[crAzerk]

I'm only posting this in the forums section and not the blogs because I may want to document/compile stuff, and see if anyone else is interested.

Read on only if you

1) Like challenges
2) Seek achievements
3) Likes FUN!
4) Have too much free time to do silly challenges
5) Like challenges

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Can you win a game with X?

Because I fulfil all of the above 5 points, I'm going to embark on a personal challenge and just checking if anyone would like to join me just for FUN. I know it's going to sound lame or cheesy or stupid or dumb to people, but this is for FUN DAMMIT so stop being a wet blanket rawr.
It's ok if noone joins me I will just do it myself then and document my own experience for your entertainment.

The challenge is : win a game with just a single type of unit the whole game.

Basic Rules:
- 1v1 only. For team games there are monobattles which is different from what I'm trying to accomplish
- Must be a Platinum or higher league opponent (reason being pulling off any of these against a new Bronze player isn't that much of an achievement) (If you're BSG and still want to try this by all means )
- Must be a proper game (i.e. having your friend just hold position his units doesn't count. He shouldn't know what you're trying to do. Your opponent should have half a brain and be trying to win)
- Save a replay!

Just going to list out the possibilities I can think of:
: Drones, Queens, Zerglings, Roaches, Hydralisks, Banelings, Mutalisks, Infestors, Ultralisks, Broodlords (Corruptors, Overlords/Overseers not possible)
: SCVs, Marines, Marauders, Ghosts, Reapers, Hellions, Tanks, Thors, Vikings (??), Banshees, Battlecruiser
(Medivacs not possible, not quite sure how Vikings will work but in theory it is possible. Not sure if SCVs can be done)
: Probes, Zealots, Sentries, Stalkers, Dark Templars, High Templars (??), Archons, Immortals, Colussus, Void Rays, Carriers
(Observers, Warp Prisms, Mothership left out. High Templar most likely has to be excluded. Not sure if Probes can be done)

Some additional clauses have to be added to make things possible.
- Queens/Workers are always allowed regardless of which unit is being used
- Progression units are allowed to be made(e.g. Zerglings for Banelings, Templars for Archons) but not to be used to attack
- For Tier 3 units (Battlecruiser, Carrier, Broodlords/Ultralisks), Tier 1 units (specifically: Marines, Zealots, Zerglings) are allowed for defensive purposes.
- For Factoryunits/Vikings, Marines are allowed for defensive purposes
- To clarify, 'defensive purposes' simply means you cannot use a mixture of Marines + X to win the game. However, early marine pressure / bunker harass is allowed.
- Defensive structures are allowed (Spines, Cannons), but cannot be instrumental in your win. For example, if you're going mass carriers to win, you cannot have cannon rushed out half his base beforehand to set him super far behind.
- (Will add more to the list when I discover impossibilities)


I will document my progress in blog entries, should start with worker rushes tomorrow We'll see.

I think the main challenge is figuring out how to make it work from a strategic standpoint. Players are obviously not stupid and will be scouting you and reacting to what they see. How do you get it to work? Fakes? Feints? Some are obviously easy (e.g. Marines, Lings) but some do get challenging (Ghosts?! Vikings?!? Infestors? Colussus?? (only) )

I'm thinking of more Basic Rules or Clauses I have to add, so please do let me know if you think of anything that should be included. Thanks!


Once again, I'm sorry if you find this stupid and a waste of your time to read, I did already warn you beforehand. Regardless, I'm going to have fun trying to accomplish these and will document it in a blog so... you can wait for it Or join too!

Remember, it's not about whether it's been done before, it's whether YOU can do it!

My Personal Checklist

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Completed challenges:
Drones only
Zerglings only
Roaches only (no Zerglings, not 7 RR)
Marines only (no Bunkers, no upgrades)
Marauders only (no Marines!)
Banshees only (no Marines!)

Quick Comments

nard:

Great idea bro!

[TABottles]

Simpsons did it.

I'd love to do it - i've done it with marines many of times but maybe I can cook up something more fresh for the sc2 hipsters.

Cool idea, though Day9 owns the copyright i'm sure.

[crAzerk]

Ah I knew it would have been done somewhere before. I know Day9 does alot of these funny challenges with his Funday Monday thing.

Nevertheless, it'll still be something fun to attempt and document.

I'll tweak the OP tmr to reflect the fact that it's been done, deadbeat now going to bed.

[DtorR]

I remember seeing slayersdragon troll lower leagues by going only ghosts. Not sure if it is possible though for any other unit other than the marine in higher leagues. Still would be fun to see someone try.

[nirvAnA]

I got an idea! The mofoship challenge. Make a mothership every PvZ and PvT and win 10 games in a row! You have to make a mothership every game, losing a game resets the counter back to 0. Having the game end before your mothership also resets the counter back to zero.

[ROOT`iaguz]

Originally Posted by nirvAnA

I got an idea! The mofoship challenge. Make a mothership every PvZ and PvT and win 10 games in a row! You have to make a mothership every game, losing a game resets the counter back to 0. Having the game end before your mothership also resets the counter back to zero.

I think Pinder already did this.

Quick Comments

Dox:

[TABottles]

Yeah I fairly certain that's where the monobattle custom maps derived from. I'm sure you can think up something equally as intriguing for the masses.

Here's some patented scenarios i'd like to let out:

Warp Prism transport only! Anywhere but you and your opponents base / natural is all hot lava! Use only the warp prism to cart your ground units around. Additionally - no proxy pylons may be warped in as that is cheating. Warp ins from prisms may be used only if in the No Lava Zone

No Collosus Allowed <-- don't be so quick to assume. You can have collosus if you so please. Your opponent however cannot. Be a total boss and prevent the opponent from getting out a collosus the WHOLE GAME. Must be legitimate i.e no one base nastiness, be creative. Alternatively if the opponent has no intention of going Collosus you must beg for one and if he complies mess his plans. Otherwise gg chalk that one up on the ol' wins streak

Tug of War on Ladder As goes for the tug of war custom map you must rally ALL attacking units to your opponents base as they're built - you are allowed to A Move them during the rally - no micro. kill them with a constant stream of units.


What do you think?

[Zealo]

can work with any T 1 unit i think (in diamond at least)

i've done it with roaches, stalkers, lings, rines, zealots.

people get kinda upset/bm at you though

i'll try to find reps of interestingish games

edit: forgot you can win with cannons lol

[iM tgun]

I pick zerglings.

[Satu]

I've got like 5-10 reps by now of me going only zerglings.

As in before this challenge was posted.

So, I should try something more difficult...

[inFeZa]

What about defensive structures?

[iMSystem]

I'm currently trying to remember where I have seen something like this before, but basically there was a thread somewhere, that had challenges of certain aspects that you had to complete in a Ladder game.

This reminded me of that, still looks fun.

Oh shit, it was actually in HoN.

Here is the thread

[darkphoenix22]

sounds like a normal day on the ladder when i play as toss, warp prisms & motherships ftw

[Benji]

Step 1: Play Terran
Step 2: Pick Marines
Step 3: Play a standard game
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Profit!

Quick Comments

TABjornbrandr:

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

Step 1: Play Terran
Step 2: Pick Marines
Step 3: Play a standard game
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Profit!

if you're gonna mass marines as a challenge, don't mine gas so no upgrades/stim/shields or even reactors.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

if you're gonna mass marines as a challenge, don't mine gas so no upgrades/stim/shields or even reactors.

So play a korean style then, got it.

[iM yang]

Originally Posted by xGKingBenji

So play a korean style then, got it.

[iMSystem]

Just thought of one:

Force your opponent to early GG via the use of Hallucination.

[Mayo]

Defensive structures only tbh!

Just have a limit on the amount of marines allowed in a bunker etc.

[|Erasmus|]

challenge: win a game by doing a bunker train across the map for instant reinforcements...

Quick Comments

Mayo:

[crAzerk]

Some of the obvious units like marines, zerglings, will be naturally easy to do (6pool, bunker rush). I'm looking forward to the harder ones like mass ghosts, mass mutalisks(not as easy as u think! How to do without any lings!) etc

I'll definitely be attempting these monounit challenges myself, but I notice some interesting ideas being thrown up as well. I wonder if people would be interested in a 'Challenge Thread' where a challenge is set (e.g. Win a game with nonstop rallies) and basically first person to do it wins, and he thinks of a new challenge.

@infeza added a defensive structure clause into OP let me know if it's ok

[ProAnnn]

did the carriers only challenge before. +3 carriers with a billion cannons defending 3rd + nat in shakuras while massing carriers off 3-4 stargates. I made proly 2 zealots to plug holes but yeah T1 units are allowed

[crAzerk]

aw sick! haha man i can't wait to start on these.

Anyway just two challenges that I've done so far, starting with the easy ones

Can you win with just Marines only?
- No upgrades
- No bunkers
- Diamond League opponent
(This game was pretty epic, gotta watch! It's a TvP, and... it was really really close (check out my clutch MULE repair on the CC when it floats near my gold)
Replay here

Can you win with just Zerglings only?
- Platinum opponent
(This game isn't the best, my opponent was lagging or something and his build was weird. I'll try to get one vs Diamond league player or at least with a actual drawn out game)
Replay here

[Benji]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

aw sick! haha man i can't wait to start on these.

Anyway just two challenges that I've done so far, starting with the easy ones

Can you win with just Marines only?
- No upgrades
- No bunkers
- Diamond League opponent
(This game was pretty epic, gotta watch! It's a TvP, and... it was really really close (check out my clutch MULE repair on the CC when it floats near my gold)
Replay here

Can you win with just Zerglings only?
- Platinum opponent
(This game isn't the best, my opponent was lagging or something and his build was weird. I'll try to get one vs Diamond league player or at least with a actual drawn out game)
Replay here

Could just proxy 11/11 and save a little time :P

Quick Comments

Zealo:

indeed

[crAzerk]

Could just proxy 11/11 and save a little time :P

I assume that would need a Bunker? And probably too scoutable ? -shrugs-. It was a fun game though, and it was done prior to thinking of this challenge, was actually trying out all-ins for fun that night LOL.

[Cyanide]

Challenge: Ninja Spy Infiltrators.

Successfully get 20 changelings into your enemies forces without being detected in a ladder game. All 20 changelings must be alive at the same time. You don't have to drop them at the same time though. Just have to successfully assimilate them into your opponents army without being detected/killed etc.

[crAzerk]

@cyanide to clarify - ALL 20 changelings have to be touching their army? Doesn't seem very do-able. If its just 'in his base' or as a BM kinda thing (like MULE drop) would be more possible

[Cyanide]

haha! yes! must be in the army! okay, make it 10 or 5 then, seems more doable that way. 20 does seem a bit difficult for diamond level.

[|Erasmus|]

clearly you make 20 changelings hold position on his ramp while you drop in his main...

[iMSystem]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

clearly you make 20 changelings hold position on his ramp while you drop in his main...

This has got to be the sickest idea I have ever heard of

[crAzerk]

@Eramus naw, that wouldn't count, changelings have to be in his army!

@cyanide ok! Challenge accepted! I shall do the 5 changeling one

[Bugalugs McScruffin]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

@Eramus naw, that wouldn't count, changelings have to be in his army!

@cyanide ok! Challenge accepted! I shall do the 5 changeling one

crAzerk, try the 20 Changeling but you still win if you get 5.

[|Erasmus|]

so move them with his army, then hold position on his ramp to block half his units :P

[nard]

u missed out banshees and that one is pretty easy to do imo

[Cyanide]

@crazerk, if it's too easy, up the ante until it becomes barely doable! challenge the boundaries mate!

[darkphoenix22]

LOL, go for it mate xD

[crAzerk]

@nard - thanks! Added banshees into the list. Indeed banshees are easy.. But doable without marines? I wonder.. Hmm.

I feel like attempting both the changeling ramp block as well as 5-10 changelings in army one. Let's see if I am successful

[inFeZa]

Play Terran
Make Banshees
????
GRANDMASTER!

[darkphoenix22]

yeah, sounds about right....maybe a handful of marines too

[Zealo]

http://drop.sc/59385

5 hatches of lings vs standard 3 base terran on tal darim

[crAzerk]

Tried about 5 games of Drone rushes tonight, all failed :/ The closest I got was ag a Terran when he killed off my last 3 drones (which were close to red) with a single marine.
The funny thing was he took so long to kill my hatchery with his Marine that it was a draw LOL.

[EveJeonSa]

Does Marine scv count as marine only?

[crAzerk]

@derpy no, marines only. Marine scv would be too easy it's nothing special

[TABjornbrandr]

Although the topic is all about can we do it ourselves, looking through my tgun replay pack makes me giggle because he pretty much does this every game with lings :P

[Meatex]

Lol mass zerglings is my standard ZvP style
though usually get banelings later on

Might have to try other stuff too - sounds fun. Though mass marines is just too easy

[Meatex]

I would like to add that i think you should be able to use spines as something like mass queens relies on spines

[crAzerk]

@meatex yes I did include in the clauses that defensive structures are allowed

Going to try drone rush again tonight if I have time, and maybe mass banelings or something simple like anything Terran

[Kringe]

tried mass sentries with hallucinations got raped

[crAzerk]

I think the only feasible way to do many of these is to plummet my MMR so that I'm at Plat level... Even then I'm not sure if some can be done. Brb dropping ladder games hop on ladder if you want to get free points

EDIT: YES! Finally succeeded in a Drone rush after like 10 tries. Replay

[sRFullstop]

What are the rules if I'm using an air-to-ground unit like Banshee? Am I allowed to make AA if he gets vikings, corrupters, phoenix etc?

[crAzerk]

@fullstop nope only that unit! Banshee only is definitely possible. Did it with no marines ^^