[Benji]

+ [Season 1 Results!] +

Mustapusta has been killed by the Citizens/Mafia. He was a Citizen

1. DeathsFang - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Citizen)
2. Dandelion - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)
3. mustapusta- *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex - Tortellini Family
8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
10. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family)
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)

Meatex has won the first game of sc2sea Mafia. He was the third member of the Tortellini Family. Congrats

Nirvana/An Admin will add your achievement soon!

Rules:

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Welcome to sc2sea Mafia, for those unfamiliar with Mafia, the rules of the game is as follows:

Game Roles:

Citizen: Most people playing the game are citizens. Their job is to accuse and vote on people they think are the Mafia players during the Daytime.

Mafia: There will be 5 Players total divided into 2 Mafia families. Their job is to kill off the other family and all the citizens. During the daytime they take part in the discussion on who to kill along with all the other players, however during the nighttime they get their own kill, and they can kill off any member they wish. The Mafia know the members of their own family, however do not know who is in the other Family.

Informant: The informant is a Citizen that gets a special ability. Every nighttime the Informant can ask the Gamemaster whether a specific player is in the Mafia. The Gamemaster will respond with the correct answer. The informant only gets one question each nighttime. The Informant knows the Vigilante and can communicate with him ONLY about who he has asked the gamemaster about.

Vigilante: The vigilante is a Citizen that has the ability to Kill off 2 players every game. The Informant and the Vigilante know each other and can communicate ONLY about who is affiliated with what. The Vigilante can only use one of his kills a turn (ie: Cannot use both kills in the same turn) and can call them in at anytime (Daytime or Nighttime). If the Vigilante kills off a Citizen, he is revealed as the Vigilante to the Public, however if he kills a Mafia member, his role remains hidden.

*NEW* Lovers: Lovers are 2 players which have unique win conditions. Lovers can only win if they are the only 2 members left in the game. Once one lover is killed, the other is killed instantly as well. Lovers can also have other roles, such as Informat, Vigilante or even Mafia, or they could simply be Citizens (This is explained in the PM sent when said role is told to the player). Lovers may also communicate as much as they want with each other. Lovers also know the other players role, and can disclose to each other all information they know, for example if one member is part of a mafia family, he/she may tell the other player who the other members of the family are. Lovers are immune to the questioning of an Informat (The informat will only find out their other role, ie: Citizen, Mafia etc).

*NEW* Joker: The Jokers role is to be killed by the Citizen vote. If the Joker is killed by the Citizen vote, he wins the game (the game continues and further winners are decided like the normal outcome). If the Joker is killed by the Mafia or Vigilante, he loses. If he is not killed, he loses.

If the Joker is killed by a citizen vote, a random player that voted for him is also killed (random number generater used). Unlike other tiebreakers, Mafia and Citizens have equal chance of being killed in this manner. The Vigilante is not revealed when killing the Joker. The joker does not need to die for the Mafia or the Citizens to win.

How the game is played:

1. Once 18 players have signed up, the game will begin. I will private message (PM) 5 Random players to be Mafia, 1 Random player to be the Informant and 1 to be the Vigilante. I will then post in this thread that the game has begun. If you do not receive a Private Message, you are a Citizen

2. The game starts in the Daytime, with the Citizens voting on who they think the Mafia is, and the player with the most votes will get killed and removed from the game. Remember the Mafia can (and do) vote as citizens so keep an eye on who votes for who to try and figure out who is part of the Mafia.

3. After the Daytime (Which lasts for 48 hours or until everyone has voted), it will be the Nighttime. Each Mafia family will PM me their Kill for the round, and the Informant will PM me asking about a specific player. This phase lasts for 24 hours, if I do not receive a message from any Mafia family or the Informant, they will miss their opportunity for the turn.

4. After the Nighttime, the Mafia kills will be revealed and it will become Daytime again, with the Citizen Vote. The cycle repeats until one team has won.


How to win?

Citizens, Informants and Vigilantes win by killing all 5 Mafia players. Dead citizens do not win.
Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the other family. Dead Mafia do not win.


Rules:

1. The game is restricted to 18 players on a first come, first serve basis. Once signups begin, post in the thread 'I wish to join the next game'

2. If you are killed, you are no longer a part of the game and cannot post in this thread. Posting in this thread will result in your post being deleted. If you continue to post you may be banned.

3. If you miss 2 Citizen votes in a row, you will be killed and will miss out on the next 2 games. Checking the forums every day or 2 isn't that big of a deal. If you will be unable to participate in the game midway through, message me and I will kill you off, however you will not receive a 2 game ban in this situation.

4. The only people who are allowed to talk about the game in PMs are the members of the Mafia families. The Informant is allowed to send the Vigilante PMs, but only containing the name of Mafia members and what family they are in, no other talk about the game should be happening in these PMs. The only place anyone else (dead or alive) should be talking about the game is in the game thread. Not in emails, IMs, PMs, at other message boards, but here in the game thread.


Prizes:

The prize for winning a game of Mafia is a forum Achievement (and fun!)

Game 2 of Sc2sea Mafia is now starting. I am extending the player limit to 24 players. I am also introducing a new player role, Lovers. Please refer to the first post for rules

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Please sign up BELOW

[Next_rim]

Count me in.

[ToRDeathsFang]

I would like to sign up

Wow these spots are gonna be full in less than 20 minutes i reckon. Good idea adding in more spots

[BaKaiNu]

Sign me up! -Forced by LennX-

[cruxis]

IN!

But can we start a new thread once it starts? Otherwise it'll just make looking over older posts harder.

[AvPoker]

Signing up, with a vengeance.

[Meatex]

sweet an achievement ^^
sign me up ^^ even though i'm likely to get targeted early on :P

second the new thread idea

[SONATA]

sign me up too! fun game!

[Aean(:]

Me. 10char

[yongming]

i wish i could play but im too busy since the last round.

[Next_rim]

Signing up, with a vengeance.

I'm totally voting pokerface day 1. Just for gigs.

[SONATA]

me! sonata! sign me up!

[LennX]

Sign me up. And vote pokerface for 2st round again for shit and giggles =x

[crAzerk]

Signing uppp

[cruxis]

Let's vote him first every game until he gets Mafia. Then we'll let him play.

[Paroxysm]

Sign me up again

[AvPoker]

signing in

[nard]

Reporting in for duty!

[Benji]

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2. Deathsfang
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Meatex
7. SONATA
8. Aean(:
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard
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[mustapusta]

Signing up for round 2

Also i told you guys it was meatex. i got no clue why no one wanted to listen ;(
Ah well, the only reason i changed was due to the tie-breaker. GG to meatex, WP.

[HDPhoenix]

I'll play =) Very nicely run

[inFeZa]

sign me back up if theres a spot last game was good

[Zanderax]

I'm in. I need to take my revenge on the Torillinie Family

[Benji]

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Meatex
7. SONATA
8. Aean(:
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
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Sorry for the late update, busy weekend.

Still a bunch more spots!

[GGnoRe]

i'll play! i feel like random lynching. =)

[Benji]

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Meatex
7. SONATA
8. Aean(:
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe
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Signups will close on Saturday if they haven't filled.

[EveRorschach]

Sign me up!

[Meatex]

withdrawing my signup

[Aean(:]

aw there probably wont be enough sign ups by deadline :{

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Meatex

withdrawing my signup

Just stay! I think everyone will lynch you anyway since you were the winner of the previous round :P

[Benji]

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Rorschach
7. SONATA
8. Aean(:
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe
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Dropping the game size back to 18 players due to lack of signups. Just need 1 more to start the game, otherwise we will start tomorrow with 17.

[Next_rim]

sooo
WTF???

[cruxis]

Yeah, can we start now?

[Benji]

Sorry, I have been busy this weekend. I am about to assign roles (using RNG) and the game should start soon.

[Benji]

The game is now starting, but before we get to daytime, there have been 2 new roles added to the game:

*NEW* Lovers: Lovers are 2 players which have unique win conditions. Lovers can only win if they are the only 2 members left in the game. Once one lover is killed, the other is killed instantly as well. Lovers can also have other roles, such as Informat, Vigilante or even Mafia, or they could simply be Citizens (This is explained in the PM sent when said role is told to the player). Lovers may also communicate as much as they want with each other. Lovers also know the other players role, and can disclose to each other all information they know, for example if one member is part of a mafia family, he/she may tell the other player who the other members of the family are. Lovers are immune to the questioning of an Informat (The informat will only find out their other role, ie: Citizen, Mafia etc).

*NEW* Joker: The Jokers role is to be killed by the Citizen vote. If the Joker is killed by the Citizen vote, he wins the game (the game continues and further winners are decided like the normal outcome). If the Joker is killed by the Mafia or Vigilante, he loses. If he is not killed, he loses.

If the Joker is killed by a citizen vote, a random player that voted for him is also killed (random number generator used). Unlike other tiebreakers, Mafia and Citizens have equal chance of being killed in this manner. The Vigilante is not revealed when killing the Joker. The joker does not need to die for the Mafia or the Citizens to win.

Please make sure you understand how each role works, as it should add some flavor to the game If you aren't sure on how exactly they work, please ask questions and I will answer them as best I can.

On top of this, there are only 4 Mafia players this game (Due to 1 less player and the 3 new roles). They are broken up into 2 families of 2 members.

Can everyone that received a role please REPLY to my private message so I know you have received it.

It is now Daytime. Please submit your daytime votes. Voting will end in 48 hours or once everyone has voted. Good Luck!

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Rorschach
7. SONATA
8. Aean(:
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe

[LennX]

Time to random lynch! I choose poke poke poke poooker pokerfac....

aean(: !

[BaKaiNu]

Aean! Because Aean is too short of a name.

[Aean(:]

-___- gg first round. i vote pokerface
edit: chnaged to mustapusta

[Paroxysm]

WOOP WOOP, First round Bandwagon!

I vote for AEAN

[pikk0n]

Awww... aean. you're not countering lennx's troll. I'd go for lennx rather than poker unless you know something about poker that the rest don't. Also, first posters usually die early. Most prob not the mafia but might be the mafia's henchman or something like that.

Nah... stuff what I said. I'd prefer to see DeathsFang lynchmobbed. Sorry, deaths. You're too quiet. Not usual for you.

I'm such a troll....

[cruxis]

I'm going to keep voting pokerface day 1 until he is revealed as Mafia.

Vote pokerface

[crAzerk]

I vote mustapusta.

Because my Random number generator said so:

[ToRDeathsFang]

KK pikk0n you can be an ass, ima jump on a random bandwagon and go for po-po-po-po-pokerface because he wasn't mafia first game so he's more likely to be this game!

[LennX]

Originally Posted by pikk0n

Awww... aean. you're not countering lennx's troll. I'd go for lennx rather than poker unless you know something about poker that the rest don't. Also, first posters usually die early. Most prob not the mafia but might be the mafia's henchman or something like that.

Nah... stuff what I said. I'd prefer to see DeathsFang lynchmobbed. Sorry, deaths. You're too quiet. Not usual for you.

I'm such a troll....

Stop trolling me, I dont want a "Vote LennX!" sign on my back. However, I do agree with the trolling of Deaths.

[Zanderax]

Aean all the way.

[pikk0n]

Lennx, you need to be trolled once in a while. You've been trolling so you'll need to get trolled! I don't think you were trolled much in the 3 word game. Revenge!

[Next_rim]

Like I said, voting pokerface. Just for gigs

[inFeZa]

yay games started GL HF GG. vote nard

[Paroxysm]

Vote Switch to DeathsFang

[EveRorschach]

Vote pokerface due to him owning me a while back in ladder

[HDPhoenix]

We don't even know our roles yet! I vote for Mustapusta since 13 is my favorite number

[cruxis]

If you got no PM, obv you're citizen. But that's probably just a ruse to not get us to vote for you.

[GGnoRe]

voting for mustapasta cos he lynched me on NA

[AvPoker]

It's funny, there's always gonna be people voting me on the first day because of the dreaded curse of the first game.
Anyhow I vote Aean so that he feels my pain.

[nard]

It'll be grossly unfair to let pokerface get eliminated in the first round.


Aean

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface
2. Deathsfang - Voted for pokerface
3. BakaInu - Voted for Aean(:
4. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
5. pokerface - Voted for Aean(:
6. Rorschach - Voted for pokerface
7. SONATA
8. Aean(: - Voted for pokerface
9. LennX - Voted for Aean(:
10. craZerk - Voted for mustapusta
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Deathsfang
12. nard - Voted for Aean(:
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for mustapusta
15. PoisoN - Voted for nard
16. Zanderax - Voted for Aean(:
17. GGnoRe - Voted for mustapusta

5 Votes for pokerface
5 Votes for Aean(:
3 Votes for mustapusta

[LennX]

Poor pokerface haha The curse of being the first remains!

[SONATA]

i vote mustapusta.

[Next_rim]

I guess it's up to mustapusta to decide who dies

[ToRDeathsFang]

I have a bad feeling Pokerface is mafia, i just hope musta makes the right decision.

[cruxis]

What gives you the impression he's Mafia? Day 1 usually results in no useful information.

[crAzerk]

hehe SONATA being smart and not making a move either way. mustapasta time to decideee

[LennX]

More like sonata is a mafia and he is pretty happy that both person being voted on are non-mafias?

[crAzerk]

heh could be, you never know. We have to see though.

[mustapusta]

I vote Aean. Sorry for late vote, just woke up after working at the IT fair.

[ToRDeathsFang]

i change my vote to mustapusta

[Aean(:]

then i change my vote to mustapasta. TROLOLOl +1 UP SAVE MAH LIFEZ

edit; -__-

[LennX]

God damn it so many ppl changing votes...

[ToRDeathsFang]

Aean you ****** i go to change my vote and you save your ass you cheeky bastard. I changed my vote because there was no way Pokerface was going to get lynched so i changed for funsies ^_^

And i really don't give a shit about what happens to Aean, actually, Informant, check Aean tonight, do it. It will prove it!

Any arguments?

[LennX]

Actually Deaths you changing your vote forced a 3way tie which means you have a high chance to be a mafia! Until aean changed his to save his own butt.


I rather the informant check on Deaths!

[mustapusta]

I don't even know what's happening. But based on my last round of mafia you could say i got a good sense of who's who after 2~3 nights. I'll stick to my vote because i don't believe pokerface deserves to get kicked out of the game so early, AGAIN.
Edit: Just realised at the time of my post, i got 6 votes, aean 5, and poker 3.
Also, how come from having 3 random votes, i suddenly shot up to 6 just because i voted aean? (Mafia has 2 family, 3 and 2, TAKE YOUR POISON PEOPLE)

[cruxis]

Yeah, the rapid rate in votes today has been rather quick. We've still got heaps of time, try not to rush it. But I already think it's over.

[ToRDeathsFang]

FYI this round theres 2 families with 2 members each, not 3 and 2 because theres only 17 people and there is a Jester.

[mustapusta]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

FYI this round theres 2 families with 2 members each, not 3 and 2 because theres only 17 people and there is a Jester.

oh ok, thanks for the update. didnt realise that since i just only woke up 90 minutes ago.

[Next_rim]

I'll laugh my ass off, if we kill mustapusta, and he turns out to be lover with pokerface.

[Benji]

Aean(: has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen and a Lover.
Deathsfang has Committed Suicide after seeing his Lover killed. He was a member of the Tortellini Family.

1. Next_rim - Voted for pokerface
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - Voted for Aean(:
4. cruxis - Voted for pokerface
5. pokerface - Voted for Aean(:
6. Rorschach - Voted for pokerface
7. SONATA - Voted for mustapusta
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Aean(:
10. craZerk - Voted for mustapusta
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Deathsfang
12. nard - Voted for Aean(:
13. mustapusta - Voted for Aean(:
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for mustapusta
15. PoisoN - Voted for nard
16. Zanderax - Voted for Aean(:
17. GGnoRe - Voted for mustapusta

6 Votes for Aean(:
6 Votes for mustapusta
3 Votes for pokerface
1 Vote for nard
1 Vote for Deathsfang

It is now Nighttime, Mafia Families and the Informat have 24 hours to send their PM's. Nighttime ends in 24 hours, or a small amount of time after I have received the 3 PM's.

[ToRDeathsFang]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Now everyone is going to make my life miserable -slits wrists-

[mustapusta]

Aean And Deathsfang Sitting on a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G

[pikk0n]

Trollolololololol!!!!!!!

Deaths and Aean, sitting on a tree. K I S S I N G!

By the way, how is it that Aean lost in the tie? Do citizens have a higher say in voting? Just confused about this.

[Benji]

Tiebreaker rules are as follows:

If it is between a Mafia and a Citizen, the Citizen is Killed
If it is between a Citizen and a Citizen, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker
If it is between a Mafia and a Mafia, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker.

I do not reveal which method is used.

[pikk0n]

Thanks Benji. Love the tiebreaker rule.

Loving this game so far! Would add to your reputation but apparently I need to spread the rep around before i can add more rep to you. :S I do not get that....

[GGnoRe]

but musta u lynched me on NA. =( a fellow town! so i shall lynch u rawr.

[nard]

free kill on mafia so early... lol
deathsfang... didnt know u played for the other team... *ahem*

[Next_rim]

I LOLED SO MUCH, the lover thing is pure awesomeness

[mustapusta]

Originally Posted by GGnoRe

but musta u lynched me on NA. =( a fellow town! so i shall lynch u rawr.

Sorry about the town lynch lol.i'm just an average mafia player

[LennX]

So mustapusta what is your defence for winning the tiebreaker? haha
I think all of us are going to lynch you next unless the informant steps in really fast and save your butt :P

[mustapusta]

Coinflip. Take a coin and flip it now. i call heads.

[LennX]

okay. tails= citizen

time to randomly lynch mustapusta when nighttime is over and im still alive xD

[cruxis]

You know guys, if you weren't so fast to lynch Aean, we could have gotten the name of the other mafia member. But now that's thrown out the window and we have very little post information to tie Deathsfang to anyone.

[pikk0n]

Random lynching is more fun for us bystanders. Also, if your scenario were to occur cruxis, this game would be over really quickly. No fun....

[HDPhoenix]

Cruxis, you make it sound like we somehow knew that they were mafia related. The odds of one of the lovers being a mafia is 4/17, which is really low. I think its just really lucky we randomly picked off a mafia this early, blind

[cruxis]

But we didn't even give them a chance to claim the lovers role. Plus, day lasts 48 hours. Why vote someone out in the first 6 hours?

[Benji]

Actually it was 100% that a Lover was a Mafia, as I thought it would be a more interesting dynamic. Its a shame one got killed with the random lynch however

I'm looking at some of the other common rules used in the game, to see which roles would work best for future games (Like Joker and Lovers are this game).

Still waiting for the PM(s) from the 3 roles before next daytime (just to keep you guys updated).

[cruxis]

Doctor and Role blocker. Doctor saves someone, and if that person is attacked, he lives.Role blocker stops any action that would have been done.

[Next_rim]

Actually it was 100% that a Lover was a Mafia, as I thought it would be a more interesting dynamic.

Not so sure it is a better dynamics. If citizens lynch any lover, they 100% lynch a citizen, so for citizens it's always a loss. Lover citizen has very slim chances of winning, because lovers have to kill all citizens, 2 other mafia, then lynch the 2nd mafia member, all while being stupidly vulnerable to random lynch, informant and vigilante.

Let's try a rapist and doctor next game. Rapist attacks some1 at night, and that person can't talk during daytime for 1 or 2 rounds, depending on rules. Makes defending or accusing so much more difficult.

Doctor, as mentioned above, calls a save each night. Can save both a mafia, or a citizen. Very interesting role.

[Benji]

I am not going to have a 'rapist' in the game, if i were to have a Silencing character, it would be a Dentist or an Escort. I am actually leaning away from having such roles in the game as they slow the game down by blocking hits, and with the game already lasting several weeks, I don't think extending it helps. I won my first game of Mafia in 2003, so I understand how this game works.

And as for Lovers, they are on their own team, Citizens need to Lynch them to win the game, you don't actually lose a Citizen when they die, as they aren't working with you, they want everyone else to die (Citizens AND Mafia). If the citizens win, they obviously lose.

On a side note, please don't derail the thread with 'which roles do we want added'. Any suggested roles will be ignored.

[mustapusta]

jeebus those mafia and informats are sure slow in handing in the report cards.

[Benji]

Nighttime is over, and 2 players have been found DEAD!

SONATA has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen
nard has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He was a Citizen

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Rorschach
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit their vote for the day. Daytime will end in 48 hours or once all players have voted.

[Zanderax]

Kill BakaInu

[EveRorschach]

Alright, so...
Deaths was Tort family, leaving one left (yes?) Deaths voted for Musta (indicating Musta isn't the second Tort member), along with:
Crazerk
SONATA
HDPheonix
GGnore

Musta lives through a tied vote (we don't know how)
Overnight, SONATA (who voted for musta) dies. Along with nard.
Therefore, I think that musta is part of the Ross mafia.
And so I vote to lynch Musta!

PS. Now, nard was killed (who voted for Aean). So I'm going to assume that the one member left of Tort was not anywhere near elimination and so voted for a person who voted for a citizen to cover any clues. I also expect the second tort person to be Crazerk HDPheonix or GGnore.
Thoughts?

[crAzerk]

First, I think you are reading too much into Round 1's vote since it's usually random. If anything is suspicious, it is the people who latched on to the initial votes rather than those who randomly threw out names to vote at the start.

Next, if you missed how I voted, it was literally random:

Originally Posted by crAzerk

I vote mustapusta.

Because my Random number generator said so:

[AvPoker]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

First, I think you are reading too much into Round 1's vote since it's usually random. If anything is suspicious, it is the people who latched on to the initial votes rather than those who randomly threw out names to vote at the start.

Next, if you missed how I voted, it was literally random:

Who knows, you could have kept on pressing that button until musta's number came up.

[EveRorschach]

Exactly, pokerface.

[Next_rim]

Aean tied with musta, aean died. Either both are citizens, and Benji's godlike hand seized the fate of Aean, or musta is mafia.

When pokerface tied with Aean, Deathsfang's switch off pokerface was an attempt to save lover. After musta propelled up vote count, it was obvious choice for Death to try and bump musta more. So he switched musta. It means that musta is not Tortellini, because if Death knew musta was tortellini, a tied vote would've killed his lover citizen, and Death would lose. Musta could very well be Rossellini, though, because he survived a tie.

It took a lot of time for mafia and informant to submit votes, and Musta said he is busy at IT conference. So musta could be informant or mafia.

The second family could technically be voting anything. Musta voted Aean to save his ass, which is a normal move. If musta is mafia, second Rossellini had to vote for Aean. If you discount Death's switch, it would be pokerface, Bakainu or Lenxx.

Bakainu and Lenxx voted 3 minutes apart, while musta showed up very late to vote. If musta was mafia with any of these two, there is no explanation for them to be on a team with musta. Pokerface, however, voted at 6:37 am (I'm at GMT+6). That leaves for three possible scenarios:

Bakainu and Lenxx are Rossellini mafia
Musta and pokerface are Rossellini mafia
Musta is informant

I find Musta's survival of a tie (50/50) more suspicious than Bakainu's and Lenxx' post timings, so....

I vote musta.

[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by Zanderax

Kill BakaInu

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Also, posting 3 minutes away from Lenn is suspicious? Wow... I think you're reading too much into the game. It is just a coincidence that we posted around the same time. I check the forum often, you know. -cough-red name-cough-.

Regardless, vote musta! 50% chance to be mafia is good enough chance to kill a mafia.

[ToRDeathsFang]

STORY TIME

Everyone gathers around DeathsFang's dead body, with a bullet in his head from suicide. In his hand is a will. Benji picks it up and starts to read. It says:

"Oh how grieved i am, i can not stand to live any longer without my beloved Aean beside me, the law is oh so cruel for killing innocent women. (Aean's the chick, i'm manlier than him) I must say i am quite surprised that my fellow Tortellini member is not found out yet. I have fair reason to believe that several people are mafia, but alas, it doesn't matter, as i will now put a bullet in my head so i can be with my love forever in heaven.

I tried to save Aean by voting on mustapusta and Aean changing to tie it up at 6-6. This was the only chance he had at survival, and he had to lose, godamit if only if only there was an extra vote for musta.

Goodbye, and i hate you all, DeathsFang

P.S I think Cruxis and Baka are mafia if my hunch is right."

Benji folded the paper and said 'Oh what a fortunate turn of events for the citizens, a member of the mafia is uncovered!'
pikk0n came in from out of town to visit DeathsFang, and upon seeing that he was in love with Aean and killed himself from grief he went to mustapusta and they both began to giggle like schoolgirls and forever troll DeathsFang's soul.

THE END

If you read carefully the above you may find a piece of information or 2 that will be useful, or i might be trolling you

[Paroxysm]

Perhaps you are looking into the first round too much to make it look as though you are an active citizen next_rim? You may not want to look as though you are standing in the background, voting once and not saying anything else.

I vote Next_rim woop woop!

[Next_rim]

It is just a coincidence that we posted around the same time.

Same thing yongming said last game. If Benji read my post with vote switch, we'd have real mafia dead one round earlier.

Paroxysm,

Your vote switching from Aean to Deathsfang is more suspicious than me wanting pokerface out for lulz, and posting 3-4 times afterwards.

Dayum, If you talk too much in mafia, you get hated and killed. Something I keep forgetting

Add: ***, I want an HT avatar

[cruxis]

Yeah, seems the less active you are the longer you last.

An interesting note found on Deaths body. I think he was given 2 names, and 1 of them is Mafia. Considering I was Mafia last game, it's highly unlikely I'll get it again, which would put BakaInu as the Mafia.

Vote BakaInu

[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Same thing yongming said last game. If Benji read my post with vote switch, we'd have real mafia dead one round earlier.

Paroxysm,

Your vote switching from Aean to Deathsfang is more suspicious than me wanting pokerface out for lulz, and posting 3-4 times afterwards.

Dayum, If you talk too much in mafia, you get hated and killed. Something I keep forgetting

Add: ***, I want an HT avatar

Btw, Red name. I look at the forum often. It's a job. Yongming has no excuse for the coincidence posting. I do.

Also, Deaths and me had a disagreement and he pissed me off. No details in that. Regardless, he is just trying to get everybody to lynch me just to piss me off further. Believe me, the votes on me is wasted, you'll just be pleasing lover boy over there.

[ToRDeathsFang]

-.-

Baka my suspicion on you had nothing to do with our little disagreement. It's from the patterns. You can't see it but if i look at the mafia members it forms a pattern, maybe coincidence but w/e.

AND DON'T CALL ME LOVERBOY OR SO HELP ME GOD I WILL GO TO BRISBANE AND HUNT YOU DOWN.

[pikk0n]

Mustapusta and I are great friends. Deaths and Aean are living in blissful heaven now. Though the lovers may have died, they souls would forever be together. The beauty of BOTH lovers dying rather than just one. I'd have felt a little pity for Deaths had he been left alone in this horrible horrible mafia world to grief over the death of his beloved Aean but since they are both living happily in a hot steamy place, I can only ever be envious of them. xoxoxoxo

Anyway, back to the game! Interesting development in the second night. Also, about Paroxysm switching his vote to Deaths, knowing deaths, wouldn't it be likely that deaths tried to convince Parox to change the Aean vote to save his lover and during that attempt made Parox suspect that Deaths might be a mafia or something along the lines of that?


~L~O~V~E~R~B~O~Y~
XOXOXO

[Benji]

Originally Posted by DeathsFang

-.-

Baka my suspicion on you had nothing to do with our little disagreement. It's from the patterns. You can't see it but if i look at the mafia members it forms a pattern, maybe coincidence but w/e.

AND DON'T CALL ME LOVERBOY OR SO HELP ME GOD I WILL GO TO BRISBANE AND HUNT YOU DOWN.

You're Dead, don't make me delete your posts.

[LennX]

Okay I vote next_rim cos he voted for bakainu or maybe because...

YOU SPELL MY NAME WRONG!!!! /rageeee

:P

[Next_rim]

LennX,

I voted for musta fyi. And that's an epic reason for voting, I admit it. If everyone, whose name I spelled wrong IRL, would rage at me, I'd be dead long ago

Btw, look, Lennx thought I voted Bakainu, so he voted me. I smell mafia.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

LennX,

I voted for musta fyi. And that's an epic reason for voting, I admit it. If everyone, whose name I spelled wrong IRL, would rage at me, I'd be dead long ago

Btw, look, Lennx thought I voted Bakainu, so he voted me. I smell mafia.

I noticed you seem to be saying everyone is mafia but you so I'm troll you more. People should decide if I'ma a mafia or you are the mafia :P

[crAzerk]

The tiebreaker rule makes things interesting.

If it is between a Mafia and a Citizen, the Citizen is Killed
If it is between a Citizen and a Citizen, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker
If it is between a Mafia and a Mafia, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker.

I'm trying to think of some mathematical logic as to how we can work out a strategy to identify the Mafia from this but am drawing blanks. I'm thinking along the lines of the Monty Hall problem if you guys know what it is... hmm.

Anyway Benji, what's the tiebreaker for a 3 way tie? (e..g 9/6 people left)

[nard]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

Anyway Benji, what's the tiebreaker for a 3 way tie? (e..g 9/6 people left)

orh ah peh ah som

(black white match)

lol just for the singaporeans.
bye cruel world!

[Next_rim]

I noticed you seem to be saying everyone is mafia but you so I'm troll you more. People should decide if I'ma a mafia or you are the mafia :P

Would be odd for some1 to say he is mafia O_o. Citizens are citizens, mafia is trying to be citizen in daytime. The only thing is - citizens can't win by being silent, while mafia can. So we better get some discussion going, or mafia will win again.

At least we didn't get a random 1-shot on informant in day 1.

[Benji]

Anyway Benji, what's the tiebreaker for a 3 way tie? (e..g 9/6 people left)

Same rules as above Ie: Mafia can't be killed, and I use a random number generator for the remainder players.

[mustapusta]

Ok so apparantly me being a citizen is too much of a fairytale for some of you. Let me explain some stuff about me.
The first day vote was late because i was totally exhausted from working 4 days in a row trying to sell laptops. so when i woke up, was already 6pm. (i sell HP laptops and can prove with my KUNG FU PANDA SHIRT) Thats the only reason for my late vote.

Originally Posted by Rorschach

Alright, so...
Deaths was Tort family, leaving one left (yes?) Deaths voted for Musta (indicating Musta isn't the second Tort member), along with:
Crazerk
SONATA
HDPheonix
GGnore

Musta lives through a tied vote (we don't know how)
Overnight, SONATA (who voted for musta) dies. Along with nard.
Therefore, I think that musta is part of the Ross mafia.
And so I vote to lynch Musta!

PS. Now, nard was killed (who voted for Aean). So I'm going to assume that the one member left of Tort was not anywhere near elimination and so voted for a person who voted for a citizen to cover any clues. I also expect the second tort person to be Crazerk HDPheonix or GGnore.
Thoughts?

I'll put it this way straight.
If you were mafia, and you don't want people to be suspicious of you, will you kill someone who has voted for you? Given a choice that you can? And why are we ignoring this post as well? What's he's role?

Originally Posted by Zanderax

Kill BakaInu

So i'll only vote once i get more concrete proof and evidence. for now, i'll let the discussions continue

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - Voted for mustapusta
4. cruxis - Voted for Bakainu
5. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
6. Rorschach - Voted for mustapusta
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Next_rim
10. craZerk - Voted for mustapusta
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. GGnoRe

4 Votes for mustapusta
2 Votes for Bakainu
2 Votes for Next_rim
1 Vote for Rorschach

[EveRorschach]

My previous post had vote for Mustapusta, Beni thanks mate

[Benji]

Sorry, its hard to tell with all the essays you guys are writing. BOLD your vote if you can to avoid me missing it (especially if you write a long post).

[crAzerk]

vote for mustapasta

[Benji]

Same thing yongming said last game. If Benji read my post with vote switch, we'd have real mafia dead one round earlier.

I remember not being able to say this last game due to revealing information, but with your vote change it meant yongming was TIED with the Citizen that was killed, and would not have been killed anyway.

[Benji]

Also want to remind players but there is a JOKER in this game, I don't see any mention of him in the discussion so I just want to ensure everyone is aware of the role. This is completely unrelated to current voting trends.

[AvPoker]

Mmm.. to be honest I haven't been up to date as to what's been happening. Ill just lynch Rorschach because I don't want to accidentally lynch an innocent person (*cough* everyone first lynch of first mafia game *cough*)

[Next_rim]

I remember not being able to say this last game due to revealing information, but with your vote change it meant yongming was TIED with the Citizen that was killed, and would not have been killed anyway.

I know it's completely unrealated to current game, but I remember some1 switching from yongming's opponent to some1 completely random (not yongming), which made yongming lead by 1 vote. Don't want to dig the previous thread, since it doesn't matter anyway.

So yeah people, BOLD your vote, especially if you switch. I know it's hard for Benji to dig through 2 pages of bs. It took me 40 mins yesterday to analyze 4 pages of this thread to make a vote.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

I know it's completely unrealated to current game, but I remember some1 switching from yongming's opponent to some1 completely random (not yongming), which made yongming lead by 1 vote. Don't want to dig the previous thread, since it doesn't matter anyway.

So yeah people, BOLD your vote, especially if you switch. I know it's hard for Benji to dig through 2 pages of bs. It took me 40 mins yesterday to analyze 4 pages of this thread to make a vote.

I saw the swap after the fact, but his opponant was 1 Vote ahead, the change in vote would have made it a tied vote. Last game we didn't have a single tied vote situation.

Regardless, doesnt matter now, lets move on.

[cruxis]

I'll talk about the Joker then.

He can only win if he's voted off by the citizens. This means that he'll be wanting to get lynch, and thus, will be wanting to raise suspicion. He loses if we don't vote him off, so the best outcome we can hope for is the Mafia killing him off, or him surviving long enough to lose anyway.

So far I got no real leads as to who trying to get voted.

[LennX]

I think the best chance for the joker to win is on the 1st day to randomly get lynched. As the days goes on, the chances are lesser for the joker.

[EveRorschach]

Neither cruxis, it's a hard one to try and spot. Also, how do I bold font? I feel like such a noob.
Pokerface how could you :'( I still think its musta, if it's a tie vote and he lives again it will be funny

[LennX]

(b)this will be bolded(/b)
Change it to square brackets to get this
Or just quote my post to find out how.

Now if musta gets a tied vote and the other guy who dies is a mafia, it will be even better

[HDPhoenix]

Well I think people are putting too much weight on 1st day votes. It seems the next target is poised for lynching so I'll bow out and choose someone random. Since Pokerface is such a good name and hasn't been voted yet, that's my vote

[crAzerk]

Actually, I was thinking along the same lines as HDPhoenix, that people were just weighing in too much on day1's votes. (As I've already mentioned previously)

For the same reasons, I would like to switch my vote, and since HDPhoenix seems like a nice guy who won't take it to heart,

I switch my vote to HDPhoenix.

This will also make it easier (by me lessening the votes on mustapasta) for the ideal situation that Lennx pointed out -

Now if musta gets a tied vote and the other guy who dies is a mafia, it will be even better

It is a long shot, but we got lucky hitting Mafia on the first round so...

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - Voted for mustapusta
4. cruxis - Voted for Bakainu
5. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
6. Rorschach - Voted for mustapusta
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Next_rim
10. craZerk - Voted for HDPhoenix
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for Pokerface
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. GGnoRe

3 Votes for mustapusta
2 Votes for Bakainu
2 Votes for Next_rim
1 Vote for Rorschach
1 Vote for Pokerface
1 Vote for HDPhoenix

[mustapusta]

Since no new information was given and the first guy said to get baka, i'll save my ass again and vote BakaInu

[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by mustapusta

Since no new information was given and the first guy said to get baka, i'll save my ass again and vote BakaInu

It is highly likely that Musta is mafia now, since saving his ass means, getting tied vote and killing a citizen instead of himself, a.k.a. Mafia.

[mustapusta]

Saving my ass by getting into a tie instead of being lynched without a chance.
Chance > no chance
Thus, saving my ass.

[LennX]

Both BakaInu and next_rim voted for mustapusta but mustapusta votes for Bakainu. hmmmmm this is interesting.

I change my vote from Next_rim to mustapusta.

[mustapusta]

Obviously the mafia members would vote together/change votes to a single town target. makes sense.
i'll just insert all the typical things a town would say before you guys make a mistake.
"I'm vital to the town's sucess"
"with me dead, town will probably have a lower chance to win"
"read carefully as to why they try pin me as mafia, because i survived a 50% tie, and make a molehill out of it."
"If aean survived instead of me, the mafia would also try pin it on aean as mafia, being SUSPICIOUS of hrim surviving."

[Paroxysm]

mustapasta makes a fair point in saying that if Aean survived instead of him, he would be seen as mafia. The fact of the matter is, I personally think (along with HDPhoenix and crAzer) that people are basing far too many assumptions off of day 1's events. Alternatively, Bakainu said this:

Originally Posted by BakaInu

It is highly likely that Musta is mafia now, since saving his ass means, getting tied vote and killing a citizen instead of himself, a.k.a. Mafia.

How do we know that you are not mafia, and are just making musta look like the bad guy to cover your own tracks? Musta has put forward several good arguments while yours/next_rim's are rather mediocre in comparison. All of your arguments seem to be accusing him of being the mafia based on the first round. You have made me suspicious of you Mr Baka. vote changed to Bakainu

[nirvAnA]

Things sure are heating up in this mafia game haha chill!

Quick Comments

EveRorschach:

srs business going on

[BaKaiNu]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

mustapasta makes a fair point in saying that if Aean survived instead of him, he would be seen as mafia. The fact of the matter is, I personally think (along with HDPhoenix and crAzer) that people are basing far too many assumptions off of day 1's events. Alternatively, Bakainu said this:




How do we know that you are not mafia, and are just making musta look like the bad guy to cover your own tracks? Musta has put forward several good arguments while yours/next_rim's are rather mediocre in comparison. All of your arguments seem to be accusing him of being the mafia based on the first round. You have made me suspicious of you Mr Baka. vote changed to Bakainu

Except that, I myself know what role am I. Therefore, more votes killing me off will do the non-mafias no good. Who knows? But I sure love to be in the limelight.

[Paroxysm]

That's it, we can only settle this one way. 1v1!

Do you accept this challenge?

On a more serious note, I believe the killing of a non mafia character still benefits the mafia?

[BaKaiNu]

Challenge Accepted!

After my exam period. Regardless, it will certainly benefit the mafias. If you successfully lynched a mafia, 1 less person dies at night. Oh well, who knows. I'm getting lynched eitherways. We'll see how this progress, shall we? =)

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - Voted for mustapusta
4. cruxis - Voted for Bakainu
5. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
6. Rorschach - Voted for mustapusta
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for mustapusta
10. craZerk - Voted for HDPhoenix
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Bakainu
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - Voted for Bakainu
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for Pokerface
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. GGnoRe

4 Votes for mustapusta
4 Votes for Bakainu
1 Vote for Rorschach
1 Vote for Pokerface
1 Vote for HDPhoenix

Please check to make sure I got everything right, Musical votes is hard to follow sometimes.

Voting finishes at 6:30pm AEST Thurs.

[Next_rim]

I'm yet to see any decent argument against musta being mafia. Although, there is evidence that BakaInu could be mafia too, the chances are lower out of simple math. No logical argument at this point can deliver greater chances than 50/50 from a tie situation.

All of your arguments seem to be accusing him of being the mafia based on the first round.

Not really. It's based on the rule, which has nothing to do with round number. In a tie, there is a 50% chance that the remaining player is mafia. Better than random lynch based on random mumbo. Not to mention there are couple other factors pointing his way, like being late to vote day 1, and then making us wait forever for the night turn to end.

[crAzerk]

This post is not supporting anyone here, but I just disagree with the 'math' you did.

In a tie, there is a 50% chance that the remaining player is mafia.

If you look at this from the surface, 'he's either mafia or he's not' , so 50% seems to make sense.
However, if you're going to base on this statement, any random lynch will be a 50% chance of hitting mafia, since he is 'either mafia or not'. Clearly this isn't the case.

Let's just quote tiebreaker rules in case anyone forgot:

If it is between a Mafia and a Citizen, the Citizen is Killed
If it is between a Citizen and a Citizen, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker
If it is between a Mafia and a Mafia, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker.

I'll give a hypothetical scenario which makes the math easier - there are 4 players total, A B C and D. Let's say D is Mafia while the other 3 are citizens.
So let's say the votes caused A and D to be in a tie.

What's the odds that A is citizen? It is 3/4. Odds that D is Mafia? 1/4.

How about if it was B and C that ended up in a tie?
What's the odds that B is a citizen? It is STILL 3/4. Odds that C is a Mafia? STILL 1/4.

With this simple example you can see that the odds of a person being Mafia is entirely independent of whether he ends up in a tiebreaker scenario.

Thus I hope everyone sees that regardless of what happens in the tie breaker, nothing can be gleaned from it UNLESS the person who died in the tiebreaker was a MAFIA, which then is clear that the other tied person is Mafia too.

Once again, I am not supporting anyone or accusing anyone here, just pointing out faulty math. I know the Mafia or whoever are just waiting to pounce on posts like this to say 'aha! crazerk you support xxx you must be xxx' which is lame.

[mustapusta]

I'll like people to note that the time taken to reply doesn't mean anything at all. we got 2 full days to vote, no reason to hurry.
It's like the games i play on SC2 Mafia. Is there a difference if player A gives his defense 5 seconds later or earlier? even if his defense is the same? Use logic for your votes, not external factors which doesn't mean anything at all.

[Next_rim]

crAzerk,

That's cool and makes sense if you look at odds BEFORE the lynch. But musta ALREADY was in a tie and survived. Only two ways this could have happened. 50% chance it was mafia vs citizen, and he survived cuz he was mafia, and 50% chance that he simply got lucky with Benji's coinflip. Which DOES make it a 50% chance that musta is mafia.

[crAzerk]

That's cool and makes sense if you look at odds BEFORE the lynch. But musta ALREADY was in a tie and survived.

By saying this, you have shown that you entirely missed the point I was trying to make.

The odds of a person being mafia before and after being lynched or before and after surviving a tiebreaker remains the same. You can't base it on the fact that he survived to determine the odds of him being mafia, it doesn't make sense.

Your logic seems to imply that just because a person is 'selected' to be in part of the tiebreaker somehow modifies the odds of him being a mafia when the odds of him being mafia was already predetermined before the game began.

I don't know if it's because I'm not explaining it clearly enough or you're just not getting it. Maybe someone else who understands this can help me out.

[EveRorschach]

Crazerk, yes it's possible that musta is also a citizen, however there is no other information on ANY of the other players yet. This makes lynching musta (primarily based on him survivng last time) the best decision based on information that we have at the moment. Conversely, you could continue to argue it was just luck that he survives multiple ties, up until the last citizen dies and he's revealed as mafia. Yes, its pre-determined, but we don't have the information on him, yet

[crAzerk]

I understand where you all are coming from when you say this:

This makes lynching musta (primarily based on him survivng last time) the best decision based on information that we have at the moment.

But I have to caution you having 'faulty information' is as good as no information! It doesn't make sense to base my voting on something that is wrong to begin with, even if it's more than nothing. (Which is why I'm just throwing my vote this round)

I think what is more suspicious is people who are eager to put the spotlight on other people. Could they have a reason for this? (i.e. mafia) Or are they just eager players of the game? Who knows

[Next_rim]

I don't know if it's because I'm not explaining it clearly enough or you're just not getting it. Maybe someone else who understands this can help me out.

In the general population odds remain the same. However, surviving a tie is a very strong indicator of a possible mafia. Much stronger than any other factor, like post timings and vote patterns.

Besisdes, if musta is citizen (which I doubt), lynching him makes it just as random as lynching any1 else, since...odds are the same, you know.

We are just trying to make an informed decision.

[crAzerk]

Ok look at it this way - There is a higher chance of getting a Citizen vs Citizen tie than a Citizen vs Mafia tie. Thus surviving a tie (or being in a tie) is NOT a strong indicator of being a possible Mafia.
But I do agree that if he keeps surviving the tiebreakers, the odds of him being Mafia increases, NOT because he is surviving the tiebreakers, but by virtue of there being fewer and fewer citizens.

I don't see any point in arguing about this further because I have already pointed out what I wanted to say, that this 'information' is as good as misinformation, and the 'counterarguments' are not doing anything to contest the mathematical logic I've presented.

What I can say is that whoever adamantly pushes for this seems suspicious, as he seems to want to pin something on mustapasta (and himself go off unnoticed)

Once again, I'm NOT supporting mustapasta in making these arguments, just trying to ensure that everyone doesn't commit the mistake of relying on faulty logic. I'm indifferent to this vote, because I haven't seen any convincing information pointing to anyone atm, besides what I've mentioned in the paragraph above this.

[Benji]

Bakainu has been killed by the Citizens. He is a Citizen.

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - Voted for Bakainu
5. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
6. Rorschach - Voted for mustapusta
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for mustapusta
10. craZerk - Voted for HDPhoenix
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Bakainu
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - Voted for Bakainu
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for Pokerface
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
17. GGnoRe

4 Votes for mustapusta
4 Votes for Bakainu
1 Vote for Rorschach
1 Vote for Pokerface
1 Vote for HDPhoenix

PoisoN and GGnoRe have missed todays vote. If they miss the next day vote, they will be killed and banned for 2 games.

It is now Nighttime, Both mafia families and the Informat can now PM me their targets. Nighttime ends a short time after all 3 messages have been received or 24 hours have passed.

[mustapusta]

COME AT ME BRO
LYNCH ME

[cruxis]

I think Musta is the Joker.

[crAzerk]

Ok I'm going to lay out some things before Mafia decides to kill me at night for blocking their kill of mustapasta and for possibly getting close to the answer. But if I do get killed, don't interpret my death as me getting close to the answer and hence they had to kill me okay, that may be what the actual Mafia WANTS you to think and hence trying to trick you.
If you didn't get this paragraph nvm just skip it and read on.

People left:
1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. cruxis - Voted for Bakainu
3. pokerface - Voted for Rorschach
4. Rorschach - Voted for mustapusta
5. LennX - Voted for mustapusta
6. craZerk - Voted for HDPhoenix
7. Paroxysm - Voted for Bakainu
8. mustapusta - Voted for Bakainu
9. HDPhoenix - Voted for Pokerface
10. PoisoN
11. Zanderax - Voted for Bakainu
12. GGnoRe

I'm really hoping that these two inactives are just Citizens with no role, because if they have a role but they're not reading this post this post is entirely pointless.

I think Poison should be harmless because his original vote seemed random and not coordinated with another Mafia. (he voted for nard)
GGnoRe voted musta, but so did many others so I don't want to interpret anything from this.

We have a Vigilante and an Informant, and there's a chance one of them may die by the end of this night. So they need to use their abilities now!

Informant - Find out if mustapasta is mafia! This is the biggest debate atm and once this is resolved we can move on to cover more ground. It's wasting too much time guessing around about this, find out for sure, and if he is, get Vigilante to kill him the next morning!
So the next daytime lynch, DON'T target musta anymore and try to find someone else to lynch, because the Vigilante will be able to kill musta if he IS mafia during the day anyway. (Assuming both Vigi and Informant stay alive)

Vigilante - You need to use your kill whenever you can !(of course with appropriate info, like the abovementioned), remember you have 2 kills but you cannot use both in one day. With Vigilante, the citizens have power, but once you get sniped by Mafia the mafia controls the game.

12 players left, after tonight it'll be 10 players left.
That means there are only 7 non-Mafia left. (possibly minus 2 inactives, so 5 citizens)
The next vote is crucial.
(will post my suspicions later in an hour++ )

[mustapusta]

Just a question benji, do if a joker and a town were tied, does it mean the joker never gets lynched?
Because i want to win the game and yell "NEVER SAY DIE"

[GGnoRe]

i vote for mustapusta! rawr! once he is dead i will start voting more seriously. UNTIL THEN DIE MUSTA!

[Benji]

Originally Posted by GGnoRe

i vote for mustapusta! rawr! once he is dead i will start voting more seriously. UNTIL THEN DIE MUSTA!

3 hours late bro

[crAzerk]

Clues:

1) HDPhoenix - He's either a Mafia playing the game very intelligently or a Citizen.

We don't even know our roles yet! I vote for Mustapusta since 13 is my favorite number

Seemingly didn't receive any PMs, or was pretending that he didn't. Seemed like a genuine response to me, so my gut is he's Citizen. Of course I may be wrong, and if he wins as Mafia hats off to him.

2) cruxis - should be Citizen

What gives you the impression he's Mafia? Day 1 usually results in no useful information.

(This was referring to Deathsfang making a comment about pokerface being Mafia, which I'm going to assume is entirely nonsense because DF is Mafia (unless pokerface is the other Mafia family) )
If I was a Mafia, I wouldn't bother intervening with such comments if they targeted Citizens. Of course, unless pokerface was Mafia and cruxis was trying to defend him.

But pokerface didn't seem like he was in any danger, so it is a pointless defence.
By the abovementioned logic,
3) pokerface = Citizen (or the other Mafia family, which is less likely)

4) Rorschach - possibly Mafia
His whole post ending in

I also expect the second tort person to be Crazerk HDPheonix or GGnore.

Now I can't say much about GGNore, since he is inactive.
And by above logic, HDPhoenix shouldn't be mafia (unless a pro one)
And I know I am not a Mafia.

Therefore, Rorschach is trying to draw suspicion on 3 citizens. Mafia-behavior? Perhaps. Not conclusive of course.

5) Paroxysm - likely Citizen

How do we know that you are not mafia, and are just making musta look like the bad guy to cover your own tracks? Musta has put forward several good arguments while yours/next_rim's are rather mediocre in comparison. All of your arguments seem to be accusing him of being the mafia based on the first round. You have made me suspicious of you Mr Baka. vote changed to Bakainu

From this post as well as his other posts, he just seems like a guy who enjoys playing deductive games and is joining in the discussion heartily (like me). That was the vibe I got at least.
Of course it's possible he's Mafia and is doing this to pretend, but unlikely.


Everyone else I can't get a decent vibe off their posts despite going through the 8 pages of this thread, so I shan't make any suggestions on them.

OH right, how about mustapasta?
TBH, I really have no idea about this.
His reason for voting late seems legit as there was a PC fair that took place in Singapore this past weekend. He ended up in 2 tiebreakers which led everyone to suggest that he's definitely Mafia, since the odds of him surviving 2 tiebreakers is supposedly unlikely if he wasn't.
Maybe a final example will clarify this problem:

A popular brain teaser :
A coin is tossed 10 times in a row, and it lands heads every single time.
On the 11th toss, what's the odds that it'll land heads again?

+ [The answer is...] +

50%. Because the odds of a coin landing heads is 50% every time, regardless of previous events. Google for this problem for a longer explanation if you dont' get it

By similar logic, a person surviving multiple tiebreakers does NOT have increased chance of being mafia/citizen. Multiple tiebreakers are independent events, just like multiple coinflips. (In fact, they ARE multiple coinflips)

Once again, I'm not trying to defend mustapasta or anything here, I'm hoping the Informant+Vigilante will get to the bottom of this before the next night time, and that the Citizens don't waste another vote on a non-issue. (Since Vigilante can kill mustapasta if he is Mafia, assuming Vigilante is alive after tonight)

[LennX]

Just wondering, how many pairs of lovers are there in the game?

[ToRDeathsFang]

Theres just the 1 pair

[EveRorschach]

You forgot to include yourself in the list of possible mafia Crazerk, considering you fought harder to keep musta alive than musta actually did. :P YOu pretty much say "oh it could be these 5 people" yet when the most evidence is pointing at Musta (still, I might add) you say "TBH, I really have no idea about this."


What? lol, it wouldn't surprise me if its you and musta as the other family members! But I think I'm in for sleeping with the fishes tonight anyway.

[LennX]

I'm just hoping that somehow someway both the mafia family will lynch each other.

[crAzerk]

I already stated from the start that I'm not defending mustapasta in any way. I just cannot stand it when people use faulty logic to deduce things. And also, I did ask the Informant to check on musta and why would I do that if me and musta were mafia.

And if I really WAS mafia with musta, would I be so doggone OBVIOUS in defending him? Sheesh. There are other more subtle methods to do so (which I will hopefully use in future games when I AM Mafia) rather than put myself as a big bullseye.

Anyway, I'm expecting to get hit by Mafia by the end of tonight, so good luck figuring out the rest of it

I'm just hoping that somehow someway both the mafia family will lynch each other.

This would be awesome Would be hilarious if it really did happen.. Odds of this goes up as the player numbers go down too

[mustapusta]

I see rorschach defending himself only when accused. Were you perhaps trying to go for a low profile?

[GGnoRe]

im a little inactive cos i have an exam in a couple of hours. haha. probably why i missed 1 vote. but i think people who are overzealous in their defence of another are probably mafia. unless they are the informant and know that another person is actually safe. for some reason i get the feeling that crazerk is probably not a citizen hmm.

[crAzerk]

Originally Posted by GGnore

but i think people who are overzealous in their defence of another are probably mafia.

Originally Posted by crazerk

I already stated from the start that I'm not defending mustapasta in any way. I just cannot stand it when people use faulty logic to deduce things. And also, I did ask the Informant to check on musta and why would I do that if me and musta were mafia.

Originally Posted by crazerk

And if I really WAS mafia with musta, would I be so doggone OBVIOUS in defending him? Sheesh. There are other more subtle methods to do so (which I will hopefully use in future games when I AM Mafia) rather than put myself as a big bullseye.

In fact one of the methods I think will be quite good for Mafia is to actually go 'inactive' and hence stay out of everyone's radar, only to surface in the crucial rounds (e.g. next few), since in the first few rounds everyone is just shooting randomly anyway.


Anyway,

Originally Posted by mustapasta

I see rorschach defending himself only when accused. Were you perhaps trying to go for a low profile?

Rorschach first made an accusation after day 1, already pointing at some other people as I've mentioned, before himself was accused of anything.That's not to say that Rorschach is innocent, as I've already outlined in my post above.

+ [and the wise guys will say:] +

Oh look! crAzerk is defending rorschach! they must be mafia!
NO -_- (not me at least, can't say the same about him) I just can't stand faulty logic. And this is another instance of it.

And if anyone is going to try to draw on the fact 'how come crazerk is talking so much? zomg! suspicious! mafia!', you re clearly not aware of how much I am lurking the forums the entire day and how active I am in other areas as well. Just check the 'Users Online' thing on the front page.

[Benji]

Still waiting on a/some of these NIGHTTIME PM's, Night ends in a few hours, and missing one hit or Informat Question is hardly ever a good thing.

[LennX]

But missing a hit is good for the citizens/joker. :P

[Benji]

Originally Posted by LennX

But missing a hit is good for the citizens/joker. :P

And missing an Informat PM is bad for the Citizens, not saying who has and hasn't submitted PM's however.

[crAzerk]

Yea, if Informant doesn't read what I said above and ask accordingly the next vote is going to be another squandered one sigh.

[Next_rim]

Waiting patiently on mafia kills before I comment <.<

crAzek,

Your observation regarding the mathematical odds of some1 being mafia are correct. However, if you look at any normal distribution, my guts are telling me that a scenario with three different citizens being voted for up to a tie in two samples, where same citizen is voted up twice in a row, all within a shrinking population, is not exactly close to a mean scenario.

You actually got me interested, I'm now willing to do some statistical analysis of this case if I have time later in the day. Numbers are better than words anyway

[crAzerk]

But can you assume a normal distribution in this case? Or is such an assumption not valid? It's not as if we have a large sample size.
Anyway I know about statistical analysis and stuff because of some modules i've taken in school but I don't quite get what you're trying to say here:

" However, if you look at any normal distribution, my guts are telling me that a scenario with three different citizens being voted for up to a tie in two samples, where same citizen is voted up twice in a row, all within a shrinking population, is not exactly close to a mean scenario."

You may want to rephrase it, perhaps more cogently, thanks

[Benji]

Rorschach has been killed by the Tortellini Family and the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen


1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX
10. craZerk
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe

It is now Daytime. Daytime ends in 48 hours or once everyone has voted.

[inFeZa]

Soz, been away on business stuff. gotta read up on who dead

[crAzerk]

ROFL. This game is full of unlikely outcomes - first we randomly lynched a Mafia, and consequently killed the lovers, and now the Mafia hit the same person! Rofl i'm suppressing my laughter cos i'm at work but LOL.

I've a feeling the Mafia is trying to keep a low profile here, so that leaves us with a few options...

(Informant and Vigilante I hope you've done something useful. :S )

[EveRorschach]

I know who they are I have since day one clearly, it's...!
*BANG*
x_x.


gl guys I think its obvious now!

[LennX]

yea its me obviously :P

[Next_rim]

Talking about likely outcomes crAzek, huh? There is lie, there is damn lie, there is statistics. This is really getting interesting.

Vigilante, go shoot mustapusta already.

yea its me obviously :P

You are obviously trying to be joker :P

I've started my cool statistics page, it's work in progress. I'll submit my calculations later tonight, some of you will be surprised by how brilliant this game is from a mathematical standpoint.

[LennX]

being suspected as a joker means you will be safe from citizen lynching. That is rather good actually. Also I rather the vigilant will hurry up and kill already. Unless the informant is not feeding him information :P

[cruxis]

Oh wow, Mafia killing the same guy. You'd think both being there and killing him, they would then start killing each other.

Huge advantage for the Citizens now. Instead of having 2 dead citizens, we only have 1. This gives us an extra day basically to try and win the game.

So, we basically know Musta is the Joker. Crazerk was obviously getting close to figuring out who the Mafia was, as both families went after him. Time to go back over the thread and start deducing.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by LennX

being suspected as a joker means you will be safe from citizen lynching. That is rather good actually. Also I rather the vigilant will hurry up and kill already. Unless the informant is not feeding him information :P

or, the more likely scenario being that they have only discovered Citizens so far. I hope they didn't waste a check on Musta last night.

[crAzerk]

? ? Cruxis you reading the same thread?

Crazerk was obviously getting close to figuring out who the Mafia was, as both families went after him

I didn't get targeted by the Mafia.. yet. :S I think they're just leaving me alone because they're figuring I'll get lynched because I'm talking so much and people are pointing fingers at me.

So, we basically know Musta is the Joker.

Why?

I actually had suspicions on Rosch since he tried to randomly pin things on people based on the 1st vote, but now that he's out...

I've a feeling the Informant is one of the inactives >< Hence the Vigilante can't do anything much.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by cruxis

Oh wow, Mafia killing the same guy. You'd think both being there and killing him, they would then start killing each other.

Huge advantage for the Citizens now. Instead of having 2 dead citizens, we only have 1. This gives us an extra day basically to try and win the game.

So, we basically know Musta is the Joker. Crazerk was obviously getting close to figuring out who the Mafia was, as both families went after him. Time to go back over the thread and start deducing.

There is no way musta can be the joker. Since he is actively asking people not to vote for him in Day 1. He then switches his tune in day 2 to let us think he is the joker.

I think crucis, you and musta are mafia since you are defending him a lot.

[Next_rim]

Ok, here are some calculations. Inside you will find an excel file with numbers. Feel free to analyze and refer to it. It is not a distribution analysis as I was hoping to put together, since it takes way more time than I have atm. It's just basic chances of various outcomes based on info we've had so far.

Generally, as the game goes along, the odds of randomly lynching mafia are almost same. That's how cool this game is. Unless we start thinking and deducting, mafia will win.

Btw, by pure chances, there is a 14% chance that both ties were citizen-mafia, and thus musta is mafia. Odds to randomly lynch a mafia are 27% now. So, random lynch has better chances than lynch by tie analysis at the moment.

[GGnoRe]

i vote cruxis.

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by crAzerk

? ? Cruxis you reading the same thread?

Oh wow, I'm a crackhead.

Disregard my entire post then.

[crAzerk]

Btw, by pure chances, there is a 14% chance that both ties were citizen-mafia, and thus musta is mafia. Odds to randomly lynch a mafia are 27% now. So, random lynch has better chances than lynch by tie analysis at the moment.

Ok, random lynch then.
People left:
1. Next_rim
2. cruxis
3. pokerface
4. Rorschach (DEAD)
5. LennX
6. craZerk
7. Paroxysm
8. mustapusta
9. HDPhoenix
10. PoisoN
11. Zanderax
12. GGnoRe

/roll

oh wtf. Ok let me roll again if not the lame people will say 'oh crazerk is voting with ggnore they're mafia'

/roll


Ok, random lynch - I vote Next_Rim


P.S. I'm going for a school camp the next 4-5 days, but I'll try to log on just to make my votes in Mafia (if I'm still alive). Won't be able to analyze and read stuff so thoroughly anymore though

[LennX]

Since I 1st voted for next_rim in the previous round, I shall vote for next_rim again.

[HDPhoenix]

Personally, I've seen enough of a pattern and even if he isn't a mafia, it would remove alot of doubt so the vigilant and informant can spend their efforts elsewhere

Vote Mustapusta

[mustapusta]

Just because i can, Voting Next_Rim

[Next_rim]

I guess I'm getting "randomly" lynched.

lol@crAzek, guess it's pretty clear now how you randomize your vote.

Vote musta, I'm surprised he is still alive.

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Next_rim
10. craZerk - Voted for Next_rim
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - Voted for Next_rim
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for mustapusta
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe - Voted for Cruxis

3 Votes for Next_rim
2 Votes for mustapusta
1 Vote for Cruxis

[Zanderax]

I vote for mustapusta.

If it is between a Mafia and a Citizen, the Citizen is Killed
If it is between a Citizen and a Citizen, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker
If it is between a Mafia and a Mafia, a Coin Flip resolves the tiebreaker.

Since Baka was a Citizen mustapusta is the best bet.

[Paroxysm]

It seems pretty clear that mustapusta is the Joker, so i think it would be smarter to not waste a voting round... I vote Next_rim

[cruxis]

I think GGnore is Mafia.

He has contributed next to nothing. Even with the excuse of an exam, which has since gone, he's still hardly contributing. Plus he missed a vote, and the Mafia missed a kill. The timings of which were in the same day/night phase. Now, sure, if one Mafia member is away, there's still the other to give the kill, but if Deaths was his partner, then he wouldn't have a partner to do it.

Looking back while I wrote this, I noted Poison is guilty of all these aspects as well. However, GG voted for me, so there's another reason to vote for GG.

Vote GGNore

[ToRDeathsFang]

Uhh Cruxis in case you hadn't noticed both mafia families killed the SAME PERSON by coincidence, they didn't miss a kill.

[AvPoker]

I think I'll vote for Next_rim too, although I may change later on.

[LennX]

Are you really that scared of a joker paroxysm? Or are you just defending your fellow mafia?

[Paroxysm]

Actually LennX, as I said earlier its kind of a waste of a vote if we lynch someone who we are almost certain is the joker.

[LennX]

Why do you think that musta is a joker? And joker are treated as citizen anyway and given the way he defended himself, I'm more sure he is either a mafia or just plain vanilla citizen.

[Next_rim]

I don't think there is any way musta is a joker. He got randomly tied in a random lynch for voting late, survived a tie, then got tied again by some random people bringing up shaky reasons to vote, survived again. Now you think he is joker? He actually made 0 attempts to make people vote for him.

He is a mafia for obvious reasons, but somehow he isn't getting voted yet.

[LennX]

Lets hope the other mafia family/vigilante kill him then instead of somehow both the mafia families killing the same member. xD

Or the best each mafia family kill 1 person from each other.

[mustapusta]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

I don't think there is any way musta is a joker. He got randomly tied in a random lynch for voting late, survived a tie, then got tied again by some random people bringing up shaky reasons to vote, survived again. Now you think he is joker? He actually made 0 attempts to make people vote for him.

He is a mafia for obvious reasons, but somehow he isn't getting voted yet.

either it's just me, or you seem to like bringing up "Voting late".

[Next_rim]

either it's just me, or you seem to like bringing up "Voting late".

I do, because voting time can tell a lot about roles.

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - Voted for GGnoRe
5. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Next_rim
10. craZerk - Voted for Next_rim
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - Voted for Next_rim
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for mustapusta
15. PoisoN
16. Zanderax - Voted for mustapusta
17. GGnoRe - Voted for Cruxis

5 Votes for Next_rim
3 Votes for mustapusta
1 Vote for Cruxis
1 Vote for GGnoRe

[Paroxysm]

If i recall correctly Next_rim, musta said at the end of the last round 'just as i planned', or something to that effect. That makes me believe that he was aiming to be voted for the whole time.. Perhaps that's just my view but that's how I understood it.

[LennX]

benji I will like to change my vote to from next_rim to mustapusta.

change vote from next_rim to mustapusta

[GGnoRe]

i am sticking with my instincts! im still voting cruxis! come help me out and lynch him rawr. =)

[Benji]

Sorry for the lateness, I was casting GPD.

Day has ended and votes are in...

mustapusta has been killed by the Citizens. He was a member of the Rossellini Family.
PoisoN has been found dead from Inactivity. He was the Vigilante.

1. Next_rim - Voted for mustapusta
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - Voted for GGnoRe
5. pokerface - Voted for Next_rim
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for mustapusta
10. craZerk - Voted for Next_rim
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for mustapusta
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax - Voted for mustapusta
17. GGnoRe - Voted for Cruxis

4 Votes for Next_rim
4 Votes for mustapusta
1 Vote for Cruxis
1 Vote for GGnoRe

It is now Nighttime. Both families and the Informat have 24 hours to message me their Targets.

[LennX]

Vigilante is dead -_-"

[AvPoker]

Well at least we got a mafia member too
How many are left?

[LennX]

2 more are left. I think got a good inkling on who is the next unknown mafia member is. He has been a bit obvious in attempting to defend his own family member.

This round will highly be a citizen win.

[Paroxysm]

anyone else notice that mustapusta was killed when in a tied vote with next_rim? Clearly next_rim is also a mafia based on the tied vote rule.

[LennX]

And clearly the other mafia should not kill next_rim off to ensure 1 more kill and to force the citizen to lynch next_rim. However what if next_rim gets in a lucky shot? =D

Such a dilemma for both mafia. Either killing a mafia or taking a risk and hope they get a citizen. Killing the joker is bad too as now the joker will want to help either mafia family as he wants to get lynched.

Once the joker/ 1 more mafia is dead, the citizens will win. So tonight will be the deciding night.

[Paroxysm]

Its quite a dilemma :P

[Next_rim]

Told you musta is mafia. No1 ever believed me.

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

Told you musta is mafia. No1 ever believed me.

The irony is that I saved your life by having a last minute change of vote. The joke is on me.

[Next_rim]

So now I can kill one more. Would be fun to snipe the other mafia

[crAzerk]

Wow I wasn't inactive. Haha. Jus checking this with my phone, I'm actually at a school camp.
Well I vote for HDPhoenix !

No idea how to bold my text w my phone! Hope Benji sees this
And yes I know it's night time, it's a vote in advance in case I don get to log on again. Same reason as last time why I'm voting HDPhoenix

Good luck citizens!

[GGnoRe]

i think hdpheonix isnt mafia. i am throwing my vote out in advance before my exam later on. just in case i dont get back here on time. my vote is NEXT_RIM.

[HDPhoenix]

Sorry, I haven't been active on the forums. Its been an exciting week for me, news to come

I just took the time to back read, and I see no reason to leave Next_Rim alive since we've confirmed he is Mafia. Yes, he may inadvertently snipe a mafia with his kill, but the chance of that is too low that I rather not lose another citizen to him. The only other reason I can see to keep him alive is that he may also snipe the Joker, but again, the chances are low

So my vote is Next_Rim

[Benji]

Its still Nighttime, your votes are not counted yet.

[Zanderax]

Ok listen up because I can only say this once. I am the informant and I know who the other two Mafia are. Allow me to prove it. The first is Next_rim but everyone knows that already because of the tied vote rule and he will be dead tomorrow. The second however is a more complicated matter. Next_rim is Tortellini Family unless both Musta and Next_rim are voting for their team mates. I think not. On that basis we have 3 people who voted for Next_rim last time who are the potential Mafia. Pokerface, craZerk and Paroxysm. I know pokerface is not mafia because I asked on night 1. craZerk picks his randomly and Paroxysm posted this

anyone else notice that mustapusta was killed when in a tied vote with next_rim? Clearly next_rim is also a mafia based on the tied vote rule.

.

Now if I am still alive tomorrow I will get my results back from Benji and I will confirm. Oh btw, if I get killed, you know who to lynch.

[LennX]

But what if you are the joker?

[Benji]

pikk0n, if you are not a part of the game, please do not post game related information.

[Benji]

craZerk has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen.
pokerface has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He was a Citizen.

1. Next_rim
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe

It is now Daytime. Players have 48 hours to submit your day votes. Votes that were posted before this message are NOT counted.

[LennX]

next_rim is tortellini family
zanderax is rossellini family

Im the real informant.
votes for Zanderax

[cruxis]

Wow, 2 people claiming Informant. Post each nights results, please, so we can see who the real one is.

Pretty clear Next_Rim is Mafia, so we have to vote him off. We can't be certain on anyone else, until we discover who the real Informant is, and hoping we're following the right one may just get us a citizen killed, which results in 2 more dying in the night, which will basically throw the game away for us.

So, Vote Next-Rim. This should leave us 5 citizens and the Joker. After tonight's kill, we'll have either 4 citizens and Joker, or 5 citizens, trying to get the last Mafia.

I think it's safe to assume either Lennx or Zanderax will be killed tonight, to get rid of the informant, and depending on which one dies could lead us to the Mafia.

Until we can prove one of them are informant.

[Paroxysm]

I vote next_rim on the basis of the tied vote rule. At least it is a certain mafia kill and we can work on finding the next one on the next night.

[GGnoRe]

i vote next_rim as well.

[Next_rim]

I vote zanderax. Cuz I want to.

GG, it's the most sad way for a mafia to lose - to get revealed in a tie with another mafia, when it was clear for 2 rounds musta was mafia. Also, very lucky lover shot day 1, yall damn citizens.

[cruxis]

Well, getting lucky is always part of the game plan. :P

[HDPhoenix]

Next_Rim, for the reasons I posted before

[Benji]

1. Next_rim - Voted for Zanderex
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - Voted for Next_rim
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Zanderex
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for Next_rim
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe - Voted for Next_rim

4 Votes for Next_rim
2 Votes for Zanderex

[Zanderax]

*Votes for Next_Rim

[LennX]

So zanderax how are you going to win now? Since you are the last mafia standing? =D
If my suspicions are right, the joker is the one who you are claiming to be the last mafia.

[Zanderax]

It's ok if I die because then you know that Paroxysm is Mafia

[Next_rim]

Yall should switch a vote and tie me with zanderax to see if he is mafia.

[Benji]

Next_rim has been killed by the Citizens. He was a member of the Tortellini Family.

1. Next_rim - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Tortellini Family)
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - Voted for Next_rim
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - Voted for Zanderex
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm - Voted for Next_rim
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - Voted for Next_rim
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax - Voted for Next_rim
17. GGnoRe - Voted for Next_rim

It is now Nighttime, The remaining Mafia member and the Informat have 24 hours to PM me their target

[LennX]

Originally Posted by Zanderax

It's ok if I die because then you know that Paroxysm is Mafia

How can you die when you are the last mafia? I think you are trying to lynch a random citizen or Joker to have a better chance of winning. As lynching the joker, will mean another free kill. You also cant kill the joker because that will mean you surviving more nights just to win the game.

[Benji]

HDPhoenix has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen.

1. Next_rim - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Tortellini Family)
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax
17. GGnoRe

It is now Daytime. Daytime will end in 48 hours or once all votes have been submitted.

[cruxis]

I think we all know who we're voting for.

Vote Zanderax.

[LennX]

Vote Zanderax

[HDPhoenix]

But but I can...Wait!! *BANG!*

[GGnoRe]

zanderax is my vote!

and btw if i post a little late from here its cos i got a plane to catch in a couple of hours. flying back to singapore woohoooo.

[Paroxysm]

I vote for Zanderax .

[Paroxysm]

This could just be a coincidence, but has anyone noticed that cruxis voted 4 minutes after benji posted? This looks a little bit suspicious, as he could've been the mafia, sending his vote and waiting for benji to post the results and then quickly votingin the daytime. As i said, this could be a coincidence but it seems rather suspicious...

[Zanderax]

I am dead but if I'm the imformant then you know that Paroxysm is Mafia. I receieved a PM tonight.

*Votes Paroxysm

[cruxis]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

This could just be a coincidence, but has anyone noticed that cruxis voted 4 minutes after benji posted? This looks a little bit suspicious, as he could've been the mafia, sending his vote and waiting for benji to post the results and then quickly votingin the daytime. As i said, this could be a coincidence but it seems rather suspicious...

But i thought you knew who the last Mafia was because you are the Informant.

Also, I check the forums pretty regularly at night.

[Benji]

Zanderax has been killed by the Citizens. He was the Informat.

1. Next_rim - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Tortellini Family)
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax- *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Informat)
17. GGnoRe

It is now Nighttime. The remaining Mafia player has 24 hours to PM me their hit.

[LennX]

I find this apt.

+ Show +

[Benji]

Lennx has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was the Joker.

1. Next_rim - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Tortellini Family)
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Joker)
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax- *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Informat)
17. GGnoRe

It is now Daytime. players have 48 hours to submit their votes.

[LennX]

The irony. Oh well :P

Zanderax soul haunts me.

[Next_rim]

looks like citizens win. Grats. Benji, we want new game

GG everyone.

[Benji]

Originally Posted by Next_rim

looks like citizens win. Grats. Benji, we want new game

GG everyone.

Last I checked there was still 1 Mafia and 2 Citizens left.

[ToRDeathsFang]

Mafia is obvious, now hurry up and vote for him so we can start again and get my revenge!!$#@%$#%

[cruxis]

Yep, vote Para. He did a very good job claiming real informant.

[GGnoRe]

i vote parox as well. just arrived in singapore. wooo

[Paroxysm]

haha gg guys

[Benji]

Please don't post about the game even if you think its almost over (unless you're in the game!)

[LennX]

Uhmm all is left is for Paroxysm to vote. Vote damn it! And let us get a round 3.

[Benji]

Just FYI, the post for Round 3 is on my home computer, so even if the game finishes before then, the next round won't be up until tonight

[crAzerk]

Aww man.
But wow that makes me wonder - what is in store for Round 3? Haha sounds like there's gonna be a whole new bunch of new different roles/rules. Excited!

[Benji]

I'll take Paroxysm's post as a sign of resignation :P

Paroxysm has been killed by the Citizens. He was a member of the Rossellini Family.

1. Next_rim - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Tortellini Family)
2. Deathsfang - *DEAD* Killed by Lover (Tortellini Family/Lover)
3. BakaInu - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen)
4. cruxis - ***WINNER*** (Citizen)
5. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
6. Rorschach - *DEAD* Killed by Both Families (Citizen)
7. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
8. Aean(: - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Citizen/Lover)
9. LennX - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Joker)
10. craZerk - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
11. Paroxysm- *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
12. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
13. mustapusta - *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Rossellini Family)
14. HDPhoenix - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
15. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by Inactivity (Vigilante)
16. Zanderax- *DEAD* Killed by Citizens (Informat)
17. GGnoRe - ***WINNER*** (Citizen)

Congrats to cruxis and GGnoRe on winning Round 2 of sc2sea Mafia.

Round 3 post will be up soon, changing the format a little...

Btw, I want to note that if Paro killed GGnoRe or cruxis instead of LennX, the Joker would have voted in a way to get himself killed (most likely by tieing the vote with someone), the game was closer than it looked

[Paroxysm]

I didnt realise LennX was the joker until too late unfortunately GG to all involved haha.

[LennX]

All my hard work into saving you GONE! :P

[ToRDeathsFang]

WTF 2 of the most inactive people win -.-

[LennX]

Being inactive is a skill too. You draw very very little attention to yourself.

[cruxis]

Yeeeeeah! GG GGNore. And everyone else.

[GGnoRe]

haha. GG!!! =D