[Doctor]

Hey there peeps ,
I would like to ask all the brotosses out there.
What is Protoss most cons ? And for PvZ and PvT , name the things that always cause you problem as a Protoss..
I wanna know about what are the things that makes protoss frustated..

Soz for my bad english..
Cheers

[x5_Bard]

Marauders -.-

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ToRCrispy:

[Zealo]

mutas

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[ProAnnn]

Against zerg, their ability to either make pure drones or pure units, makes you feel threatened at all times. For individual units, it will probably be speedlings and roaches. They are so retardedly cost efficient and fast(Speedlings - speedroaches) for counter attacks.

Against terran: Ghosts.

[Bendy]

Not so much a unit, more the ability to tech switch quickly if they bank a lot of larvae.

e.g. when I go for a stalker sentry immortal push against mass roach, kill everything, then get demolished right after by a flood of lings. Probably due to me losing most of my sentries and not having any forcefields though

[FaDeBadger]

Ghosts and mutas. Everything else I can deal with.

[Bash]

Yep, ghosts + Mutas, anything else is generally EZPZ

[Stallion]

ok the way i feel protoss is atm pvp
still revolves around 4 gate and basically you see them be greedy you 4 gate them

pvt
hard but not unwinable its about spreading your units out engaging in the open and denying drops and forcing them to emp either your ghosts 1 by 1 or armyif they hit army pull back and storm if hts make archons and attack easy in writing hard in practice aswell as macroing / expanding behind it espically late game pvt is very hard with mules so that t gets a bigger army

pvz
mass muta is a thing i am striggling against more these days with good players who dnt lose heaps of them for nothing i feel the real lack of good anti air as protoss in this match up atm im getting dts to harras then and let me take a 3rd off 6 gates and going into storm archon stalker and throwing zealots in with extra money as stalkers do crap vs lings. the big issue with this of course is it seems to always come down to a base race no matter what i do im looking forward to seeing how the tempest in Hots affects this issue

so to summurise
pvp nothing mirror lol
pvt ghosts mules
pvz muta

[Kringe]

as terran what frustrates me the most is their tempo play, they can continously stream units to ur base and as toos u fall behind due to the fact u cant macro and micro same time (only race that cant), and gateways early game can not keep up with the continously flowing terran army

also mules just suck dick plus obserevers cost tonnes and waste time of colosi production and scan is pretty much free "but u waste the scan u waste the mule and 300 mins" well shut up nerd because mules dont make money

[EveVendetta]

In PvT, that you can't win a well kiting / micro-ed MMM unless u have collo / charge + upgrades / superior position for FFs to work (which top T players generally manage to avoid as they can drop / retreat easily with speed if they spot u in a superior position.)

And the efficiency of medivac drops as u need a higher value army to defeat that army. Of which the Terran can pull back without losing much if he sees a higher value army approaching.

In PvZ, that you have to turtle and try disruptive things like DT/Air/Warp Prism as you can't keep up with zerg in economy otherwise.

And generally, that the production of warp prism is limited due to the importance of ALL the other robo units (obs, immortal, collo) . In comparison with medivacs which is an obvious choice from starport in almost all the terran armies apart from full mech / banshee harass.

[EveJeonSa]

My problem in PvT is mainly positioning in units.

My problem in PvZ Is everything

[Next_rim]

PvP - my worst problem with protoss. Not that it's hard...it's just boring, imho.

PvZ - ezmode, a-move carriers into greedy zerg. Muta? Who cares, gots 7 stargates on 8 gases.
PvT - 45% winrate. That 55% comes solely from good EMP and me losing macro afterwards.

[Cute]

PvZ in general

Ahh, nothing like a good whine thread ^-^

[NvPinder]

I had 99 problems and building a mothership solved them all.

Something about losing a game when you've built a mothership is much less disheartening and winning is 10x more satisfying. I thoroughly recommend it.

[FaDeBadger]

I like how you think

[nirvAnA]

Originally Posted by TAJPMoney

I had 99 problems and building a mothership solved them all.

Something about losing a game when you've built a mothership is much less disheartening and winning is 10x more satisfying. I thoroughly recommend it.

Agreed! Motership is the PvZ solution to broodlords. PvT still kinda gay for me don't have a good BO down yet for the mothership although i still win games with it winrate is nowhere near pvz

[inFeZa]

mothership is good in pvz. but when your making collosi and they already have a dozen corruptors it just soaks up damage from the colossi. And if your lucky you can get a vortex off.

OR

Recall into their main. It's pretty awesome.

[nirvAnA]

if you're getting collosi you're doing it wrong

this is the build - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=271126

The only thing the OP failed to realise is if you mix immortals into your composition from 1/2 robos and get templars and vortex after all your storm is used up INSTEAD of just zealot/archon you will basically never lose a game.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

Agreed! Motership is the PvZ solution to broodlords. PvT still kinda gay for me don't have a good BO down yet for the mothership although i still win games with it winrate is nowhere near pvz

mmm ive been trying like, 2 base pheonix into mothership zealot archon stuff but it just doesn't seem too feasible in pvt atm unfortunately, ghosts emp range is just waaaaay to fuckn sick, and the fact that you're going zealot archon ontop of that makes ghosts MMM even stronger against your build.

Only way i can see it working is if you thoroughly out-control the terran and feedback every ghost that is within emp range before you cast the vortex, then morph archons -> into the toilet. But it's such an unforgiving and mechanically demanding play style I'm starting to think no one but the highest level broodwar pro-gamers could actually pull it off effectively enough to have it be worth it over just playing more standard builds. Kinda similar to 22-muta harass in broodwar, if you can control like jaedong and hit timings ridiculously crisply it becomes pretty effective, but anything less than best in the world control and multitask and it's kinda dogshit.

[inFeZa]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

if you're getting collosi you're doing it wrong

this is the build - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=271126

The only thing the OP failed to realise is if you mix immortals into your composition from 1/2 robos and get templars and vortex after all your storm is used up INSTEAD of just zealot/archon you will basically never lose a game.

Yeah - i used that build for a while, was good but i found i needed more splash damage earlier game, so i would go 1 gate expand into stargate - get a void, then get 2-3 colossus and take a 3rd, then build the mother ship and archons, i just wanted to retain it for my playstyle some more.