[NvPinder]

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Purely out of curiosity, how many people would be interested in coaching (receiving it) in the SEA area? With the success of gosucoaching over in america (From personally knowing and playing with them, they have a full plate of students all of which who continually come back and get a lot out of it), I'm thinking the SEA community might almost be big enough to warrant setting up some coaches for people really looking to improve there game a bit.

Basically just a discussion, would anyone out there be willing to pay to receive coaching? What would you be willing to pay (for reference, the gosucoaches charge about $25 USD an hour, i'd personally be willing to coach for $20 AUD or as low as $15AUD/hr for multiple hour deals)? What credentials would you want before you considered coaching as an option? Basically this topic is here for anyone and everyone to discuss whether or not coaching for sc2 would be at all successful inside of the SEA area.

[StandBY]

well if im right, there are a few players offering coaching already? according to this thread.

http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=42

but its obviously not that well established like gosucoaching is. but yeh $15 sounds about right.

[Torniquet]

I dont really think that ever was like published and official. Its just something we never really got around to really. Like for instance Ice is in the army =/ So yeah if we get a couple of people like Glade, Pinder im sure we can publish something proper. So yeah discussion, go.

[Apth]

Being somewhat of a noob, what would coaching entail? I'd be keen for some kind of coaching demo, like a VOD of an example training session.

[NvPinder]

Originally Posted by Apth

Being somewhat of a noob, what would coaching entail? I'd be keen for some kind of coaching demo, like a VOD of an example training session.

basically 1 on 1, on vent/skype/teamspeak with the coach, and really whatever the student wants.

eg: for some student (gold and below for example) simply playing 1 game against the coach for 20 minutes and then watching the replay together discussing important 'leaks' in the students game that they need to fix, as well as introducing them to new ideas in the game they probably arent aware of yet.

I would almost guarantee i can take a gold or below level player two divisions higher (eg: bronze -> gold, gold -> diamond) within 4 one hour sessions, or 2 two hour
sessions.

for plat and above players, if they're looking for match-up specific advice (eg: maybe you're struggling with PvZ), basically analyzing some replays of the student discussing some of the core leaks in their play and what they can do to get edges against their opponent that they might be missing.

[Apth]

I like the sound of all that. Hopefully one weekend soon I'll be able to spam some ladder matches and get some replays together.

[MrNayNay]

i am so in need of coaching... MrNayNay249

[Torniquet]

I thought you were Idra? Then Blitzzerg now another new name =/?

[GorE]

I think i would be keen...

i am pretty noobish though so you will have to dumb down alot of your advice haha

cheers

Nate..

[Lucian]

I'd definitely be in.

[Zeion]

i am keen too~

[nGenWild]

u get paid for teaching games~?! ill teach T for $5/hr lol..

[Galaxy]

I don't think i'd pay for coaching, as I feel you can teach yourself very easily. Download top replays, observe first player perspective, take notes of their hotkeys and the way they use them (for instance every zerg user has their own style of using hotkeys to inject hatch).

I personally just study 1 build order, then go and practice for 10~20 games, then i study a new build order and repeat.

[Apth]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I personally just study 1 build order, then go and practice for 10~20 games, then i study a new build order and repeat.

What I would want from coaching is feedback from a top-tier player while I do this. I can practice all I like, but chances are I'll probably miss some holes in my gameplay, or possibilities for improvement.

As important as figuring things out for yourself is, there's no point in reinventing the wheel. High-level coaching could be a very valuable resource for the community if it gets some momentum going.

[nirvAnA]

And thats why Apth is MVP! haha great answer

yea there will always be a few players who can reach a high level by themselves like galaxy but the vast majority of us may hit a celling somewhere and not know why or will just take longer to learn so coaching is really beneficial and speeds up the learning process

[Edrahil]

Enough people think its worthwhile that they are willing to pay Idra USD 150/hr :P

[Zeion]

idra? lol if he teach me he will just rage quit teaching... LOL! too much a scrub for him to handle wakakaka

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by nGenWild

u get paid for teaching games~?! ill teach T for $5/hr lol..

I accept, 10 hours a day at 5$ an hour. Say goodbye to your free time, if I'm not online you have to sit there and do nothing while waiting for me.

[progrezzion]

kk zerggirl ME 2 10 hours a day at 5 bucks my time is yours

[Pov]

awesome idea palski

[deL]

Originally Posted by nGenWild

u get paid for teaching games~?! ill teach T for $5/hr lol..

It's a prerequisite that you're a good player before you can start to coach, mate.

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't think i'd pay for coaching, as I feel you can teach yourself very easily. Download top replays, observe first player perspective, take notes of their hotkeys and the way they use them (for instance every zerg user has their own style of using hotkeys to inject hatch).

I personally just study 1 build order, then go and practice for 10~20 games, then i study a new build order and repeat.

For some people they don't know how to, or can't, practice effectively. I know to me going through my own replays and repetitively grinding out build orders is like a chore and I refuse to do it. However, chatting on vent with a mate or top player and reviewing replays together I learn a lot faster and can cut our hours and hours of time grinding out solo practice. It's about paying for the convenience and efficiency - you specify the areas you want covered and get a targetted program to help you out.

I am not biased because of this, I have actually approached iNcontroL about coaching and was interested in buying some hours for a TA inhouse tournament prize because I truly think it's worthwhile.

[iceiceice]

A short introduction:
Many people spend their whole life seeking perfection. Some never find it. Ice just does it. If you are looking for someone to teach you how to play Starcraft 2 like a true pro, ice is the one you are looking for. After all, why should you bother learning how to play, when instead, you can learn how to own? Once a DotA player, ice dominated the Singaporean, Asian, and Global scene when he felt like it, and won many tournaments, the more notable ones being ESWC Paris and CAPL, amongst many others. After getting bored, he decided that he had tormented fellow progamers in the DotA scene quite enough, and switched over to Starcraft 2, where he soon gained recognition for placing 2nd in the Blizzard SEA Invitational, securing him a place in Blizzcon. However, fate was not kind to this aspiring young gamer. To cut the story short, his enlistment meant an extremely limited amount of time for himself, much less for gaming competitively. However, ice is back, and just 1 week after starting practice, has managed to get 2nd place in a Starcraft 2 tournament sponsored by Nvidia. Now, here is your chance to have this legend as your teacher.


For more details, please send ice a pm on the sc2sea/teamliquid forums. Rates at this moment are still subject to discussion, and will be confirmed later.
Note: ice only teaches zerg.
-ice's manager

[Stroggos]

ice can you teach me how to 6pool everygame?

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by JPMoney

I would almost guarantee i can take a gold or below level player two divisions higher (eg: bronze -> gold, gold -> diamond) within 4 one hour sessions, or 2 two hour
sessions.

hey cool. i like this! any chance of rock bottom 300 pt diamonds like me hitting master with some coaching?

[deL]

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

hey cool. i like this! any chance of rock bottom 300 pt diamonds like me hitting master with some coaching?

That certainly sounds possible But pinder is on vacation in the US atm.

Read more here: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=472

[ZergGirl]

someone should teach me ZvZ.

[Laggyfish]

I would be keen to do this (get coached)

[Comma]

I've been offering free coaching for a while and had success in several players making it to Diamond. Working with a friend to set up a site similar to GosuCoaching, etc. So it'll still be free until we get that going

[koosy]

I would LOVE to receive some coaching. I'm a terrible player who doesn't really know how to go about improving and would like some input from someone who knows their stuff. I do think, however, that $20 an hour is a little steep (that's twice the price of a GSL season ticket).

[TAVoices]

Any Terrans players that are interested in getting coaching email me @ spudgugglebang@hotmail.com and ill send you my document. Cheers

[DrunkPanda]

voices is it free?

[NvPinder]

Can't stress enough how important it would be to get coaching from someone who is actually good(eg: multiple high tournament placings) as opposed to misc high diamond/master league people.

[deL]

JPMoney is right, anonymous masterleague players can teach you how to win a game through abusive strats that will be dated next month or w/e. Someone well know will better be able to teach you how to be good at the game.

[x5_Potter]

Coaching would be a great idea for me personally as there are probably a few things I'm missing that an observer would be able to point out and help me rectify them.

I think minimum 2 or 3 coaching sessions would be helpful to someone as in the first coaching session they can be given some ideas to work on and in the next ones they could show replays of them doing at, and be given more tips.

The discounts would be the way to go as you could buy say 3 hours for 40 dollars and space each hour over a week or so, so you could try out the tips in each session.

[sunsetkid]

hm i really like the idea, will prob ask someone good to teach me next mth when i'm free. but in my opinion, the fastest way to improve would be having the coach commenting real-time on a person's game eg on the ladder. getting the person to scout etc at certain times, expand at certain times, making what unit as what counter---all in game.

some things like common decision making are easy to train. like making banelings when you see reactor barracks, or when and where to expand.

but other aspects can be quite difficult to train, like dexterity ie.clickspeed/apm. for a long game(over 20 mins), my apm is around 100 which is probably much lower than the average pro out there. i can probably train for years and it'll never improve much except giving me RSI(repetitive stress injury).

its just like jumping. if you can't jump, you can't jump. i've seen it while doing NS in Singapore. a person who can only do 1.8m baseline in his standing broad jump will never exceed 2.2m even with significant weight loss and training.

so i guess training coaches will probably have to focus on building placement, decision making, unit counters etc

[SkyBreaker]

After having a bit of time to spend laddering a lot more throughout the days I've definitely considered the idea of paid coaching - although the only thing holding me back is my recent switch to Zerg; I want to find the race that suits me best before going ahead with it. So once I've decided on a race I will definitely be paying for some SCII coaching.

So far I've heard nothing but great things re: the TA coaching and will probably go through them when looking for coaching

[nirvAnA]

sky if u choose protoss u can get free coaching from me anytime

[SkyBreaker]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

sky if u choose protoss u can get free coaching from me anytime

Aww really? That's awesome, thanks heaps Nirv! I'll definitely have a chat to you about it next time I'm on MSN ♥♥ !

[Eljimo]

lol dun think i will ever pay to improve on a game, I just play and enjoy

[user151]

It would be nice if my coach obs my game, talks me on skype what I should be doing. I think I'll improve after 1000 games.... with that said, I don't think I can afford paid coaching atm but it's really a nice idea. Who says we can't earn while we play.

[OxygeN]

Hi fellow members of the SEA community, as promised to many, it's febuary, my work is finished, so I'm officially going to start giving lessons.

A brief introduction about myself, I'm 19 and I coach Terran exclusively, I have coached aLtKelly to esl glory, and I'm Singaporean.

Previous achievements,

blizzard invitational 3rd(6k tournament)
wd psi storm 2nd (5k tournament)
ssl nov 3rd (300)
ssl dec 1st (850)
ssl Jan 3rd (300)
cnz 2nd (300)

have a couple of dots and wc3 as well, but this is sc2. Interested parties, add me on msn, lwy_21@hotmail.com, skype at oxygenh2o, pm
me here or in game altoxygen.576.

Rates are negotiable.

Cheers!

[JesseTheKING]

I might do coaching as well.

I can get anyone's new account to Masters with ANY race AND with a 80% winrate.

But its better if i teach you instead of play for you.

Prices are negotiable, PM me, serious offers only.

#1 on Sc2ranks aLt)kingjesse 3510points masters 70% w/r RANDOM

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by iceiceice

A short introduction:
Many people spend their whole life seeking perfection. Some never find it. Ice just does it. If you are looking for someone to teach you how to play Starcraft 2 like a true pro, ice is the one you are looking for. After all, why should you bother learning how to play, when instead, you can learn how to own? Once a DotA player, ice dominated the Singaporean, Asian, and Global scene when he felt like it, and won many tournaments, the more notable ones being ESWC Paris and CAPL, amongst many others. After getting bored, he decided that he had tormented fellow progamers in the DotA scene quite enough, and switched over to Starcraft 2, where he soon gained recognition for placing 2nd in the Blizzard SEA Invitational, securing him a place in Blizzcon. However, fate was not kind to this aspiring young gamer. To cut the story short, his enlistment meant an extremely limited amount of time for himself, much less for gaming competitively. However, ice is back, and just 1 week after starting practice, has managed to get 2nd place in a Starcraft 2 tournament sponsored by Nvidia. Now, here is your chance to have this legend as your teacher.


For more details, please send ice a pm on the sc2sea/teamliquid forums. Rates at this moment are still subject to discussion, and will be confirmed later.
Note: ice only teaches zerg.
-ice's manager

sounds impressive. even got picture le

[deL]

Is ZanooKu going to report this to blizzard too?

[sunsetkid]

Originally Posted by deL

Is ZanooKu going to report this to blizzard too?

he's one interesting fella. if u ever meet him on ladder, try cheesing. its amusing how he wants to put you on the cheese list, compiled and posted on forums---i wish he would link it.

[sunsetkid]

in my free time, i'm interested in getting a small amount of coaching to hit master league. basically i just need a coach to tell me in real-time what to do during a game against opponents(preferably ladder rather than custom since some people will suddenly leave customs midway, wasting time), for a few hours. when to spread creep, when to suicide lords, upgrade ling speed, roach warrens etc.
i think using voice comms+screen stream would be good so the coach can give tips in-game(best way to learn and remember)

i play zerg. without cheese, i'm just mid-diamond level(no masters, no plat opponents).
when i cheese(offensive hatch, stealth hatch, 6 pool, spining) i get to high diamond and play master leaguers but don't promote because i lose to lower level fellas too---thats the nature of cheese!
its much harder to cheese these days since the new maps are out so i guess i'll be playing standard now.
my dexterity is decent but not fantastic---around 90-100 apm average nonspam in a long game.

willing to pay. not sure whats reasonable---sgd 50 over 3-5hrs perhaps
would any high level zerg with experience be keen to give pointers?

[pjw]

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

in my free time, i'm interested in getting a small amount of coaching to hit master league. basically i just need a coach to tell me in real-time what to do during a game against opponents(preferably ladder rather than custom since some people will suddenly leave customs midway, wasting time), for a few hours. when to spread creep, when to suicide lords, upgrade ling speed, roach warrens etc.
i think using voice comms+screen stream would be good so the coach can give tips in-game(best way to learn and remember)

i play zerg. without cheese, i'm just mid-diamond level(no masters, no plat opponents).
when i cheese(offensive hatch, stealth hatch, 6 pool, spining) i get to high diamond and play master leaguers but don't promote because i lose to lower level fellas too---thats the nature of cheese!
its much harder to cheese these days since the new maps are out so i guess i'll be playing standard now.
my dexterity is decent but not fantastic---around 90-100 apm average nonspam in a long game.

willing to pay. not sure whats reasonable---sgd 50 over 3-5hrs perhaps
would any high level zerg with experience be keen to give pointers?

thats retarded. Improving is about making sure you understand all the little nitty gritty details of the game and knowing when, and how to abuse ur advantages, and obviously having good mechanics. Letting someone tell you how to play is the complete opposite of becoming good, no one way of playing is the best and everyone will have ways to do things uniquely. You may as well pay for an Idra replay if all you are going to do is let him tell you what to do.

Btw, for any P interested in coaching I'd strongly recommend TA's Pinder, amazingly good teaching qualities(which is something completely different to being good at sc) and a ridiculously cheap price compared to some in the US + he's just a cool guy whos very easy get along with.

[sunsetkid]

what i figure is that by having someone to remind in-game for sometime, i should be able to remember to do such stuff in future. like to transfer drones, upgrade roach speed, scout etc.
at least thats how i learn better, by practice. others may be able to do everything just with a coach going by their replays and improving but i'm not exactly a fast learner and tend to forget.

[Dogsi]

Originally Posted by sunsetkid

he's one interesting fella. if u ever meet him on ladder, try cheesing. its amusing how he wants to put you on the cheese list, compiled and posted on forums---i wish he would link it.

Only person I've had to ban from my tournaments (although after a 6 month ban, going to let him try again).

He was once banned from the B.net forums. The same day he came back, he was banned again.

[YJY]

Coaching for 20 bux an hour. Been playing on kor server so gotten pretty good again! PM me if u want

[iM tgun]

Hey guys, I'm starting to do coaching myself.

Qualifications:
Practice partner / B-Team FXO player
Former Tennis Coach
2nd year PE Teacher (Deferred from uni atm)

Payment is very flexible (flexible != free, before someone asks), as are times, just contact me if you want to discuss anything.
Contact me for more information at:

tgun.143 on Skype
bradleyseymour@gmail.com via e-mail or msn.

[cruxis]

Not to sound mean or anything, but how does Tennis work in with Starcraft?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by cruxis

Not to sound mean or anything, but how does Tennis work in with Starcraft?

Coaching skills.

I'm gunna vouch for tgun, smart man and is a good player and I think he's now the first Zerg coach on Sea.

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by cruxis

Not to sound mean or anything, but how does Tennis work in with Starcraft?

Coaching skillset and a player skillset are two completely different things, most pro athletes cant coach to save themselves if they needed to, same way the best coaches in the world are usually bad/average players at best

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by cruxis

Not to sound mean or anything, but how does Tennis work in with Starcraft?

A lot of the fundamental skills used in coaching are the same; analysis of forms, skills, ability to create regimes, achievable goals, etc. If you can't see the parralels, fair enough; I'm not too worried. I know, as do many others, that alot of coaching skills are transferrable between sports.

EDIT: Double ninja'd. Ouch.

[Satu]

Originally Posted by Benji

Coaching skills.

I'm gunna vouch for tgun, smart man and is a good player and I think he's now the first Zerg coach on Sea.

Moonglade coached some people, Im pretty sure.

[Torniquet]

I heard Zerggirl taught Benji? Confirm / Deny?

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Torniquet

I heard Zerggirl taught Benji? Confirm / Deny?

Deny, she'd never share her super secret strats with me

[deL]

Originally Posted by Torniquet

I heard Zerggirl taught Benji? Confirm / Deny?

You're confusing coaching with trading wins.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by tgun

Hey guys, I'm starting to do coaching myself.

Qualifications:
Practice partner / B-Team FXO player
Former Tennis Coach
2nd year PE Teacher (Deferred from uni atm)

Payment is very flexible (flexible != free, before someone asks), as are times, just contact me if you want to discuss anything.
Contact me for more information at:

tgun.143 on Skype
bradleyseymour@gmail.com via e-mail or msn.

Bumping this post around, for some reason Nirvana felt it would be a smart thing to bury my post in this thread. Hooray.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by tgun

Bumping this post around, for some reason Nirvana felt it would be a smart thing to bury my post in this thread. Hooray.

Bumping again, already have a few students: even if you're tenative, give me a yell. I'll grab a hold of you, do a quick introduction and see if coaching would be good (for you).

[ZergGirl]

Originally Posted by Torniquet

I heard Zerggirl taught Benji? Confirm / Deny?

I tried, but he couldn't sweep the leg :'(

[mGMUSE]

I've already signed up for it, from talking to him he seems to have great things in store for his students so I'm looking forward to it!

[TAhackdZ]

I'll be getting more lessons from TAdeth once I've finished the ones we're doing.

Probably just keep getting em 10 at a time till I hit Masters.

PS: @ anyone who's skeptical, IMO 100% worth it. There are some great coach's in SEA (deth, pinder, voices, etc) and I've certainly seen an improvement.

[Benji]

Yoon didn't try and beat me up after my comments about his TvZ.

On a serious note, he's a damn good Terran, if you want to get trained by a good player, YYJ is a good option.

[YJY]

Hi guys,

Just a quick msg about coaching I will be offering.

I believe I do know more about the game play than most players. ST_Ace said over dinner when asked who he thought was the best, he said I was because I used my head. Made me realise that even though I don't watch GSL and replays and don't play much on the good servers, that if I did that and start actually analysing the game, I could get pretty decent. My sponsors, myself and Startale are discussing sending me to korea for a few weeks to train at their LAN houses (maybe when my exams are over).

I will be playing sc2 for 1-2 years depending on when I can play basketball again (which then I would stop playing sc2), and from a few players showing interest, I have decided to coach. I will charge $20 on the first lesson, and then $35 per hour every lesson afterwards. I will tell all those that have been coached to give feedback in this thread so people will know what it is like, in this thread unless Nirvana moves it.

Please PM rather than on the site.

Regards,
YYJ

[Snx`Azz]

Originally Posted by tgun

A lot of the fundamental skills used in coaching are the same; analysis of forms, skills, ability to create regimes, achievable goals, etc. If you can't see the parralels, fair enough; I'm not too worried. I know, as do many others, that alot of coaching skills are transferrable between sports.

EDIT: Double ninja'd. Ouch.

I will give u a game of tennis at the next event .

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by GGAzz

I will give u a game of tennis at the next event .

As much as this'd be awesome, my knee is wrecked and I haven't played in a long time.

[Meatex]

mOOnGlaDe also does coaching for zergs if you can afford it

[Snx`Azz]

Offering casual coaching at $25 p/h SEA only, pm me here for queries.

All protoss coaches at http://www.gosucoaching.com/coaches/browse charge between $30-100

I think that nirvanna/kowi/light are all at least on par with people like incontrol who charges $100 an hour.

Azz.

[iM tgun]

Bump, I'm still taking on students, hit me up on skype @ tgun.143

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