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**nirvAnA** · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 7:13 PM

Credit goes to Camilto on TL for solving the mystery.

SEA DIVISIONS

S-Rank (+0)
Corruptor Tango
Zealot Epsilon
Khala Bravo

A-Rank (+63)
Queen Foxtrot
Firebat Sierra

B-Rank (+126)
Kagg Gamma
Feld Indigo

C-Rank (+189)
Scarab Nu
Siege Tank Alpha
Changeling Victor

D-Rank (+252)
Roach Sigma
Drone Romeo
Zekrath Beta
Carrier Kilo
Stukov Pepper
Felanis Phi

E-Rank (+315)
Turaxis Tau
Hanson Delta
War Pigs Dixie
Zekrath Theta
Infestor Yankee
Ulrezaj Zeta
Umoja Hawk
Stukov Xi
Zergling Lambda
Hydralisk Lima
Prelate November
War Pigs Iota
Valkyrie Charlie
Khaydarin Omega
New Folsom Mars
Tabrenus Whiskey
Kaloth Juliet
Zer'Atai Eta
Warp Prism Zed
Viking Rho
Ghost Echo
Viking Tau
Banshee Quest
Moria Pi
Hanson Foxtrot
Ladranix Omicron
Baneling Chi
Kaloth Mu

F-Rank (+378)
Overlord Psi
Kerrigan Pi
Carrier Gamma
Aleksander Alamo

(alot of bad divisions, wow)
Current cut off point to get into top 200 - 2002 + Multiplier.
Do with this as you will

Latest Top 200 List

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HuT · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 7:15 PM

Needs an edit yo.. looks messy.

Brultze · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 7:22 PM

lol im in E rank

NvPinder · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 7:26 PM

Corruptor Tango represent

PinkandWhite · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brultze

lol im in E rank

i am not even E! haha

Xeen · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 8:12 PM

B rank Kagg Gamma.

Dogsi · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 8:24 PM

uh... what?

Dogsi · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 8:32 PM

read tl... interesting read, got it now.

I thought it wasn't about points but turns out it is... guess I need to work my rating back up if I want to get back in the top 200 :-/

NvPinder · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogsi

read tl... interesting read, got it now.

I thought it wasn't about points but turns out it is... guess I need to work my rating back up if I want to get back in the top 200 :-/

if it was on MMR rather than points the top 20 would look fairly different i'd think :P

Benji · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 9:31 PM

I fail to see how being in a different division makes you a significantly better/worse player

cayore · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 9:32 PM

are those all the sea diamond divisions?? or are there more below F rank

Xeen · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 9:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benji

I fail to see how being in a different division makes you a significantly better/worse player

The idea is that it sorts divisions by MMR and win/loss - for the same reason it uses divisions at all. If all of you have similar win/loss ratios, then the top of the division is the one who plays the most, and therefore it's easy to see 'progress' when playing. This is to encourage people to play more, just like divisions are to let people have hope that 'wow, I'm top X in my division' rather than 50000th in the world. The TL thread explains in more detail.

Obviously it breaks down somewhat once people are sorted though.

Benji · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeen

The idea is that it sorts divisions by MMR and win/loss - for the same reason it uses divisions at all. If all of you have similar win/loss ratios, then the top of the division is the one who plays the most, and therefore it's easy to see 'progress' when playing. This is to encourage people to play more, just like divisions are to let people have hope that 'wow, I'm top X in my division' rather than 50000th in the world. The TL thread explains in more detail.

Obviously it breaks down somewhat once people are sorted though.

So how it works now is Player A could be 3000 rated in his division, and simply because other people in his division don't play much/at all, he ranks lower than a 2700 player on the top division. Thats what I don't understand.

Xeen · Wed, 22nd-Dec-2010, 10:30 PM

The division 'modifier' is applied when you join the division, so the Blizzard top 200 ranking simply ignores that and uses the absolute points you have.

You can't be 'cheated' out of points by the system, it just tries to adjust you for the division rankings. The top 200 ranking ignores the applied modifiers, so that 3000 point player A was 'gifted' additional points when joining diamond anyway in your case.

**HDPhoenix** · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Benji

I fail to see how being in a different division makes you a significantly better/worse player

It does seem a little wonky and frankly, I'm disappointed Blizzard took such an easy path for "Top 200". An ELO with hidden rating, adjusted to perhaps 3x that of regular ladder would have been so much better

Unstable · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 10:33 AM

Dont worry Benji, i dont like the system anyway, it certainly doesnt help the better players it rewards mass laddering

Xavi · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 12:08 PM

the ladder system is stupid, the more wins you have the harder it is for you to get points, so like a 1000 point diamond with a 60 wins and 20 losses or something will most of the time be put up againest a 2000-2500 point diamond with 400 wins 300 losses and be favoured.

I mean thats why i think glade, legionnaire, nirvana etc don't have high points and are not ontop of there divisions. They kind of give up with ladder because they would have to play alot of games to get to the top.

I could be all wrong

NvPinder · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavi

the ladder system is stupid, the more wins you have the harder it is for you to get points, so like a 1000 point diamond with a 60 wins and 20 losses or something will most of the time be put up againest a 2000-2500 point diamond with 400 wins 300 losses and be favoured.

I mean thats why i think glade, legionnaire, nirvana etc don't have high points and are not ontop of there divisions. They kind of give up with ladder because they would have to play alot of games to get to the top.

I could be all wrong

The bonus pool is what's ******* up top players attempts at coming back to SEA to ladder, I did a big post about it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=171285

mGMUSE · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 1:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JPMoney

The bonus pool is what's ******* up top players attempts at coming back to SEA to ladder, I did a big post about it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=171285

I think the problem doesnt lie with bonus pool/blizzard's system per se, the problem is that you have too high of an mmr and are at the end of the bell curve. Other people seem to gain points easy but that's because they have lower mmrs and lousier ratio. Thus they get matched up with easier people and gain points faster - but once their bonus pool has been burned they'll have to put in alot of effort to move up the top200 list.

If you want to gain points easier you'll have to start losing games and get matched up with people who will give you more points, repeat and rinse.

However if you do manage to clear all your bonus pool(or even half of it) playing normally I believe you'll end up being #1 on SEA top 200 and possibly your divison as well.

TL;DR

If you want to play on ladder like a normal player, then lose some games and start laddering, repeat and rinse. However if you want to be an elite player then that is what you must expect. Though I'm sure if you get people like nirvana, ice, oxygen and glade together and start laddering together you'll clear all your bonus pools and end up top5 on sea easily.

Xeen · Thu, 23rd-Dec-2010, 2:00 PM

I'd rather just see the bonus pool removed. It turns laddering into a chore even to just keep your rating where it is, and has all sorts of other problems.

It's not necessary.