[simon]

benjis bias and arrogance aside he isnt a good caster at all. The analytical side of his casting leaves much be desired. There is a reason why in the last year casters like apollo/bitter/rotti/day9/total biscuit are still in such high demand and the herp derp casters like jp mcknownothing and dj i only have a job in sc2 as a caster because ive been in the industry for 10 years wheat have been getting less and less time in front of the camera. THIS needs to happen in sea where the good casters get rewarded...for being good and despite all of benjis "efforts" it does not entitle him to anything. benjis practice of protectionism is another issue that people have brought up which also needs to stop. actively going out of your way to ensure you are the premier casting brand in sea by any means necessary does not sit well with many people.

also his standard response of "its the same people saying the same shit"

i think he should take a look at strafes post and all its up votes.

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[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

You just talked about how he is too proud to publicly ask for this...

so what possible better way to get his back up about it and not want to respond at all to any legitimate criticism than to air them all in public like this.

I'm really just saying you should think about it for 5 minutes first. I do not particularly love benji's casting, but if I have something I want to say to him, I'll say it to him, not to everyone to look cool by being on the benji hating bandwagon.

The public nature of this thread is aimed to force Benji to realise that he needs to take this seriously.

I did think about it for a few minutes - I even asked a few non-TA members if I should post this and was told - yes, nirvAnA said on sunday that this needs to happen so Benji can see what people think - instead of everyone thinking it in the back of their heads but not acting on it.

Also, I specifically asked there not to be any 'hate' so I fail to see how this is 'Jumping on the Benji hate-bandwagon'

If you feel nothing needs to be said to Benji - don't post in this thread. Thank you for derailing the thread, if you want to continue to share that you disagree with everything I post - please PM me, if I don't respond or fail to take your comments into consideration - I welcome you to post a similar thread, Erasmus.

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[Dox]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

Maybe you'd like to rephrase the title because it insinuates that Benji needs help, which yeah - when not asked for, could be taken personally.

[19/02/2012 7:04:36 PM] Bryan Choo (aLt.NirvAnA): Benji has given the go ahead with the constructive feedback thread


Alright so I'm just gonna weigh in with something very concise here. Benji has been upsetting more and more people lately. He refuses to respond to criticism, always disengaging from threads or discussions pertaining to his attitude or casting. He even blocked me from Skype to avoid having these sorts of conversations. So by calling other teams "free wins" and getting away with it, and then making jokes at the expense of people he has offended, whilst insulting viewers live on his stream, he's only digging a deeper hole for himself. He said he refused to apologise for his comments, because it would just draw more attention to his attitude.

Joking around about how you've pissed people off during the CityHunter stream on Sunday was extremely rude. Making comments such as, "If you don't like it, don't watch my stream" and "I get more viewers than any other SEA caster so obviously it's fine" are ridiculous. People tune in to the stream because of the games being played. You're a gateway to content that people want access to. To be honest, you'd probably get MORE viewers if you simply broadcasted the games in complete silence.

So here are my suggestions:

• Stop pissing people off.
• Stop blatantly favouring Xeria players. It's fine to cheer for them, but when you insult their opponents or undermine their victories, it rubs people the wrong way. (ie. You almost always justify a Xeria player losing by talking about how his opponent won with a cheesy all-in.)
• Listen to criticism. Telling people "I disagree" or simply disengaging just makes people angrier.
• Can you please stop swearing on stream? I do it when I'm streaming my ladder games, but I sure as hell don't do it when I'm commentating someone else's event. I don't even think you realise you're doing it. It's not very "profesioanl."
• Show some respect to other casters. I don't know where this big head of yours came from, but it's grown to unjustified proportions.
• Remember one very important thing. People tune in to your stream because of the people who are playing. People love watching players like MaFia, iaguz, Rossi, PiG, GLaDe, etc, etc, etc. THOSE players are the reason you have viewers and followers. You OWE them.
• A bit of commentary feedback. You actually say, "IS IT GONNA BE ENOUGH I DON'T KNOW" during almost every single engagement. It seems to be a subconscious reflex. It's especially awkward when your co-caster is actually trying to respond to the question and you talk right over the top of them.
• Please show respect to your co-casters. Give them time to speak, and I know it's said in jest, but you've made quite a few sexist remarks towards Zepph and deleting her twitter plug from your stream chat whilst telling viewers, "Don't follow her, follow me instead" is a real jerk thing to do.
• I'd really like to see you help build the community. Because from our private discussions, you've told me you're not interested in helping to build anything but your own profile & revenue. This community isn't here to make you money. We're here because we all love eSports and we want to see it grow. Please don't take advantage of that.
• Unrelated, but... I'd really love to hear what you were planning on saying about Nv during your stream on Sunday.

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[Bash]

i think there were plenty of good reasons nirv & co Decided NOT to post this on sunday, EDIT- Apparently it IS okay now, my bad


I personally cant watch his channel anymore mainly because of the reasons Dox mentioned. (As well as the ludicrous amounts of terrible jokes), which sucks because i know the dude puts in alot of work, and makes the time and effort to get to events and involve himself, so IMO the thread had to happen at some point, because if it helps him "get awesome" then its totally worth it.

Also, is it just me, or does he sound like he's flirting with that girl sometimes? idk.

In my opinion, he needs to stop being SO biased, i mean i get that he runs a team, and has a bit of himself invested into that, but as a caster he has to take a step back, sure, plug your teams sponsors on stream and stuff, thats great, but once you start discrediting other players and drawing away from the game itself you lose viewers. (and make better jokes plz )

Benji, i want to like you, and i wanna be excited when you do events, because you obviously enjoy it and put effort in, so i hope you look at this thread with an open mind.

[Flamga]

Originally Posted by Dox

• Stop blatantly favouring Xeria players. It's fine to cheer for them, but when you insult their opponents or undermine their victories, it rubs people the wrong way. (ie. You almost always justify a Xeria player losing by talking about how his opponent won with a cheesy all-in.)
• Show some respect to other casters. I don't know where this big head of yours came from, but it's grown to unjustified proportions.
• A bit of commentary feedback. You actually say, "IS IT GONNA BE ENOUGH I DON'T KNOW" during almost every single engagement. It seems to be a subconscious reflex. It's especially awkward when your co-caster is actually trying to respond to the question and you talk right over the top of them.
• Please show respect to your co-casters. Give them time to speak, and I know it's said in jest, but you've made quite a few sexist remarks towards Zepph and deleting her twitter plug from your stream chat whilst telling viewers, "Don't follow her, follow me instead" is a real jerk thing to do.
• I'd really like to see you help build the community. Because from our private discussions, you've told me you're not interested in helping to build anything but your own profile & revenue. This community isn't here to make you money. We're here because we all love eSports and we want to see it grow. Please don't take advantage of that.

Will be honest, these are the reasons I dont tune in anymore, and why I had to stop watching sunday.

[Maynarde]

Yes to re-state (it's already said by Dox) so that no one flames ChadMann.

This was authorized by nirvAnA and Benji himself.

Thread title changed, probably a bit late but only just logged on T_T

[NOM]

Good casters should be objective towards casting against other teams. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to support your team mates but it's inappropriate to show that kind of support in that way that is biased and continually offensive towards others.

Although I don't really get involved in e-sports that much, I know from experience of getting insulted by other team leaders/coaches, and unfortunately it will happen in just about every sport, not just e-sports.

It just makes you feel like crap after matches and losses your motivation to play at your best & having fun, regardless of winning or losing.

[iMSystem]

What happened to the SEA Weekly. I enjoyed those

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[Trusty]

When I find out the casters don't 'meet my standards' in terms of knowledge, I usually just mute the stream.

To be fair I haven't watched many of Benji's stuff, I usually only tune if I see it featured on TL, and it's involving a team I want to watch. The few times I have watched, I have been slightly annoyed at the commentary, but nothing overwhelming. Usually the game at hand keeps me tuned in.

I even get sick of tasteless - but I understand why he's there (to help beginners enjoy the stream).

Edit: I hope Benji can take on-board some of the points in this thread, if they are all indeed valid. It's nice seeing SEA on TL

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by Maynarde

Yes to re-state (it's already said by Dox) so that no one flames ChadMann.

This was authorized by nirvAnA and Benji himself.

Thread title changed, probably a bit late but only just logged on T_T

Previously benji told everyone in the chat box rant sessions to contact him personally. If people aren't clear about benji being okay with it, calling him proud and arrogant then expecting him to take well to this stuff in public is silly.

My own 2c. I agree with a lot of the criticisms here. Personally the people I've enjoyed listening to cast are people like PiG, HuT or tgun. They give some great insights into the games that are occuring. There's a reason I still watch GSL over SEA tournaments, despite knowing many of the players, and it's because Tastosis are really good.

My preferred casters tend to be high level players who can analyse games well. I ******* love hearing artosis get all giddy when he sees MMA pull 3 scvs to hide in the corner when his rax is in his natural to try and fake proxy 11/11 rax.

The arrogance/bias thing is something benji is working on. The fact he's not a terribly high level player is something he is not (and as far as I know, does not) want to work on, so I think his "let the viewers decide" attitude is fine. Other casters should contact tournament admins and convince them they can do a better job. I think people can.

[Trusty]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

My preferred casters tend to be high level players who can analyse games well. I ******* love hearing artosis get all giddy when he sees MMA pull 3 scvs to hide in the corner when his rax is in his natural to try and fake proxy 11/11 rax.

Totally agree! Home Story Cup is always so good,... players casting

[foxmeep]

Originally Posted by simon

benjis bias and arrogance aside he isnt a good caster at all. The analytical side of his casting leaves much be desired. There is a reason why in the last year casters like apollo/bitter/rotti/day9/total biscuit are still in such high demand and the herp derp casters like jp mcknownothing and dj i only have a job in sc2 as a caster because ive been in the industry for 10 years wheat have been getting less and less time in front of the camera. THIS needs to happen in sea where the good casters get rewarded...for being good and despite all of benjis "efforts" it does not entitle him to anything. benjis practice of protectionism is another issue that people have brought up which also needs to stop. actively going out of your way to ensure you are the premier casting brand in sea by any means necessary does not sit well with many people.

also his standard response of "its the same people saying the same shit"

i think he should take a look at strafes post and all its up votes.

please tell me it was an accident that you related total biscuit to game analysis...that guy is a sardine when it comes to game knowledge.

on topic - whilst i agree that benji has areas to work on, i think it's a bit silly to presume that you can force him to change because he's the only regular caster in sea. the real answer is for more people to step up to the position.

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[Flaunt]

i remember reading that benji thinks it's better not to be gm when it comes to casting. YOU CAN'T BE SRS. please LEARN the game first benji. imo you're pretty clueless when it comes to reading into anything and you call a lot of things wrong. you'd be a great caster if you made it to gm in sea. please put some time into learning teh game ><!

[[TA]LoSt]

Originally Posted by Bash

i think there were plenty of good reasons nirv & co Decided NOT to post this on sunday, EDIT- Apparently it IS okay now, my bad

It was all nirvAnA that decided not to post it Sunday after we had a discussion in the chatbox as to how the thread would end up. I'm guessing something happened today that pushed people over the edge and decided it was necessary?

The points given so far are extremely constructive and right on the ball in terms of how he is and what needs to be changed. Eras everything you're saying now I was saying on Sunday to nirv about what this thread would do and how he would respond, now that it's out and been posted I say we just restrict this thread to feedback about his casting and not how he'll personally react or what he thinks about this thread as a whole.

I have nothing further to add, Dox and Pinder highlighted pretty much every thought I had and more regarding what could be improved.

Really wish nirvAnA posted this, he wouldn't have copped it like ChadMann did. :-(

[nGenLight]

S'all good, this title is alright. Didn't like the "help out Benji" title is all.

[Dox]

Originally Posted by [TA]LoSt

I'm guessing something happened today that pushed people over the edge and decided it was necessary?

+ [Chatbox Archive] +

<12:37 PM> xGKingBenji: im not casting this week
<12:37 PM> xGKingBenji: xg get walkover
<12:40 PM> xGKingBenji: at least the other 2 streams will get some viewers now
<12:40 PM> TAJPMoney: Do you ever wonder why everyone hates you
<12:40 PM> TAJPMoney: or do you legitimately not realize how much of an annoying arrogant asshole you are?
<12:40 PM> xGKingBenji: i get told everday by you pinder
<12:41 PM> xGKingBenji: i really don't care
<12:42 PM> xGKingBenji: if i stop getting viewers, i stop what i do
<12:42 PM> Arnor@CityHunter: part of me is curious enough to unignore Pinder to see what he just said, but probably isnt worth the time lol
<12:44 PM> xGKingBenji: im kinda over it
<12:44 PM> xGKingBenji: its just the same old thing from the same old people
<12:44 PM> VB_Potthead: Honest isn't equal to BM.
<12:45 PM> TAChadMann: Benji - no offence bro, but from recent posts, and rep comments - its not the same old people... its everyone.
<12:46 PM> xGKingBenji: i disagree chadman
<12:46 PM> TAChadMann: Your being arrogant and your casting isn't improving, I think you need to either man up and start gathering constructive criticism and listen to it.
<12:47 PM> TAChadMann: or trash talk everyone - until the SEA community doesn't want you near their events anymore.. your call Benji - I think the effort you put in dictates that you care... so maybe it would be a good idea to listen to the criticism.
<12:48 PM> xGKingBenji: how would you know if im improving or not?
<12:48 PM> TAEdarus: My name's Benji and I had nothing else to say, so i tried to be clever!
<12:49 PM> TAChadMann: I watch them often Benji.. and hear about the trash that you say about other teams and other events on your stream.
<12:49 PM> simon: naturally you would disagree benji
<12:49 PM> simon: but that post by strafe proves that chadman is on to somthing
<12:49 PM> TAJPMoney: @Erasmus, I dont really care about his casting ability
<12:49 PM> TAJPMoney: tho I dont think its fantastic i dont care
<12:50 PM> TAJPMoney: its the fact he's more arrogant than all the top players in SEA that pisses me off
<12:50 PM> System: Benji, to be far, the only reason why you get more viewers than every other caster here is because you cast all of the TL featured events. I can hold 50 viewers for GPD and BSG, events that are not Featured on TL...
<12:50 PM> xGKingBenji: i pull 100+ system
<12:50 PM> xGKingBenji: ive also cast events at the same time as similar events that are also featured on tl, and i double their viewers
<12:53 PM> Dox: jesus christ get over yourself benji, the players pull viewers, not you
<12:53 PM> Dox: this arrogant bullshit has to ******* stop, it's getting ridiculous
<12:54 PM> simon: people tell him why they dislike him. then he goes on to show the exact arrogance that hes just been told why people hate him to try and prove the haters wrong

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[nGenLight]

Oh dear.

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[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by Dox

+ [Chatbox Archive] +

<12:37 PM> xGKingBenji: im not casting this week
<12:37 PM> xGKingBenji: xg get walkover
<12:40 PM> xGKingBenji: at least the other 2 streams will get some viewers now
<12:40 PM> TAJPMoney: Do you ever wonder why everyone hates you
<12:40 PM> TAJPMoney: or do you legitimately not realize how much of an annoying arrogant asshole you are?
<12:40 PM> xGKingBenji: i get told everday by you pinder
<12:41 PM> xGKingBenji: i really don't care
<12:42 PM> xGKingBenji: if i stop getting viewers, i stop what i do
<12:42 PM> Arnor@CityHunter: part of me is curious enough to unignore Pinder to see what he just said, but probably isnt worth the time lol
<12:44 PM> xGKingBenji: im kinda over it
<12:44 PM> xGKingBenji: its just the same old thing from the same old people
<12:44 PM> VB_Potthead: Honest isn't equal to BM.
<12:45 PM> TAChadMann: Benji - no offence bro, but from recent posts, and rep comments - its not the same old people... its everyone.
<12:46 PM> xGKingBenji: i disagree chadman
<12:46 PM> TAChadMann: Your being arrogant and your casting isn't improving, I think you need to either man up and start gathering constructive criticism and listen to it.
<12:47 PM> TAChadMann: or trash talk everyone - until the SEA community doesn't want you near their events anymore.. your call Benji - I think the effort you put in dictates that you care... so maybe it would be a good idea to listen to the criticism.
<12:48 PM> xGKingBenji: how would you know if im improving or not?
<12:48 PM> TAEdarus: My name's Benji and I had nothing else to say, so i tried to be clever!
<12:49 PM> TAChadMann: I watch them often Benji.. and hear about the trash that you say about other teams and other events on your stream.
<12:49 PM> simon: naturally you would disagree benji
<12:49 PM> simon: but that post by strafe proves that chadman is on to somthing
<12:49 PM> TAJPMoney: @Erasmus, I dont really care about his casting ability
<12:49 PM> TAJPMoney: tho I dont think its fantastic i dont care
<12:50 PM> TAJPMoney: its the fact he's more arrogant than all the top players in SEA that pisses me off
<12:50 PM> System: Benji, to be far, the only reason why you get more viewers than every other caster here is because you cast all of the TL featured events. I can hold 50 viewers for GPD and BSG, events that are not Featured on TL...
<12:50 PM> xGKingBenji: i pull 100+ system
<12:50 PM> xGKingBenji: ive also cast events at the same time as similar events that are also featured on tl, and i double their viewers
<12:53 PM> Dox: jesus christ get over yourself benji, the players pull viewers, not you
<12:53 PM> Dox: this arrogant bullshit has to ******* stop, it's getting ridiculous
<12:54 PM> simon: people tell him why they dislike him. then he goes on to show the exact arrogance that hes just been told why people hate him to try and prove the haters wrong

Dox as much as I dont want to get involved I need to address something here

your exclusion of something Benji said after this line
"Today 12:40 PM: xGKingBenji: at least the other 2 streams will get some viewers now"
he followed it up with this
"Today 12:40 PM: xGKingBenji: :P"

I would ask why you decided to excluded that line (perhaps it was unintentional?) but I dont want to derail the thread

just take more care when you decide to quote something in the future ^_^

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[inFeZa]

Just tell the game like it is.

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[FaDeBadger]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

Dox as much as I dont want to get involved I need to address something here

your exclusion of something Benji said after this line
"Today 12:40 PM: xGKingBenji: at least the other 2 streams will get some viewers now"
he followed it up with this
"Today 12:40 PM: xGKingBenji: :P"

I would ask why you decided to excluded that line (perhaps it was unintentional?) but I dont want to derail the thread

just take more care when you decide to quote something in the future ^_^

He edited out a whole bunch of unrelated stuff too. I daresay it just got caught in the rest.

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