[ToRSpartaz]

SC2SEA: BSG Open #102

Admins:

ThePandarine
Spartaz



The weekly SC2SEA BSG is a 64 player, single elimination style tournament.

+ [Details:] +

Location: SEA Battle.net region.
Tournament Eligibility: You must be in the Bronze, Silver or Gold league (1v1 - SEA license) and you must be active on ladder.
Everyone will be checked for typical smurf activity designed to keep them in a lower league.

When: Saturday 17th of August: 8pm AEST.
In Game Channel: "sc2seaBSG"

+ [Rules:] +

- You must contact your opponent on Battle.net preferably by being in the group "sc2seaBSG" to play your match
- You have ~15 minutes to start your Round 1 match; anybody that is not contactable after 10 minutes will be disqualified. This 10 minute timeout rule applies throughout the tournament.
- Tournament admins or official streamers are always allowed and the only ones to observe your game
- There is no switching of race during the tournament.
- Problems/Questions: When in doubt about anything, contact an admin
- Reporting Results: After the match has been played, you must report the result by pm to an admin
- Disconnects: If a player disconnects, the game must be replayed. If a player disconnects for a second time, his opponent will be awarded a free-win. A win may also be awarded if the player that disconnected was significantly behind at the time of disconnection. Contact an admin if you would like your game/replay reviewed.
- Pauses: You must notify your opponent in game if you wish to pause. This pause should not exceed 5 minutes. Excessive pausing in game may lead to disqualification.
- Bad Manner will not be tolerated. Anyone caught BMing will be warned. Further offenses will lead to disqualification. Any racist, hateful or excessively derogatory language may lead to removal without warning. We are a friendly group and we'd like to see it stay that way.
- Replays: Should be saved at least until the following tournament. Anyone asked by admins to provide a replay who cannot do so will be disqualified.

Join Tournament Here!

SC2SEA BSG Ladder Ranking:

Format:

1. Round of 32 bo1 on Newkirk Precinct TE
2. Round of 16 bo1 on Akilon Wastes
3. Quarter Finals bo3 on Derelict Watcher TE
4. Semi Finals bo3 on Star Station
5. Grand Final bo5 on Whirlwind LE

For finals rounds that are best of 3 or 5, loser of previous game may pick any map from the following list. Maps may be repeated as many times as players wish.

Possible streamers/casters for this event will be welcomed to put their names forward as well, but for now best of luck all the players who will be participating in this week's tournament, hopefully we will have an awesome turn out!

[DarthBruton]

I am on leave this week due to family but I should be back up to being an admin next week so fix up the admins!

[Philosopher]

If you need a caster. I'll give it a go. Let me know what time. Co-Caster Welcome

Quick Comments

ToRPandarine:

tht wld be nice...pm me? :3

[ToRsLeePiNz]

my Leader is hosting this BSG must win! lol

[syfRize]

I can't see current participants without entering? Or is that just me being a retard? s:

[Seffy]

Originally Posted by AxS.KnighT

I can't see current participants without entering? Or is that just me being a retard? s:

The script is borked.

[sR.Kumo]

I joined and now I can't find the page again either... Maybe we're both technologically retarded idk

[ToRPandarine]

for those who wanna sign up and view participants:-

HERE

click 'Join Tournament' and just click 'Yes' if you wanna participate...sometimes codes just borking up can't be helped :/

EDIT: Stream can now be found here - www.twitch.tv/phil0s0pher

Quick Comments

syfRize:

Thanks!!

[Narse]

There were two tournament sign ups posted I you clicked on the top menu for tournaments so I signed up for both just to be safe

[sR.Kumo]

Just do double check if my time conversions are right... The tournament takes place 16:40 hours from when my message was posted?
Can someone confirm this for me? C: thanks!

Quick Comments

	ToRSpartaz:	Confirmed mate :)
	Sparx:	thanks for the free win last week kumo, not that it helped me any ;)

[ToRPandarine]

BTW GUYS...

remember, its GROUP not chat

sc2seaBSG

[sR.Kumo]

Originally Posted by AxS.Kumo

*Sparx: *
thanks for the free win last week kumo, not that it helped me any

haha, welcome xD

[ToRPandarine]

Incase of anything, this post is reserved by order of ThePandarine

Replacing
Celestialcat was replaced with Xalaphax upon request. I granted it as Celestialcat had not shown up after 15 minutes and the other player was okay with Xalaphax replacing Celestialcat.

Official Statement Regarding Ryze

Not playing his ladder race - Plays '' on ladder but plays
According to Ryze, he prefers playing Zerg and the ONLY reason he plays Random/Terran/Protoss is to better understand the matchup of ZvT and ZvP. In addition, I do not know if there was an issue last week but he played last week AS a ZERG. There are some other things that require some deliberation within the Admin team as well as some others cause there is some conflict here

Smurfing
We here at the BSG Open take smurfing as a VERY SERIOUS OFFENCE as it not only is a breach of trust to the Admins but to the other players, the site and the community as a whole.

Ryze was suspected to be at least to level.

First complaints came as Ryze was moved into the Quarterfinals. Looking at the replays and the reasoning brought forward, I decided to keep an eye as well as watch whatever replays were given to me. Further and more forward complaints were brought after he had won over Tribewafer.

As I was the Admin for the night (many thanks to Spartaz/Sleep for helping out with the initial flood), I made my decision based on the following.

• Match History - His match history has a mix bag of Unranked, BSG and ex-Platinum now in Gold players. This makes the determination of his true league inconclusive.
  
• Gameplay - While his mechanics of the game is questionable for this level, it can also be said that it is entirely possible for a BSG to have this level of skill and still be a legitimate BSG.
  
  Also, it is very hard to maintain a completely unbiased stance when looking through the replays without getting outside assistance (not saying you guys are biased). Looking at the replays, it came to me as inconclusive.
  
• Information and Compliance - After questioning him about his laddering habits, Ryze has agreed to Rank Ladder as a Zerg and Unrank Ladder for his other offracing needs.

Lastly, I gave him the benefit of the doubt as there was no issue last week when he played and won (as far as I know).

It is/was a nice for a change that I did not have players coming to me cursing away AT and ABOUT me as well as the player in question. I extend my thanks to the players involved for showing this level of maturity. for once

If anyone is unhappy with my decision and would like that I step down, please PM me and I will do so promptly. I am no tyrant nor biased prick. I try my best to keep the peace and make sure the tournament is an enjoyable experience despite my absence in most.

ThePandarine

Quick Comments

	sR.Kumo:	I haz seen invisible texts
	ToRSpartaz:	Good work Owen!

[Narse]

I dont think it was an issue for you to step down whatsoever, i doubt anyone is asking you that... that needs to not be brought up again.

Regardless of what he wants to play as (and i've been in 20 bsg tournaments now?) i've always been told you play the race your ladder shows. In this case his was Random, he should be playing random as his race. TheRested who is a random player in the BSG plays as Random for his race without issue.

Asrath's last BSG she was doing a similar situation came up and this was the ruling, play the race your ladder is. You can only then switch to the race you play once your icon has changed in your ladder.

There have also been issues in the early days of me playing BSG where a person wanted to play protoss, but his icon was something else, the player was told to be the current race he was for that as well... i can't remember names i just remember the situation unfolding, so this last paragraph is just words i guess?

Ryze has now won two in a row...(has only done two BSG's) the only other person i know who's won 2 in a row is Bluey, who've none of us has seen since.

[TCPKerO]

GG Well Played everyone, everyone showed some great potential and I hope to see you all in the GPD soon!

Thanks again for letting me cast, and hopefully I will see you all again next week .

[Seffy]

Btw his match history 2 weeks ago showed he was playing Protoss and was under 100 apm on average.

Then you see him go on a MASSIVE WINNING streak where his apm was >150 as Terran, Zerg and at one or two cases, Protoss.

To be honest, it's not really that conclusive, however it does seem like someone else is playing on it. And whoever that someone else is, is the one playing in the Opens.

Originally Posted by ToRPandarine

Lastly, I gave him the benefit of the doubt as there was no issue last week when he played and won (as far as I know).

That's because I personally had Shockwave look at it and he found it was inconclusive so I didn't see a point in further discussing it around then.

[Lokth]

Originally Posted by mGGCrayonPop

Btw his match history 2 weeks ago showed he was playing Protoss and was under 100 apm on average.

Then you see him go on a MASSIVE WINNING streak where his apm was >150 as Terran, Zerg and at one or two cases, Protoss.

Thats normal. Ask any toss player, they're apm will be way lower then the other races. Protoss dosent have a production pattern to increase APM like terran and zerg have.

A toss's apm will spike drastically if you hit late game and are constantly warping in from 10+ gates.

Quick Comments

sR.Kumo:

my brother plays toss at the same level as I am and I'm zerg yet his APM is more than mine T_T

[tribewarfer]

I feel very disappointed in the other bsg admins who did not come up. This issue would of been done easier and would of helped Panda

[SwankyGecko]

gg to all, including ryze

[ToRPandarine]

Originally Posted by Narse

Regardless of what he wants to play as (and i've been in 20 bsg tournaments now?) i've always been told you play the race your ladder shows. In this case his was Random, he should be playing random as his race. TheRested who is a random player in the BSG plays as Random for his race without issue.

Asrath's last BSG she was doing a similar situation came up and this was the ruling, play the race your ladder is. You can only then switch to the race you play once your icon has changed in your ladder.

There have also been issues in the early days of me playing BSG where a person wanted to play protoss, but his icon was something else, the player was told to be the current race he was for that as well... i can't remember names i just remember the situation unfolding, so this last paragraph is just words i guess?

Ryze has now won two in a row...(has only done two BSG's) the only other person i know who's won 2 in a row is Bluey, who've none of us has seen since.

Yes, I know that if you Random, you Random. However, again, last week he played Zerg and there was no issue. Once I had that cleared up, I decided not to press further.

Portraits can be very misleading, especially if you've had enough games. Portraits that come from the EXP earned to me means jack cause I can just go play a bunch of Team Games and then roll around with a Kerrigan portrait no?

And I'm pretty sure Reyze and Bluey are not the only guys who have won two (or even more) BSG Opens. Back to back, not to sure but I do recall some players winning back to back. Might need to look into that.

Ultimately, my decision, my responsibility.

Originally Posted by mGGCrayonPop

Btw his match history 2 weeks ago showed he was playing Protoss and was under 100 apm on average.

Then you see him go on a MASSIVE WINNING streak where his apm was >150 as Terran, Zerg and at one or two cases, Protoss.

To be honest, it's not really that conclusive, however it does seem like someone else is playing on it. And whoever that someone else is, is the one playing in the Opens.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToRPandarine
Lastly, I gave him the benefit of the doubt as there was no issue last week when he played and won (as far as I know).
That's because I personally had Shockwave look at it and he found it was inconclusive so I didn't see a point in further discussing it around then.

I looked at it, it was mind boggling and I was very skeptical. Once I had questioned him about why he goes Random, I put it as circumstantial.

Possibility of someone else playing has come up but because it is difficult at times to be sure that it is indeed someone else without proper and full analysis (we're talking about Pros analysing a 1080p long page of replays). And given the time frame, I, and only I, can say it would not have no effect except in the future.

Good to know it was brought up and settled, somewhat.

Again, I can only say I take sole responsibility.

Originally Posted by tribewarfer

I feel very disappointed in the other bsg admins who did not come up. This issue would of been done easier and would of helped Panda

Some events could not have been avoided. It is unfortunate but never the less happened.

Again, I take sole responsibility.

EDIT: I would also like to add that while APM can be used as an indicator or a warning sign, please do not, AT ALL COST just make a complaint/report based on APM. It is highly flimsy. In fact, it is so flimsy my dead grandfather who is six feet under could possibly fart and blow it around the world a kazillion times over. Seriously, do not just use APM as a reason. As a indicator or warning sign, go ahead. Anything more and I (and most likely I) will only give you a fraction of the attention actually required.

[Narse]

Originally Posted by ToRPandarine

Yes, I know that if you Random, you Random. However, again, last week he played Zerg and there was no issue. Once I had that cleared up, I decided not to press further.

Portraits can be very misleading, especially if you've had enough games. Portraits that come from the EXP earned to me means jack cause I can just go play a bunch of Team Games and then roll around with a Kerrigan portrait no?

And I'm pretty sure Reyze and Bluey are not the only guys who have won two (or even more) BSG Opens. Back to back, not to sure but I do recall some players winning back to back. Might need to look into that.

Ultimately, my decision, my responsibility.

I do not take portraits into account for anything? I don't know where that came up... I am saying in recent history (so over the last 20-22 weeks) I have not seen anyone else win back to back... Of course i could be wrong.

This would've been picked up easily last week by myself had i been able to continue playing, but due to emergencies and me being sick i had to drop out when my match with Ryze came up. This was unfortunate it could not have been dealt with last week.

[Rocky.]

I remember when I switched to Protoss and went to paly in the BSG and becasue I had played more terran on the ladder I was told I had to play ladder.

It can be argued that Ryze is only in gold due to the fact that his protoss and terran are sub-par compaired to his zerg and that his zerg play is higher than that of the average BSG player, I mean I have seen him take games of Diamond Protoss players from VB as zerg.

This being said on the ladder, he is only in gold and was allowed to play in the BSG's therefore I believe that he should have to play as random, even in the rules I think it says this as this is what I was told when I wanted to play protoss.

Just my 2c but then again who cares Im a nobody :P

Quick Comments

Seffy:

It's a good two cents, and you're not a nobody.

[sR.Kumo]

Originally Posted by Narse

Ryze has now won two in a row...(has only done two BSG's) the only other person i know who's won 2 in a row is Bluey, who've none of us has seen since.

Lol this made me feel you were suggesting you're gonna jump Ryze for winning twice in a row xD

[Sparx]

These issues come up every week in the bsg, and i believe will continue until new rules are implemented. Its too hard to prove when its become easier to play on any server with the one account unlike prior to Hots. I don't have a solution, except that possibly to enter the bsg you have to have an affiliation with an sc2sea respected clan, and these clans self govern the entries to avoid bad rep.
This issue is why we can't have nice things.

[mGGNemesis]

There will always be similar problems when we have a BSG tournament. Gold players who have plat or even diamond macro or micro skills but gold decision making skills. Hence looking too good for Gold (probs close to a promo) OR PDM players who are smurfing to play (shame on these people).

Regardless of the issues, having an event for the BSGers to look forward to regularly is and has always been a great initiative and these players (clan or clanless) deserve to have their competitive fun at closer to their levels.

The requirement to ladder a minimum a week is to ensure a match history and also help legit good gold players to get promoted. Being dodgey about it isn't helpful and shows a lack of consideration for both players and admins.

[syfRize]

I've recently uncovered a ring of smurfs who had been playing in the Open.
I'm not going to name names, but it's been proven they drop games.
I know how to find them~

I don't know the full rule set, and I really don't care to read it, but why can it not be straight forward?

If someone was or over any less than 3 seasons ago on ANY server then he/she is not allowed to play.
Race changes? Honestly, who cares. I went from to instantly. It's not about "hey, he was only now he's " the mechanics, game knowledge and other fundamentals ALWAYS follow over if you race change.

Also, it's pretty easy to see if they've been dropping ladder games.


I don't care if i'm not allowed, and I certainly don't care if it is against any rules, but if anyone has some serious concerns about a player that has been "smurfing" in these tournaments, stop bothering the admins if they reach an inconclusive result.
As appointed stats man I feel like i'm a small part of this admin team as well, so don't hesitate to contact me because I have my ways of finding player's accounts on other servers and I don't mind sifting through match history to check APM and opponent's skill level and the potential dropping of games.


After this rant, I feel the need to say; Keep this tournament clean!!
I've been around for a very long time and have competed quite a few times as well as watching nearly every weekend, so don't think admins don't do their job, it's very stressful

KnighT signing off.

[Turkle]

LMAO, I got called for smurfing...... some rand had like 3 units and I stomped him with ma stuff and he cracked the shits.

Quick Comments

Sparx:

According to the tourney chat ingame you had boasted about smurfing and that someone you told made it known in the chat

[sR.Kumo]

Wasn't it you that used to have a brother play on your account, who was a much higher ranked player than you? Last time I played the same thing happened, but admins agreed that your play mechanics weren't as high as what your account suggested.
(Or i'm mixing up with someone else.)

[zarge]

Is there news of the BSG #103?

[Narse]

Originally Posted by zarge

Is there news of the BSG #103?

It usually gets posted sometime on weds-fri... by shockwave.