might stand aside this week to give the clan a chance of winning lol
I saw you play and you played very well, just be wary of drops next time Don't feel bad at all cause one person has to lose the first game. Next time it won't be you
Won't be on tonight, sudden 'commitments' popped up sigh.
TAMahonanida will be replacing me for captaincy tonight as hes the only one ive been able to contact on short notice.
Im unsure if TA will have a full lineup tonight and as such we may need to reschedule our game.
With me out, TAEaeron out due to becoming a daddy on Monday (congrats to him) and I believe TABag swamped with work bleeding into home life we might not make the cut.
The_Jackal_43@hotmail.com is my msn, managers / captains please add me if you wish to, would make easier!
Cheers and GLHF
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Hello beautiful BSG-ers! Just an update for you all:
First of all, the TCP and The Clanless match up is going to be restarted from the game EvilSWAT got eliminated in due to what discovered to be smurfing. It was decided by the leaders of TCP and The Clanless to do this instead of taking straight wins due to the spirit of competition and I salute them both for reorganizing the games.
Another reasonably important update; I'm gonna be in America for about 3 weeks! This basically means I won't be AS active on SC2sea as I usually am, but I will be taking my laptop to the States so I am going to continue administrating this thread and updating games whilst overseas. I trust the admin team to do a good job while I'm away and organize matches with the clan leaders, so please hit up ToRSynizta, TCPfrogmite or TAEdarus for your BSGCL queries as I most likely won't be active enough to give an immediate response.
I also ask admins and players alike to leave PMs in my SC2sea inbox with game results! I need to not only know final score but who beat who! Check Synizta's post above this one to see the format I like
Cheers for your understanding, sorry Frog for leaving you to cast alone for a few weeks
Hello beautiful BSG-ers! Just an update for you all:
First of all, the TCP and The Clanless match up is going to be restarted from the game EvilSWAT got eliminated in due to what discovered to be smurfing. It was decided by the leaders of TCP and The Clanless to do this instead of taking straight wins due to the spirit of competition and I salute them both for reorganizing the games.
Another reasonably important update; I'm gonna be in America for about 3 weeks! This basically means I won't be AS active on SC2sea as I usually am, but I will be taking my laptop to the States so I am going to continue administrating this thread and updating games whilst overseas. I trust the admin team to do a good job while I'm away and organize matches with the clan leaders, so please hit up ToRSynizta, TCPfrogmite or TAEdarus for your BSGCL queries as I most likely won't be active enough to give an immediate response.
I also ask admins and players alike to leave PMs in my SC2sea inbox with game results! I need to not only know final score but who beat who! Check Synizta's post above this one to see the format I like
Cheers for your understanding, sorry Frog for leaving you to cast alone for a few weeks
Hey... Just wanted to add in to the TCP v Clanless .. thing.. its not something that anyone was aware of before the match.. and taking free wins for disqualification isn't in the spirit of this league... It all good now - and there was even a TCP and Clanless multi player laddering after the event as a sign of friendship! .. nawwww....
Anyway, just wondering if you have picked a map for week 3? The Clanless waste no time in prep for what will probably be the hardest match up of the season vs KA.
Good luck to the rest of the teams for your games this week and your practice!!
Week 3 map will be MLG Shattered Temple! Didn't see any games on it during TCP v Clanless OR FaDe A v TA so now you're forced to! Mwahaha. Won't change the OP until the other match ups are finished
Guys another update! This one less friendly than the others.
It's week 2 of BSGCL, and we've caught 3 people smurfing / losing on purpose for whatever reason whether it be portrait farming or they wanna be the big fish in a little pond I don't really care. The point is, we've caught them and they're banned from any future SC2sea BSGCL or any BSG tournament forever.
Not going to name and shame anyone, I am going to ask team managers as a homework assignment to go through their player lists and check their match history. Go back a few weeks, it's really easy. If you see that the player has a bunch of losses that are only a few seconds / minutes long then it's cause for suspicion, come forward with this information IMMEDIATELY. The admins of BSGCL are mostly busy people can we can't police this ourselves so we're asking for your help to keep the integrity of this league.
Hopefully the consequences are completely clear I know most of the team managers are active SC2sea users, the ones that aren't I'll contact seperately. It's going to be up to them to make sure their team are legitimate BSG players, and if I or any other admin finds a smurf in a couple week's time not only are we gonna ban that player from anything BSG related, we will think twice before allowing that team to enter the BSGCL next season. There won't be a single penalty AT ALL if the team manager or smurfing player comes forward and reports it other than the immediate removal of that player.
I understand that this might seem harsh, please understand I'm a nice guy but the other admins and I work very hard to create a good and fair product for the BSG community. Smurfing is NOT fair on the community. I love this community and I for one won't tolerate it for a second.
bump cause it couldnt find it on the homepage :P tht and just a little reminder to renew the tables! :O if im not mistaken Maynarde is still away so just wondering if any of the other BSGCL admins cld update tables?
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Proud to be Nunquam redono, nunquam deditionem
So, Clanless and KA are tied for 1st... and we play you this week Chadmann. Decides who will top the ladder.
BRING IT, THE CHAD!
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
bump cause it couldnt find it on the homepage :P tht and just a little reminder to renew the tables! :O if im not mistaken Maynarde is still away so just wondering if any of the other BSGCL admins cld update tables?
I'm sill on the ball for the thread mate! It's updated
A reminder for all teams to check profiles of their players before playing this week, smurfing will not be tolerated. We catch one, that guy / girl is going down and his team will be accountable. Needless to say the other team will be given a free win and the other team will be rewarded with a big fat zero and minus one player.
Good luck and have fun guys for Week 3 much love from LA.
Once this season of BSGCL is concluded, i will going on hiatus as an admin and also will no longer be doing the management side of ToR's BSGCL team once the season is completed.
Hi guys i'm planning to do a write up for some of the BSG matches weekly. I'm not a professional writer or in any kind an accomplished writer, I just love to write and I want to try writing recaps for some of the BSG matches.
So far i'm writing about FaDe A vs bTd but due to time constraints, I wont be able to write on every match. but if you do have vods of the matches, do link them to me and i will try to do a write up on them. This is experimental though so I would appreciate tips and anything that can improve on my writing
The reason why im doing this is because I think theres potential for SC2SEA scene to grow and hopefully this will provide more entertainment and a little spark of motivation for the BSGers to improve. if your team has already vsed FaDe A, dont worry i believe theres home and away matches so your team will get an opportunity to be in my articles as well
BSGers fighting!
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Very nice article but can i know the final score of BtD vs FaDe A? It's not that i want to spoil the rest of the article, but it is better for the admins if they know the result of the game. Unless teams want a double-walkover
Very nice article but can i know the final score of BtD vs FaDe A? It's not that i want to spoil the rest of the article, but it is better for the admins if they know the result of the game. Unless teams want a double-walkover
Giving a heads up to everyone and an apology at the same time...
I'm currently homeless living on a couch without internet so my only access currently is my tablet / when I'm at work.
Naturally i'm working to find myself a place to live ASAP and once I do i'll be getting net connection sorted as a priority - from there I should be active again as an Admin.
Sorry once again guys, unforeseen circumstances are a b1tch.
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Ah shit man. Don't worry about it. Hope everything gets better for you soon.
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
I really don't like the fact that teams are changing their minds a few minutes before they are meant to play or even while they're meant to be playing. SO, guess what that means? If you guessed "new rule" your're right!
The new rule is as follows; if you plan to reschedule OR don't know if you have a full team for the default play night, do so 24 hours before the default play day. If you do not, there will be consequences in the form of walkover. This rule has come upon the request of teams who organize to arrive at a certain time which is often the only time they can make it, and then their opponents can't play for last minute reasons.
Obviously if the reason for the last minute rematch is a really good one, or the managers are happy to reschedule then it's ok, but PLEASE don't arrive at 8pm AEDT Thursday night and ask for your reschedule cause you won't get it.
Sorry guys trying hard to get this thing balanced. Feel free to voice your opinions, I personally don't see a down side to this but I didn't see a downside till to the "Bronze plays first" rule till y'all picked it apart lol.
ALSO! Important: Frogmite will now be the thread owner until I get back. It's getting hard moving from place to place in America right now to manage this thing with efficiency. I WILL BE BACK though on November 7th to take over. Keep the updates in this thread or PM results to him for now, I'm happy to answer any PMs as well but the replies might take a while
Update will come shortly guys, I don't have much time right now. I'm going to give the thread to Frogmite until I get back so that he can put in the results and stuff like that. In the mean time check out the challonge bracket for results.
Guys, very important notice, all the players for Week 4 must have completed their season 4 placement matches. I would like to kindly remember the rules as well concerning promotions/demotion:
A / promoted to is still considered /
A // promoted to is considered as (so can't play for first two matches)
A // promoted to is no longer authorized to play in the BSGCL season.
A demoted to is still considered
A demoted to is considered as a smurf
Post in the thread as well if some of your players got promoted/demoted.
Froggy, KA actually beat The Clanless 4-2 not 4-3 as it says in the OP.
Just being a stickler so we're that one extra point ahead of Fade A :P
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
Oh no... I was just going to quote my post asking to sub mazei into the clanless team (making him our 12th player) but I couldn't find it.. I'm almost certain I wrote it.. because I started to write it as I watch his first game..
Now I can't find it. and Maz just got platinum promotion. it was either a sc2sea.com glitch or a misclick from me.. but i'm positive I started a replay to sub him in while he was still gold.
If its still possible I'd like to sub him in.. he's only just taken his promotion MazEi i'll get his CC later on... and I have pm's from him dated to when he was gold asking to join...
I'll accept if he is not permitted to join - as the written sub request was made after his promotion.. but I feel bad that he has been practising with us - but will miss out on playing.. T_T
I hope the next week's result update is more detail then this week.
Yep, i am updating all the Results tab, i would like also the winning team to post on this thread the results of their games with the details so it'll be easier for me to update .
Can someone post or pm me the details for week 3 for KA vs Clanless and TA vs FaDe B?
Frog I'll need to find a way to have a chat with you tonight regarding the TA games, apparently an issue has popped up which we need to discuss.
Fair warning from me, I'm trying to get myself online tonight however I have a team meeting at work from 7pm-8pm, then have to go and pick up my roomy / person-whos-letting-me-sleep-at-their-house-while-im-homeless from their work, THEN set up my PC and steal their net to be on... So yeah, challenges ahead!
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-Terror Australis SEACL T5 Team Captain.
Just notice the team Roster section on the OP makes it look like Spazz in in TA - he is in Clanless.. and please admin get back to me about my previous post (on page 6) about the MazEi sub. thanks.
Just notice the team Roster section on the OP makes it look like Spazz in in TA - he is in Clanless.. and please admin get back to me about my previous post (on page 6) about the MazEi sub. thanks.
Hey man, i am very sorry but to make it more fair for everyone, if there is no evidence of asking Mazei for a sub, i can't let him be subbed now as he is platinum. If you can find me a request PM then i'll sub him.
Sorry buddy
Please remove Artanis from ToR,
I caught him saying he was dropping games to get demoted to bronze.
I checked match history his tanked games were yesterday, he was gold or soemthing back to bronze now, but im not taking any risks with the smurf stuff.
KA 3 vs QED 1 TheTallOne(T) > Cottonmouth (Z)
TheTallOne (T) < Krrn(P) Falcon (T) > Krrn (P) Falcon (T) > QEDJenkins (Z) Falcon (T) > ??? Last player never logged on
Clanless promotions so far (a few haven't done their placement)..
Goldie (UpWaiting) to
Incognito to
Bash to
Just a note - Originally after applying to join our team Goldie couldn't be added or found by us... Turns out that he changed his name to UpWaiting - PM the player for clarification but the account Goldie.520 no longer exists - its UpWaiting.???
I'm pretty sure I've posted about this earlier.. but I want to clarify the players name change so there are no confusions.
Also, Please cheer on Avenger and Incognito.. They havent been training or playing much SC2 lately - because they or both in practice for a Halo tournament worth $10,000... good luck to them both - word is Avenger is one of the top favourites to win.. but a big international guy called Walshy (??) is going to be there and stands as the main favourite!..
Great achievement by these guys - they are focused and competitive gamers that perform really well for our team!
word is Avenger is one of the top favourites to win.. but a big international guy called Walshy (??) is going to be there and stands as the main favourite!..
Oh and congrats to all those promoted for this season! For all you platinum players, get out of this BSG Section and rock out the Plat/Diamond league!! :P
Will there be any games this week? I've not had the opportunity to log into the SC2 realm much the past week so I'm kinda out of touch heh.
Evil.. there are games every week!.. you know that..
where you been son?
We're playing this Thursday night at 8pm at this stage.. if you can make it?.. otherwise next week you can play and we'll play the match on the weekend?... cause thats best timing for you, right?...
I updated the OP with the results and the map for week 5. Do someone know anything about BtD and TA game?
Another thing, when you add a player in your roster can you please inform the admin so we can keep track of what's going on, thanks
> SrCheeseAlot.??? added to FaDe B.
FaDe B it was your last substitution for this season.
Furthermore, TCP have been awarded a 4-0 loss because one of the player aligned had a lot of tanking loss. Managers, please check the match history of all your players, we don't want players to purposely lose games to remain in BSG.
And a last thing: DONT FORGET TO DO YOUR SEASON 4 PLACEMENT MATCHES. Players promoted to diamond are not allowed to play in BSGCL anymore.
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Evil.. there are games every week!.. you know that..
where you been son?
We're playing this Thursday night at 8pm at this stage.. if you can make it?.. otherwise next week you can play and we'll play the match on the weekend?... cause thats best timing for you, right?...
Hahah I posted that cos I couldn't find the page for Week 5's matches. I knew I shouldn't have eaten that week-old Doner Kebab, its playing tricks on my mind.
Actually I've taken leave from work this week, so yes I can play this Thursday! Actually, if Frog would allow me, I would wish to be able to co-cast a few games with him too. (Cos I know everybody loves to hear a Frenchman and a Singaporean duke it out in a Battle of the Accents, while 90% of the viewers are Aussie lololol xD )
Hahah I posted that cos I couldn't find the page for Week 5's matches. I knew I shouldn't have eaten that week-old Doner Kebab, its playing tricks on my mind.
Actually I've taken leave from work this week, so yes I can play this Thursday! Actually, if Frog would allow me, I would wish to be able to co-cast a few games with him too. (Cos I know everybody loves to hear a Frenchman and a Singaporean duke it out in a Battle of the Accents, while 90% of the viewers are Aussie lololol xD )
Hahaha.. yeah well that is if Frog casts our games... he's cast quite a few of our matches... :P
Clanless v TA - should be a good match!..
also an update on one of my earlier posts, orginally talking about me taking a break sc2, at end of the season. infact, that will NOT be the case. i will be around still, but reletively quiet as a player, but still fulfilling admin and manager duties, untill i get a new keyboard, then i'll be around a ton more.
Anyway,
GOOD LUCK, HAVE FUN! to everyone for the 5th week!
Lets hope this week, no smurfs ruin anyones fun.
I updated the OP with the results and the map for week 5. Do someone know anything about BtD and TA game?
In regards to this, as far as I am aware TA had one representative online on Thursday @ 8PM
Not sure if BTD did, however both Edarus and I were waiting in the wings if we were to play that night, we just were not online at the time, due to other commitments.
In regards to this, as far as I am aware TA had one representative online on Thursday @ 8PM
Not sure if BTD did, however both Edarus and I were waiting in the wings if we were to play that night, we just were not online at the time, due to other commitments.
Yes, ^ that's effectively what the case last week for TA vs BtD.
i also did ask the TA player on (can't remember a name, sorry) to try and get it played at some point, since games have untill wensday of the following week to be played.
In this case, it would expected to be done by tommrow.
But since that's probably unlikely, I will speak with froggy and any other admin on, to see what should be for in terms of TA vs BtD.
Mahonanida would've been the player on at the time (can understand why the name is hard to remember :P)
Both him and I had been speaking with Edarus in regards to the games to be played.
I have been on most nights, over the past week and can probably try to organise with Interdiction as to when the games can be played if that is the case.
I should (child may intervene) be on tonight and may also be able to organise the rest of the team to play the games tonight if Interdiction is able to do the same thing.
Mahonanida would've been the player on at the time (can understand why the name is hard to remember :P)
Both him and I had been speaking with Edarus in regards to the games to be played.
I have been on most nights, over the past week and can probably try to organise with Interdiction as to when the games can be played if that is the case.
I should (child may intervene) be on tonight and may also be able to organise the rest of the team to play the games tonight if Interdiction is able to do the same thing.
Yeah that's the name. lol. xD
but yeah, if you get the games organised vs BtD, would be aweosme.
I don't think players would be too keen on missing a weeks worth of games, imho.
Is there any additional ways to get in contact with Interdiction to get this organised, currently at work so no access to SC2
uhh, im not too sure if he has a sc2ea account, i'd presume he does. check the OP or post after OP for a link to it, if one.
And i know he has skype. but im at at TAFE currently, so i can't get his skype details.
If anybody needs to get in contact with me, my email address should be in my profile and happy to be added to MSN to make it easier.
I will do all I can to help organise the TA games moving forward, Edarus is still the captain, but is on less these days!
Hey.. just a question about the 4-0 ruling for smurfing or no shows etc...
If one team causes the infraction - its fair that they are punished for what ever reason with the loss and possible -4 points..
However the winning team receives +4 and a win.. which is a big deal...
Otherteams around them on the standings might miss out of a finals spot based on points because of it..
Basically.. a -4 loss is a punishment to the team that caused the infraction. Whereas +4 win is a punishment to all the other teams on the ladder.
How can you fix this? - give the winning team no points?.. or only +2? I dunno.. but +4 really throws off the ladder.. As most teams are winning 4-2 or 4-3 thats two or more weeks of games just to catch up.. assuming the other team doesn't get any wins!..
It's a tricky one I think in the fact that the team that showed up on time don't get any points, which could have the same effect (finals spots) you would hate to miss the 4th position because you didn't play a team that you would've won 4-3 instead of 0 - -4.
If every team had a W/O it would be a problem.
Last season this wasn't an issue as there were a good amount of all kills anyway. With a much more competitive league I agree with Chad that a 4-0 can make a giant difference. Perhaps a default 4-2 can be given, as that's about the average match score through this season.
I was thinking that for smurfed games, the scoreline gets frozen at the game where the smurfers enters the match.
For example..
Scenario 1: If Team A was beating Team B 2-1, then a smurfer from Team B comes in, I recommend the scores be locked at 4-1, as it gives credit to that 1 player from Team B who won his game genuinely.
Scenario 2: If Team B played with a smurf as their first player and he scored an all-kill, then the score be recorded as 4-0 as Team B did not genuinely win any games.
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As for no-shows, I recommend a 1-0 score to the winning team. A 4-2 scoreline implies that the no-show team won 2 matches, which isn't the case at all.
I was thinking that for smurfed games, the scoreline gets frozen at the game where the smurfers enters the match.
For example..
Scenario 1: If Team A was beating Team B 2-1, then a smurfer from Team B comes in, I recommend the scores be locked at 4-1, as it gives credit to that 1 player from Team B who won his game genuinely.
Scenario 2: If Team B played with a smurf as their first player and he scored an all-kill, then the score be recorded as 4-0 as Team B did not genuinely win any games.
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As for no-shows, I recommend a 1-0 score to the winning team. A 4-2 scoreline implies that the no-show team won 2 matches, which isn't the case at all.
the 4-2 is less about the wins or losses.. but the point difference that a team gets from it..
so.. instead of thinking of it as 4-2.. its +2 point difference... since is a midpoint.. if the match was played out properly it might have ended in a loss for the team getting +2... and I'm sure most of the captains would agree.. if at the start of the match you were offered a 4-2 win.. you'd take it.. rather than play it out and get a loss or 4-3 win...
And as most teams currently are winning 4-2 and 4-3 a +2 points for a walk over would be fair and along those lines..
And at the end of the day, if my team misses out on a playoff spot over 2 points.. that another team were given +4 for a walk over giving them the lead over our team.. that would be very disappointing.. and in the end.. punish my team, not just the team with the infraction to cause the walk over.
Then we should agree on a 2-0 score. As I mentioned, 4-2 gives the impression that the no-show team won 2 games. Giving a 2-0 score gives the no-show team absolutely no advantage ("Hey I don't wanna play against Clanless, they're gonna 4-0 all-kill us anyway, let's no show and score 2 games, at least we got something"), while the team who showed up still gets a +2 games advantage.
Then we should agree on a 2-0 score. As I mentioned, 4-2 gives the impression that the no-show team won 2 games. Giving a 2-0 score gives the no-show team absolutely no advantage ("Hey I don't wanna play against Clanless, they're gonna 4-0 all-kill us anyway, let's no show and score 2 games, at least we got something"), while the team who showed up still gets a +2 games advantage.
no no... the team causing the penalty should be given a -4 to points.. (simulating a 0-4)... where as the winning team should only receive a +2... doesn't matter about the 2 in a 4-2... its just a -2... its all about the difference between both numbers...
anyway, I think the penalty is fine at 0-4 loss... just the benefit for the other team punishes all the other teams in the league...
if that makes sense?
My proposition, -4 points for the infraction (no show, smurf, etc) and +2 to the team vsing the penalised team... To use the ToR v TCP game for example... TCP are penalised -4 as if there was a 0-4 loss. and ToR are given a few win and +2.... seems fair to me and doesn't damage the other teams chances of climbing the ladder... Thats my opinion anyway, I'm sure the admin guys will put in their own...
This is a very hard issue to solve IMO. As others said +4 is unfair to all other teams. On the other hand, +0 would be unfair to that team because that means their game didn't count at all. Also, +2 might not work because what if Team A had the ability to all-kill Team B but since Team B didn't show up they didn't get the points?
Thanks for highlighting this matter
The BSGCL admin team is currently discussing the matter.
We'll post our reply/update the rules section once we all agree on the best decision for the BSGCL.
But for now, week fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!
Re: BtD vs TA I don't think anyone was contacted for a reschedule after they no-showed on the night. I will try and get some of the BSG players to hang out in the BSGCL channel in the off chance they are online tonight otherwise not sure, might have to talk to the acting captain for that night (Mahonanida) to find out what the appropriate steps are.
___________________________________ Brendan "TAdeL" Ferguson Clan TA | Twitter | YouTube
Re: BtD vs TA I don't think anyone was contacted for a reschedule after they no-showed on the night. I will try and get some of the BSG players to hang out in the BSGCL channel in the off chance they are online tonight otherwise not sure, might have to talk to the acting captain for that night (Mahonanida) to find out what the appropriate steps are.
Hey Mate,
Sent Interdiction a PM on this last night to see if we could reschedule the matches for this week, haven't been able to get in contact with him regarding a reschedule.
Yes Mahonanida was on, but both Ed and I were waiting in the wings if the games were to be played.
Have been talking with Syn over here and via pm to determine if there was a dept or acting capt for BTD, but we haven't been able to work out anything yet.
I have been on most nights to see if BTD are on, to no avail so far.
Sent Interdiction a PM on this last night to see if we could reschedule the matches for this week, haven't been able to get in contact with him regarding a reschedule.
Yes Mahonanida was on, but both Ed and I were waiting in the wings if the games were to be played.
Have been talking with Syn over here and via pm to determine if there was a dept or acting capt for BTD, but we haven't been able to work out anything yet.
I have been on most nights to see if BTD are on, to no avail so far.
Let me know what's happening
Eaeron
femFxRogue was online and ready too!
___________________________________ Brendan "TAdeL" Ferguson Clan TA | Twitter | YouTube
TA v BtD looks like a W/O to me... but I think it requires special consideration because the TA captain hasn't been available much the last few weeks either... Tricky one I guess..
deL - you ganna cast your team losing this week?... ;-) 's
TA v BtD looks like a W/O to me... but I think it requires special consideration because the TA captain hasn't been available much the last few weeks either... Tricky one I guess..
deL - you ganna cast your team losing this week?... ;-) 's
I will be studying ;(
___________________________________ Brendan "TAdeL" Ferguson Clan TA | Twitter | YouTube
From the ruling , i'm afraid u can't join a clan unless there's a clan that wants to sub a player and they want you to be their sub..
Correct me if i'm wrong.
Call me biased, but I think that means we had a full team v no team, which to me classifies as a W/O in TA's favour.
Happy if the other teams don't want this to be the case.
Hey.. Just a heads up - My big brother is coming to visit me... awww.. so tomorrow I might not be around for the match vs TA.. or I'll be late.. either way, if I'm not there, SmokyMcPot will be the stand in captain for the night.. and knows the players to pick etc. Hopefully I'll make it though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by suman
Is it too late for me to join a team and play?
As I said bro, you can join us if you want mate... ;-) forging an alliance after our epic battle...
I would also like to know, is someone a cheater? :P
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Azz had a chance at this one point in the game where he had a nexus and 6 probes. But he found a way to **** it up from there 3 times in a row - Iaguz
There was an indicdent with the last game some fairly hefty BM, amongst a couple other things, Frogmite will post about it later today on whats going to be done and such.
There was an indicdent with the last game some fairly hefty BM, amongst a couple other things, Frogmite will post about it later today on whats going to be done and such.
Ahh ok, that doesn't sound good!
Looking forward to the post from Frogmite
There was an indicdent with the last game some fairly hefty BM, amongst a couple other things, Frogmite will post about it later today on whats going to be done and such.
When the decision is posted - there is no need for further comment from either team. Members of my team will receive a warning with repeat offences resulting in their removal of the team. This matter will be finalised by the admins - and their decision will be final.
Arguments between players about the decision, will not be tolerated. The situation is difficult enough, don't be a child and refrain from commenting.
I have given my feedback to Frogmite just then via Sc2sea.com PM, So, expect within a couple of hours a post from Frogmite, explaining what will be happening.
And yes what frogmite posts on the situation, he and I both agreed on and will be the final descison on the case.
Its good to see the mature stance taken by Chad and the wider playerbase. Regardless of the outcome i'm proud the players are making a good showing for the community here.
Sorry I had to bail last night too, stealing other people's internet and electricity I'm trying to minimise my impact to their bills!
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It has been decided by the admins that the last game between Minimat vs Random for the TA vs Clanless week 5 game, will be re-played at the following date/time:
Date: 8th November 2011 Time: 8PM AEDT
Score 3-3, Clanless to choose for the map.
The problem is certainly not easy to solve, but this decision has been taken with all the inputs needed to clarify the situation.
Don't forget there are two more games for BSGCL tonight, ToR vs KA and TCP vs VB
Hi guys! Just lettin y'all know I'm back on the 7th of November at around 3:30 AEDT so feel free to PM again and fill in on the BSGCL happenings etc. I read the thread as much as I could overseas so I think I got the gist of it, I also think from what I've seen Froggie has been doing a pretty good job Much love to the admins for keeping the league as cruisy as possible in my absence.
Have seen a few problems, some serious and some not so much. The serious ones are gonna be addressed by all the admins when we can sit down and talk together so I ask everyone to engage their patience glands while we try to nut out an experience that's as fun and fair as possible.
Much love to you all from the US of A. Been a fun trip, but looking forward to returning to my beautiful motherland and favourite forum. See you soon lovelies
Can't wait to have you back Maynard, on the other note great work all the admins for this season working hard so far and doing a great job much props to u all.
If you ever need an extra hand I'm avaiable. Go QeD this week .
This message is adressed to Brother Till Death team.
You've missed commitment on your last two games. A third walkover in a row will result in a
season 2 BAN
for your team. We quite understand that the team leader is abroad but so far nobody received any request to delay/postpone games. In a result all the team will get a 4-0 walkover vs BtD, even the teams that already played, so it will be more fair for all the teams.
I sincerely hope you can play on thursday vs Clanless, as it would hurt me to remove one team from the BSGCL
Hey guys. Just an fyi for this week, Frog and I won't be able to cast tonight's games We may however be able to cast on a different night to make up for it!
In regards to BtD no shows, it appears there was a bit of confusion between the team leaders. They are keen to play, but have been arriving on a night that they assumed was their default and not contacting the other teams! If you're up against BtD, contact SutomuNinja to schedule your match. It looks like Saturdays are going to continue to be the best day for them.
Hey yo - Message to BtD - Anyway, this weeks BSG CL match is okay for Friday night, either 8pm or 9 is fine - but let me know if you want to organise a different time.
Saturday doesn't suit our team.. and *maybe* we can make Sunday... Any other day/time please - someone from BtD contact me in this thread or PM me... otherwise our team will be on Friday at 8?....
[R] Punchy vs [Z] TCPKrycek - Nerazim Crypts
[P] Byrnsy vs [Z] TCPKrycek - Shattered Temple
[P] Byrnsy vs [P] Saranghae - MLG Tal'Dariam Altar
[P] Byrnsy vs vs [T] TCPOrb - Antiuga Shipyards.
[Z] Fullstop vs [T] TCPOrb - Metaloplis
[Z] Fullstop vs [P] TCPDeathWing - Metaloplis
TA 2-4 QED
[Z] TAEaeron vs [Z] cottonmouth - Nerazim Crypts
[Z] TAEaeron vs [Z] Krrn - Shattered Temple
[Z] TAEaeron vs [P] Fridge - Shattered Temple
[Z] FemFXRogue vs [P] Fridge - Shakuras Plateau.
[Z] Choros vs [P] Fridge - Tal'Dariam Altar.
[P] Sunrise vs [P] Fridge - Metaloplis
FaDe A 4-1 ToR
[T] Rezyn vs [Z] Uglymutt - Nerazim Crypts
[Z] Ricochet vs [Z] Uglymutt Antiuga Shipyard.
[Z] Ricochet vs [T] ToRZorBa - Abyssal Caverns.
[Z] Ricochet vs [P] ToRSynzita - MLG Xel'Naga Caverns.
[Z] Ricochet vs [T] Spook - Metaloplis
BtD vs Clanless, as far i was told from both sides, are trying to reschulede, not sure when that reschulde will be though.
On the side note;
I don't think i should have to do this, but can managers PLEASE take the initiate and give the admin the results of a game after EVERY game as well as the new player, race AND map, without the admin asking, would make it easier on all of us.
Thanks guys.
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Twitter = @my3dSynizta
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[R] Punchy vs [Z] TCPKrycek - Nerazim Crypts
[P] Byrnsy vs [Z] TCPKrycek - Shattered Temple
[P] Byrnsy vs [P] Saranghae - MLG Tal'Dariam Altar
[P] Byrnsy vs vs [T] TCPOrb - Antiuga Shipyards.
[Z] Fullstop vs [T] TCPOrb - Metaloplis
[Z] Fullstop vs [P] TCPDeathWing - Metaloplis
TA 2-4 QED
[Z] TAEaeron vs [Z] cottonmouth - Nerazim Crypts
[Z] TAEaeron vs [P] Krrn - Shattered Temple
[Z] TAEaeron vs [P] Fridge - Shattered Temple
[Z] FemFXRogue vs [P] Fridge - Shakuras Plateau.
[Z] Choros vs [P] Fridge - Tal'Dariam Altar.
[P] Sunrise vs [P] Fridge - Metaloplis
FaDe A 4-1 ToR
[T] Rezyn vs [Z] Uglymutt - Nerazim Crypts
[Z] Ricochet vs [Z] Uglymutt Antiuga Shipyard.
[Z] Ricochet vs [T] ToRZorBa - Abyssal Caverns.
[Z] Ricochet vs [P] ToRSynzita - MLG Xel'Naga Caverns.
[Z] Ricochet vs [T] Spook - Metaloplis
BtD vs Clanless, as far i was told from both sides, are trying to reschulede, not sure when that reschulde will be though.
On the side note;
I don't think i should have to do this, but can managers PLEASE take the initiate and give the admin the results of a game after EVERY game as well as the new player, race AND map, without the admin asking, would make it easier on all of us.
Thanks guys.
Not sure if this matters but my game against Krrn was a ZvZ not ZvP
It will be very appreciated if the team manager that won the game post the result of their game in this thread. It requires a bit of effort i agree, but it helps the admin a lot, as it's quite a headache sometimes to get the results.
For example if team A won against team B i would like to see team A manager posting something like that:
Oh yeah, now that I'm back I suppose I could take over this BSGCL Season 2 and/or online dating thread again but Frog has done a great job over the past few weeks I'd feel bad for taking it away from him.
Thanks to all for the results posted in this thread .
It makes the task so much easier for me. The OP had been updated with the latests results, and with the map of week 7 too.
Week 7:
Abyssal Caverns
Maynarde, i don't mind if you want to take back the ownership of the thread
wow. 1 loss up on Fade A.... this is going to be a tense finish to the season! Come on KA! Good luck Fade A!
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
just re-raising the issue around 4-0 walk overs... the 4-0 score gives the winning team a significant advantage over other teams in the standings.
My opinion is walkovers should result in 4-2 (for no shows) and for cheating, the losing team should receive a 0-4 loss, but the winning team should get a 4-2 win.. as the 4-0 win unfairly disadvantages other teams in the standings. Thats my opinion.. but I think other opinions should be offered so we can all work out a fair ruling for this.
just re-raising the issue around 4-0 walk overs... the 4-0 score gives the winning team a significant advantage over other teams in the standings.
My opinion is walkovers should result in 4-2 (for no shows) and for cheating, the losing team should receive a 0-4 loss, but the winning team should get a 4-2 win.. as the 4-0 win unfairly disadvantages other teams in the standings. Thats my opinion.. but I think other opinions should be offered so we can all work out a fair ruling for this.
Hey man, we hadn't forgotten there has been discussion regarding this between the admins.
Basically the decision at the moment is to keep it the same. Walkovers are 4-0 because the other team isn't winning any games. Obviously, there can be mitigating circumstances where a few players arrive but there isn't quite a full team or not enough silvers present in which case single games can be walked over. For example; got no silvers? Give 2 wins to the other team, and start playing your Golds.
Compared to other leagues, the BSGCL is extremely lenient, as it allows a full week to play out a match up. This exists to avoid walkovers completely. The BtD walk over situations for instance were very unfortunate but they have admitted it was a miscommunication within their ranks, and have paid the price by getting 0's. I imagine after that it won't happen again.
We have been discussing another way to distribute points to help with "unfair advantages" from walk overs and such, but if there are indeed going to be any changes they'll happen next season. We're coming up on Week 7 and think the window to implement any more rule changes has pretty much closed. In regards to next season and what you posted about cheaters; those teams caught with smurfs won't just be getting 0 next season, their smurfing players will be removed and they will either be forced to sub or be removed from the league. We're gonna make that crystal clear in the OP for Season 3. Smurfing is completely 100% not tolerated as it compromises the legitimacy of the league.
As mentioned a few times by myself in this thread; this tournament is for the BSG community, it's for the people. If the people aren't happy we of course want to accommodate and keep this league as fair and fun as possible. None of us are doing this for any reason other than our love of the community and SC2. Hope you understand mate.
Good news is; no smurfing or walkovers (except for one individual game) last week! Hopefully this continues. Everyone is entitled to offer suggestions and opinions regarding the current seasons rules in order to make the next one even better, so please feel free to continue doing so. I promise you will be answered
Yeah I agree - the only reason I think a ruling for this is that the two teams that have received 4-0s are the two teams either side of mine in the standings - and I would be very disappointed on missing out on playoffs because another team didn't show up one week.
Additionally - I'm of the belief that this league is all about fun (and I think most of us are enjoying our weekly games quite alot?) and fun from playing the games - which is why i've been adamant in all occasions that my team have been in situations where walkovers for cheating or no shows - that all opportunities be given to the other teams to rematch, reschedule or do what ever is needed for us to play out our games.
My opinion (and of course - it is only my opinion)...
bTd should be given the chance to reschedule their missed games as they were particular circumstances that the rest of the team are being punished for that they were naive about.
Anyway, Thanks again to the admins and all the players of this league - Myself and my team have really enjoyed it. there have been some great games!
and everyone, gl hf in the last three matches!!
Also, just noticed on the brackets that FaDe B are actually 3-3 not 4-2...?
Is that wrong? I just did 3 weeks of updates for the Challonge brackets over the weekend based off the results in the thread. Hope I didn't get it wrong T_T
Is that wrong? I just did 3 weeks of updates for the Challonge brackets over the weekend based off the results in the thread. Hope I didn't get it wrong T_T
brackets and weekly results suggest 3-3 is correct... but i have no idea... :S
It is 4-2, because there were a re-match TA vs FaDe B due to eskimo smurfing case. Originally they lost to TA but after the rematch, FaDe B won the game, so they are 4-2 now.
You can have a look at their match history in the OP, they won 4 games and lost 2.
It is 4-2, because there were a re-match TA vs FaDe B due to eskimo smurfing case. Originally they lost to TA but after the rematch, FaDe B won the game, so they are 4-2 now.
You can have a look at their match history in the OP, they won 4 games and lost 2.
I'm such a muppet -_- fixed. Thanks Frog, at least ONE of us is on the ball.
But also, Clanless are 21/13 on wins and losses. not 18/13
Thanks..
Actually you are at 21/16 if i count well.
I did a check-up of all point differences for every team as the OP coding is a bit stuffy now, so i will make sure there is no more mistake
QED now 14/20
ToR now 18/17
TA now 14/20
FaDe B now 21/14
Actually you are at 21/16 if i count well.
I did a check-up of all point differences for every team as the OP coding is a bit stuffy now, so i will make sure there is no more mistake
Ahh yes - my bad..
Just to note - the difference between Clanless and FaDe B is mostly found in the 4-0 walkover FaDe B got... 2 points differences between the two teams - but that should all be settled this week in our week 7 clash!!
We spoke with the admin concerning the walkover rule.
I am going to explain a bit how works the points system and the walkover rule. I'll try with my best english so everybody will understand.
There were some remarks concerning the 4-0 walkover spoiling the point difference of teams. What i will explain below will clear all the doubts.
Walkover rule
The first important thing to understand is that we won't change the rule as it is now, we'll just try to explain it, so everybody will understand the walkover rule.
1. If a team presents an irregular player, or doesn't show for the game, it will result a walkover.
2. A walkover is resulting by a score of 4-0.
3. The faulty team is awarded the loss, the victim team is awarded the win.
Points system
Once again, what i present here is the actual point system, we won't change it neither.
If you have a look at the brackets, Brackets are HERE
You will see on the bottom of the page that team are sorted by:
1. Number of matches won
2. Total points in game
3. Points difference
Example: If we have a look at the table below:
Team
W
L
Matches won
Total points
Points diff
Team A
5
4
5
24
24/20 +4
Team B
5
4
5
23
23/19 +4
Team C
5
4
5
23
23/18 +5
Team A, B and C are tied at the end of the season. They all have 5 wins.
The final ranking will be:
1. Team A - because they have the highest number of single games won
2. Team C - because they have a higher point difference than team B (+5>+4)
3. Team B - because they have less single games won than team A and a lower point difference than team C.
To resume
- a walkover is 4-0
- In case of a tie at the end of the season we look first at the total points in game.
- If the total points in game is also the same we look then at the points difference.
- if after that two teams are still tied, we look at the team who won their matchups.
Everyone keep in mind the above post is just for clarity, nothing has really changed. Frog just wanted to explain the points system seeing as it hasn't really been done yet properly.
Everyone ALSO please keep in mind that the Challonge brackets doesn't take into account individual losses, whereas we DO in the event that the wins + losses + individual wins are tied. This is why TCP and QED are in different positions on Challonge vs the OP of this thread. This thread's standings is the OFFICIAL standings.
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Its very hard to implement a rule when the season is almost over. However, if a rule like this is going to be implemented it should be applied to games where there have been illegal play retrospectively to make it fair for all teams.
As it stands, as of two rounds ago (correct me if I am wrong), several teams received 4-0 walkovers for teams that broke the rules. Earlier in the season, however, games had to be replayed if there was an infraction.
For example: FaDe B v TA where the illegal games had to be replayed and the official result recorded as 4-2 instead of the new points system of 4-0 for the walkover. There are a couple other matches that have been dealt with in a similar way earlier in the season but I don't have the details on those.
With this in mind, and the walkover result now being set as 4-0, this puts all teams who have had the misfortune to play in a tainted league match behind those who receive the new walkover result - should such a thing occur in the last couple of rounds. This could be the result that gets teams over the line for the finals and knock out teams that were victims earlier int he season.
I think the 4-0 walkover rule should be implemented for Season 3 to make it fair for all teams.
To address the issue in Season 2, the legitimate team should be awarded a 4-2 victory and the illegitimate team should be given a 0-4 result - unless you plan to go back and update the previous rounds with the new walkover result where necessary.
As it stands, as of two rounds ago (correct me if I am wrong), several teams received 4-0 walkovers for teams that broke the rules. Earlier in the season, however, games had to be replayed if there was an infraction.
I was away for the past few weeks, but from what I have seen a team that "breaks the rules" (smurfing) isn't penalized with a 0-4, the games are actually replayed from the point when the smurf was put in. Because this was a situation we didn't really account for, it was kind of up to the individual team managers to decide whether to replay or not and the team who was wronged was always the one who had the final choice. The only teams who got 4-0 over the past couple weeks has been the ones up against BtD (who messed up internally and apologized) and I'm pretty sure ToR v TCP tried to re-organize the games but it was either decided by ToR to take the 4-0, or they couldn't get an arrangement both teams were happy with. Would love to hear from the team managers about that.
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Originally Posted by rezyn8
To address the issue in Season 2, the legitimate team should be awarded a 4-2 victory and the illegitimate team should be given a 0-4 result - unless you plan to go back and update the previous rounds with the new walkover result where necessary.
I can see in theory how this works, but the way we set up this season was to make it so that walk overs weren't even a possibility. Walk overs was such a HUGE problem in Season 1, so the solution we have up with was to allow a full week to play the match up. How can a team that has a week to play a game not be able to organize 4 or more players!? We learned this season; miss-communication. While it's unfortunate, this season we are going to keep the walk over results the same. There also won't be any more walkovers now that BtD has their heads into gear.
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Originally Posted by rezyn8
Other than that - keep up the great work Admins!
Thanks man We do our best to make this an awesome experience for the BSG community. Here's to looking forward to the last few weeks of Season 2 and an even more enjoyable Season 3
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All good, Maynarde! I know what its like setting up new leagues - I had plenty of nightmares with Quake 3 leagues for OZTF, AusRA3 and OQCL back in the day. It does come down to a bit of trial and error, but in the end it will shape season 3 as the best season with these bugs ironed out.
Sounds good - I think the ruling can be looked over in the time between seasons..
Again I'll reiterate rezyn's sentiments about our gratitude to the admin's and our appreciation to the hard work you guys put in each week!!
Update for those who care.
TAEdarus (owait, thats me!) now has a house and as of Saturday will be living in it.
Internet still to be organised but once thats done i'm 100% back onboard rather than my current limited capacity.
#winning!
Thanks to everyone for their understanding and support, and special big thanks to Syn, Maynarde and Froggy for preventing my absence from making an impact on the event (and subsequently bringing the need for me as an admin into question! jerks!!).
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Reason: Added thx
ToRZorBa vs TAEaeron - Abyssal Caverns, Maverick vs TAEaeron - Antiuga Shipyards ThePandarine vs TAEaeron - Metaloplis Spook vs TAEaeron - Metaloplis Spook vs FemFXRogue - Tal'Dariam Alter
Clanless 4 - 3 FaDe B Incognito vs Byrnsy - Abyssal Caverns Incognito vs Punchy - Abyssal Caverns Incognito vs FESTa - Metalopolis Lorzy vs FESTa - Xel Naga Caverns SpaZzNx vs FESTa - Shatterd Temple SpaZzNx vs freakybeeky suman vs freakybeeky
GG guys - well played by all players it was a very tight match!!
Good luck to the rest of the teams in chasing the elusive playoff spots
Inco's classified as a player as that was his rank when this BSGCL started. He ranked up to only after Season 4, so under the rules he's still classified as .
Just to let you know, we reached the maximum of 1000 images in one post, with the OP of BSGCL season 2 thread. I believe it's the first time it's happening. From today we couldn't insert any more or any symbol in the OP .
So everyone can be proud of this achievement, small song for the event:
you could have played two games then?... you did show.. just not a full roster.
you should have played to try for at least a win or two.. 4-2 loss is better than 4-0 loss..
I think the admins should have instructed you to do this - rather than just give away an easy walk over...
Did you try to reschedule the games? The rules state that a walk over can be given.. but both captains can agree to a delay or reschedule if they can both agree and find a time that suits both... its only if no one shows up and nothing can be agreed does the other team have the option of Walk Over..
imo you guys should try and reschedule the match - this is a casual and friendly league... its not all about winning but improving in the game and having fun.. no one really enjoy's free walk over wins...
In regards to the QED v BtD match up, I DID actually ask them to play their games (I think only Krrn was on at the time for QED) but BtD wanted to take the walkover. As you say, it's between them and BtD has that right. A shame, but that's the way it went down.
I'll ask Frogmite to add CongressTart and update subs as he is the thread owner still.
In regards to the QED v BtD match up, I DID actually ask them to play their games (I think only Krrn was on at the time for QED) but BtD wanted to take the walkover. As you say, it's between them and BtD has that right. A shame, but that's the way it went down.
I'll ask Frogmite to add CongressTart and update subs as he is the thread owner still.
Yeah it's basically up to them. If they want to re-match or whatever. If there were no arrangements between the two teams to move the game timing, then they have to play at the time decided by the admin.
And yeah i added him, BtD that was your last sub for the whole season.
In regards to the QED v BtD match up, I DID actually ask them to play their games (I think only Krrn was on at the time for QED) but BtD wanted to take the walkover. As you say, it's between them and BtD has that right. A shame, but that's the way it went down.
I'll ask Frogmite to add CongressTart and update subs as he is the thread owner still.
Yeah - fair enough.. it is between the captains.
BUT Krrn turned up.. he is silver - and could have all killed... or at least made it 4-1 or 4-2... I think walk over shouldn't even be an option until there are no more players available (if any showed up at all)...
thats just my opinion.. and I understand that everyone wants to avoid no shows thus there are harsh penalties... But why not try and reschedule?...
I'll get in touch with them and ask again mate, I did ask last night if they wanted to reschedule. I was talking to SirChristoff who was talking on behalf of Gunslinger (who can't accept messages from anyone from friends and is representing BtD atm) and he said they were pretty irate and just wanted to talk the walk over.
At the moment if you don't have a minimum team size of 4 then you can't play but the rules will be revised in Season 3 to be a little more air-tight. This is only the second Season and even though there's been a bit of drama this season, last season had WAYYY more walkovers, it was insane. In a perfect league, there will never be a single walkover. That is my dream.
So again, I'll try contacting again but as the magic 8 ball says; "Outlook grim."
If the captains/admins work out a reschedule or something else cool, if not I personally am fine with the walk over. People didn't turn up for us and BtD gave us till 9pm for people to show. Pretty nice of SirChristoff to do that imo.
Think we've got to get a more consistent team for next season. Half of our team hasn't logged on since the start of the season. So when 3 out of the 5 that have been on don't/can't turn up on short notice, Cottonmouth gets to hear how annoyed I am on Vent heh.
so will season 3 start straight after season 2? or will there be a break?
There will need to be a small break, some other events will may or may not be happening for the BSG community that I wouldn't want BSGCL to clash with. Will also need a bit of time to revise the rules together and see if we can't make things even fairer than they are right now.
It will also be nice for the admins to have a little bit of a holiday
I'll
At the moment if you don't have a minimum team size of 4 then you can't play ...
last week we only had 1 silver and took an auto loss for our second silver player, which was cleared and agreed on by admins and both captains... this seems an acceptable approach to incomplete teams... at least there were a few games and everything was fun!....
Just a note - because of the amount of players in my team in later time zones - the rest of Clanless's games are requested to start 1 hour later - at 9pm... Of course I will talk to teams week to week about this..
Good luck to teams through the last few weeks, pretty sure they are critical for at least, ToR, FaDe B and Clanless fighting for the last two spots (with FaDe A and KA secured spots in the finals..)
Its been a great season - alot of fun! thanks heaps to Frog, Maynarde, Edarus and Syn!! you guys rule!..
TCPkrycek > Hellfyre on Abyssal Caverns TCPkrycek < Falcon on Xel`Naga Caverns Saranghae < Falcon on Metalopolis TCPdeathwing < Falcon on Xel`Naga Caverns TCPorb > Falcon on Shattered Temple TCPorb > Aeon on Shakuras Plateau TCPorb > Fantasyboy on Nerazim Crypt
Well played to both teams; the match ups lead to some interesting games but... Lady luck heard my call and graced us with her presence against an outstanding and commendable team gg to all.
Rezyn < Welshy on Abbysal Caverns
FaDeHalstrom < Welshy on Sharkuras Plateau
mrbadass < Welshy on Antiga Shipyards ZeroAbsolute > Welshy on Tal'Darim Alter ZeroAbsolute > BlackWidow on Xel'Naga Caverns ZeroAbsolute > Flame on on Xel'Naga Caverns ZeroAbsolute > VBPotthead on Xel'Naga Caverns
Can someone from FaDe A please get in contact with me to arrange our replay of matches as required (due to earlier smurfing incident as it is yet to be corrected).
Secondly, as I had a free moment I thought i'd check to ensure the admins / managers had been adhering to the rule instigated about preventing all-killers (players who won 3 or more matches in a week could not play the next) and it seems its fallen through the cracks.
I've checked both season 2 threads, found many mentions of it in the contents but not in the OPs about the season (rules and such).
I'll have a chat to the admins about this one at some stage tonight however since we're at week 8 now I'm guessing this will remain overlooked until perhaps next season.
Most teams have adhered to this regardless (be it by chance or intentionally), however if the rule WERE in effect there would be 4 offending teams with 5 instances of breaching the rule (you naughty buggers!).
Just more of an FYI, if people have an opinion on this rule (perhaps for the sake of Season 3) feel free to post any feedback / ideas below =)
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Secondly, as I had a free moment I thought i'd check to ensure the admins / managers had been adhering to the rule instigated about preventing all-killers (players who won 3 or more matches in a week could not play the next) and it seems its fallen through the cracks.
I've checked both season 2 threads, found many mentions of it in the contents but not in the OPs about the season (rules and such).
I'll have a chat to the admins about this one at some stage tonight however since we're at week 8 now I'm guessing this will remain overlooked until perhaps next season.
Most teams have adhered to this regardless (be it by chance or intentionally), however if the rule WERE in effect there would be 4 offending teams with 5 instances of breaching the rule (you naughty buggers!).
Just more of an FYI, if people have an opinion on this rule (perhaps for the sake of Season 3) feel free to post any feedback / ideas below =)
I had no idea that this was a rule tbh... but it does seem like a good idea!.. myself - If possible, I like to have different players out each week regardless, so that everyone has a go. however, with people not showing up all the time and some of the teams with only a few players in their roster.. it will prove to be quite difficult to administer...
Yeah that was one of the challenges we were going to be dealing with this season with all the other new rules and changes to the format etc which were put forward at the start.
This one either was plainly forgotten / overlooked or excluded for a revisit at a later date... Sadly i've been out of the loop since becoming homeless 5-6 weeks ago.
I'll see what the go is, but a funny correlation is - the top teams are the top offenders! It leaves me to wonder... what if... Would the standings look much different with that rule in effect?! Juicy stuff!
Sidenote: The net will be connected (hopefully) by the end of the week for me, so its all systems go for me then. With Syn eventually departing us for other commitments i'm sure my return will be welcomed by the other admins =)
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This is a rule that we were considering for this season but didn't end up implementing into the official rules. I agree it's quite good and we'll keep it in mind for Season 3. As you said Chad, too late to enforce this in Season 2 as we're about to begin Week 8 and finals are just around the corner.
Twas me who said it was too late to implement silly!
And coolcool, although I don't remember that chat =(
If anyone actually cares for posterity sake, these are the examples where the rule would have been breached:
FaDe A - Ricochet - Round 3
FaDe A - ZeroAbsolute - Round 5
TCP - TCPOrb - Round 6
Clanless - Incognito - Round 7
KA - Fantasy Boy - Round 7
Again, this is an EXAMPLE as the rule was NOT implemented, I just like to look and think "what if" considering FaDe A is there twice (maybe they wouldn't be undefeated with this rule) as well as Clanless and KA!
Maybe this little tidbit of information will give you guys some insight into what this rule might affect in the competition.
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Oh forgot to add (I COULD edit, but then my post count doesn't reflect my e-peen size...), if the rule were in place, the following players would be unable to play this week (if i'm reading the results correctly):
TA - TAEaeron
KA - Falcon
TCP - TCPOrb
VB - Welshy
FaDe A - ZeroAbsolute
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Yet another post, man work must be slow!
DONT FORGET BSG All-Stars
BSG All-Stars will again be going ahead at the end of the season if people are interested, potential cash prizes to be had and on that note... CRAP... I still haven't paid for last season's! Gimme till tomorrow and yeah remind me people, my memory is le craps!
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in corelation to the above use of all-killers OrB is only used week in week out for tcp is due to the fact that he is our only gold player that shows up would enjoy frog playing but when does he play?..... seriously... :P
in corelation to the above use of all-killers OrB is only used week in week out for tcp is due to the fact that he is our only gold player that shows up would enjoy frog playing but when does he play?..... seriously... :P
Pretty keen on an answer for this Frogmite. Don't let TCP down.
Can someone from FaDe A please get in contact with me to arrange our replay of matches as required (due to earlier smurfing incident as it is yet to be corrected).
Will need the others to confirm, but I thought this had been settled? It's been recorded as a 4-2 win, and seeing as there was smurfing involved from TA, I don't think a replay is necessary.
Will need the others to confirm, but I thought this had been settled? It's been recorded as a 4-2 win, and seeing as there was smurfing involved from TA, I don't think a replay is necessary.
Actually it was FaDe B vs TA, the re-match had been agreed and done two weeks ago. FaDe B won 4-2 after re-match.
Thursday i am very busy and cannot even admin/cast for BSGCL, if we move the game TCP vs FaDe A to friday i may be able to play. The power is in your hands Krycek.
Already on it froggy. dnt u worry i'll get you to play XD
As a side note: FaDeEXCEL in case u have not checked ur inbox TCP is requesting a reschedule to the TCP V FaDe A match from thursday at 8pm to Friday at 9PM thnx again
Lastly TCP is using its 1st Sub to bring in smotpokafish.676
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Already on it froggy. dnt u worry i'll get you to play XD
As a side note: FaDeEXCEL in case u have not checked ur inbox TCP is requesting a reschedule to the TCP V FaDe A match from thursday at 8pm to Friday at 9PM thnx again
Lastly TCP is using its 1st Sub to bring in smotpokafish.676
It's second sub as we used one for Fyre. I'll add it to the roster
Twas me who said it was too late to implement silly!
And coolcool, although I don't remember that chat =(
If anyone actually cares for posterity sake, these are the examples where the rule would have been breached:
FaDe A - Ricochet - Round 3
FaDe A - ZeroAbsolute - Round 5
TCP - TCPOrb - Round 6
Clanless - Incognito - Round 7
KA - Fantasy Boy - Round 7
Again, this is an EXAMPLE as the rule was NOT implemented, I just like to look and think "what if" considering FaDe A is there twice (maybe they wouldn't be undefeated with this rule) as well as Clanless and KA!
Maybe this little tidbit of information will give you guys some insight into what this rule might affect in the competition.
Was afraid for a moment when I got singled out -.-"
However it wasn't really stated in the rules, so maybe it's in line for next season (but this has already been stated above)
With FaDe A, but we've been pretty much limited on our lineup, as most of our roster doesn't show up on the day, thus showing why we play a lot of games (Rez, Hal, Boss-o-chet, Badass, Zero~). I'm sure a lot of other teams have had this problem as well with players not showing up, so maybe it needs to be tweaked slightly, I'm not sure.
My thoughts on the rule is that I think it'll be a nice addition for next season, certainly gives the opportunity for lesser known players on a lineup to be able to step up and shine with the 'ace' of the team being unable to play (i.e ZeroAbsolute, the kid is absolutely crazy).
Before I forget, much for BSG Admins, doing an absolute great job! Casters as well
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Fade B, please tell me you're putting Byrnsy up first?
Who in the hell wouldn't want to see me v him. Imagine the hilarious chat in-game! I'm saving some special lines just for him.
Pleeeeaaaasseeeee maynarde/froggy cast KA v FadeB this week. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ
Byrnsy is technically my superior in ESL adminning... so everyone cheer for me?
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
But i think i've proven that i'm the worst player on the team, and putting me up against someone else would just make me sad
Not meta-gaming at all here, ask Byrnsy, he wants to go up against me too
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If we're Terran, let's fly our CC's away! If we're Zerg, let's MASS QUEENS! If we're protoss, let's MASS SENTRIES! EPIC MINDGAMES!
Some Ling-Roach-All-in-Fake-Expo-10-pooling from Jerry there - Dox's bauss casting
However it wasn't really stated in the rules, so maybe it's in line for next season (but this has already been stated above)
With FaDe A, but we've been pretty much limited on our lineup, as most of our roster doesn't show up on the day, thus showing why we play a lot of games (Rez, Hal, Boss-o-chet, Badass, Zero~). I'm sure a lot of other teams have had this problem as well with players not showing up, so maybe it needs to be tweaked slightly, I'm not sure.
My thoughts on the rule is that I think it'll be a nice addition for next season, certainly gives the opportunity for lesser known players on a lineup to be able to step up and shine with the 'ace' of the team being unable to play (i.e ZeroAbsolute, the kid is absolutely crazy).
Yeah its not going to be implemented at the arse-end of the season, I'd just been away so long I didn't realise we hadn't yet implemented it!
I definitely do see the issue for teams with limited rosters, I guess the rule either needs a tweak or teams just need some fresh new faces!
*Looks at the Clanless becoming members of clans after the season...?*
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Wait what's this all about? Is it about having to rotate players around every week?
No, basically the idea for the rule was that any player who won 3 or more games a week could not play in the next round (but the one after that was fine).
The idea came to me when, to be honest, TA made it to the prelims in season one off my own back alone as only two other players won games, and they only won one each! (I want everyone in the team to be integral and important, not just single players holding everyone else up and skewing the results).
But yes, this rule is not implemented and I'm just seeking feedback on the idea for the moment, so don't stress!
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Will need the others to confirm, but I thought this had been settled? It's been recorded as a 4-2 win, and seeing as there was smurfing involved from TA, I don't think a replay is necessary.
TA replayed their matches with FaDe B due to the Eskimo smurfing incident as directed by the admins at the time (I was not involved in this decision as an admin myself).
I assume, therefore, that since Eskimo was also playing against FaDe A, it would be expected those games be replayed also - I believe this situation has happened to other teams this season too, and it would be a bit unfair / strange to not continue along this replay trend for all instances.
Personally as a team manager (stepping aside as an admin for a moment), i'd be saying all or nothing regarding the walkover replays. We either replay both teams, or neither, not just the one which FaDe B lost.
In any case you're the top team in the competition, what are you afraid of? Losing?
(That was friendly banter, not asshattery).
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Oh also on that note, if the argument is going to be used that "you lost, therefore why replay it, because you should be punished for smurfing and a loss does exactly that", then why did we replay Minimat's game at all?
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Oh also on that note, if the argument is going to be used that "you lost, therefore why replay it, because you should be punished for smurfing and a loss does exactly that", then why did we replay Minimat's game at all?
Because of the BM from Random during the game.. both teams were punished - minimat removed from the league and Clanless not receiving the win for the game. so the match was replayed, with neither Random or minimat playing - this was agreed by the admins, myself and some TA guys (I think riiChard and/or deL were aware of this at the time?...)
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Because of the BM from Random during the game.. both teams were punished - minimat removed from the league and Clanless not receiving the win for the game. so the match was replayed, with neither Random or minimat playing - this was agreed by the admins, myself and some TA guys (I think riiChard and/or deL were aware of this at the time?...)
I'd still propose the match be replayed then based off that, as FaDe A have been negatively affected by Eskimo's "smurfing". I mean, the record stands they went 4-2, so they're on a lower score than they could potentially be.
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I'd still propose the match be replayed then based off that, as FaDe A have been negatively affected by Eskimo's "smurfing". I mean, the record stands they went 4-2, so they're on a lower score than they could potentially be.
I must disagree - if you replay the match and TA wins then its not good for FaDe A - they have the win.. and 4-2 is acceptable... If any change to that result was to take place, It would be to give FaDe A a 4-0 win...
But as that was TA's first Smurfing incident I think the current result is acceptable.. but thats just my opinion.
However, you could rematch from the point Eskimo joined the match, with FaDe A at 3-0 and TA's last player being sent out...seems ZeroAbsolute is the smurf killer..
You speak a good point sir, I think i'll leave this one to the other admins to decide (since I can't make the call as its my team involved and you all know my position already lol).
Oh and also, although I've already raised this with the admins I want it officially known here, that the "smurfing" done by Eskimo was something done for portraits (which he was doing long ago as well), not to rank-tank... I mean, if he was genuinely smurfing he wouldn't have then let himself get promoted into Diamond now would he?
I'm not complaining or saying the outcome should change there, I just don't want him getting a bad name for something that wasn't genuine smurfing.
As for Minimat, NFI what he was doing, quite disappointed there actually.
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As for Minimat, NFI what he was doing, quite disappointed there actually.
tbh - Eskimo's smurfing isn't an issue in regards to his character or what not - but his skill level is higher than BSG. This was discovered during the TtCC BSG event and he was removed from that tournament in the winners bracket finals. Smurfing can be a sinister act where people enjoy dominating lower league players so they purposely drop rank to do so, the next level down is what Eskimo did, which was to drop league to get easier wins and faster wins - but only losing in games that last 2 seconds. saving time to farm portraits etc.
minimat's smurfing case was even less severe than that, minimat was a plat (or diamond?) Terran, that tanked losses to get to a lower league while he learnt Zerg. However, this is against the rules of BSGCL and minimat had to be taken out of the tournament - however, a less severe penalty was applied to TA because his smurfing wasn't that bad..
Yeah, and i'm sure the rest of TA's BSGCL team are thankful that we didn't get snapped harder for it.
Its been a tough season for us.
Although results-wise we've been better generally, overall we're not doing as well as we should be / could be / would be expected to be by the community.
This will change!
Season 3 will see TA with a new team captain and lineup (as poor Edarus sadly got into Platinum... don't ask me how, I haven't laddered since season 1 and I lost placement and WHAM promotion?? lulwut) and expect us to take the cake for the next season.
I guess that'll be announced soonish anyways
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the new rule doesnt seem too bad, but can easily affect the smaller team by heaps. It sounds good in theory but would kill alot of teams
most weeks I've been rotating the silvers and they've been pretty fine, would make it hard for me to final boss though :P lol owells I wont be here next season anyways
Yeah its still something in the development stage, and I believe it will require a tweak or something to make it more feasible for the smaller teams.
Thanks for the input =)
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Clanless "UpWaiting" 4 vs QED 0 UpWaiting > Krrn Backwater Gulch UpWaiting > DeNile Antiga Shipyards UpWaiting > QEDJenkins Tal'Darim Altar UpWaiting > QEDFridge Shattered Temple
First All kill for the league so big congrats to UpWaiting - he's come along way since joining and practising with the team!.. I gave him builds and instructions before each game and he carried them out perfectly for some great results - so congrats to him!!
Clanless "UpWaiting" 4 vs QED 0 UpWaiting > Krrn Backwater Gulch UpWaiting > DeNile Antiga Shipyards UpWaiting > QEDJenkins Tal'Darim Altar UpWaiting > QEDFridge Shattered Temple
First All kill for the league so big congrats to UpWaiting - he's come along way since joining and practising with the team!.. I gave him builds and instructions before each game and he carried them out perfectly for some great results - so congrats to him!!
GG to QED aswell!
Actaully, i need to correct you, not the first allkill.
I know of atleast two others this already (not including Walk Overs/Smurfs)
Sorry to burst your bubble :P
Actaully, i need to correct you, not the first allkill.
I know of atleast two others this already (not including Walk Overs/Smurfs)
Sorry to burst your bubble :P
But it was our team's first all-kill! A-ha!
(I'm trying to save yer arse here Chad you owe me a drink)
Clanless "UpWaiting" 4 vs QED 0 UpWaiting > Krrn Backwater Gulch UpWaiting > DeNile Antiga Shipyards UpWaiting > QEDJenkins Tal'Darim Altar UpWaiting > QEDFridge Shattered Temple
First All kill for the league so big congrats to UpWaiting - he's come along way since joining and practising with the team!.. I gave him builds and instructions before each game and he carried them out perfectly for some great results - so congrats to him!!
GG to QED aswell!
Whao GG Upwaiting!
Is 500 your character code ? Because it seems i can't find you on Bnet
Yeah its not going to be implemented at the arse-end of the season, I'd just been away so long I didn't realise we hadn't yet implemented it!
I definitely do see the issue for teams with limited rosters, I guess the rule either needs a tweak or teams just need some fresh new faces!
*Looks at the Clanless becoming members of clans after the season...?*
No, basically the idea for the rule was that any player who won 3 or more games a week could not play in the next round (but the one after that was fine).
The idea came to me when, to be honest, TA made it to the prelims in season one off my own back alone as only two other players won games, and they only won one each! (I want everyone in the team to be integral and important, not just single players holding everyone else up and skewing the results).
But yes, this rule is not implemented and I'm just seeking feedback on the idea for the moment, so don't stress!
I for one am in agreeance with the implementation of this rule for next season (even though I won't be here D: ) but in my defense I am not the only one to win games for FaDe A and I try to let other members of my team shine. If you check the results, I really only play once a fortnight anyway and when I do, it's as the LAST player for the team or out of sheer desperation (With myself included we only have 4 regular players).
However, what Ricochet says is right and I think that if such a rule were to be implemented, special consideration would have to be given to teams such as FaDe A who really only have 4 or 5 consistent members and in addition to this, have wasted away our subs on players who have never shown up after enlisting.
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ZerO disappoint because he can't play after he sweeps the whole team :O
I agree with ZerO. If this rule is implemented it will make small clans unable to play. Also many people who signed up have never ever showed up, which means that we only have a small group of dedicated, ready-to-play players every week. If certain ones are banned (for example the sweeper or the best one in the team) from playing the following week, isn't it a bit unfair? Basically you are disallowing players to play for a certain week because they have practiced hard, made an effort to commit, and won for the team?
If this rule was to be implemented we would need an option to kick people off our team and be able to replace them with new ones without limit, so any inactive people will be replaced.
ZerO disappoint because he can't play after he sweeps the whole team :O
I agree with ZerO. If this rule is implemented it will make small clans unable to play. Also many people who signed up have never ever showed up, which means that we only have a small group of dedicated, ready-to-play players every week. If certain ones are banned (for example the sweeper or the best one in the team) from playing the following week, isn't it a bit unfair? Basically you are disallowing players to play for a certain week because they have practiced hard, made an effort to commit, and won for the team?
If this rule was to be implemented we would need an option to kick people off our team and be able to replace them with new ones without limit, so any inactive people will be replaced.
Personally I think the core issue is more having an active, reliable roster for a good competition.
I do see and agree with the point that it would disadvantage (almost punish) players who have won because they put a heap of effort into their game... Perhaps something like they must play last the next week, rather than can't play at all?
As fun as all-kills are for your team, it means not everyone gets a go and in itself makes a team (in effect) a one-man venture regardless (again disadvantaging the teams as a whole in that respect.)
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Personally I think the core issue is more having an active, reliable roster for a good competition.
I agree with this. It's kind of annoying and doesn't really make sense but not much you can do about it though as it's up to the individual players. If you don't want to play / can't play, don't sign up!
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I do see and agree with the point that it would disadvantage (almost punish) players who have won because they put a heap of effort into their game... Perhaps something like they must play last the next week, rather than can't play at all?
That's actually not a bad idea, will have to keep it in mind when we're all discussing rules for next season
If this rule was to be implemented we would need an option to kick people off our team and be able to replace them with new ones without limit, so any inactive people will be replaced.
I totally agree with this, if this rule comes in - alot more subs are needed and team managers need to be alot stricter with selecting team members..
Something that is proveing to be very successful with my team is the amount of in-house practice sessions; keeping practise up and members active - we've also started to run mini tournaments amongst the team - with myself and suman squaring off in the final soon!.. This has helped the team improve dramatically and bond together! Additionally we have started to learn each others play style and thus forced us to be very creative when versing each other - which have led to some amazing and interesting matches, games between myself and inco and suman last night were very fun!..
Anyway, these things have helped our team succeed and might work for you too! Gl hf and see you all in the PDCL next season?!!?
This is a very good idea, it allows for more flexibility as opposed to having to play last.
What about Gold's all killing or 3 killing?..
I think the rule is fine - if a player all kills or 3 kills they should have a 1 week rest...
Its up to team managers to deal with this - personally this wouldn't be a problem for my team - tho Skyrim has taken its toll on some of our players..
Perhaps in addition to 3 (or maybe more subs - to deal with this rule) teams can post pone the week rest if no other players are available... but the rest must be served within 2-3 weeks?
I see since no-one has posted the results from the FaDe A v TCP match I guess I should.
FaDe A [4] v TCP [3]
FaDeHalstrom < SmotPokaFish on Backwater Gulch Rezyn < SmotPokaFish on Abyssal Caverns mrbadass > SmotPokaFish on Metalopolis mrbadass < TCPkrycek on Xel'Naga Caverns ZeroAbsolute > TCPkrycek on MLG Tal'Darim Altar ZeroAbsolute > TCPFrogmite on Metalopolis ZeroAbsolute > TCPGalabo on Metalopolis
Great games by TCP! It was extremely close and every-one had lots of fun =D
Big thank you to the casters LordByrnsy, Hellfyre and an intoxicated Halstrom (xD). Looking forward to having you guys cast our games again in the future!
Last edited by FaDeZerO; Sat, 26th-Nov-2011 at 8:37 PM.
Imo the 1 week penalty is against the spirit of the BSGCL. This league is for people to have fun and get better while getting experience in tournaments, and how is it fun to get punished for doing well?
KA 4 - 2 FaDe B Hellfyre[/b] < Byrnsy - Backwater Gulch Falcon < Byrnsy - Metalopolis Aeon > Byrnsy - Shakuras Plateau Aeon > Punchy - Shattered Temple Aeon > Fullstop - Metalopolis Aeon> FESTa - Antiga Shipyard
GG to FaDe B
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In response to Chad... There's no problem with someone 3-killing, it just means they're good. If someone is moved back to third, it's just to let more people play, right?
In response to Chad... There's no problem with someone 3-killing, it just means they're good. If someone is moved back to third, it's just to let more people play, right?
I think what the rule does is force teams to work together and overall the winning team won't be the team with 1 player that is really good.. but a line up of solid players.
A rule that forces teams to rest their players that 3 kill or all kill will bring more tactics to the managers selecting players save good players for good matches etc...
Anyway, this is just my opinion - but I could see how my opinion would change if I was managing a team that relied on 1 or 2 players to do all the killing and had a small roster or half roster inactive...
I think what the rule does is force teams to work together and overall the winning team won't be the team with 1 player that is really good.. but a line up of solid players.
BTW casters, please note my name is pronounced Kry-Check written as krycek (is russian)
Watched a stream from byrnsy and every time i heard kry-kek a small part of me died :'(
BTW casters, please note my name is pronounced Kry-Check written as krycek (is russian)
Watched a stream from byrnsy and every time i heard kry-kek a small part of me died :'(
really!? I thought it was pronounced Cry-sek... so it's check now?
The difference between the GSL and the BSGCL is, the players in the GSL are supposedly the best-of-the-best, not people across three whole leagues of skill.
We're just discussing potential ways to keep the competition close, as well as allow everyone to get a go.
Otherwise we can happily go back to "anyone first" and teams can just put their best foot first and have rosters of 1 player whos Gold (or Plat).
But as I said, it is just a discussion on a potential rule, again it will only go in if the community agrees as we are community admins not the Overminds.
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On another note i'll be looking through the game histories shortly to work out the table of winners (as in players) for the invites for BSG All-Stars Season 2.
Obviously this will be subject to change over this week + the finals but yeah, keep your eyes posted for that!
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On another note i'll be looking through the game histories shortly to work out the table of winners (as in players) for the invites for BSG All-Stars Season 2.
Obviously this will be subject to change over this week + the finals but yeah, keep your eyes posted for that!
Yaaaaay, i'm pretty sure i have the worst record out of everyone! Yay for me!
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On another note i'll be looking through the game histories shortly to work out the table of winners (as in players) for the invites for BSG All-Stars Season 2.
Obviously this will be subject to change over this week + the finals but yeah, keep your eyes posted for that!
My team and I are requesting a later start on thursday (of either 9:30pm or 9:00pm with a delay for second or third players from Clanless). If you do not like this timing then Sunday (night 7pm onwards - suits us too, but Thursday 9:30pm AEDT is prefered. THANKS! XOXO
You should still be considered for the all-stars Zero regardless of your current league - as you are a legal player in Season 2 and the all-stars is based off the same season.
No, but the season started in Season 3, and the rules state that if you get promoted to Platinum you are ineligible for the all-stars even if you were Gold.
No, but the season started in Season 3, and the rules state that if you get promoted to Platinum you are ineligible for the all-stars even if you were Gold.
Basically this.
With the first All-Stars event, players who were promoted outside of the BSG leagues during the season / at the time of the All-Stars event were no longer eligible.
In essence, you'd find most of the All-Stars would be platinum and up if this rule were not implemented, which kinda ruins the point of "BSG" All-Stars.
If you guys want a Season 2 Steamrollers event or something (open to anyone regardless of promotions received) then i'm sure we can do something like that as well?
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My mistake - mis-interpreted what the all stars was about! Thought it was based on the current season players instead of the future season...
Maynarde - perfect finals setup - gives priority to top two and still keeps all four in the mix.
Hey Rezyn, you didn't misinterpret at all mate.
The BSGCL All-Stars is a celebration and competition between the best performers of the current season.
However in the first All-Stars event it was decided that players who had been promoted outside the realm of B/S/G would not be eligible for the event.
So I guess you could potentially call it a showcase for "players to look out for" in the next season (assuming they don't get promoted out of B/S/G in the interim).
I think the main reason behind removing plat / diamond players from the event is to keep it B/S/G, while I realise they were eligible to continue playing in the BSGCL season (if not diamond lol), they're no longer really BSG players so it wouldn't make sense to have a BSG event filled with Platinum players (assuming Platinum players get the better results out of everyone in the league).
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Maynarde seeing we have 10 teams why not extend it to top6. You could do a variant on Format 1 by having #3 play #6 and #4 play #5. The higher seed winner plays #2 and the lower seed winner plays #1 in the semis.
I usually prefer format 1 for a smaller number of teams (say 6) and format 2 for a nice standard number of teams (like 8) so this top6 format might be fun for 10 teams!
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The thing is usually you have half the teams in the final (4 of 8, etc) but because there are 10 teams you're going to have to go with just under or just over half.
Might as well go over half so teams have more to play for towards the end of the season (and avoid potential walkovers where teams who can't make top4 don't show up).
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In my opinion, play-offs are made for elite teams in the league.
In the NBA only the top teams go to playoffs, not 50% of them.
If we allow 6 out of 10 teams to go for play-offs, it negates the importance of the league games.
Last season we had 12 teams and only 4 of them going to play-offs and that was fine for me.
Cheers for the input so far guys. I like the discussion so far, so we'll talk about it some more. If we went for 6 teams in the finals, it would be a lot more like the Season 1 playoffs (which we had a no-show at T_T) but I can see it working. 4 teams makes sure that this will be the most elite of contests (as far as BSG goes anyway) and can work just as well. I see good points to both formats now.
Would be awesome to add an in-thread poll here it would make the more popular choice a lot more clearer. Anyway, keep up the discussions
LOL stick to the 4 teams format KISS no point making it harder than it is. Also i think someone stated that teams give up halfway through. Dnt know bout you guys but tcp has been 5th and under and had many bad things happen, but we aint giving up quietly- perhaps its a lack of passion?.
Anyway Tadel i saw what u did by suggesting top six teams O.O :P
Format 1 imo...
Rank 1 and 2 teams have an advantage (as they should - big effort in getting top two spots)... 3rd and 4th have a chance - But as I suggested in the week 9 thread I think some advantage should be given to the higher ranked teams in the match up.
EG; 1st and 2nd play, in sequence
1) 1st selects the first map,
2) 2nd selects their first player,
3) 1st selects their first player and losers pick on map and player from there.
This gives the 1st place team the ability to pick a map that they have plenty of practice on - Then the advantage of being reactionary to the player (and race) of the 2nd placed teams first selection.. giving them the edge to pick a player that has a good match up to that race.
Additionally, the First format produces more interesting games.. 1st round semi's has the top two teams squaring off for the finals spot - an epic game, then (most likely) after other semi's are done there is a chance at a big rematch between those two teams..
deL suggestion is interesting.. but there is no difference between placing 3rd and 6th... Perhaps a similar higher seed advantage of 1st map and 2nd player selection could be given in these games...?
Top 4 for this season, I know by saying that it probably knocks TA out of the finals (that of which I would love to play in, mainly to drag out the BSG to closer to Xmas), but that's what we get and probably ToR.
I mean if Fade B lose this week and ToR and TA win, we will all finish on 4 wins and close in w/l ratio.
Which could make it quite interesting for Season 3, as I feel this season the teams have been much closer.
If the admins/casters want to end it early go for Format 2, but Format 1 I think it better in the fact that top 2 is something to aim for, as it gives you that advantage.
If you were to go for Top 6
Week 1:
Rank 1 & 2 have a bye
Game 1: Rank 3 v Rank 4
Game 2: Rank 5 v Rank 6
Game 3: Rank 1 v Winner Game 2
Game 4: Rank 2 v Winner Game 1
Top 4 for this season, I know by saying that it probably knocks TA out of the finals (that of which I would love to play in, mainly to drag out the BSG to closer to Xmas), but that's what we get and probably ToR.
I mean if Fade B lose this week and ToR and TA win, we will all finish on 4 wins and close in w/l ratio.
Which could make it quite interesting for Season 3, as I feel this season the teams have been much closer.
If the admins/casters want to end it early go for Format 2, but Format 1 I think it better in the fact that top 2 is something to aim for, as it gives you that advantage.
If you were to go for Top 6
Week 1:
Rank 1 & 2 have a bye
Game 1: Rank 3 v Rank 4
Game 2: Rank 5 v Rank 6
Game 3: Rank 1 v Winner Game 2
Game 4: Rank 2 v Winner Game 1
Game 5: Winner Game 3 v Winner Game 4
Higher ranked team picks the map!
Good idea if 6 teams are picked for playoffs - BUT I do think 3rd vs 6th, 4th vs 5th... as otherwise there is no difference between placing 3rd or 5th... (or 3rd and 6th - if a higher seed advantage isn't used...)
If we're going by half the league then go with SANFL finals format.
5 teams.
#1 gets bye.
Match 1: 2 vs 3, Match 2: 4 vs 5
Match 3: Winner M1 plays #1, Match 4: Loser M1 plays winner M2, Loser M2 is out.
Winner M3 to Grand Final. Loser M3 plays Winner M4. Loser M4 is out.
Match 5: Winner M3 vs Winner M5
Quite long winded, but gives #1 the biggest advantage, 2 and 3 a double chance in playoffs, and 4 and 5 play in an elimination match. Higher seed always gets first map pick..
After reading the discussion above, I really think it needs to be kept simple. Let's not complicate it and turn it into the AFL finals series which ends up rewarding mediocrity.
Traditional finals reward the top two by giving them a double chance for their efforts over the season whilst the next two have a chance of making it through to the final and winning. This is how most finals are done, hockey, soccer etc.
Thus my vote is firmly entrenched with Format 1 that Maynarde posted earlier.
You don't have to have 1 week per round, I say don't let the playoffs go over 2 weeks. Just make it round 1 saturday, round 2 sunday, and then grand finals the next sunday.
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Or have the finals all within a day (Saturday/Sunday) but keep the series to Bo7
Just looked over the formats once again - neither actually give the top two teams a reward for finishing top. So with that in mind, the following gives the top two teams a double chance (I actually missed this in relation to my other comments and this is what I was talking about!):
Standardised Finals
Semi Final 1: Rank 1 vs. Rank 2 - Winner qualifies for Grand Final; Loser plays Winner of SF2
Semi Final 2: Rank 3 vs. Rank 4 - Winner plays loser of SF1; Loser is eliminated from Finals and places 4th
Preliminary Final: SF1 Loser v SF2 Winner - Winner goes into Grand Final; Loser is eliminated and finishes 3rd
Grand Final: SF1 Winner v PF Winner - Winner is Champion of BSGCL Season 2; Loser finishes in 2nd place
If we're going by half the league then go with SANFL finals format.
5 teams.
#1 gets bye.
Match 1: 2 vs 3, Match 2: 4 vs 5
Match 3: Winner M1 plays #1, Match 4: Loser M1 plays winner M2, Loser M2 is out.
Winner M3 to Grand Final. Loser M3 plays Winner M4. Loser M4 is out.
Match 5: Winner M3 vs Winner M5
Quite long winded, but gives #1 the biggest advantage, 2 and 3 a double chance in playoffs, and 4 and 5 play in an elimination match. Higher seed always gets first map pick..
I like this format, as it rewards first spot!
KA & Fade A are gonna be hard to beat and makes the games this week extremely interesting as there are movements that could matter!
However doesn't it feel like we are just trying to get Rank 1 v Rank 2 into the finals, if so why not just do that!
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