[ToR.Arnor]

City Hunter's MSI Beat it HotS Launch Tournament will be held on the 28th of April and features some amazing prizes including a MSI Dragon edition Laptop worth $2999! a HUGE thanks to MSI who are our EXCLUSIVE sponsors for this event. MSI will also be supply us with 10 of their best laptops for you guys to test on the day!



Detailed Schedule

Event Date: 28/4/2013

Event Time: 10:00am to Late

Format: Groups into Single Elimination

Location: City Hunter Chinatown



Competition Rules

City Hunter will adopt the rule format used my major competitions such as GSL, IEM and MLG


Prizes

1st- MSI Dragon Edition Notebook + Certificate

2nd- SteelSeries Siberia V2 Headset t + Certificate

3rd- SteelSeries Siberia V2 Headset + Certificate

4th- SteelSeries Mousepad

5th- SteelSeries Mousepad

6th- SteelSeries Mousepad


Prizes for Everyone!

FREE MSI T-Shirt for all Gamers!*

*Limited to 1st 100 entrants

Registration:$10 per person


BREAKING NEWS!!!!

At the end of the tournament the 10 Laptops MSI supplied us with will go under the hammer! Thats right the the ten laptops ten laptops will auctioned at the end of the event!



Specifications

[spoiler]Specifications in brief


GX60 3AE -
CPU- A10-5750M
GFX - HD7970/A10-5750M
RAM- DDR3-1600MHz up to 16GB
HD- 750G HDD

GT70 0NE
CPU- Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM Processor
GFX- GTX680M 4G,
RAM- DDR3-1600MHz up to 16GB
HD- 750GB + dual 128GB mSATA SSD


GT70 0ND
CPU- Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM Processor
GFX- GTX675MM 2G,
RAM- DDR3-1600MHz up to 16GB
HD- 750GB

GE70 0ND
CPU- Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM Processor
GFX- GTX660M 2GB,
RAM- DDR3-1600MHz up to 16GB
HD- 500GB + 64GB SSD
/spoiler]

Also MSI will be giving away some awesome gear on their facebook over the coming month, be sure to like their page and get involved!

https://www.facebook.com/msiaus


Questions? feedback? etc leave comment below ill try and reply asap ^_^

[syfChadMann]

sick prizes.. but woah that prize distribution.. Laptop then headset. :'( 2nd Place is going to be sooo bummed.

[syfSoundwave]

[ETL] Soundwave.916

[NvRossi]

awesome stuff chris

NvRossi signin up

[iM MaFia]

nice laptops
signing up!

[JaYbOc]

jayboc signing up

[Hydroid]

Consider me in!

[ToRsupapower]

ToRmissAsuzy. 812. Masters

[PiG]

This looks awesome! [x5]PiG Signing up!

[ChowMuddha]

@ToRSupapower holy shit gold to masters so quick seems like a couple of months ago you had won the bsg, time goes by so quickly

[ericyujin99]

afhraitToT.322 ,sign me up Chris

[Hydroid]

I will post this here too, but I already put it on the FB event.

Game id: [jgg] Hydroid.732
Rank (Last WoL season): Diamond
Race: Zerg

[aLtNinja]

Looks good sign me up !

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

im going to hug the shit out of you ninj

[FaDeBadger]

I posted on the FB page but

FaDeBadger signing up

[IcedTea]

Woaaah. Awesome prizes.
Just out of curiosity, what is the certificate?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by IcedTea

Woaaah. Awesome prizes.
Just out of curiosity, what is the certificate?

Itll be designed by someone on our art team

kinda like a merit award you would receive in highschool or something

Quick Comments

IcedTea:

Ah, I see. Thats quite cool. :)

[VB_Blake]

this is a sick prize pool and i wouldn't mind a free t-shirt but unfortunately its the day before I have 3 assignments due

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

The only time to do assignments is the day before the are due!

[|Erasmus|]

ToRErasmus

[VB_Blake]

ToRDjvillian:
The only time to do assignments is the day before the are due!

I'll try to get them done but realistically i'll be caught up in things that i'll have at least one to finish off that day

[ROOT`iaguz]

Sign me up.

[NExt]

i don't see how to sign up but I see people just doing it here. so lets have some fun!

everNExt signing up.

[ToR.Arnor]

signing up for a friend

xGKingKOng

[Junho]

sRJunho.291
diamondzerg

[SayfT]

Singing up

Gerlan.909 Terran

[Hyperion]

I'm in hombre!

Quick Comments

Hydroid:

Dude, get your [jgg] tags on.

[fal]

My life for new headset or mouse pad!
Oogray, diamond, toss, 824

[ToR.Arnor]

Cool everyone signed up, be sure to tell your friends guys, lets start off HotS with a bang!

Also Ive added specs of the laptops going up for auction to the op for those interested!

[sRRising]

axisRisinG toss masters

Quick Comments

ToR.Arnor:

thanks!

[Voja]

Sign us up
VoLja - 341 - Zerg
Qwas - 220 - Terran
Dora - 741 - Terran
Dendi - 679 - Zerg
A couple of other people I know may also join. I'll added them later.
Thank you!

Also, has the map pool been decided yet?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Voja

Sign us up
VoLja - 341 - Zerg
Qwas - 220 - Terran
Dora - can't remember. Will edit later - Terran
Dendi - 679 - Zerg
A couple of other people I know may also join. I'll added them later.
Thank you!

Also, has the map pool been decided yet?

Hey Voja

Thanks for the sign ups!, keep em coming :P

As for the Map Pool, Im currently seriously considering using the ACL Map Pool, the event is this weekend, im going to be asking a few people after the event how balanced they felt to map pool was before locking it in


@Everyone Please help share this event guys ^_^

[ROOT`iaguz]

Use the ACL map pool, it's pretty fair especially with 2 vetos and you get tons of practice cuz it's basically the best ladder pool since ever.

Except Korhal city. **** that unplayable trash.

Quick Comments

TCPLemminks:

and star station? No one seemed to play on that map

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by fray`Rogue

I will be coming along! Sign me up although I am unsure if I will play cause Ninja will mock me for being bad.

^_^ Im trying to arrange for some casual games (mircowars, monobattles etc) with small prizes (mousepads, shop credit etc) so therell be other things to do too

Originally Posted by fray`iaguz

Use the ACL map pool, it's pretty fair especially with 2 vetos and you get tons of practice cuz it's basically the best ladder pool since ever.

Except Korhal city. **** that unplayable trash.

So just ACL map pool?

awesome ^_^


Ill also be testing the ping to SEA/NA for a couple ISPs this week, hopefully we wont have the same issues we had at the start of the last event

Quick Comments

|Erasmus|:

The important part is to come to Korean bbq afterwards...

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

I will be coming along! Sign me up although I am unsure if I will play cause Ninja will mock me for being bad.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Alternatively if you need someone to admin etc I can do that for you or just help out in general organising fun games. Let me know anyway!

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by fray`Rogue

Alternatively if you need someone to admin etc I can do that for you or just help out in general organising fun games. Let me know anyway!

If you could help organise little fun games thatd be great ^_^

[Pandan]

Have you and Benji organised GameHeart w/ MSI/CityHunter combo logos etc? Be great to see it man

I also think a few teams are missing from gameheart - avant was one - I didn't get to see if Fray was on it yet either. Hopefully someone can get in contact with the dude before the event so it's all ready.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Pandan

Have you and Benji organised GameHeart w/ MSI/CityHunter combo logos etc? Be great to see it man

I also think a few teams are missing from gameheart - avant was one - I didn't get to see if Fray was on it yet either. Hopefully someone can get in contact with the dude before the event so it's all ready.

from my understanding iM, Nv, xG, Fray and x5 were in there,

But this is a really good idea, Does anyone know how to contact him?

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

from my understanding iM, Nv, xG, Fray and x5 were in there,

But this is a really good idea, Does anyone know how to contact him?

From the TL thread:

Originally Posted by Gameheart

TeamGameHeart@gmail.com

You can reach me on skype as rtschutter

twitter: @rtschutter

I am rtschutter on reddit.

Quick Comments

ToR.Arnor:

Thanks!

[GameHeart]

Hey guys, I love the SEA scene and anything I can do to help you guys out just let me know. I have provided some information to Chris on how to submit new team and league logos for addition to the GameHeart overlay, but I wanted to add that if any team that is already in the overlay does not like the logo I have used for your team please feel free to provide me with a different one.

Even if your team pretty much just consists of you and a friend or something, you are absolutely welcome to have your logo in the overlay.

At this time I am not allowing sponsors in the logos that go directly on the map (with the exception for teams that basically are the sponsor such as Team Acer) but I may show team sponsors elsewhere in the interface or presentation of GameHeart (like in the countdown or victory screens for example) so if your team has sponsors feel free to send them as a separate image. Here is some general information on submitting team and sponsor logos for addition to the overlay:

To get your TEAM logos into the GameHeart overlay they must be provided to me in a PNG or PSD format with a transparent background. TEAM logos go into the overlay in a 1x1 square format (248x248px). You may send them to me at any resolution you wish and I will resize them as I add them to the overlay. Please name your team logos using the following format: "TEAM_Evil_Geniuses.png"

If your team has sponsors and you would like them to make it into the overlay in the future (this is something we are considering) please provide them to me now. The format for how team sponsors will go into the overlay is undecided at the moment, but please put them all into one PNG or PSD image with a transparent background and use the following naming format: "TEAM_Evil_Geniuses_sponsors.png"

Emails should go to TeamGameHeart@gmail.com

Thank you guys and I hope the event turns out awesome!

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

♥ what a boss ♥

[ROOT`iaguz]

Originally Posted by GameHeart

Hey guys, I love the SEA scene and anything I can do to help you guys out just let me know. I have provided some information to Chris on how to submit new team and league logos for addition to the GameHeart overlay, but I wanted to add that if any team that is already in the overlay does not like the logo I have used for your team please feel free to provide me with a different one.

Even if your team pretty much just consists of you and a friend or something, you are absolutely welcome to have your logo in the overlay.

At this time I am not allowing sponsors in the logos that go directly on the map (with the exception for teams that basically are the sponsor such as Team Acer) but I may show team sponsors elsewhere in the interface or presentation of GameHeart (like in the countdown or victory screens for example) so if your team has sponsors feel free to send them as a separate image. Here is some general information on submitting team and sponsor logos for addition to the overlay:

To get your TEAM logos into the GameHeart overlay they must be provided to me in a PNG or PSD format with a transparent background. TEAM logos go into the overlay in a 1x1 square format (248x248px). You may send them to me at any resolution you wish and I will resize them as I add them to the overlay. Please name your team logos using the following format: "TEAM_Evil_Geniuses.png"

If your team has sponsors and you would like them to make it into the overlay in the future (this is something we are considering) please provide them to me now. The format for how team sponsors will go into the overlay is undecided at the moment, but please put them all into one PNG or PSD image with a transparent background and use the following naming format: "TEAM_Evil_Geniuses_sponsors.png"

Emails should go to TeamGameHeart@gmail.com

Thank you guys and I hope the event turns out awesome!

Hey you guys are awesome.

Quick Comments

	|Erasmus|:	^^ This
	NvRossi:	we ♥ gameheart

[Benji]

I'll send you a better logo for our team tonight hopefully.

Thanks for your hard work!

[GameHeart]

Thanks guys.

Another thing is if any of you have concerns about the experience playing on GameHeart in a competitive environment as a player please let me know. I want the overlay to have as little impact on players as possible. Most of the players who have used it so for in competition do not speak English so it has been difficult for me to get feedback, so anything you have is helpful.

[Reere]

Such a boss. Thank you GameHeart~!

[ToR.Arnor]

Hey guys,

Keep those sign ups coming!

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by GameHeart

Last call for team/league and sponsor logos for awhile! The deadline will be 48 hours from this post, on Friday April 19th at 5pm PST.

More Info here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...entpage=18#354

Teams if you want to be included the GameHeart Overlays for this comp please email Gameheart before the deadline!

Anyway shoutout to Gameheart for being such a awesome boss who is supporting our scene!

[NvRossi]

i hope the internet this time round is better as i left the last one early due to it being unplayable.

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by NvRossi

i hope the internet this time round is better as i left the last one early due to it being unplayable.

Yeah one of our isps has been having troubles with SCII atm, we switch to the other ISP shortly after you left and it was fine

I tested the ping yesterday and was getting 200 ms to SEA and 180 to NA (which is sadly about average these days)

I dont want a repeat of what happened last time, I was not a happy camper

[NvRossi]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Yeah one of our isps has been having troubles with SCII atm, we switch to the other ISP shortly after you left and it was fine

I tested the ping yesterday and was getting 200 ms to SEA and 180 to NA (which is sadly about average these days)

I dont want a repeat of what happened last time, I was not a happy camper

Very awesome! Thanks for that

[iM tgun]

Kingkong told me that if I didn't come he'd eat my soul, so I guess i'm coming.

[SayfT]

I hope a Terran or a Protoss wins this but that is just crazy talk I think lol

Quick Comments

syfChadMann:

iaguz, Rossi and Light?.. I don't think its crazy at all.

[Hydroid]

Hey, I need to sign up for a clanmate.

Name: [jgg]Beets (not sure of character code)
Race: Zerg
League: Diamond

[SLCN.NXZ]

I might fly down. Decisions.

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

do it just to hang with me babe

[Junho]

sRJunho.291

Sign me up

[myth_au]

sign me up myth.369 will pay on the day

[iM MaFia]

withdrawing sry

[SayfT]

might not be able to make it, drinking night prior to this. if am awake by 8 on sunday then i shall attend.

[ChowMuddha]

wont be playing but ill drop by and watch some sick gameplay

[syfPhoenix]

Phoenix.532
I pretty sure thats it :S

[mGGDrGooSe]

[mGGods]DrGooSe.266. That's what it was in WoL anyway, assuming it hasn't changed.

[ChowMuddha]

scratch that last post sign me up ChowMuddha, 545 i think

[ToR.Arnor]

Ok Guys

Looking to get a head count for whos keen to go to Seoul Ria after the event / auction? ^_^

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Count Dippa, Pandan and I in please

[Hydroid]

I'm in for Seoul Ria!

[|Erasmus|]

+1

10 char

[syntox]

sign me up as protoss

[Voja]

Is it possible to join the tournament on and CityHunter account? (according to a friend, apparently they exist). I've got 2 friends who wanna join but don't have HotS yet, and no, they're not bronze :P

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

Wood league?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Voja

Is it possible to join the tournament on and CityHunter account? (according to a friend, apparently they exist). I've got 2 friends who wanna join but don't have HotS yet, and no, they're not bronze :P

hey yes that should be fine my only concern if that I believe the CH accounts auto log into SEA still (where atm we get better ping to NA) although I read last night ping to Singapore has been fixed

long story short, Ill have IT make it so the account auto log into the same server we'll be using for the comp, Yes your friends can use our accounts, Just sign them up the same way (except instead of IGN they can sign up with First name + first letter of last name )

[Voja]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

hey yes that should be fine my only concern if that I believe the CH accounts auto log into SEA still (where atm we get better ping to NA) although I read last night ping to Singapore has been fixed

long story short, Ill have IT make it so the account auto log into the same server we'll be using for the comp, Yes your friends can use our accounts, Just sign them up the same way (except instead of IGN they can sign up with First name + first letter of last name )

Awesome, Thanks!
Darius Chiu - Protoss - Gold
Adrian Wu - Zerg - Masters

[Punta]

TheOcean.844
Masters Terran

[ToR.Arnor]

Anyways this is looking to be the last lan I run guys, so be sure to come down (whether to play or just hang out)

LOTS of Cheese Buldak and Lemon Soju to be had afterwards as well!

[mGGDrGooSe]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Anyways this is looking to be the last lan I run guys, so be sure to come down (whether to play or just hang out)

LOTS of Cheese Buldak and Lemon Soju to be had afterwards as well!

No more CH lans or no more Arnor+CH lans???

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by mGGDrGooSe

No more CH lans or no more Arnor+CH lans???

A) No idea, B) Almost certainly no

Quick Comments

	syfSoundwave:	:(
	VB_Blake:	:(
	ToRSpartaz:	:(

[mopy]

Quasar 284 master protoss, sign me up please.

[TAriiChard]

You know what? SIGN ME UP!!!! I'll turn up =)

Quick Comments

	syfChadMann:	OH SHIT.. BIG DICK IN THE HOUSE!!!!~
	VoxMSI.Rogue:	yay i cant wait to get some dick!

[ToR.Arnor]

Anyway guys, Im going to make up the groups 1st thing friday morning, so if you are no longer competing let me know

[ToRDjvillian]

Originally Posted by ToR.Arnor

Anyway guys, Im going to make up the groups 1st thing friday morning, so if you are no longer competing let me know

What about last minute sign ups?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by ToRDjvillian

What about last minute sign ups?

theyll be slotted in, I still want to get a head start though

[syfSoundwave]

4 man groups with top 2 advancing? GSL format groups or round robin?

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Add me in to play, I will get shat on but its all for fun! Is there a sign up fee Chris?

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by ETL.Soundwave

4 man groups with top 2 advancing? GSL format groups or round robin?

itll probs be round robin? id like to try GSL but I dont think the numbers will line up properly

Originally Posted by fray`Rogue

Add me in to play, I will get shat on but its all for fun! Is there a sign up fee Chris?

noice, yeah only $10 AUD

[syfSoundwave]

Can't find anyone who can drive me up and not willing to pay $80 for a bus there and back, I guess I have to be taken off the list ;_;

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

:(

[Punta]

TheOcean.844 - Sorry i wont be able to make it anymore can you take me out apologies

[ToRDjvillian]

[ToR] Djvillian /. Still unsure on which to play.

[syfSoundwave]

I can attend now

[Voja]

I'm sorry this is a little late but my friend 'Dendi - 679 - Zerg' won't be able to attend.

[Ghostuz]

Is it too late to sign up? If it isn't I would like to join. Ghostuz.530. I think I'm like silver on the SEA server but I'm masters on my NA account (that's where I play all the time).

[ToR.Arnor]

Ok all you guys are signed up

Liquipedia
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft...nch_Tournament

Live report http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=7348

Also guys the representatives from MSI visited today ^_^ I got confirmation the Laptops going up for auction will have a Reserve price ^_^

Quick Comments

	VoxMSI.Rogue:	:( oh okay just dont put me in TT
	TAriiChard:	rogue can replace erasmus i guess?

[GameHeart]

Oh thank God this isn't until Sunday. I wanted to make sure I got all of the logos uploaded for you guys but I am practically in tears from being so tired from Dreamhack and GSTL stuff. I will do my best to make sure GameHeart is ready to go for you guys on Sunday.

[|Erasmus|]

Sorry chris... not gonna be able to go in the morning and play. I'll still come by in the afternoon and go to kr bbq though. Stupid life getting in the way of things.

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

-_-

[AvPoker]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

Stupid life getting in the way of things.

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ETL.Santi:

just saw this and LOLOLOLOLOL

[|Erasmus|]

yes, he destroys all things terran, including me T_T

[ToRsupapower]

Ugh, sorry this is so late but I won't be able to get there tomorrow -.- WORK CALLS

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

-_-

[ToRDjvillian]

What is this? Why must the only other 2 members pull out?

[GameHeart]

Hey guys, I am really sorry but I don't think I am going to be able to get your logo into the overlay in time for your event. I am having a lot of problems with the editor right now. GameHeart will still be available with a lot of the Australian team logos but the event logo won't be. Sorry about this...

Quick Comments

mGGDrGooSe:

All your fault for being so god darned popular.

[Budokahn]

I recently attended the MSI tournament at City Hunter Chinatown. It was a very casual tournament, probably too casual in my opinon. Games were slow and unorganised. The MSI laptops which were used and the whole tournament was structured around promoting, were full of issues, lag and other operating issues. Even the usually calm under pressure PiG threw his head set at the laptop in an Idra-esk fit of anger (justifiably) as lag was causing major issues in the series against ninja and then the start of the series against iaguz. PiG finally relocated to another area. Although this older computer had no lag issues, both iaguz and PiG had to deal with loud obnoxious and lets call them "lads" yelling at their games (LoL) so overall very unprofessional and badly run event, with very poor exposure for msi in general. Not sure why this event or any events like it have no focus on getting a live spectator crowd in, especially when MSI wanted to auction off the laptops after the finals. The games themselves were pretty good with PiG and iaguz being the highlight series of the night. Casting was pretty poor in production and tgun looked out of place as a caster. I know this is quite a negative take on the whole thing and feel free to take issue, as there may have been some more positive aspects i missed but i felt it was necessary to make this small post so maybe people will do more to promote the smaller tournaments. As making these smaller tournaments more successful are a big way forward in Australian sc2 scene.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

This should be moved to blogs and from this I can tell you are a PiG fanboy but...

1. PiG was asked if it was a hardware problem, he told both MSi and CityHunter it was an internet issue

2. Delays were caused by players, Chris from CityHunter was actually trying to keep things on schedule. If you have ever had any organising experience for these type of events you know that players switching computers then playing several ladder games or leaving for lunch etc is going to cause delays. Please do not call this an unprofessionally run or bad event because you clearly have no idea about running an event.

3. The LoL players were loud. Dude, its an internet cafe.. You realise players deal with the same thing at ACL etc with CoD kids screaming? This is just another part of being at a live event. If a player can't handle it or uses it as an excuse, perhaps they should turn up on time to get a seat away from the LoL section like the majority of the other competitors.

4. While I agree there was no designated "spectator" area, the auction went well so I don't know why that was brought into it? The problem mainly is space. CityHunter doesn't have wall space for a projector where seats/couches could be organised. However, for the number of true "spectators" present, I don't feel this was as bigger issue as you are making it out to be.

Please when you give feedback take note of the following:

- Post in appropriate forum section OR contact the organisers with your concerns
- Structure your post, a wall of text just makes you look bad (sorry but it is true)
- Remove bias of one player from your post or ASK THE PLAYER TO POST the organisers and MSi were told explicitly by the player you are mentioning that their hardware was not at fault. You clearly have bad information please learn to research.

Quick Comments

ToRDjvillian:

+1 on all points raised by rogue

[ETL.Santi]

CH events are awesome. what u talkin about willis?

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

haters gon hate santi!

[Benji]

Casting was pretty poor in production and tgun looked out of place as a caster.

More details required with regards to this point.

Quick Comments

VoxMSI.Rogue:

tgun looked like a child sitting on your shoulder, but that pleased me so idk

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

More details required with regards to this point.

Re: Rogue. It was basically because we had no space. The amount of room at the casting computer area was very little - didn't really bother me, anyone complaining about how I look on camera is fine. It means I'm doing a good job, actually.. you know..

commentating.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

lmao I know dude, that is simply the only thing I can think of when they said "out of place"

Considering your commentary is always spot on and the stream production looked pretty good considering it was from the venue etc.

I think it was more the camera perspective at times too, but yah I was just being a dick rofl

[SLCN.Kez]

Wasn't there, but its only a small net cafe style tournament dude, don't know what you're expecting

[Dox]

Moved the feedback discussion here since it's relevant to the thread. No harm in providing feedback!

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Feedback is always a good thing.

But remember when you are providing this feedback if it is biased, unstructured or emotional it isn't very helpful!

Make sure you can clearly list examples and be clear about what could be improved on, constructive criticism is the best criticism!

I am not saying you are wrong or don't deserve an opinion, the best thing for growing this community and improving is to hear criticisms of both players and spectators, but having your voice heard is as much about how you provide feedback not just what feedback is being provided!

[Budokahn]

@fray Rouge, not really a PiG fan boy actually observing PiG and tgun talking about people on there ladder games actually gave me a negative opinion of them both, however if i were to be called a fan boy moonglade fan boy will do.

so...

1. if PiG changed what he vocally made clear the issue was, after he moved computers (he thought it was laptop related) then ok fine..

2. i know exactly what caused the delays, and although your right i have no experience in running sc2 tournaments i have however done extensive event planning on a larger scale in my career, so i think i have a valid opinion. The organisers were to forgiving and went overboard with their accommodating the players to move at their on schedule.

3. if the event was promoted and organised well it could have been closed of to public as it would have generated sufficient income. ie no screaming customers.

4.obviously I have seen inside city hunter and think that there is a possibility for spectator viewing and there are many viewing placement possibilities so not sure what your on about there, public attendance is very important at all venue held tournaments.

Soo.. i said it was my take allowing it to be my opinion my view my my my, so bias to one player?? i used PiG as an example to outline what i noticed about the event.

as far as the structure of my post i agree it was poorly set out, just typed out a train of thought and posted it, as i didn't have the foresight to see the level of critic people such as yourself would give it.

Benji, i did feel a little bad for including the casting element, it was mainly poor audio and Tgun always sitting right back looking at you for all the conversation outside of the game, probably not worth making an issue of. i actually think the effort in the live stream by those involved in bringing it to twitch was decent.

[VoxMSI.Rogue]

Originally Posted by Budokahn

1. if PiG changed what he vocally made clear the issue was, after he moved computers (he thought it was laptop related) then ok fine..

Firstly, not being a dick here but no other players complained except for Ninja who's battenet authenticator was running in the background and causing his framerate to drop. KingKong played on one of the laptops for the entire day without any issues. PiG's behaviour in my own opinion was over the top and unnecessary. No player should ever respond like this especially in front of a sponsor.

Secondly, I hate to be the one to say this because Jared is a friend, BUT, he has been known to make excuses for losing in the past which has been pointed out to him on several occasions. I'm not saying I don't believe him, but, if you talk to a number of players in the community in the past he had been known to in other players eyes make excuses. I am not saying this is the truth and these factors have never affected him, but once again without any other player complaining etc it is hard to tell if this issue is legitimate as he never raised any concerns with those running the event about the laptops, he told those in charge it was an internet issue.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

2. i know exactly what caused the delays, and although your right i have no experience in running sc2 tournaments i have however done extensive event planning on a larger scale in my career, so i think i have a valid opinion. The organisers were to forgiving and went overboard with their accommodating the players to move at their on schedule.

If you think anyone who is organising tournaments wishes to be there hours after the schedule was supposed to wrap up, you are crazy! BUT, Chris is well aware of catering to the players who come to his events. Sometimes, you just have to roll with it. When there is 50 plus people things can get behind, there can be problems and players go awol. Walkovers were given and players were told to get on with it. Calling Chris and the event unprofessional is rather unfair I personally have never been to an offline event where it ran to schedule.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

3. if the event was promoted and organised well it could have been closed of to public as it would have generated sufficient income. ie no screaming customers.

CityHunter is part of a chain of stores. Closing to the public may not have been an option without hiring out the entire store which can be an expensive thing to do. The event was promoted with a lot being invested into that promotion by both MSi and CityHunter. Once again, players need to be used to noise at events. Most offline events are not closed off, there will be distractions. Learning to play in these conditions is vital for those who wish to be competitive.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

4.obviously I have seen inside city hunter and think that there is a possibility for spectator viewing and there are many viewing placement possibilities so not sure what your on about there, public attendance is very important at all venue held tournaments.

Without moving desks etc I don't really know how this can be achieved? Remembering that CityHunter would be operating normally the day before and after the event and staff were working 12+ hours on the day of the event I don't know that moving an entire room of built in furniture is possible, then there is questions of storage etc. Granted a spectator area would have been awesome, I personally would have loved to sit down at watch my friends compete but I don't think the lack of area in anyway ruined the event, people sat together and watched the stream in groups regardless.

Originally Posted by Budokahn

Soo.. i said it was my take allowing it to be my opinion my view my my my, so bias to one player?? i used PiG as an example to outline what i noticed about the event.

Sorry, just every complaint you seemed to have centered around PiG which gave the impression of bias.

[Budokahn]

see i find these much better critisims of what i had to say than your initial points thanks

[iM tgun]

For the "awkward" comment: I'll try to work on it in the future. I pretty much ignored the fact that there was a webcam for the most of the event, as I didn't really expect to be there casting, was really just there to say hello to everyone as it was likely the last cityhunter event.

As for advertising it -- it would be a HUGE loss to cityhunter to close the store to public for the day. As much as we all love SC2, the simple fact is that we aren't big enough in sydney to close a lan center down for a day. Also, a lot of the people who play games are lan centers are playing LoL (or other games, but iirc LoL is by far the most popular), thus making them lose even more money.

Setting up a spectator area is almost impossible. Most of the tables, computers.. hell, anything that can be, is bolted down. There's very little room to even stand behind players as they play -- setting up a viewing area in the lan center is simply not feasible, especially since they have to continue day-to-day operations.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by iM tgun

Setting up a spectator area is almost impossible. Most of the tables, computers.. hell, anything that can be, is bolted down. There's very little room to even stand behind players as they play -- setting up a viewing area in the lan center is simply not feasible, especially since they have to continue day-to-day operations.

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

During the whole event, there was generally people in the room next to us. Renting it out is a pretty big loss of income to them.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

There was one quite a while back where they used one of the private rooms as a bit of a viewing area... just had one PC that joined the game as an observer and filled that room to watch. Was quite good, but unsure if they can spare two rooms since often one is used to get a bit of quite space for the stream.

For that event we had ~8 in that room, and whilst it was fun, we ended up trading that for a stream. As tgun has said, 2 rooms is out of the question, we are lucky to get one.

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[x5_dot]

Lol never mind the 2 second lag spikes...

[nGenLight]

On a note, Jared's actually been really good lately at biting the lip when the environment is less than optimal/satisfactory.

I wasn't there on the day but 2 second spikes is retarded, frustration COX is understandable

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