[ACX]

Hi guys,

I'm switching races from Protoss to Terran and was wondering what are the foundations I need to learn.

Currently, I'm working to "master" Bomber's TVP build, Thorzain TVT build and looking up to TaeJa for some TVZ builds.

I know basic mechanics/macro are needed to improve gameplay but what particular Terran stuff do I need to know and work on?

Much appreciated!

[ToRGreenArchon]

Keep using those mules and make sure you have plenty of production i reckon

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ToRPatto:

says the zerg player :P

[Antel0pe]

Remember that Terran is weakest race and prepare to lose ladder points, that's all the advice I can think of
;;

[mGGAequitas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRhXH...ailpage#t=281s

Quick Comments

	Antel0pe:	AHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAH
	Daboo:	lol..our bm is never prioritized over macro haha!
	ToRPatto:	why did you bm him like that?
	mGGNemesis:	trololol dis game....

[sRAnti]

As far as real advice goes, the number 1 thing I will recommend focusing on is scv production. It sounds stupid but if you're starting out Terran you need to know that any build you do fails completely if you fail to constantly make scvs. Once you have that then not getting supply blocked, muling consistently, and always making units from your production is the next step to good macro. If you ever get a game that you just didn't know what went wrong and you just got rolled, look to your scv production and you'll see ways to improve.

For Terran specific advice, I'll talk about separate matchups and styles you can play.

TvT
1) Bio - Marine Marauder Medivac. Drop everywhere, take bases like a zerg player, generally be agressive, stay ahead in upgrades
2) Marine Tank - Marine Tank Medivac Viking. Positioning is key, drops are good, you can be agressive or defensive. This is definitely the most common playstyle in TvT at the moment, and can become mass air/tank battles pretty easily.
3) Mech - Hellion Tank Thor. Be defensive until you're maxed, spend your extra minerals on turrets and bases, do run bys with blue flame hellions to kill workers
All of these play styles can move into Air Terran, with battlecruisers banshees vikings and ravens. The ravens use pdd and hunter seeker missle on the enemy vikings, while you try to keep your vikings alive. The battlecruisers are really only there to attack the ground, the vikings are the main damage dealers.

Builds:
1 rax FE, 14 CC, Gas first into banshees, standard 12 rax 13 gas into banshees, standard 12 rax 13 gas into marine hellion medivac attack, proxy marauder

TvP
1) Bio - Marine Marauder Medivac Viking Ghost. You have to be reactive in terms of Protoss tech: get vikings if you see colossi, get ghosts if you see high templar. Late game is very difficult, make sure you pressure with mmm in the early game. The reason late game is so hard for Terran is warp gates, it means if you trade somewhat evenly in an engagement but end up winning, the Protoss can warp in 20 zealots to clean up your army and keep the game going. To actually win you need to absolutely crush their army and their reinforcements, which is done through amazing ghost control. If you actually lose that big engagement, it's just gg. Drops are good, but army control is more important (Spreading your bio, emp HT, position vikings so they can take out colossi)
2) Mech - Hellion Tank Thor Viking Ghost. I don't do this, so I have no idea how it works. I guess hellion run bys are still good, bring scvs for repair with your army.

Builds:
1 rax FE, 1 rax double expand, Bombers style (pretty awesome), 14 CC, 2 rax concussive pressure

TvZ
1) Marine Tank - Marine Tank Medivac Viking Marauder. Get vikings for broodlords (ghosts don't counter broodlords any more) and marauders for ultralisks. Always be agressive, either with your army or with drops. If you're going to drop, drop in 2 places, it'll be super effective in gold.
2) Bio - There are some terrans who make bio play work. You have to be very confident in your splitting and kiting, as well as being agressive all the time.
3) Mech - Hellion Tank Thor. It's common to do blue flame attacks, trying to get as many drone kills as possible and then transitioning into mech. Make sure you have turrets in case zerg has mutas, as well as thors. Hellion drops and run bys are very good unless the zerg has put spine crawlers everywhere. Apart from that just think like a mech player and turtle as hard as you can until you have a super army.

Builds: 1 rax fe into blue flame timing/ double banshees/ marauder hellion attack/ reactor hellion banshee (with or without cloak)/ 3 rax and medivacs/ double expo, 2 rax (proxy 11/11 or economical 12/14), 14 cc

gl hf!

Quick Comments

Antel0pe:

how come we're in same clan and i never talked to you ;;

[RicocheT]

Don't do it. Stay with your other race, Terran is bad T_T

[ACX]

Thanks Anti, a lot of helpful info there. I fancy bio play in all three match-ups, what is a good TVZ bio opening build?

I see a few people deterring me from switching to Terran but I feel committed to sticking to this choice but thanks for your concern. Players like TaeJa, Bomber and Boxer inspire me!

Thanks everyone.

[Antel0pe]

Originally Posted by Tiger

I fancy bio play in all three match-ups, what is a good TVZ bio opening build?

Bio in TvT is crazy hard, unless you can drop like a maniac, split like a maniac, and outmacro your opponent like a maniac.
Otherwise, TvZ bio?

You Tube

You Tube

this is a good opener, 2 rax with tons of pressure, but you need really good micro for it, cuz banes are freaking good

Quick Comments

	sRAnti:	Yeah bio TvZ is definitely the hardest
	TCPKerO:	Presplitting can help a lot I have found, if you pre split before attacking or while defending its a lot easier

[sRAnti]

The reason I listed a number of viable builds is so you can find the one you like the best, it's really just personal preference. I mean obviously if you want to do bio TvZ don't open with blue flame, it's too much of an investment to transition into bio smoothy. I'd probably pick 1 rax expo into 3 rax and medivacs or 1 rax expo into hellion banshee into 5 more rax.

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TCPKerO:

Find the builds that help you improve the most from comfortability, gj.

[ToRSpookToR]

bio TvZ is really weak to heavy lair builds that hit 1-1 or 2-2 timings with muta, TvT only go bio if they are meching even then it is tricky.

[ACX]

Thanks for all your advice and tips.

I'll first try how I go with pure bio in all three match-ups. Thanks for the video Antelope, day9 helpful as always!

[AxS.Xenovia]

remeber. YOU CANT WARP IN MARINES/MARAUDERS

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Antel0pe:

unfortunatly QQ

[DM.MCZ.Shondy]

you can try this thread on TL for TvZ bio

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=344554

[ToRPandarine]

Anti has more or less told what needs to be told. Though, as a player, I can tell you what are the pros and cons of certain army composition, give you some builds that I find work as well as some tips if you can incorporate them at our level.

vs

Build/s recommended - 1Rax FE

+ [Bio Ball - MMM or mass Marines Medivacs] +

Playstyle

• Aggressive
• Constant dropping

Pros

• Mobile.
• Easy to remax with sufficient production.
• MMM is beefier vs Tank fire and allows you to stand toe-to-toe with Mech.
• Mass Marine has insane DPS.
• Former is not so gas intensive. Latter is close to zero gas req.
• Upgrades are quicker

.

Cons

• Mass Tank fire is not your friend.
• Passiveness is your enemy
• Splitting and kiting may be required

Tips

• You can get your Medivacs to follow your troops every where by pressing M and then clicking on a unit.
• Shift-queuing commands for drops is to be your friend. At this level, multitasking is not at its highest ie. you can't be looking at everywhere and doing everything needed at the same time. This saves you the grief.
• Floating minerals? Slap another two or three Raxes. Its okay when you can't produce out of them. Better ready than caught with your pants down.

+ [Old School - Marine Tank] +

Playstyle

• Semi-aggressive
• Semi-defensive
• Able to set early contains

Pros

• Zone control.
• Insane damage at disposal
• Decent DPS

Cons

• Slightly gas intensive
• Tanks are immobile and prime targets
• Decent positioning is required.
• Decent map awareness is required

Tips

• Shift-queuing commands again is your friend here.
• Do not over spread out your Tanks or even overextend your entire army
• Do not clump your Tanks.
• Dropping is a good way of distracting and leapfrogging Tanks forward.
• Be wary of drops.

+ [Heavy Metal - Mech] +

Playstyle

• Defensive
• Slow and methodical

Pros

• Astounding amounts of damage.
• Once the Mech machine rolls out, its a slow grind unless something wrong happens.
• Chunky, beefy and really tough at times to take down.

Cons

• Gas intensive
• Immobile at worst, slow at best
• Drop prone
• Any units lost will take a long time to rebuild
• Said to be multitasking intensive

Tips

• Be extremely cost efficient. Emphasis on the extremely cost efficient part.
• Shift-queuing makes another appearance.
• Trouble with drops? Build a Turret Ring or have a 3-4 Vikings patrolling air routes to your base.
• Map control and vision is a must.
• Must be on top of upgrades. You want maximum damage, minimum casualties.
• See an unguarded base? Punish it by killing all the workers or shelling it. You either force a lift, force the army to move to engage and take losses or even take out the base itself.
• Be extremely cost efficient.

vs

Build/s recommended - 1Rax FE :: 2Rax Conc Pressure

+ [The Way to Go - MMM] +

Playstyle

• Aggressive
• Constant dropping

Pros

• Mobile compared to Protoss Deathball
• Great vs Gateway units
• Can be cost efficient

Cons

• Ability to remax is negated by Warpgate
• Piss poor vs non-Gateway units unless supported
• Must be constantly upgraded to stand equally.

Tips

• Ghosts are good for all occasions. Even if no HT or Archons are used, EMP is a good thing to have.
• Vikings immediately once Collosus tech is found ie. Collosus spotted or tech for it spotted. Sniping either the tech or unit is a +1
• Drop. You must keep the Protoss on their feet.
• Early harassment is good if you can get some Stalkers or Sentries. Probes not so ideal as Choroboost means that its just Minerals lost.
• Aforementioned is not the case when more than 5 Probes can be killed. Efficiently.
• Do not allow Protoss economy to thrive or tech to go untouched. Once the ball starts rolling, its a tough downward slide to stop it.

For vs , I usually 1Rax FE and then go Panda Style ie. I do whatever I think I should do and hope it works :P

[Millionaire]

I don't have a standard style and still manage to stay in gm..the key here is macro! The best part of being Terran is that u can win with almost any build as long as your macro is good.

Quick Comments

	ToRRedemption:	I think you are confused with protoss :P
	sRAnti:	Voidrays/Blink all in/4 gate/ Dt's/ Proxy 2 gate/ 1 base colossi don't take much macro :P

[mungi91]

If you are starting out as terran i reckon you should go marine tank as your main army compo against terran and zerg because its the easiest and standard. Also, dont be afraid to use scans if you are unsure on what the opponent is doing. scans are good . those builds you are working on are good on building your fundamentals of terran. against zerg try 1 rax fe -hellion banshee - marine/tank

[Phek]

to be honest you should just kept playing protoss because they are OP.

[TheGentleman]

Don't forget these:



Seriously though, dapollo has quite a few good tips for this race

See: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...1&feature=plcp

Terran tutorial might even be updated soon too

[TCPKerO]

Hi, if you ever need to have a chat about something or discuss a replay or want and obs for your games, send me a message. (sc2sea or ingame) I will be more than willing to chat with you .

[AssyrianKing]

When in doubt 1/1/1 =)

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TCPKerO:

always seems to be the thought for terran :P