[nirvAnA]

Hi guys,

I've noticed our strategy forums aren't so active anymore. So I'm starting this thread with the aim of helping out the lower league players and making our strategy forums more active. Got this idea from TL. And a shoutout to the people in group #noobschool on SEA. Its a great initiative and any lower league player looking to improve should join that group. But yes a forum is good supplementary resource because is has permanence and can be a resource to find answers to questions that were asked before quickly.

Anyone who is GM and above is welcome to help answer questions. Please do not troll the thread.

Some simple rules

Keep it short and simple. One sentence questions. Nothing too specific i.e posting replays.

Examples of good simple questions.

Q: How many workers is the optimal to have at each base?
Q: Who are the best Terran players in Australia
Q: I want to start casting, is there a guide somewhere?
Q: In ZvP, what upgrades should Zerg get first, weapon or armor?

Example of bad simple questions

Q: When do I attack? (Strategy / Game dependent)
Q: How do I win? (Too generic)
Q: How much damage does a reaper do? (Check liquipedia or the online guides)

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Q: 1.How many workers is the optimal to have at each base?
Q: 2.Who are the best Terran players in Australia
Q: 3.I want to start casting, is there a guide somewhere?
Q: 4.In ZvP, what upgrades should Zerg get first, weapon or armor?

Example of bad simple questions

Q: When do I attack? (Strategy / Game dependent)
Q: How do I win? (Too generic)
Q: How much damage does a reaper do? (Check liquipedia or the online guides)

1. 16 minerals 6 gas (2 per mineral patch 3 per gas), going up to 2.5 per mineral patch is maximum saturation you want, loading up some extra before making say your 3rd then trasnfering workers can be useful to have a better economy
2. Iaguz, Rossi, Hut, Deth, Dano
3. Infeza obs guide
4. vs immortal all ins missle +1 anything else armour

Quick Comments

nirvAnA:

3. Thats the obs guide. You missed Zepph's guide boo!!

[Nemo]

What is the shortcut for disembarking units from a moving medivac when you use grid ?

Edit: In fact, you it's the same. You have to disembark all and instead of clicking a place where to disembark, you click the medivac instead ONCE. Then you can move freely or boost your medivac he will drop what's inside along the way.

[b3nje909]

Originally Posted by xGKingStallion

1. 16 minerals 6 gas (2 per mineral patch 3 per gas), going up to 2.5 per mineral patch is maximum saturation you want, loading up some extra before making say your 3rd then trasnfering workers can be useful to have a better economy

Really????

I make alot of drones, 18/20ish for hatch. Plus 3 per geyser.
And for first expansion I try to do the same. Yet a the end of the game, my resources and workers active are usually the lowest.

[Yonge]

Which Hydra upgrade should I get first?

[Cute]

Q: In a standard TvZ, when (if at all) are people adding a second factory for mines? And is it tech labbed for drilling claws?

[ROOT`iaguz]

A: depends a ton on preference and what build you're doing, some builds like getting 2 factories quickly (LGIM were busting out some blue flame builds tonight on GSTL), and some other terrans get it much later. Bomber was going 9 rax 1 fac 1 starport off of 61 scvs vs roro for some really nasty and fast and focused pushes.

I'm not 100% sure if it's after those 9 rax or before you start 2/2 for bio. So just put it down whenever I guess.

Quick Comments

Cute:

Thanks!

[Reere]

Originally Posted by Yonge

Which Hydra upgrade should I get first?

I've been going for Speed first. I've found the mobility a lot more useful compared to range. Range doesn't mean much when they're off creep too~

[Yonge]

Originally Posted by Reere

I've been going for Speed first. I've found the mobility a lot more useful compared to range. Range doesn't mean much when they're off creep too~

Just to give a bit more context, do you find the mobility better because you are mainly playing defensively or offensively?

[Reere]

Originally Posted by Yonge

Just to give a bit more context, do you find the mobility better because you are mainly playing defensively or offensively?

Both. Range imo only helps us defensively until speed kicks in. With speed first we could be poking around the map till range finishes, while if we get range first we're still stuck at home till speed finishes~

[mGGShade]

Q: in TvP how do i scout and respond to a immortal all in? that is the biggest problem i am having right now

[VB_Blake]

A: Scouting: Scout around 2:20, if you see only 2 pylons by the time you are there, he should have one proxy. Scout for proxy and scout for expo, if no expo then scan his main. Response: Retreat from natural (if you expanded), build bunker at top of ramp and 2 bunkers behind the top of ramp so that units from the bottom cannot hit them. Be ready to repair and he should not be able to break you.

[Tshu]

Q: What is the optimal lategame probe count?
Q: Does it vary between matchups?
Q: If I have, let's say 4 bases, how should I distribute my workers?

[mGGShade]

koolio thanks bandit will give it a try, hopefully i stop dying to immortals all ins >.<

[lolwut]

Q: As Zerg, how can I deal with a midgame zealot/sentry/voidray push
Q: In ZvP should I get the overlord speed upgrade early to scout?

[mGGAequitas]

Originally Posted by Tshu

Q: What is the optimal lategame probe count?
Q: Does it vary between matchups?
Q: If I have, let's say 4 bases, how should I distribute my workers?

A1. around 70 ish probes

A2. not really, it depends more on the game/your playstyle/their playstyle. for instance if there is a lot of trades going on you will want a higher probe count. or if you are more the make a 200/200 army and smash it into him, then you will want a slightly lower probe count

A3. There will be none/nearly none at your main because it would have run out of resources/nearly run out of resources by the time you've taken your 4th. And the rest of your probes are spread evenly at each base approx 16-20 on minerals and 3 on gas. More advanced method is to slowly reduce the workers at your first expansions and main so that you have more bases mining at any one time (albeit at a reduced rate each which increases the duration each base will still be active). So your most saturated base will be the one you took most recently. You want the highest income at this base because it is the most vulnerable base so you want to get as much from it as you can as well as the fact that it has the most available resources so you want a high income for as long as possible

Quick Comments

Tshu:

Thanks! It's cleared some doubts in my mind regarding worker count and distribution :)

[Yonge]

As Z, what is the best way to micro your lings when you do a runby into the mineral line?

Shift + click on each worker?
Hold position?

[Oshiego]

Q: Around what timing should I be expanding if I were to play standard gameplay? PvP, PvT, PvZ.
I usually expand when I get 2 gateways or 1gate 1robo. Or it depends?

[ProAnnn]

Originally Posted by Oshiego

Q: Around what timing should I be expanding if I were to play standard gameplay? PvP, PvT, PvZ.
I usually expand when I get 2 gateways or 1gate 1robo. Or it depends?

Standard gameplay for PvP is either 1 base play(DT allins, SG allins, Blink allins, 4 gate allins) OR you can have a wide variety of expansion strats like blink robo into expo or 1 gate expand into robo and stuff)

Standard for PvT is to 1 gate expand. Whether you expand after 1 zealot 1 stalker and moco or expand before them is up to personal preference.

Standard for PvT is to either Forge Fast Expand/Nexus first or 1 gate expand.

[Oshiego]

Originally Posted by DM.MCZ.ProAnnn

Standard gameplay for PvP is either 1 base play(DT allins, SG allins, Blink allins, 4 gate allins) OR you can have a wide variety of expansion strats like blink robo into expo or 1 gate expand into robo and stuff)

Standard for PvT is to 1 gate expand. Whether you expand after 1 zealot 1 stalker and moco or expand before them is up to personal preference.

Standard for PvT is to either Forge Fast Expand/Nexus first or 1 gate expand.

Cheers. That will help me a bit for sure. Just collecting a bit more cash to get HoTS Thank you.