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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 11:32 AM BnetId: ToRMaverick.466  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Bundaberg, Qld, Aust.  Total Posts Made: 373 # 1
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Ehp...wtf!

Some help please....

lvl 60 - Check
Enferno Act 2 - Check
Skills / Runes - Check
Gear - WTF????

I am at the point where the only way up is through better gear. This is getting rather hard to work out to say the least. I am running with a DH and am finding it hard to compare gear based on all the stats..

This is an example i guess of trading off primary attributes vs all resist & armor. Can someone who has gone through all the pain point out what you would tend to do in order to progress through enferno. Is it as easy as looking at the EHP and what ever is the highest, just go with that?

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what a well titled thread
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i had the same problem too :D
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Most DHs I know who are Act 3 and above forego survivability entirely and pump pure DPS. That's the route I'm taking too.

You're choosing between 143 Dex over no Dex, that's like a few thousand DPS difference. I would take the Dex bracers anytime
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The DH i run with in Inferno (all cleared) has 10k hp...

Everything else is DPS, reflect mobs is a pain, but he has lifesteal bow and life on hit with it, so he can live for a while, he just dps's whilst he's invulnerable.

Plus with such high dex, he dodges things!
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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 12:28 PM BnetId: ToRMaverick.466  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Bundaberg, Qld, Aust.  Total Posts Made: 373 # 4
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Thanks for the heads up.... dps it is then. Would love to hear from anyone that has tried to go with a build not based on dps.

Anyone been sucessful with it?
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Thanks for the heads up.... dps it is then. Would love to hear from anyone that has tried to go with a build not based on dps.

Anyone been sucessful with it?
That's the thing, I've never heard of any DH who has progressed much in Inferno who does not go DPS-crazy

My current play style/gear allows me to burst down most normal Act 3 mobs before they can reach me with minimal kiting; when i see a ranged enemy I immed pop smokescreen and try to burst it down before SS ends, and try to maintain max distance.

@Spoon Man that's a sick bow, with life on hit!

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It was only 850k dps though :( and no dex
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Looks like it but its just that it doesnt line up.
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you have to decide what playstyle you want to to use, and what party you are going to play with, and then base it off that. there is no "better" choice in every case, you have to build a set that does what you require.
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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 1:25 PM BnetId: Cyanide.751  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 681 # 8
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Looks like it but its just that it doesnt line up.
you're not suppose to ADD all the resist up, take the highest value across the board or average it all if it isn't the same (probably not as accurate) but i'm sure it's as close as it can get

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Thank for the heads up.... will take the lowest across the board from now on.
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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 5:21 PM BnetId: Theend 947  BattleTag: Theend #6672  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 215 # 9
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Would be nice if someone can tell me what item should i have at lv60 infernal which would let me farm through comfortably.
Especially i am a noob at that and i do not know what stats are important other than the primary attribute.
Thanks in advance.
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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 6:10 PM BnetId: cruxSpoon.276  Race: Location: Brisbane, Australia  Total Posts Made: 166 # 10
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Depends on class, i can answer for wizard

Comfortable stats (doable, but with effort)

HP: 38k (25k)
Resists: 300 (200)
Dmg: 40k (30k)

Naturally it also depends on your build which you do for your playstyle.
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@op - Depends on your playstyle whether to go for an all resists or pure dps build. I, for example, went pure dps (got 12k health atm) and have cleared all of inferno with that. I actually don't know any DH personally that have focused entirely on resists.
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Unread Sat, 9th-Jun-2012, 10:00 PM BnetId: ToRMaverick.466  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Bundaberg, Qld, Aust.  Total Posts Made: 373 # 12
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12k health... i thought you would need like 50k+ at least. I guess you make a choice... get one shot or get 2 shot by the elites / rares. Im not a big fan of the idea of the glass cannon but may need to adopt the strat soon if I cant progress.

How do you deal with the bosses with such low HP... belial must have been a nightmare!

My stats:

DPS: 53k (SS), 24k (without SS)
HP: 48k
Resists: 400 (total)

I NEED MORE GOLD!!!
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Exactly, you reach a point where you either get one shot by everything or two-shot if you stack resists and sacrfice DPS.

Do you have high +crit damage or something? Seems to scale up quite nicely with SS. I'm surprised you have that much DPS with that much HP.

Belial is really all about adds management, once you can do that well you got it down. I should try soloing it to see if my current gear can do it heh. (I cleared it with a Monk last time)

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Unread Sun, 10th-Jun-2012, 8:24 AM BnetId: ToRMaverick.466  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Bundaberg, Qld, Aust.  Total Posts Made: 373 # 14
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Do you have high +crit damage or something? Seems to scale up quite nicely with SS. I'm surprised you have that much DPS with that much HP.
Yeah, I have +81% critcal damage on my items and the +50% critical damage bonus from my crossbow brings it to a grand total of +131%.

I am however going to be looking for a replacement bow shortly as I prefer a fast cast rate over the higher damage per hit. I like the hate gen with the faster cast rate as I think it will be of benift in the late game. My crossbow is only 808dps atm but gives me an extra 15k life through its +239 vit bonus. I want at least a 1000dps bow to make up for it though.
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I agree with the others here on life, I have around 10k with my wiz (lvl 46) and I'm still in Act 2 Nightmare. I am enyoing the challenge, but I still keep looking for more vitality.
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haha 1k DPS bows are pretty cheap now, it's the step up >1050 DPS that the price suddenly spikes to several millions.
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haha 1k DPS bows are pretty cheap now, it's the step up >1050 DPS that the price suddenly spikes to several millions.
Would love one of the one at 1300+ dps... probably easier to win the lotto.
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Unread Sat, 16th-Jun-2012, 2:44 PM BnetId: ToRMaverick.466  Race: Clan: ToR  Location: Bundaberg, Qld, Aust.  Total Posts Made: 373 # 18
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haha 1k DPS bows are pretty cheap now, it's the step up >1050 DPS that the price suddenly spikes to several millions.
How prices do change... I picked up a 1100dps bow for 500k. Brough my dps up to over 70,000... thing is I still cant beat belial in inferno! My lag is just crap 250m/s...

If I dont beat him in the next hundred or so runs I WILL pump the 1100dps straight into my keyboard.
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I have a 953 dps bow with 149 dex if you want it

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Ive got like 12kHP, 1900 Dex, 240 Crit dmg and 38% Dodge.

Managed to clear inferno pony in abt 40mins.
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Ive got like 12kHP, 1900 Dex, 240 Crit dmg and 38% Dodge.

Managed to clear inferno pony in abt 40mins.

Dam...

I have 34k HP, 1909Dex, 80% crit dmg and 39.1 dodge, 2.23 aps. I dont know what the best balance is between the all to MAX your dps.... I have seen on you tube people with 200k dps and im only at 65k (with SS).

Still in act 2 enferno.... grrrr!
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Ive got like 12kHP, 1900 Dex, 240 Crit dmg and 38% Dodge.
If you do not mind, could u list your item name and stats so i can try to find them in auction house.
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I found as a DH as soon as you hit the 100k DPS mark with SS act 3 and act 4 inferno become very doable. it is sad but until next patch stacking DPS is way better then vit resist all.
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