[Frogmite]

Sharn Kemp SEA Premier League
Week 6
Game1: ESV Cloud Kingdom
Game2: MLG Metalopolis
Game3: GSL Bel'shir beach
Game4: GSL Antiga Shipyard
Ace match: MLG The Shattered Temple

+ [map pool loser picks no veto] +

MLG Taldarim Altar, MLG Metalopolis, MLG Shakuras Plateau, GSL Antiga Shipyard, GSL Daybreak, MLG The Shattered Temple, GSL Dual Sight, GSL Bel'shir beach (winter version), ESV Cloud Kingdom

We are adding ESV Cloud Kingdom to the map pool of Sharn Kemp Premier League. Once i find a way to upload gsl metropolis on SEA we will add this one too.

Tuesday 21st February 2012 9PM AEDT

aLt 4 - 2 Herocraft
	aLtnirvAnA 0	< ESV Cloud Kingdom >	2 Shuffle
	SQLNinja 2	< MLG Metalopolis >	0 Timber
	NvYoonYJ 2	< GSL Bel'shir beach >	0 Cobo
	SQL.HuT 1	< GSL Antiga Shipyard >	2 Risen
	TtPiG 2	< MLG The Shattered Temple >	0 tgun

Stream : www.twitch.tv/systemtv
The last season runner-up vs a team of heroes from sc2 sea region. A true fanboy match up were all waiting to see. Since the enigmatic leader of herocraft Moonglade has been beasting up the TeamLiquid ELO ladder as of late if he plays he will be a big hurdle for ALT to face

Mineski 2 - 4 TA
	VTAzz 2	< ESV Cloud Kingdom >	0 SQLyang
	Pobbes 1	< MLG Metalopolis >	2 TAVoices
	MskiJaBiTo 2	< GSL Bel'shir beach >	1 TAEdgE
	MskiWaning 0	< GSL Antiga Shipyard >	2 SQLSenSei
	MskiEnDerr 0	< MLG The Shattered Temple >	2 NvRossi

Casted by ZEPHNARDE Stream : www.twitch.tv/infeza
TA are trying to redeem themselves with the rounds remaining this season. And by taking out one of the top two teams of the season so far Mineski would greatly help there cause. Fighting for honor and pride will be what they hope carry's them over the line in the process giving Mineski a scare and reminding them no team is safe.

ToT 5 - 1 MiTH
	HotlipsToT 2	< ESV Cloud Kingdom >	1 MiTHjump
	FoJJToT 2	< MLG Metalopolis >	0 indy
	jerryToT 2	< GSL Bel'shir beach >	0 Maya
	cjcToT 0	< GSL Antiga Shipyard >	2 GviewHadez
	FlashToT 2	< MLG The Shattered Temple >	0 RedArchon

No stream allocated yet :
Tot and MiTH are both in the middle of the pack as the season progress, constantly eyeing each other off as the rounds went by. Now they get there chance to determine who will remain there trapped in the pack and who will give themselves a little distance. Will newcomers ToT step it up agsnint the might of MiTH. Tune in to find out.

EvE 2 - 4 SPR
	EveWestley 1	< ESV Cloud Kingdom >	2 SungInSPR
	EveStrafe 2	< MLG Metalopolis >	0 MasterSPR
	EveYekke 2	< GSL Bel'shir beach >	0 iStSPR
	EveMaltiso 0	< GSL Antiga Shipyard >	2 BalloonSPR
	EveVendetta 1	< MLG The Shattered Temple >	2 RyoomakSPR

Casted by STITCH Stream: www.twitch.tv/stitchhk
Another important match at this 2/3 point of the season. As both these teams are borderline contenders but to make that final step one of these teams must fall.But which will it be the Korean fed SPR or the forever vigilant and competitive EVE surely a exciting series to follow.

inFi 0 - 4 xGKing
	walkover	< ESV Cloud Kingdom >
	walkover	< MLG Metalopolis >
	walkover	< GSL Bel'shir beach >
	walkover	< GSL Antiga Shipyard >
	walkover	< MLG The Shattered Temple >

Rank	Team	Games	Win	Draw	Loss	Record	Points
	xGKing	6	4	2	0	21/9	14
	ToT	6	3	1	2	21/13	10
	Mski	6	3	1	2	19/17	10
4	aLt	5	2	2	1	16/14	8
5	SPR	6	2	2	2	16/20	8
6	Eve	6	2	1	3	17/19	7
7	inFi	5	1	2	2	14/16	5
8	TA	6	1	2	3	12/24	5
9	Herocraft	3	1	1	1	10/8	4
10	MITH	5	0	2	3	11/19	2

Note: Week 3 game between and (TargA vs GviewHadez) is still unplayed. Week 4 games between and (glade vs ice and tgun vs peace) are postponed to a later date.

Any caster interested to cast one of these games, please let me know in the thread. Benji will get priority to choose his game as he's official caster for Sharn Kemp Premier League.

P.S: I would like to remind everybody that no observers are allowed in the game unless both teams agree.

[iMSystem]

Want me to cover aLt vs Herocraft ?

[Xenomorph]

Hang on...since when does SPR have 3 losses? we should have 1 win 2 draw 2 loss??

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adyb:

agree

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by Xenomorph

Hang on...since when does SPR have 3 losses? we should have 1 win 2 draw 2 loss??

Yes true, it could explain why i gave you 5 points lol.

[nGenLight]

As the players(myself, Jaz etc) are quite friendly with the Infi guys, there wouldn't be a shadow of a doubt that we would have accepted a rescheduling. However Benji has no affiliation with Infi and has no obligation to agree with that favour.

I personally do sympathize with Infi in there problem with fielding a roster worth of player as Roz's post has outlined. However, Benji taking a hard stance on the rule shouldn not be subject to criticism.

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Frogmite:

[nGenLight]

I believe Benji has considered that before his decision.

Note that the delaying of games was already getting on peoples nervous (not trying to place blame, just facts).

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by System

Want me to cover aLt vs Herocraft ?

OK i put you for aLt vs Herocraft. Game starts at 9PM AEDT unless request from Herocraft to move the games.
Maynarde will cast TA vs Mineski

[jump]

to ToT Manager

again and again for MiTH

it's possible to play at 7pm SGT

[iM MaFia]

yeah I agree with Light, tbh I didn't even know what was going on till now, I actually just got home and was expecting to play but was surprised that they got walkovered.

but given the situation why is walkover 4-0 instead of 2-0 for each player + 6-0?

[aLtShortizz]

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch benji. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

I suspect the reject of a schedule is more due to the epic post targa made somewhere.

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	wolf:
	JaFF:

[wolf]

In my opinion it goes against the tight knit community feel and 'spirit of the tournament' we got going on here. As Shortizz stated you've now set a precedent that taking walkovers are fine. Instead of being a boss alpha male and rescheduling, it seems to me you've taken the easy way out.

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by wolf

In my opinion it goes against the tight knit community feel and 'spirit of the tournament' we got going on here. As Shortizz stated you've now set a precedent that taking walkovers are fine. Instead of being a boss alpha male and rescheduling, it seems to me you've taken the easy way out.

Tbh id rather play my match but you have to see that its not exactly fair if some teams are going to delay games because ppl can't show up once a week, teams have subs that fill in slots for players that cant show up, I mean its pretty reasonable if both teams agree to have a match or 2 postponed because its not like were not trying here, that's what we've been doing. But in this case im not exactly sure what happened but you can't say we've taken the easy way out based on what you know.

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nirvAnA:

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

Tbh id rather play my match but you have to see that its not exactly fair if some teams are going to delay games because ppl can't show up once a week, teams have subs that fill in slots for players that cant show up, I mean its pretty reasonable if both teams agree to have a match or 2 postponed because its not like were not trying here, that's what we've been doing. But in this case im not exactly sure what happened but you can't say we've taken the easy way out based on what you know.

Oh, I'm not insinuating that it was the players decision to not play, I was almost certain before-the-fact that you guys would have liked to verse Infi. Based on previous weeks, accommodation have been made by every other team (not only pertaining to Infi) to get the matches played rather than taking the walkover. Also, I said that's just the way it feels to me, not that it was fact. I do admit that I am disappointed in the decision to be honest.

[DeNile]

Beautiful looking post froggy

[Flamga]

If there are any games on friday night would love to cast it if that is ok

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi

If you weren't criticising benji, I think wording of this should've been more careful.

The 3 weeks thing is - there are some of inFi's game thats been postponed and still haven't played till today (it may have been played now idk) or for a long time and Benji didn't want that to happen.

edit: I don't know why the quote has my name on it but its from shortizz.

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nirvAnA:

[iM MaFia]

I can understand why benji would reject because he probably feels its not fair that we have 5 players lined up each week and if ppl can't play on that certain day then we'd replace them but we've never had to reschedule any games unless it was very very last min emergencies (lights case vs spr last week) so he probably thinks that if our team can do it, most the other teams should.

Personally id really like to play my match but i do find it abit silly that inFi cant roster even a few players but want all 5 matches postponed

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wolf:

i like manner discussions

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xGKingMafia

I can understand why benji would reject because he probably feels its not fair that we have 5 players lined up each week and if ppl can't play on that certain day then we'd replace them but we've never had to reschedule any games unless it was very very last min emergencies (lights case vs spr last week) so he probably thinks that if our team can do it, most the other teams should.

Personally id really like to play my match but i do find it abit silly that inFi cant roster even a few players but want all 5 matches postponed

I see where you're coming from, but I don't like the precedent that this now sets on top tier tournament play and I hope it doesn't keep up from seeing great SEA games because of this decision.

[pRoTimber]

jazbas and mafia didnt even know and doesnt mind playing, so why not? it is not wrong to choose to walkover and nobody's gonna force u either, just that ppls impression for benji could change

[Roz]

We've (inFi) said many times before the start of the season that we didn't want to participate in SEACL because of the following reasons:

1. Redarchon and JazBas are playing for other teams already
2. The remaining members on the clan have other commitments such as school, army, and work. TargA will be in Europe and won’t have internet for a while even when he goes back to Aus. Meaning we will not be able to play all the time on the given time and some will even be late most of the time.
3. With all the above, it will be a poor representation of our clan as there is a lack of depth and people to choose from.

The admins at the time guaranteed us that they will be working with other teams to reschedule our games so that we will be able to play properly. Since the admins really tried to help us out with this and wanted us to participate, we decided to join as it would be nice to show some support for sc2sea as well. On top of that, it would also be fun for us to be playing in this.

However, this week we are playing against xGKing and we're told that Benji refused to have any reschedules so we will just have to play at the scheduled time or forfeit. I understand that that's how most tournaments are ran but we really only played because of what we were guaranteed in the beginning.

I’m not trying to cry or anything here, just want to clarify that we don’t delay our games on purpose. We had previous games postponed mainly because the other teams didn’t show or wasn’t able to play and not because we didn’t show up. There are days where we can play and we will know by the beginning of every week but we can’t guarantee that the scheduled time is 1 of those days. That’s why we only chose to play after reaching an agreement with the admins to start but I don't know why that's not the case anymore. We were also unable to submit our lineup because if we don’t even know whether or not there will be a reschedule and which day it would be if there was 1, we don’t know who can play and who can’t….

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	syfChadMann:	I hope Benji can find the time to play the game -_-
	EveParachute:
	x5.Revenant:
	nGenLight:	Clevery disguised shot at INDY, LOL

[Frogmite]

I updated the post with the matchups i get so far. I am still pending for inFi and Herocraft rosters.

[sooie]

Sex
Sex
Sex on the beach

[wTlzq]

edit: nvm Froggy noticed the error already :/

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by lzq

SQLSensei from TA is zerg? ( IF i remb correctly hes toss)

He's the race i tell him to be!
Jokes apart he's and i corrected the OP thanks

[jump]

to ToT

today MiTH can play at 7pm SGT ... pls

[JaFF]

Eve vs SPR 2-4

EveWest 1 - 2 SungInSPR
EveStrafe 2 - 0 MasterSPR
EveYekke 2 - 0 iStSPR
EveMaltiso 0 - 2 BalloonSPR
EveVendetta 1 - 2 ryoomakSPR *EveVendetta was subbed in instead of EveTechtron

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	wolf:	geegee SPR good fight !
	ToR.Arnor:	watched the final set, Balloon so Gosu ^_^
	Xenomorph:	ty for posting results :)

[aLtMrFool]

Don't mean to revive a flame that is a little simmered but here's what I think about the event.

People are trying to fight for 'fairness' because most people thought that there's an unwritten rule that you should try to be as accomodating to any rescheduling of games in SEAL because as we all know, only a small number of people in the SEA scene are NOT full-time gamers and play at our own leisure time.

In most other tournaments, yes- if you do not appear on the svheduled time, consider it your loss. But I'm sure in these tournaments, their invited teams are mostly pro-gamers who play the game full-time! And all of them playing this game full-time, having prepared for their matches and putting in a lot of effort into smashing faces get no-showed, they'll probably feel like they deserve a walk-over for wasted effort.

Now, to our SEA scene, am I right to say that the only team that has a roster that plays starcraft 2 full-time is xGking? Benji is definitely not wrong if he feels that all his players have put in a lot of effort for the games against infi expecting tough matches only to get no-showed and now they have to prepare against 2 teams in the next week, probably decreasing their chance of winning both sets.

However, infi, as well as many other teams in SEAL, are not full-time gamers. At best, only a fraction of their roster plays full-time and whilst they may include really good players, they don't play all the time. Take for example iceiceice. His schedule is roughly that's of 2days 24 hours work( he can't play during this time even if he wanted to, bound by the SAF) and next 2 days available to play. That is his national service obligation and no one can fault him for that and that he can't show up every tuesday. I only cite this example because so far, people have been quite understanding to allow all the rescheduling to take place. Of course, benji (manages a full-time gaming team) and not being from a country with compulsory national service will not be able to relate to something like that. No fault in that, and I'm sure most of you will agree esp if you don't come from a country like that. Or, assume you're trying to work and you assume your client wants to work with you too (thinking he works full time as well) but he doesn't show up. You'd be slightly pissed too.

Now, there's two problems.

One- infi needs a rescheduling because they can't make the timing and they're unhappy that people are not accomodating to their requests when they've only agreed to play if they get to play at times they can. They're unhappy because they feel xGking's people should understand the tightness of their schedule.

Two( I'm gonna assume that benji made the decision he made alone without consulting his players here from what I've heard/know about benji. Correct me if I'm wrong here.) - Benji, understandably, not being able to relate to infi's need and requests and ( definitely even more understandably ) thinking about his players having to prepare a shit-ton more for 2 sets of games, feels pressured to win ( being the premiere team in SEA who play full-time ), made the decision of having the walkover.

Both teams have their share of the story and now here's what I feel could make things better.

1- Targa should apologise for lashing out. I'm quite positive that he made that post because of prior misunderstandings / misconceptions / what he thinks about benji that made him awfully angry with a decision of walkover that if put into benji's shoes, is understandable.

2- Benji, being a manager of players, should consult the 5 players of the day as to whether they're ok with rescheduling of these matches knowing that they have more matches to come in the coming week. If you're thinking for their sake, why not ask them how they feel? If they say its fine, we understand that the opponent team is busy and have their problems of fielding a team / can understand that such things do happen when one team has a roster playing full-time while the other don't, why not do a rescheduling if your players truly want to play and duke it out with another top team in SEA? If, however, the players feel that they have other commitments like a busy tournament schedule in the near future and feel that they cannot lose those tournaments because infi wants to re-schedule and are genuine about it. Walkover SHOULD be awarded.

Of course, those are just my views and I do share the same sentiments with most people here that there should be a rescheduling for the matches done if possible - not walkover as it is the easier way to overcome this problem. The rules are there for a reason and I'm sure the admins will want all problems to be solved in a more amicable and most friendly/honourable manner and only enforce the rules when things get truly out of hand. As it is now, before the problem escalates more, maybe xGking and infi can come to a more common understanding and hope to solve the issue together instead of metting out a decision that may upset the community as a whole. Whilst most people may lash out at benji, I must say you have to put yourself in his shoes that he is managing a full-time pro-team and has his own considerations that may differ from most of us players who are insanely casual in comparison to light/mafia etc. Though, I do not agree with benji's decision and felt that he has failed to take into account infi's side of the story. You might've taken it the wrong way because considering that you know that you have made some snide comments/ unnecessary comments /hurtful remarks over the course of your casting and offended some people during your course of dealing with them, people are more prone to phrase their words in a way that may seem unwittingly hateful and not having put themselves in your shoes. But believe me, they're just trying to let this saga have a better conclusion for the better of everyone. I urge you, in this case, to try to also put yourself in the shoes of people like ice/roz ( and for them and the rest to do the same of putting themselves in your shoes ) and consider what you will want you to have done if you have obligations like compulsory national service. Also, ask your players for opinions and not make your decisions all alone, you might get some better insights.

With that, I end it here. And I hope I do not derail this thread and turn it into a flamefest. I'm just trying my best to sum up the story and show both sides of the story hoping for a better ending than what is happening now. And also, what I've written is simply my perception and if there's any glaring mistakes, please do correct and ill fix it up.

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TAEdgE:

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by lzq

SQLSensei from TA is zerg? ( IF i remb correctly hes toss)

Yeah he's alright.

[TACeeSerps]

Hey Froggy,
With xGKing v inFi being a walkover, is the final result 4-0 (as shown in OP), or 3-0 or 5-0 (as in the rules). The rules are a little vague when it comes to this, and the result shown in the OP makes it more confusing.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by TheCSerps

Hey Froggy,
With xGKing v inFi being a walkover, is the final result 4-0 (as shown in OP), or 3-0 or 5-0 (as in the rules). The rules are a little vague when it comes to this, and the result shown in the OP makes it more confusing.

When i wrote the rules there were no "ace match worth 2 points" thing yet so i thought games were supposed to be on 5 points (hence the 3-0 win). As now games are on 6 points, the walkover will result on a 4-0 win. The forfeiting team will be awarded a 0-6 loss. This rule had been put there so a victory by all-kill worth more than a victory by forfeit. I see already comments on the fact that teams can decide to forfeit to penalize the other team (4-0 instead of possible 6-0) but i hope nobody will do that. I will update the OP now

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

HUH why is infi being walked over?

They can't play this week and the opponent disagree with re-scheduling to next week, decision that i understand. They told me they'll forfeit if they can't postpone the 5 games to next week.

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TACeeSerps:

Thanks for the clarification! Will update on Liquipedia now :)

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

As now games are on 6 points, the walkover will result on a 4-0 win. The forfeiting team will be awarded a 0-6 loss. This rule had been put there so a victory by all-kill worth more than a victory by forfeit.

I don't see why the point of this, doesn't it just opens the possibility to abuse?

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I don't see why the point of this, doesn't it just opens the possibility to abuse?

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

but why not just have it as 6-0 instead of 4-0 so theres no possibility at all?

[syfChadMann]

Problem is.. if/when xG need a reschedule - teams won't accept it because of this precedent that xG have set. Better hope your team can make all their games....

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Problem is.. if/when xG need a reschedule - teams won't accept it because of this precedent that xG have set. Better hope your team can make all their games....

I think you and someothers are not getting the reason of Benji's rejection.

As Light said, inFi already had some matches that are delayed way too much (not trying to blame at all! just stating fact) and the reason Benji refused to reschedule is to avoid this happening.

vs SPR, we did reschedule games and few others too. We had a reasonable reason and the way you are speaking seems like coming from just hatred towards the situation. Yes it would be great if we can play the games, but there was good enough reason to refuse in Benji's pov.

ps. As I say again, I'm not trying to blame inFi at all with delaying matches.

[alwaysdryToT]

HotlipsToT 2 ：1 MiTHjump

FoJJToT 2:0 indy ( use sub for Fah)

jerryToT 2:0 Maya

cjcToT 0:2 GviewHadez

FlashToT 2:0 RedArchon
ToT 5:1Mith

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by alwaysdryToT

HotlipsToT 2 ：1 MiTHjump

FoJJToT 2:0 indy ( use sub for Fah)

jerryToT 2:0 Maya

cjcToT 0:2 GviewHadez

FlashToT 2:0 RedArchon
ToT 5:1Mith

nice work buddy!

ToT fighting!

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alwaysdryToT:

[aLtShortizz]

HUH why is infi being walked over?

[aLtShortizz]

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

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	EveYekke:	benji best caster in sea
	Snx.FigJig:

[Xenomorph]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

I hope you saw my post earlier with the Soulman story, so very similar =_=

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

I told inFi that we can work on re-schedule for their games and it's what we did for the first 5 weeks. Some of their games are still to be played. The thing is that they didn't even give roster and they ask on the monday night to re-schedule the 5 games for next week. The rules still stand. It's not fair for other teams to automatically allow re-schedules. I agree to help but i can't be the only one to make effort.

Don't put this on admins please i am sweating since day 1 to make inFi play all their games in SEACL.

Would like also to add something for all who criticize Benji on the fact to take the walkovers. You don't have to accept re-schedule, it's always nice to accept but in the end you put your team in trouble because the other team is not able to make it. Furthermore, Benji was informed on the monday night that the other team wanted to re-schedule, and not one game, but all of them, so not so easy to re-schedule. Finally, the "troublesome" post came up and then you find yourself in a position where the team who asks you for a favor just publicly calling you "a sad piece of shit". Not sure a lot of you would have accepted a re-schedule in those conditions.

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nirvAnA:

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

I told inFi that we can work on re-schedule for their games and it's what we did for the first 5 weeks. Some of their games are still to be played. The thing is that they didn't even give roster and they ask on the monday night to re-schedule the 5 games for next week. The rules still stand. It's not fair for other teams to automatically allow re-schedules. I agree to help but i am not baby-sitting.

Don't put this on admins please i am sweating since day 1 to make inFi play all their games so far.

As I said, I'm not putting this on admin. It's that the fact that we didn't know inFi has agreed to play this given that they can work on reschedule for games, is not Benji's fault at all.

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Frogmite:

Ok then

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

IMO

Although I agree with almost everything people say, regarding this walk over thing, I don't really agree.

Asking for walkover is asking for a favour. And asking for a favour, getting rejected shouldn't mean to get angry about it. Ok saying this is very sad of me as I'm part of inFi too. BUT, I don't know, asking for a favour, getting rejected, and getting angry about it seems wrong.

And the rule says (if I'm not mistaken) if both teams not agree with reschedule, it ends in walkover. I agree completely with people about Benji being negative about the game more than positive, making offensive jokes etc etc, but rejecting a walkover doesn't seem like something that should be criticised.

I heard that inFi agreed to play in SEACL in regards to games being able to be flexible with the time, but xGKing clearly didn't know this and this is the fault of the admin (not stabbing at them in anyway. Just if this is the issue, Benji isn't the problem).

I don't know. I don't see how rejecting a favour is criticised.

Im not criticising him as a person or whatever, Im just criticising this decision.

I was looking forward to watch the match and im sure there are alot of other ppl like me. Thats why i feel that rejecting it just for the sake of it is retarded. If u have a reason to do so, by all means, take the win. If u can make it another day, why not? This is just 1 game and it can be played the next weekor anytime this week imo it wont hurt the schedule.

Also like i said, this sets the precedent, teams are more likely to take the ''walkover'' now. Many good games might be forfeited due to this and thats not a good thing for fans like me!

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

Im not criticising him as a person or whatever, Im just criticising this decision.

I was looking forward to watch the match and im sure there are alot of other ppl like me. Thats why i feel that rejecting it just for the sake of it is retarded. If u have a reason to do so, by all means, take the win. If u can make it another day, why not? This is just 1 game and it can be played the next weekor anytime this week imo it wont hurt the schedule.

Also like i said, this sets the precedent, teams are more likely to take the ''walkover'' now. Many good games might be forfeited due to this and thats not a good thing for fans like me!

Many games being rescheduled is not so great imo too. The best way is every game played at the time it is supposed to be. But to be fair, this isn't possible most of the times.

But the fact is, omo, the reason of benji rejecting because he doesn't want our games being unplayed for the next 3 weeks or w/e is pretty reasonable as I said before

[aLtShortizz]

Originally Posted by xGKingJazBas

Many games being rescheduled is not so great imo too. The best way is every game played at the time it is supposed to be. But to be fair, this isn't possible most of the times.

But the fact is, omo, the reason of benji rejecting because he doesn't want our games being unplayed for the next 3 weeks or w/e is pretty reasonable as I said before

But why 3 weeks? If thats the amount of time inFi wanted to postpone den i suppose its reasonable to take the walk over.

I dont agree with too many games being postponed either. IMO it rewards a team with a small lineup, Bigger clans with a deep lineup shld be able to take advantage of the situation when it comes to getting ppl online on the day.

However, since the beginning, the rescheduling has been going on. And i suppose its in the ''spirit'' of our awesome community to accomdate as much as possible. Like i said, before the whole match being forfeited is really too much. I just dont see why something cant be worked out like so many other games that had to be rescheduled.

PS: I understand your point and do note that in no way am i critcising benji. Its just this decision that makes me feels meh.

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nirvAnA:

[nirvAnA]

Shortizz the timeline was like this -

Benji didn't want to accept reschedule (not obligatory, but every single team so far has given the other team this courtesy and he also rejected them quite rudely)
TargA made that post after in anger after that (I understand his frustration but that was still rude by TargA)

Froggy decided to award the walkover to xGking however I am still trying to find an amicable resolution for this if benji allows it (since he has the right by the rules) as I was really looking forward to this match and so were most people in SEA I believe and walkovers are terrible in any competition. SEA Nation Wars and SEAL #1 had no walkovers and I'm very proud of that.

FWIW benji after this thread was made Benji did not like the tone of the responses so keep it civil guys or i'm just going to close / delete it as its going to stray from the point of this thread which is to help benji. Thanks.

[Peleus]

If xGKing could say hand on heart that due to conflicts they can't reschedule then I wouldn't have any problem with the walk over. Yes you're asking for a favour, but the 'spirit of the competition' is to have fun and try and have good games with each other.

There is zero technically wrong according to the rules with that Benji did. Depending on the reason why he chose not to reschedule there may be nothing morally wrong either. But clearly if every other team has been able to constantly reschedule for other teams, work together for a fun league and to have a great competition I'm sure you can appreciate that a single team trying to follow the rules to the letter purely to get any advantage they can is against the 'spirit' of it.

Saying that, once more if there is a legit reason why it can't be rescheduled then fair enough, enjoy your win.

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wolf:

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by PeleusSPR

If xGKing could say hand on heart that due to conflicts they can't reschedule then I wouldn't have any problem with the walk over. Yes you're asking for a favour, but the 'spirit of the competition' is to have fun and try and have good games with each other.

There is zero technically wrong according to the rules with that Benji did. Depending on the reason why he chose not to reschedule there may be nothing morally wrong either. But clearly if every other team has been able to constantly reschedule for other teams, work together for a fun league and to have a great competition I'm sure you can appreciate that a single team trying to follow the rules to the letter purely to get any advantage they can is against the 'spirit' of it.

Saying that, once more if there is a legit reason why it can't be rescheduled then fair enough, enjoy your win.

I believe main reason he rejected was that he didn't want our games to be unplayed for the next 3 weeks which has happened already with other games and I think this reason is pretty reasonable.