Welcome to sc2sea Mafia, for those unfamiliar with Mafia, the rules of the game is as follows:
Game Roles:
Citizen: Most people playing the game are citizens. Their job is to accuse and vote on people they think are the Mafia players during the Daytime.
Mafia: There will be 5 Players total divided into 2 Mafia families. Their job is to kill off the other family and all the citizens. During the daytime they take part in the discussion on who to kill along with all the other players, however during the nighttime they get their own kill, and they can kill off any member they wish. The Mafia know the members of their own family, however do not know who is in the other Family.
Informant: The informant is a Citizen that gets a special ability. Every nighttime the Informant can ask the Gamemaster whether a specific player is in the Mafia. The Gamemaster will respond with the correct answer. The informant only gets one question each nighttime. The Informant knows the Vigilante and can communicate with him ONLY about who he has asked the gamemaster about.
Vigilante: The vigilante is a Citizen that has the ability to Kill off 2 players every game. The Informant and the Vigilante know each other and can communicate ONLY about who is affiliated with what. The Vigilante can only use one of his kills a turn (ie: Cannot use both kills in the same turn) and can call them in at anytime (Daytime or Nighttime). If the Vigilante kills off a Citizen, he is revealed as the Vigilante to the Public, however if he kills a Mafia member, his role remains hidden.
*NEW* Lovers: Lovers are 2 players which have unique win conditions. Lovers can only win if they are the only 2 members left in the game. Once one lover is killed, the other is killed instantly as well. Lovers can also have other roles, such as Informat, Vigilante or even Mafia, or they could simply be Citizens (This is explained in the PM sent when said role is told to the player). Lovers may also communicate as much as they want with each other. Lovers also know the other players role, and can disclose to each other all information they know, for example if one member is part of a mafia family, he/she may tell the other player who the other members of the family are. Lovers are immune to the questioning of an Informat (The informat will only find out their other role, ie: Citizen, Mafia etc).
How the game is played:
1. Once 18 players have signed up, the game will begin. I will private message (PM) 5 Random players to be Mafia, 1 Random player to be the Informant and 1 to be the Vigilante. I will then post in this thread that the game has begun. If you do not receive a Private Message, you are a Citizen
2. The game starts in the Daytime, with the Citizens voting on who they think the Mafia is, and the player with the most votes will get killed and removed from the game. Remember the Mafia can (and do) vote as citizens so keep an eye on who votes for who to try and figure out who is part of the Mafia.
3. After the Daytime (Which lasts for 48 hours or until everyone has voted), it will be the Nighttime. Each Mafia family will PM me their Kill for the round, and the Informant will PM me asking about a specific player. This phase lasts for 24 hours, if I do not receive a message from any Mafia family or the Informant, they will miss their opportunity for the turn.
4. After the Nighttime, the Mafia kills will be revealed and it will become Daytime again, with the Citizen Vote. The cycle repeats until one team has won.
How to win?
Citizens, Informants and Vigilantes win by killing all 5 Mafia players. Dead citizens do not win. Mafia win by killing all of the citizens and the other family. Dead Mafia do not win.
Rules:
1. The game is restricted to 18 players on a first come, first serve basis. Once signups begin, post in the thread 'I wish to join the next game'
2. If you are killed, you are no longer a part of the game and cannot post in this thread. Posting in this thread will result in your post being deleted. If you continue to post you may be banned.
3. If you miss 2 Citizen votes in a row, you will be killed and will miss out on the next 2 games. Checking the forums every day or 2 isn't that big of a deal. If you will be unable to participate in the game midway through, message me and I will kill you off, however you will not receive a 2 game ban in this situation.
4. The only people who are allowed to talk about the game in PMs are the members of the Mafia families. The Informant is allowed to send the Vigilante PMs, but only containing the name of Mafia members and what family they are in, no other talk about the game should be happening in these PMs. The only place anyone else (dead or alive) should be talking about the game is in the game thread. Not in emails, IMs, PMs, at other message boards, but here in the game thread.
Prizes:
The prize for winning a game of Mafia is a forum Achievement (and fun!)
Last edited by Benji; Fri, 3rd-Jun-2011 at 5:51 PM.
Oh yeah, another rule which is vital: You're not allowed to edit your posts. Things you say previously can be used as evidence, and if people just go back and edit it out, it ruins the game.
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Signups have completed. Players should check their inboxes on the forums see if they are a Mafia member/Informat or Vigilante. If you have not already received a PM, you are a citizen for this game. Roles were selected with a random number generator to ensure fairness, and to eliminate any patterns.
Have you played before? The first day votes generally mean nothing, because there's no information to go off. Simply voting random people and see how they squirm is really the only way to try and get some information.
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See, now there's something to discuss. Paroxysm has put a 2nd vote on Pokerface, with no real reason to do so. To me, this spells the Exclusive and Paro are Mafia buddies.
Unvote Zergtastic, vote Paroxysm
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Oh i hate the first day!
can we bring in the rule that the vote is only official if in bold? cos I'm already confused as to who has voted for who.
Also it's pretty much always a citizen that dies on the first day.
@nard on the first day I wouldn't think so, most ppl just want to get to the next day so they can have that little bit of info but this is a different style of Mafia to what I'm used to so I could be wrong.
Oh ,I didn't even realise there was a 3nd page when I posted those 2 posts. :P
So far everyone seems to be voting Pokerface. For sure at least 2 of them would be Mafia, as they love to jump on bandwagons. Another thing to note is the votes without much information behind them. Mafia like to try and stay quiet, to try and avoid saying something to give them away.
And Poker, the Informant can only investigate someone during the night. Considering we haven't had a night yet, he will have no information on anyone, and giving his role up early just puts him as a prime target to be killed during the night.
But maybe that's what you want.
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Oh ,I didn't even realise there was a 3nd page when I posted those 2 posts. :P
So far everyone seems to be voting Pokerface. For sure at least 2 of them would be Mafia, as they love to jump on bandwagons. Another thing to note is the votes without much information behind them. Mafia like to try and stay quiet, to try and avoid saying something to give them away.
And Poker, the Informant can only investigate someone during the night. Considering we haven't had a night yet, he will have no information on anyone, and giving his role up early just puts him as a prime target to be killed during the night.
But maybe that's what you want.
True that, well I guess I'll have to prepare for my testimony soon. Until then, I need to study for exams and go to sleep
@meatex if this was a bigger game I would think you got given a usless role of a joker & would vote for you but seeing as it's super unlikely there is one in this game, IDK what to make of it... lonely?
I think this is all, but i may have missed some. guys that don't bold D<
Poison[1/10]=Yongming,
pokerface[5/10]=eXcLusiVe,Paroxysm,Nard,deathsFang,LennX
Sonata[1/10]=Santi,
Paroxysm[1/10]=Cruxis,
Santi[1/10]=Sonata,
meatex[1/10]=meatex(selfvote),
I was wondering when I was going to get a vote for all my posts.
So far we haven't got much to go on. Still some people that haven't posted at all, which is a little bit suspicious. Then there's all the votes for Pokerface. Obviously some Mafia are in one of these 2 categories, so we may as well start trying to figure out who.
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I was wondering when I was going to get a vote for all my posts.
So far we haven't got much to go on. Still some people that haven't posted at all, which is a little bit suspicious. Then there's all the votes for Pokerface. Obviously some Mafia are in one of these 2 categories, so we may as well start trying to figure out who.
or maybe those who havent voted havent got the time to view the thread like we do lol. cant wait for next game to start tho
Don't worry cruxis, the more you ask the more people will feel strongly about you. This will then either let you live all the way or die an early death.
And speaking of deaths, this is indeed a good way to "+1 post".
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Do we have to wait for everybody to vote, seeing as the majority of people have already voted for pokerface?
Majority haven't voted for him. 10 votes is a majority, in which the day ends and he is killed off. If there is no majority by the deadline, then whoever has the most votes is killed.
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We have to wait for everybody's vote. Also, we have over 24 hours to argue decisions. Pokerface can step up and offer unshakable arguments in his defense. The we all vote for some1 else. That's what mafia is all about.
Their trial period is when they start to get close to being voted. If they don't make a good case, then people leave their votes on, and others put the final votes on.
I guess now would be a good time for it, considering we would need time to get another target if he does provide the goods.
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There will be no trial system, or anything of the sort. Once the votes are done, the player is killed off.
no way ;;
well I suspect that theres a good chance that some of the people who are mafia and voted for me are most likely the ones that voted after the 1st or 2nd voter, which makes it look less suspicous.
not only am i bringing solid points, but i am obviously talking in a way that the mafia can eat @#$%, so please dont vote for me
The Informat can message the Vigilante the information and he/she can post it in this thread if he/she choses to, however if he/she choses to post the information in this thread, the Mafia will most likely kill the player in the nighttime phase.
Let's have a citizen volunteer to deceive mafia into killing the wrong guy. The plan is as follows:
1) We get a good clue who is mafia
2) Citizen posts that he is informant and confirms the kill
3) Real informant gets vigilante to kill the mafia
4) Mafia goes for "informant"
5) Next turn, informant+vigilante kill 2nd real mafia.
We trade 1 citizen for 2 mafia. Since there are more citizens than mafia, this will work wonders, and citizens will win eventually just by pure math. Ahoy, citizens, let's do it!
Without a trial this is complicated a lot. But because most of us are citizens we can't prove we're citizens because we have no special ability and no way of finding out extra information.
Basically, we could try random lynch and hope to get lucky or rely on the informant/vigilante combonation to go om nom nom nom all over the mafia's face.
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Basically, we could try random lynch and hope to get lucky or rely on the informant/vigilante combonation to go om nom nom nom all over the mafia's face.
That's how Day 1 usually works. Once day 2 has started, we can discuss all the votes, who died, and other stuff. Day 1 is always the worst for lynching, but it gets easier the longer the game goes.
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@Next_Rim in theory that works but let's face it, 5 mafia,18 of us, 1 informant, 1 vigilante. The informant has a 5/16 chance of scouting a Mafia so our chances are pretty slim.
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5/16 chance... i like those odds! thats 30% chance of scouting out a mafia each time.. and lets say he scouts out a citizen... thats 1/3 chance that the vigilante kills off at least one mafia and 1/9 chance that he kills off 2 mafias in one fell swoop.
There's also an alternative. There are still 3 players that haven't actively participated in the game yet. usually these people are prime Day 1 targets. The best to play the game is having active people posting.
Also, they could just be quiet to avoid revealing themselves.
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Oh so this version doesn't require a minimum of the majority of players in order for someone to get lynched? so as soon as everyone has voted the player with the most votes dies?
Oh so this version doesn't require a minimum of the majority of players in order for someone to get lynched? so as soon as everyone has voted the player with the most votes dies?
Pokerface has been killed by the Citizens, He was a Citizen
All votes are in, and are as follows:
1. DeathsFang - Voted for Pokerface
2. Dandelion - Voted for Pokerface
3. mustapusta - Voted for Pokerface
4. yongming - Voted for PoisoN
5. PoisoN - Voted for Pokerface
6. Paroxysm - Voted for Pokerface
7. Meatex - Voted for Zergtastic
8. Santi - Voted for Sonata
9. Next_rim - Voted for Sonata
10. SONATA - Voted for Santi
11. cruxis - Voted for Paroxysm
12. Zergtastic - Voted for Pokerface
13. Nofan - Voted for Pokerface
14. nard - Voted for Pokerface
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for cruxis
17. Zanderax - Voted for Pokerface
18. LennX - Voted for Pokerface
It is now Nighttime, Both Mafia families and the Informat can now Private Message me their hits, or their investigation target. Nighttime will finish in 24 hours or once all 3 Messages have been received.
well i can honestly tell u im talkative because i find this game very interesting. :S and i dont know how mafia/informant/vigilante is supposed to act also.
Its time for me to bring out my BFG. Doom players should know what it is
It's also time to change my sleeping habits to the day where its "safer" since more people are awake and thus can spot for me.
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Its time for me to bring out my BFG. Doom players should know what it is
It's also time to change my sleeping habits to the day where its "safer" since more people are awake and thus can spot for me.
kinda extreme to change sleeping habits just for a forum game! lol. i just
visited a mafia dedicated forum and saw that players do alot of discussion etc... sounds kinda deep when ppl start getting into it
Its time for me to bring out my BFG. Doom players should know what it is
It's also time to change my sleeping habits to the day where its "safer" since more people are awake and thus can spot for me.
Very bad decision. At night, you can't see anything beyond the light's circle. It is completely black for human eye. If you turn all light sources off, your pupils will enlarge, enhancing light perception, and you will actually have better chances to catch approaching mafia. I'm an outdoorsman and spend at least a week hiking in the mountains every august with friends. When we are behind schedule, we walk at night, and we have all flashlights off. Much safer and better vision, tbh.
Very bad decision. At night, you can't see anything beyond the light's circle. It is completely black for human eye. If you turn all light sources off, your pupils will enlarge, enhancing light perception, and you will actually have better chances to catch approaching mafia. I'm an outdoorsman and spend at least a week hiking in the mountains every august with friends. When we are behind schedule, we walk at night, and we have all flashlights off. Much safer and better vision, tbh.
What if you suffer from night blindness which means flashlight or else! If its a moonless night? I doubt you will have enough light in this case. Since wilderness = far from any man made light sources or any light pollution. Then again it has been a long time since I went night trekking so my memory may be fuzzy.
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
What if you suffer from night blindness which means flashlight or else! If its a moonless night? I doubt you will have enough light in this case. Since wilderness = far from any man made light sources or any light pollution. Then again it has been a long time since I went night trekking so my memory may be fuzzy.
Starlight on high altitudes is bright enough to be very safe w/o flashlights. When the moon was out, we could read books at 2am w/o any light source but the sky.
Anyway, If I was scared of mafia in my house after dark, I'd turn ALL lights off, but leave windows unshaded. Lock all doors, spread cereal all over the floor, barricade in a dark corner with a 2-barrel and a bottle of Stoly, and dare them to come
In the event of a tied vote, I will Kill off the non Mafia player if it is between a Mafia player and a Citizen. If it is between a Mafia player and another Mafia player, or a Citizen and another Citizen, I will flip a Coin.
I will also not reveal which method is used, so you do not gain any information from the decision.Tied votes are bad for Citizens, avoid them.
So, what arguments do we have for voting each of these players? I can't see any definitive reasons for these votes.
I have seen Zergtastic in the chat on numerous occaions, but he doesn't really post in here. Trying to fly under the radar maybe? Well, it's good enough reason for a 3rd vote.
Vote Zergtastic
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I like how ppl are voting for other due to them not posting, what sorta things do you want us to say this game gives no insight as to who could be Mafia it's always just gonna be a random lynch now that the cop is dead. I haven't been active cos I got a new game & sorta went 30 hrs of playing it then just slept for ages, my bad. didn't know i'll get taged for it D:
This is a Mafia win the Vig can only kill off 2 people per game & it's very unlikely they will hit mafia both times, even if they did it won't help much there will still be 3 left.
also who ever voted for Sonata...on day one Santi voted for Sonata first, so when Sonata voted for Santi I just took it as a play vote, smart Mafia wouldn't go after someone that voted for one of there members.
VOTE Yongming if this is wrong the vig has two chouses the next night. Although I've got a feeling all these votes are lead by Mafia.
Have we gotten a real reason as to why you keep voting the same person.
hmm i had no thought process with my votes whatsoever... but some of us has put in some insight on their thought processes and that got me thinking. not gonna change my vote for now as the person i voted for isnt seemingly in danger of getting voted out.
it is still early days tho. day 1's killing of pokerface sorta rendered any possible insight useless as we all jumped on the bandwagon... me included. looking forward to the next daytime where voting patterns will seem more obvious
zergtastic's vote for pokerface came at a time when the result was already inevitable. doesnt mean that it isnt suspicious. but any analysis at this point would probably be overanalysis.
edit: lack of posting would also probably mean a lack of interest in the game. who knows
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Reason: additional post
This will basically tip the mafia off but wouldn't smart mafia all vote for the same person so they can get a free citizen lynch + the kill at night.
This is my thought process because why would mafia all vote for different people? That's dumb. I think seven people voted for pokerface, and i'm saying five of them are mafia. *Epic music*
I know i voted for Pokerface as well but that was before i figured out the above. If you want to jump on top of me whatever but think about what i just said. It makes perfect sense.
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Pokerface had 10 votes. With there being only 5 mafia players, that means there would have been a maximum of 5 votes from the Mafia towards him. Which gives us roughly 50/50 chance of picking someone who is Mafia based purely on votes towards Pokerface.
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I know im not mafia, I didnt post much and still havent been posting much because I simply dont go in this thread often enough. My vote against pokerface was one of the last votes and I was simply jumping on the bandwagon. I dont see how that makes me mafia and causes me to have so many votes, so my conclusion is that the people voting for me are mostly mafia. So I'll vote for poison.
I've got pretty good reasoning, if you're a citizen, it wouldn't be a bad idea to follow the same train of thought.
That just leaves Nofan to vote, with Zerg and Yong being tied for most votes. Zerg has sorta put up a defence, so Yong, what's your defence?
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I know im not mafia, I didnt post much and still havent been posting much because I simply dont go in this thread often enough. My vote against pokerface was one of the last votes and I was simply jumping on the bandwagon. I dont see how that makes me mafia and causes me to have so many votes, so my conclusion is that the people voting for me are mostly mafia. So I'll vote for poison.
I've got pretty good reasoning, if you're a citizen, it wouldn't be a bad idea to follow the same train of thought.
You know what role you are, but we don't. Simply saying "I know I'm not Mafia" isn't a good enough reason, hell, Mafia would say exactly the same thing if questioned.
So why are you avoiding the thread? The amount of time you're online, I would guess it would only take you a couple of minutes to read all the new posts, rather then just not come in and have to go through a heap of them.
Sure, the voting of Pokerface was mostly random and bandwagoning, but you can't deny the fact that Mafia would have voted for him, and we're looking for any reasons whatsoever for the Mafia to slip up.
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1. DeathsFang - Voted for Zergtastic
2. Dandelion - Voted for Yongming
3. mustapusta - Voted for Nard
4. yongming - Voted for Sonata
5. PoisoN - Voted for Yongming 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex - Voted for Zergtastic 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim - Voted for Sonata
10. SONATA - Voted for Yongming
11. cruxis - Voted for Zergtastic
12. Zergtastic- Voted for Poison 13. Nofan
14. nard - Votes for mustapusta 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for Poison
17. Zanderax - Voted for Nard
18. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
3 Votes for Yongming
3 Votes for Zergtastic
2 Votes for Sonata
2 Votes for Nard
2 Votes for Poison
1 Vote for Mustapusta
1 Vote for Dandelion
Nofan has the last remaining vote, Waiting for him, or 4 hours to pass.Last chance to change your votes to avoid a deadlock, remember deadlocks favor Mafia significantly more than they favor Citizens.
i don't really have a defence. i mean i can understand why poison and sonata voted me. because i voted for them day 1 and day 2 respectively. but i don't understand dandelion's reasoning enough for me to formulate a counterargument. as for my vote i already justified it by saying sonata had a hand in getting santi killed. so apart from randomly lynching another person or going with the bandwagon hoping to strike lucky, sonata is the obvious choice. i doubt putting a defence does anything to change votes. so yea. lol.
On a complete side note, its next to impossible to figure out who is mafia at this point of the game, you kinda need a kill, or some guaranteed information to start comparing votes. You don't have this information yet. Mafia players are as smart as all of you are, perhaps they are even 1 step ahead.
Also, incase it isn't clear, there are 2 families of Mafia (one 3 large and one 2 large) that CANNOT communicate or work together, hell they don't even know who is in the other family and are playing against them as well as against the citizens.
In that case, after reading yongming's input, I feel he has more to offer than zergtastic in terms of spotting the mafia. In the event that both of them are citizens I do not want to run the risk of losing yongming. I do not believe that zergtastic is a mafia but he simply isn't participating enough at this point.
Or you could both change vote to Nard or Poison, and both survive this round. Game theory
I think Yongming, Cruxis and Deathsfang are mafia from one family, who voted different on purpose at different timings, and they are all trying to switch hate on to zergtastic now. Just looking at vote patterns and post timing
On that note, I change vote to yongming
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Or you could both change vote to Nard or Poison, and both survive this round. Game theory
I think Yongming, Cruxis and Deathsfang are mafia from one family, who voted different on purpose at different timings, and they are all trying to switch hate on to zergtastic now. Just looking at vote patterns and post timing
On that note, I change vote to yongming
I've played this before, and know day 1 votes mean next to nothing. You'll also notice that it was the very first reply of the game starting, when I have literally no information to go off. But i still had reasoning behind voting for him, he wouldn't make me a mod in his chat, so I thought that was good enough reason for the very first meaningless vote of the game.
You'll also note that I changed that vote pretty quick once I had actual in game information to go off.
Day 2, Yongming and Zerg both had the most amount of votes. Based on Day 1's voting pattern, I knew it would be either one of them that's going to get the hit, so I evaluated each one. Yongming has been pretty active, Zerg hasn't. In a game that based solely on discussion, players that aren't active aren't going to contribute towards the game as much as players that do.
Think of it this way, we're on Day 7. It's probably the last chance we have to vote off the Mafia. Would you rather have someone that's posted very rarely to gain information off, or someone that has posted a great deal, so there is more chance of analysis in determining his role.
I'm happy to change my vote to Yong if someone has any real insight to him being Mafia. But i would rather vote off an inactive player that's not really contributing over someone that is.
I like your reasoning of vote patterns and post timing. I looked back, and noticed You and Yong could be Mafia, as you were both pretty quick to vote for Sonata.
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whatever that rocks your boat just dont accuse me of targetting zergtastic when i have not even accused him since day 1. my suspicion still strongly lies on sonata and now with the input that mafia is actually split into 2 and 3 each group. im suspecting dandelion and sonata to be part of one group due to the fact that at such early stage of the game. there is no reason to be overprotective of another player unless *dun* *dun* he is your only other partner. that's just my thought process cause there is really too little information in this point in time.
you can't do anything to zergastic though. If you vote him, he votes you, and votes are still even. Defending yourself never works in mafia. So your teammates are rolling him over so you don't get knocked out. This is what rocks my boat.
I'll keep in mind your observations over dandelion and sonata though, seems like a solid lead.
I like your reasoning of vote patterns and post timing. I looked back, and noticed You and Yong could be Mafia, as you were both pretty quick to vote for Sonata.
Imagine you are mafia. Actually, don't have to imagine, I think you are mafia. So, you have only one ally, yongming, and have to vote for Sonata. You go ahead and say the entire population "I support yongming", giving a solid lead for others to consider both of you mafia. Then, during day 2, your ally has a 50/50 chance of being lynched. Then a person changes vote and puts an opponent up 4/3. So you change your vote and put your ally up 4/4 so he dies. Nice plan! Either you are bad at mafia game, or you are not mafia.
Imagine you are citizen who has to vote and give reason for a vote. You are lazy and don't care who to vote, so you just randomly pick a person and jump on his bandwagon. It's day 2 anyway, who cares?
Now suddenly, when yongming is starting to lead vote count, two people (who, including yongming, all voted different random people), jump in and bash zergtastic, second in-lead. Do I have to remind there is a 3-member mafia family still in game?
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So, you have only one ally, yongming, and have to vote for Sonata. You go ahead and say the entire population "I support yongming", giving a solid lead for others to consider both of you mafia.
Can you please quote the post where I did this? I just looked, and haven't voted for Sonata, I voted for Zerg and Paroxym. I also can't see any post where I've supported Yongming. On day 2 i told Yong not to vote for him because there was a chance he was the vigilante. So trying not to get a citizen voted off is mafia behaviour???
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Then, during day 2, your ally has a 50/50 chance of being lynched. Then a person changes vote and puts an opponent up 4/3. So you change your vote and put your ally up 4/4 so he dies. Nice plan! Either you are bad at mafia game, or you are not mafia.
I have no idea what you're saying here. Please rephrase what point you're trying to make.
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Originally Posted by next_rim
Imagine you are citizen who has to vote and give reason for a vote. You are lazy and don't care who to vote, so you just randomly pick a person and jump on his bandwagon. It's day 2 anyway, who cares?
I would rather try and get a mafia then just keep randomly voting people until we get lucky.
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your posting are beginning to not make sense. makes me wonder if its a dubious attempt to confuse everyone with misinformation. in your second last post, you mentioned that i "can't do anything to zergtastic" and in your last post you mentioned that i "jump in and bash zergtastic". you seem to be accusing me of rallying everyone to vote him off when post history shows nothing of sorts. if anyone it would be sonata, since my vote is against him and had clearly substantiated my reasons for doing so. it seems like you are trying to either get people to vote me off or at least pin the blame on me if zergtastic gets vote off.
and in your last post you mentioned that i "jump in and bash zergtastic"
Sorry, you must have misunderstood. What I meant is - your teammates, Cruxis and DeathsFang, were quick to propel zergtastic up the vote count after. You don't have to tell them anything. If they are responsible players (I prefer to overestimate people), then one choice for them is to vote someone else up. I'm not looking at evidence in your posts, I'm looking at how other people seem to respond to the situation. Only reason to do so is that all three of you are a team.
1) Day 2 starts - yongming randomly votes for santi (just like day 1, same tactics).
2) Cruxis votes zergtastic, then some1 else votes zergtastic. 2:1 for zerg, yongming - no threat.
3) Then poison ties yongming 2:2
4) Dandellion does first substantial analysis and votes yongming. 3:2. OO, mafia going down!
5) so Deathfang, being part of family, has to vote zergtastic in attempt to save yongming. 3:3
Since yongming was lucky to vote other person, and zergtastic voted random too, zergtastic now can't defend himself. If he switches yongming, yongming switches zergtastic.
Then Nard goes zergtastic (very suspicious too, actually. Inclined to think that cruxis is clean, and nard is actually 3rd member of mafia).
I have no choice but to tie yongming to give citizens a chance.
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Can you please quote the post where I did this? I just looked, and haven't voted for Sonata, I voted for Zerg and Paroxym. I also can't see any post where I've supported Yongming. On day 2 i told Yong not to vote for him because there was a chance he was the vigilante. So trying not to get a citizen voted off is mafia behaviour???
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I have no idea what you're saying here. Please rephrase what point you're trying to make.
You accused me of being mafia with yongming. And by saying "Imagine..." tried to put you into my place. I said that in my first vote on day 2. Is my English bad? Sorry for confusing answers.
Anyway, cruxis is my man now, nard has more shady things up his sleeve, since he voted zergtastic up. Yongming+nard+Deathfang=mafia.
Last edited by Next_rim; Fri, 27th-May-2011 at 8:45 PM.
Sorry, you must have misunderstood. What I meant is - your teammates, Cruxis and DeathsFang, were quick to propel zergtastic up the vote count after. You don't have to tell them anything. If they are responsible players (I prefer to overestimate people), then one choice for them is to vote someone else up. I'm not looking at evidence in your posts, I'm looking at how other people seem to respond to the situation. Only reason to do so is that all three of you are a team.
1) Day 2 starts - yongming randomly votes for santi (just like day 1, same tactics).
2) Cruxis votes zergtastic, then some1 else votes zergtastic. 2:1 for zerg, yongming - no threat.
3) Then poison ties yongming 2:2
4) Dandellion does first substantial analysis and votes yongming. 3:2. OO, mafia going down!
5) so Deathfang, being part of family, has to vote zergtastic in attempt to save yongming. 3:3
Since yongming was lucky to vote other person, and zergtastic voted random too, zergtastic now can't defend himself. If he switches yongming, yongming switches zergtastic.
Then Nard goes zergtastic (very suspicious too, actually. Inclined to think that cruxis is clean, and nard is actually 3rd member of mafia).
I have no choice but to tie yongming to give citizens a chance.
You accused me of being mafia with yongming. And by saying "Imagine..." tried to put you into my place. I said that in my first vote on day 2. Is my English bad? Sorry for confusing answers.
Anyway, cruxis is my man now, nard has more shady things up his sleeve, since he voted zergtastic up. Yongming+nard+Deathfang=mafia.
Or maybe Zerg is your Mafia buddy, and you had to tie the vote to make sure he doesn't get voted for, while trying to place as much heat on Yongming as possible.
Voting patterns are best left done after several days of comparison, as any number of possible outcomes can take place.
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The discussion is starting to get very heated, we should put all the information we have gathered so far into 1 post so we can refer to that instead of going through 8 pages of text.
On-topic, the day 1 votes mean can pretty much be void as nobody knew what was going on, i stick to my argument that either mafia families will be voting on the same person, i had said the 5 mafia voted for Pokerface, but now i know there's two families, so this is my new assumption on that.
I think the larger family would have decided to pick a random person to lynch, so they chose Pokerface, then, the smaller family MAY have caught on to this and voted for him as well. This is just grabbing wildly in the dark but looking back exclusive, nard and paroxysm were the first 3 to jump on top of Pokerface, then i was the fourth, and Lennx was the fifth. Then Cruxis changed his vote.
This is trailing away from the current discussion about Yongming but i think if we can weed out at least 1 of the families from just the very basic, general first day the citizens have a great chance of taking this.
Im checking painstakingly over and over the first 5 pages of ramblings for some hint the a mafia family was targeting a person, the closer the times of voting, the more chances they were dsicussing it before they voted.
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Okay Next_rim that's a pretty good point as yes i was very quick to vote for Zergtastic, i don't really have a solid argument against this but off the top of my head you'll notice that i was the first to randomly vote zergtastic, then after 20+ hours cruxis voted for zergtastic. The only way i can make a firm argument to prove that im not associated with cruxis in any way is to change my vote
I change my vote to cruxis
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@next_rim: oh okay that makes sense.
since im leading, i wonder if i should tie the votes to save myself or sacrifice myself. while i generally dont think zergtastic is the mafia, i might be wrong.
Hmmm I already stated quite clearly my motivations for voting zergtastic. Yongming brings solid insight in his posts thus far while zergtastic doesn't. I don't think either are mafia but if one has to be lynched I'd rather it be someone who brings less to the table.
Besides switching my vote to either yongming or zergtastic is a self serving exercise to ensure I don't get lynched too, thus staying in the game. Odds are against the citizens now but I believe I can be one of those who survives. I have two votes against me. One thru random vote and the other because I have a funny name. If voting zergtastic slaps me with a mafia tag, what am I to do? Revote and bring even more suspicion to myself?
Zergtastic has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen
1. DeathsFang - Voted for Cruxis
2. Dandelion - Voted for Yongming
3. mustapusta - Voted for Nard
4. yongming - Voted for Zergtastic
5. PoisoN - Voted for Yongming 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex - Voted for Zergtastic 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim - Voted for Sonata
10. SONATA - Voted for Yongming
11. cruxis - Voted for Zergtastic 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan
14. nard - Votes for Zergtastic 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for Poison
17. Zanderax - Voted for Nard
18. LennX - Voted for Dandelion
4 Votes for Zergtastic
3 Votes for Yongming
2 Votes for Nard
2 Votes for Poison
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for Cruxis
1 Vote for Sonata
Nofan has missed this rounds vote. If he misses the next he will be killed and banned for 2 games.
It is now Nighttime, Both Mafia families can now Private Message me their hits. Nighttime will finish in 24 hours or once both Messages have been received.
I didn't think Zergtastic was mafia anyways, but he didn't contribute at all so meh.
Going back to Next_Rim's post i wasn't the third person to vote Zergtastic, i stated quite clearly i think that i was randomly picking a person. Also, i was the first person to vote him.
I also have another hypothesis to share. Next_rim, you've been focusing on who is voting for zergtastic and saying that because several people, myself included, voted for him in quick succession that we are a mafia family, but I've looked through some holes and found something a little worrying.
Take a look at who voted for Yongming. Dandelion, PoisoN and Sonata. Have any of these people had any contribution? No they haven't. The only reasoning i found was because Yongming voted them in Day 1 and 2, but this is hardly a big enough argument.
With 2 groups of 3 people voting on 1 person each, this is really something to think about. Yongming's reactions to being voted were pretty calm and collected, but what would Sonata especially have against Yongming? I think because Yongming was onto Sonata, he got the large mafia family to vote her down.
1- All 3 of these people are fairly inactive
2- They have reasons for wanting Yongming dead
3- Yongming is an active contributor with solid insight, exactly the type of person to want dead.
I'd like any counter-arguments
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This is the 2nd night. I think some patterns are already forming especially among the active posters. Lets hope for more discussion like the hot topic between zerg and yongming before zerg got random lynched.
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Ummmm, Benji, did you count vote changes? I changed from Sonata to yongming, which puts yongming at 4 O_o
FUUUUUUU
I'm sorry, with all the chat in this thread I basically skimmed over looking for votes. You had already voted so I had no reason to look carefully at your post, and you didn't Bold the vote or make it stand out in any way.
I can't undo the vote at this point as that would be unfair on the game.
Next time, if you change your vote, make it stand out a little more.
The Tortellini Family have killed Zanderax. He was a Citizen.
The Rossellini Family have killed Cruxis. He was a member of the Tortellini Family.
1. DeathsFang
2. Dandelion
3. mustapusta
4. yongming
5. PoisoN 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim
10. SONATA
11. cruxis- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family) 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan
14. nard 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen) 18. LennX
With the first Mafia player dead, now you can go back and look at past votes and try and figure out who else is part of the Tortellini Family!
It is now Daytime, please submit your Citizen votes for the second day. Daytime will end in 48 hours or once the remaining players have all voted.
you could literally say whoever crux was voting for is almost a confirmed non-member of tortellini, but all of em died unfortunately.oh and if yongming happens to not be part of tortinilli, we're in deep trouble
Last edited by mustapusta; Sat, 28th-May-2011 at 8:34 PM.
certainly hope that tortellini has 3! that way they cant really control the field...
ON A SIDE NOTE. WHAT IS THE VIGILANTE DOING?!
lol
most likely still waiting for good info before killing. because if he kills a citizen, he'll be exposed. vigilante has 2 shots right? well it doesn't hurt if he manages to randomly take down correct mafia players. (<-- 2nd vote would go for meatex either way *HINT*)
I am still thinking about who to vote for and I do believe that there are other people who voted for yongming to try to save him. The problem is that yongming and zergtastic didn't bother to save themselves when they could. It will make things easier if zergtastic was a mafia too.
And nofan why are you not posting? Even Dandelion posted after I voted for him.
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Im trying to figure out why the mafia are killing these people.
Zandarex, what has he done? Nothing, he was no threat whatsoever, why not vote for Yongming, who was actively contributing thus being a threat. I think Yongming has to be mafia.
i vote yongming
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I just realised my own mistake lol. If yongming and zerg were tied for votes, and both of them didn't change it. That means they were confident of surviving since Benji will try to kill the non-mafia off first without telling us. In the event that both of them are mafia, they will still have 50% chance of living. And since yongming was talking about changing the way to a 3 or 4 way tie, which will be even better for the mafia member(s). Since he can't do that without being too obvious, he maintained his vote and hoep for the best.
Thus I will vote for yongming
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
What nard said makes too much sense so my vote goes to youngming
Also starting to think sonata is a mafia too. Doesn't seem to say much and just jumps on bandwagons
1. DeathsFang - Voted for Yongming
2. Dandelion 3. mustapusta - Voted for Yongming
4. yongming 5. PoisoN - Voted for Yongming 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for Yongming 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat) 9. Next_rim - Voted for Yongming
10. SONATA - Voted for Yongming
11. cruxis- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family) 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan 14. nard - Voted for Yongming
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for Yongming
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX - Voted for Yongming
9 Votes for Yongming
Last edited by Benji; Sun, 29th-May-2011 at 10:51 AM.
Yongming has been killed by the Citizens, He was a member of the Tortellini Family
Nofan has been killed from Inactivity, He was a Citizen
1. DeathsFang - Voted for Yongming
2. Dandelion 3. mustapusta - Voted for Yongming
4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - Voted for Yongming 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for Yongming 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat) 9. Next_rim - Voted for Yongming
10. SONATA - Voted for Yongming
11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family) 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen) 14. nard - Voted for Yongming
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 16. eXcLusiVe - Voted for Yongming
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX - Voted for Yongming
Nofan will recieve a 2 game ban for not voting in the last 2 Day times (Both lasting 48 hours)
Dandelion missed today's vote and may be killed if he misses the next Citizen vote.
It is now Nighttime, Both Mafia families now have 24 hours to PM me their kills for this Nighttime.
After this night, it will be clear. Tortellini had 2 dead. If we get a tortellini kill, it means Rosellini are 2, and toretellini are 3. If we don't, it means 3-people rosellini is still out there.
6 citizens and 1 vigilante vs 3 mafia. Vigilante needs to start kicking ass, or we lose
Since it's nighttime this probably isn't the best time to be saying this but just in case i die to mafia lynch tonight, ill say it now.
It's almost certain that another person that had voted for Zergtastic the second day was part of the Tortellini family. We're going to need to find very tiny, specific voting patterns to find out who is the third man in the Tortellini's.
SONATA has been on my radar for a while now, jumping on bandwagons and only coming on to quickly say minimal things, vote and leave. Very suspicious, i'm guessing he's part of Rossillini, actually, i'm almost positive just because of his behavior.
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The odds are interesting. I wonder if the mafia will try to kill each other or gun for citizens to try to survive longer. 2 families= 2 kills in the night. 1 family = 1kill in the night.
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Exclusive has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen
The Tortellini Family has failed to submit a hit on time.
1. DeathsFang
2. Dandelion
3. mustapusta
4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim
10. SONATA
11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family) 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX
It is now Daytime. Please submit your votes for the day! Daytime ends when all votes are in or 48 hours has passed.
meat has somewhat escaped the kill. and has been suspicious in his words as far as i can tell . i'm voting meatex
Also death, note that we citizens got up to 48 hours to vote, and the night is just 24. You're running under the assumption that dandelion has not been around for 72 hours. which i think he might have came back just too late to vote. Also note that i got nothing to benefit as only last person in tortenilli is left.
Last edited by mustapusta; Tue, 31st-May-2011 at 7:08 PM.
im working on the assumption musta but its all i have to go on. Everything is an assumption. Your assuming meatex is mafia because of his suspicious behaviour.
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yeah, but in a way, if dande doesn't get killed tonight, the other mafia has to kill him, or the vigilante. because i'm sure the mafia doesn't want the last opposing mafia family to randomly shoot one of their 2 man family. even if we don't lynch him today, we got the night to take him out.
We should b aiming for the rosselini and let the vigilante kill him. I do not know who to vote at this point tho. LennX has been lurking around. Meatex is too quiet for my liking. the only person I'm pretty sure is not mafia is next_rim. Dandelion is tortellini we all know that. Vigilante will do his job in due time. Think we should leave our votes for the rosselini
Poison and deathsfang want dandelion out so fast I'm inclined to think at least one of em is mafia.
There has been rumblings about both of them too.
Any thoughts from you guys
Well since u brought attention to us as possibly a vigilante... The mafia might just snipe either of us at night now... Thanks for shortening my game. Unless u r mafia Urself? U have been lurking and not posting much...
oh death, are you saying your gonna vote me off the island because I didn't vote yesterday? I'v been getting up at 7pm for the past few days,I was online untill 6am last night mostly watching a stream but still if i was Mafia I could have easily submitted my kill.
by all means if you truly believe me to be Mafia then like nard said the vig can kill me off at night, why waste todays vote on someone your so sure is Mafia?
I want to vote poison, cos you gave no reason at all to why you voted me at less death made sense in some twisted way, posting just a vote at this time in the game is pretty sad & doesn't help anyone decide what to do. /sad face
VOTE Poison (you should at less try to give a reason as to why you vote someone even if that reason is the same as a previous person) ;p
oh death, are you saying your gonna vote me off the island because I didn't vote yesterday? I'v been getting up at 7pm for the past few days,I was online untill 6am last night mostly watching a stream but still if i was Mafia I could have easily submitted my kill.
by all means if you truly believe me to be Mafia then like nard said the vig can kill me off at night, why waste todays vote on someone your so sure is Mafia?
I want to vote poison, cos you gave no reason at all to why you voted me at less death made sense in some twisted way, posting just a vote at this time in the game is pretty sad & doesn't help anyone decide what to do. /sad face
VOTE Poison (you should at less try to give a reason as to why you vote someone even if that reason is the same as a previous person) ;p
By following your logic, then if you are a citizen, why didn't you vote? It was clear that everyone voted for yongming so he was going to die no matter what. I find your reasoning of "easily submitting a kill" to be flawed. As PMing a kill and posting to vote on a lynch takes the same amount of time in my opinion.
Or are you trying to mislead us?
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
1. DeathsFang -Voted for Dandelion
2. Dandelion - Voted for Poison
3. mustapusta - Voted for Meatex
4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family) 5. PoisoN - Voted for Dandelion 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim
10. SONATA
11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family) 12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard
15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX
2 Votes for Dandelion
1 Vote for Poison
1 Vote for Meatex
With 9 players left, 3 being Mafia, and the Vigilante still at large, each Citizen (and Vigilante) has a 3/8 Chance of blind guessing a Mafia correctly. Given addition information Citizens have a good chance at winning this!
Well dandelion i dont know what you get up to but seeing that you didnt vote during the day, and then the mafia family with 1 member left didnt vote, it makes perfect sense to think that you were afk for long enough to not be able to vote in both of these. Thats my thought process
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woah crap been too busy drinking
ummmmm i vote mustapusta because he seems to be trying to focus attention on me without any reasoning and that sound mafia-ish ^^
Last edited by Meatex; Wed, 1st-Jun-2011 at 12:03 AM.
Reason: make bold
I think deathsfang and poison are the 2-man mafia. They both voted for zertastic in round 3, so I thought they were saving yongming (I fuckn knew yongming was mafia). But after 2nd tortellini died, I went back to check vote patterns. All known tortellini have been voting random people in daytime. Poison and Deathsfang have been jumping on bandwagon, or voting same people. They now voted Dandelion together again. Since nobody voted Deathsfang, I'll vote Poison to have better chances of taking out mafia.
@LennX- I'm guessing you mean cos I was up all last night? if so I wasn't on in time to vote, and putting in a vote once the day had ended seems poitless, but if I get voted off for that reason I'll happly late vote in future games.
1. DeathsFang -Voted for Poison
2. Dandelion - Voted for Poison
3. mustapusta - Voted for Meatex
4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family) 5. PoisoN - Voted for Dandelion 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for Mustapusta 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat) 9. Next_rim - Voted for Poison
10. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen) 14. nard - Voted for Poison 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX
4 Votes for Poison 2 Votes for Dandelion 1 Vote for Meatex 1 Vote for Mustapusta
Citizen vote has finished and Poison has been killed. He was a Citizen.
1. DeathsFang -Voted for Poison
2. Dandelion - Voted for Poison
3. mustapusta - Voted for Meatex 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for Mustapusta 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat) 9. Next_rim - Voted for Poison
10. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen) 14. nard - Voted for Poison 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen) 18. LennX - Voted for Mustapusta
4 Votes for Poison 2 Votes for Dandelion 2 Votes for Mustapusta 1 Vote for Meatex
It is now Nighttime, the 2 Mafia familes have 24 hours to PM me their kills.
With 8 players left, 3 being mafia, Will the Vigilante take one of his 2 kills soon? Or risk getting killed each nighttime to get a more accurate kill?
Wow, fml. After Deathsfang change, I actually changed my mind, and wanted to come back and re-vote for nard or something, to save poison, but too late.
Benji outplaying me again. FUUUU.
add: Deathsfang, you are still mafia. You voting for Posion just made it impossible for you to get killed, because everyone voted Poison. Nice work.
Last edited by Next_rim; Wed, 1st-Jun-2011 at 2:57 PM.
Nard has been killed by the Vigilante. He was a member of the Rossellini Family.
1. DeathsFang 2. Dandelion 3. mustapusta 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim 10. SONATA 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX
Vigilante hits happen straight away, it is still Nighttime as I am still waiting for Mafia votes.
PHEW. These odds are pretty nice and chances are today/tonight another mafia member is going to get lynched or killed. 6 players, 2 mafia, 33% chance of lynch working.
And next_rim what makes you think im mafia? Ive almost always been the first or second person to vote for someone and i never jump on bandwagons. What about SONATA, he hasnt had a contribution the whole frigging game.
With poison dead and him not being a suspected partner with me, what more can you say? You can lynch me, but it's only gonna turn out worse. What if im the vigilante?
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Red circle? Vigilantes are much more brutal. They shoot in blind range with a small particle shotgun shell. As you bleed out, they read you a lecture on morality and law, and torture you with irons, nails and cigars while at it.
Deathsgang,
I'm still waiting for mafia kills to do more analysis. Be cool
I still have a bad feeling on dandelion, i know hes a member of rossilini. He missed the citizen vote AND the 1 man mafia family didnt vote. That's my assumption, but like ive been saying for a bajillion years SONATA has a cloud of suspicion around him
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lol sonata im not just suspicious of you because of your lack of posting, but also because you keep jumping on bandwagons without even a 1 or 2 line description, THATS suspicious. Just like dandelion. Come to think of it, the only active members left is myself, lennx and next_rim.
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because i have actual commitments outside and trying to find a job. otherwise, whatever free time will be me reading the defenses and putting out my opinion.
hmmm sonata trying to deflect suspicion by joking he is mafia...
and i see musta has been trying to focus attention on me for a while but still have given a reason. certainly seems like part of plan to reduce attention to himself
My money on these two being the remaining mafia
yeah saying your a mafia then saying your joking is a great way to deflect suspicion. The only way someone will be completely safe today is if they say they are vigi, but then the real vigi or mafia will just kill them at night.
I think ill press my assumption and vote dandelion
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Deathsfang jumping the gun a little there :P
Nighttime has ended (Thanks to the Mafia for being prompt in your votes )
Next_rim has been killed by the Rossellini Family. He was a Citizen
Lennx has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He was a member of the Rossellini Family
1. DeathsFang 2. Dandelion 3. mustapusta 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 10. SONATA 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
It is now Daytime, please submit your votes within the Next 48 hours. Daytime will end in 48 hours or when every vote has been submitted.
On a side note, the end of these Mafia games generally goes faster than the beginning as there is more interest in the remaining players and less people required to vote
Left in the game we have:
1 Mafia member
1 Vigilante with 1 Kill remaining
3 Civilians
I'm no mob psychologist, but when you accuse someone, you draw more attention to yourself, not to the person you accuse.
I also think that vigilante didn't figure out the kill from the discussion, he had the info all the way from round 1, when informant was killed, and just sat back and waited.
There is no point in blaming peeeplz till we get mafia kills.
add: WHOA that's what you get for talking too much. GG everyone. LennX, you are pro mafia, would've never thought you are one.
Last edited by Next_rim; Wed, 1st-Jun-2011 at 5:25 PM.
Its either the citizens kill the last mafia or the mafia being able to kill 3 more people. And thus leaving a mafia and citizen left in the game.
Citizens should win now. Unless somehow they screw up big time.
Edit :The last Tortellini member screwed up a little by killing the other family off too early as more citizens needs to be killed off first before having a mafia war to depend on the final winner. :P
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
your all following the last mafia D<
stop running into votes your gonna lose that way.
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Originally Posted by DeathsFang
for the whole game you thought i was mafia, i can think of only one way to prove im not mafia.
then placing a vote on Poison, who was a townie.
how is voting off someone else who happens to be a townie prove your not mafia?
going with the thought that you are mafia, you would have known poison to be town(less then likely mafia) there for felt that if you lynched him, the ppl that had been accociating you two together would also think you were town. This may have been true if you hadn't point it out.
well dandelion i dont know how i can prove im not mafia but if you ask me any question ill answer it and still it doesnt really matter anymore because i still think you are the last mafia and you are most likely going to get lynched
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Tell me how that 1 quote makes me mafia, because really? For me to be mafia it means i would have to have been collaborating with LennX the whole time because i think he was in the family with 2 members if i remember correctly. If you look back, we rarely voted the same person or even agreed.
How can you on the other hand prove YOUR not the last mafia?
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You would have known that poison was a townie there for thinking that if you changed your vote, revealing that poison was town you would also be safe.
it's almost like everyone has given up on this game D:
MY DEFENSE
why do you think the Vig didn't kill me last night? it would be a pretty stupid way to prove that i wasn't Mafia.
yes I'm saying I'm the vig.
1-I killed Nard cos he was calling everyone else Mafia. going back to page13 he said I was Mafia right after that he said either poison or deathsfang were Mafia, pointing the finger to much times can screw you up.
2-I tried to save Zerg because he was the only person i had received info on, hence why i haven't been killing anyone until I was 90% sure they were Mafia.
Okay then dandelion ill take your word but if you dont get killed tonight either
a)mafia is very stupid
b)your mafia
Well if your the vigi then who the **** is the last mafia?
Allied with LennX, so anybody with a lot of connections vote-wise with LennX is also a strong candidate.
Theres only 5 of us left and now SONATA with again his dam friggen jumping on the bandwagon is so stupid, shitty internet or not. Meatex has done almost nothing the whole game. Mustapusta woke up like 3 days ago.
And btw Dandelion i applaud you for staying hidden for so long and also you could go ahead and kill me and i cant really do much about it except go back and look for whoever was connected with lennx but im telling you now if you get me killed it will be 3 town 1 mafia. it's your choice
EDIT: I got it wrong. The last mafia was allied with Yongming and Cruxis, that may make it a little bit easier but still harder because they both died 10000 years ago. R.I.P. But it shouldnt be too hard to find a pattern.
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Last edited by ToRDeathsFang; Wed, 1st-Jun-2011 at 9:35 PM.
Okay i give up TT I looked through votes and everything since day 1 and i found jack. Yong and Cruxis died way too early for us to find a pattern for the last mafia. Dandelion, i recommend taking a shot at someone as soon as its nighttime. 3 citizens, 1 mafia. You have a 25% chance of getting it right.
It's all up to you now, get it wrong and town will probably lose
EDIT: i discard my vote
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Last edited by ToRDeathsFang; Wed, 1st-Jun-2011 at 10:16 PM.
Well its a toss up between sonata and musta
only evidence against sonata is his joke and not saying much the whole game
Where as musta - after voting for me twice in a row - decides at first to jump on the dandelion bandwagon (after using the bandwagon to question others innocence) then changes his vote to me. again with no reason.
This leaves me 90% sure that musta is the final mafia
So I vote mustapasta
well then i also think its either sonata or musta. Dandelion, how about you kill either musta or sonata as soon as you read this,if either of them is not a citizen we lynch the other.
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1. DeathsFang 2. Dandelion
3. mustapusta - Voted for Meatex 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for mustapusta 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
10. SONATA - Voted for Dandelion 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for Meatex
1 Vote for mustapusta
Just to clarify, the Vigilante can kill a single player in any phase of the game, restricted to 1 per phase. In other words, the Vigilante can use their final kill at any time in this game.
Ugh this is so frustrating..............................
Dandelion, if he is the vigi like he says, has a 1/4 chance of taking out the mafia. It is a toss up between musta and sonata so that narrows it down.
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If i was really a mafia, i would be certain of who to vote, and stick with it. not being flimsy. and why just me and sonata? unless i missed something about meatex being 100% civilian.
you weren't flimsy musta, i called you out for picking on me to take eyes off of you
Another guy said accusing someone continuously raises suspicion on the accuser and low and behold we get a different vote from you. Smells like you want to try to have your cake and eat it too
Take suspicion off yourself while still being able to target me
Again you gave no reasoning the whole thread its clear you just picked a person at random and said hey if I keep saying he's mafia i can sway others while keeping suspicion off myself
Just a reminder that Daytime finishes in around 6-7 hours, and if the votes stay as it is, there's zero chance of killing the mafia as it is currently a 3 way tie and in tiebreaker situations the Mafia player is never killed off (Assuming that the remaining Mafia player is one of the 3 people that have votes, they could be one of the 2 without votes, who knows!).
I'm not sure how it would help, but under the 6 hour remaining stress and the fact that meat is trying to defend himself as citizen, same with me, and i've seen sonata been out of the radar the entire game,
Changing Vote to Sonata
Reasons would be because he's the quietest poster and always jumps on bandwagons. He could be actually reading everything that's been posted, but trying to keep a low profile to avoid target. But i also figure that i might die soon, so i'll just change it. If meatex turns out mafia instead, GGWP.
I'll vote for sonata for the same reasons as Mustapusta.
If anyone sees me as potential mafia trust me Sonata and Dandelion would have been dead LONG before we found out Dande was Vigi. But then again why doesnt the Vigi just kill someone before nighttime? If we lose Vigi tonight it's GG. Dandelion PLEASE kill BEFORE nighttime if you read this!
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@Dandelion Ppl think sonata is mafia, me included because all he does is jump on bandwagons. And if your so sure im mafia then go ahead and kill me, i can't stop you. Just make sure the real mafia doesn't win.
Bye bye Sleep with the Fishes achievement
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you mean like how ppl thought I was mafia, cos I didn't post much? umm yeah ttly.
also I'm not gonna kill until tonight cos everything you guys say helps me decide who to kill :3
Right now, I'll list a few situations that might happen under the assumptions that dande is vigil and survives the night
dande takes out one now, 4 left, one gets lynched if not mafia. 3 left at night, mafia kills one. 2 left, tie
Dande doesn't takes one out now, 5 left, one gets lynched. mafia takes one at night, morning with 3 + 1 shot.
Further down the 2nd senario, dande has 50% to shoot mafia.
Under the assumptions that he doesn't survive tonight's kill without using a bullet, 5-(lynched and mafia kill)=3 players left, we lynch wrongly, 2 left, mafia kill one, mafia wins.
leaving us only 33% to weed out the mafia.
If he uses the bullet, we'll have 3% to lynch the correct person if he doesn't take out the real mafia.
The only thing i can say here is, i would prefer if you kept the bullet for tomorrow to enhance our chances of winning.
Like i said earlier if i was mafia you and sonata would be long dead by now. Just make the right decision, theres 4 people, 1 mafia, no room for screw ups
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Incorrect, in that situation there will be a daytime vote, and because the Mafia player is not killed in a tiebreaker situation, the Citizen is killed, and the Mafia player wins.
Sonata has been killed by the Citizens. He was a Citizen.
1. DeathsFang - Voted for Sonata 2. Dandelion
3. mustapusta - Voted for Sonata 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 7. Meatex - Voted for mustapusta 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 10. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
2 Votes for Sonata
1 Vote for Dandelion
1 Vote for mustapusta
Dandelion did not vote. If he misses the next Daytime vote he will be killed and issued a 2 game Ban.
It is now Nighttime and Mafia can now send in their hit for the night. Nighttime will end in 24 hours or once I have received the hit. Due to there only being 1 Mafia member left, I will delay the reporting of the hit until a few hours have passed to not give away who has sent in the hit.
I usually wait for stuff like this but due to the nature of the hit, it is irrelevant trying to hide the player in question:
Deathsfang has been killed by the Vigilante. He was a Citizen.
Because the Vigilante has killed a citizen, he has been revealed as Dandelion.
1. DeathsFang - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Citizen) 2. Dandelion - (Vigilante)
3. mustapusta 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 10. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
It is still Nighttime. Nighttime will end once Mafia have sent in their Hit or 24 hours have passed.
Last edited by Benji; Fri, 3rd-Jun-2011 at 6:00 PM.
Pressure it's not my friend, also it's a game bro no one really cares in the end.
Just know you pushed me to the point where as long as you were gone I really didn't care who won.
The vigilante will soon be gone
and that just leaves you musta... tell me, what tipped your suspicion?
*pulls out a sleek black handgun and slowly starts to screw on a silencer*
should have gone with your instinct
*points the gun at mustapasta, gagged and bound to chair in a decrepit warehouse in a part of town nobody went anymore*
......
Dandelion has been killed by the Tortellini Family. He was the Vigilante.
1. DeathsFang - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Citizen) 2. Dandelion - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)
3. mustapusta 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 10. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
It is now Daytime. Daytime will finish once both votes are in. Lets make this fast so we can move onto the next game
You've said several times that you can't vote for yourself, so the only outcome is that they are going to vote for each other. Which results in a tie, and you said Mafia wins that.
May as well just call it, or at least start a new thread for the next game.
PS: Good work my mafia buddy!
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Like after 2/3 citizen, it will be a special person. There is a slight pattern to it and I still feel that the vigilante kill should not be instant. It should be at the end of the day/night imo
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Early game loss = Cheese
Mid game Loss = All in
Late game Loss = Imbalance
Mustapusta has been killed by the Citizens/Mafia. He was a Citizen
1. DeathsFang - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Citizen) 2. Dandelion - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Vigilante)
3. mustapusta- *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 4. yongming - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Tortellini Family)
5. PoisoN - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
6. Paroxysm - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
7. Meatex - Tortellini Family 8. Santi - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Informat)
9. Next_rim- *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen) 10. SONATA - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen) 11. cruxis - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Tortellini Family)
12. Zergtastic - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
13. Nofan - *DEAD* Killed from Inactivity (Citizen)
14. nard - *DEAD* Killed by the Vigilante (Rossellini Family) 15. pokerface - *DEAD* Killed by the Citizens (Citizen)
16. eXcLusiVe - *DEAD* Killed by the Rossellini Family (Citizen)
17. Zanderax - *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Citizen)
18. LennX- *DEAD* Killed by the Tortellini Family (Rossellini Family)
Meatex has won the first game of sc2sea Mafia. He was the third member of the Tortellini Family. Congrats
Better yet, add an Archive section, then lock this one and put it there. While moving the signup posts to the new thread.
After several games, you can see people's posting style in which role, so it adds another layer of information gathering.
nirvana edit:
great idea with the added layer of information gathering, yea posting style can be studied haha! closed thread, made a new one and moved posts. meatex has been awarded the first ever sleeping with the fishes achievement, well played sir.
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