[Frogmite]

I updated the post with the matchups i get so far. I am still pending for inFi and Herocraft rosters.

[sooie]

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[wTlzq]

edit: nvm Froggy noticed the error already :/

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by lzq

SQLSensei from TA is zerg? ( IF i remb correctly hes toss)

He's the race i tell him to be!
Jokes apart he's and i corrected the OP thanks

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today MiTH can play at 7pm SGT ... pls

[JaFF]

Eve vs SPR 2-4

EveWest 1 - 2 SungInSPR
EveStrafe 2 - 0 MasterSPR
EveYekke 2 - 0 iStSPR
EveMaltiso 0 - 2 BalloonSPR
EveVendetta 1 - 2 ryoomakSPR *EveVendetta was subbed in instead of EveTechtron

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	wolf:	geegee SPR good fight !
	ToR.Arnor:	watched the final set, Balloon so Gosu ^_^
	Xenomorph:	ty for posting results :)

[aLtMrFool]

Don't mean to revive a flame that is a little simmered but here's what I think about the event.

People are trying to fight for 'fairness' because most people thought that there's an unwritten rule that you should try to be as accomodating to any rescheduling of games in SEAL because as we all know, only a small number of people in the SEA scene are NOT full-time gamers and play at our own leisure time.

In most other tournaments, yes- if you do not appear on the svheduled time, consider it your loss. But I'm sure in these tournaments, their invited teams are mostly pro-gamers who play the game full-time! And all of them playing this game full-time, having prepared for their matches and putting in a lot of effort into smashing faces get no-showed, they'll probably feel like they deserve a walk-over for wasted effort.

Now, to our SEA scene, am I right to say that the only team that has a roster that plays starcraft 2 full-time is xGking? Benji is definitely not wrong if he feels that all his players have put in a lot of effort for the games against infi expecting tough matches only to get no-showed and now they have to prepare against 2 teams in the next week, probably decreasing their chance of winning both sets.

However, infi, as well as many other teams in SEAL, are not full-time gamers. At best, only a fraction of their roster plays full-time and whilst they may include really good players, they don't play all the time. Take for example iceiceice. His schedule is roughly that's of 2days 24 hours work( he can't play during this time even if he wanted to, bound by the SAF) and next 2 days available to play. That is his national service obligation and no one can fault him for that and that he can't show up every tuesday. I only cite this example because so far, people have been quite understanding to allow all the rescheduling to take place. Of course, benji (manages a full-time gaming team) and not being from a country with compulsory national service will not be able to relate to something like that. No fault in that, and I'm sure most of you will agree esp if you don't come from a country like that. Or, assume you're trying to work and you assume your client wants to work with you too (thinking he works full time as well) but he doesn't show up. You'd be slightly pissed too.

Now, there's two problems.

One- infi needs a rescheduling because they can't make the timing and they're unhappy that people are not accomodating to their requests when they've only agreed to play if they get to play at times they can. They're unhappy because they feel xGking's people should understand the tightness of their schedule.

Two( I'm gonna assume that benji made the decision he made alone without consulting his players here from what I've heard/know about benji. Correct me if I'm wrong here.) - Benji, understandably, not being able to relate to infi's need and requests and ( definitely even more understandably ) thinking about his players having to prepare a shit-ton more for 2 sets of games, feels pressured to win ( being the premiere team in SEA who play full-time ), made the decision of having the walkover.

Both teams have their share of the story and now here's what I feel could make things better.

1- Targa should apologise for lashing out. I'm quite positive that he made that post because of prior misunderstandings / misconceptions / what he thinks about benji that made him awfully angry with a decision of walkover that if put into benji's shoes, is understandable.

2- Benji, being a manager of players, should consult the 5 players of the day as to whether they're ok with rescheduling of these matches knowing that they have more matches to come in the coming week. If you're thinking for their sake, why not ask them how they feel? If they say its fine, we understand that the opponent team is busy and have their problems of fielding a team / can understand that such things do happen when one team has a roster playing full-time while the other don't, why not do a rescheduling if your players truly want to play and duke it out with another top team in SEA? If, however, the players feel that they have other commitments like a busy tournament schedule in the near future and feel that they cannot lose those tournaments because infi wants to re-schedule and are genuine about it. Walkover SHOULD be awarded.

Of course, those are just my views and I do share the same sentiments with most people here that there should be a rescheduling for the matches done if possible - not walkover as it is the easier way to overcome this problem. The rules are there for a reason and I'm sure the admins will want all problems to be solved in a more amicable and most friendly/honourable manner and only enforce the rules when things get truly out of hand. As it is now, before the problem escalates more, maybe xGking and infi can come to a more common understanding and hope to solve the issue together instead of metting out a decision that may upset the community as a whole. Whilst most people may lash out at benji, I must say you have to put yourself in his shoes that he is managing a full-time pro-team and has his own considerations that may differ from most of us players who are insanely casual in comparison to light/mafia etc. Though, I do not agree with benji's decision and felt that he has failed to take into account infi's side of the story. You might've taken it the wrong way because considering that you know that you have made some snide comments/ unnecessary comments /hurtful remarks over the course of your casting and offended some people during your course of dealing with them, people are more prone to phrase their words in a way that may seem unwittingly hateful and not having put themselves in your shoes. But believe me, they're just trying to let this saga have a better conclusion for the better of everyone. I urge you, in this case, to try to also put yourself in the shoes of people like ice/roz ( and for them and the rest to do the same of putting themselves in your shoes ) and consider what you will want you to have done if you have obligations like compulsory national service. Also, ask your players for opinions and not make your decisions all alone, you might get some better insights.

With that, I end it here. And I hope I do not derail this thread and turn it into a flamefest. I'm just trying my best to sum up the story and show both sides of the story hoping for a better ending than what is happening now. And also, what I've written is simply my perception and if there's any glaring mistakes, please do correct and ill fix it up.

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TAEdgE:

[ROOTPetraeus]

Originally Posted by lzq

SQLSensei from TA is zerg? ( IF i remb correctly hes toss)

Yeah he's alright.

[TACeeSerps]

Hey Froggy,
With xGKing v inFi being a walkover, is the final result 4-0 (as shown in OP), or 3-0 or 5-0 (as in the rules). The rules are a little vague when it comes to this, and the result shown in the OP makes it more confusing.

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by TheCSerps

Hey Froggy,
With xGKing v inFi being a walkover, is the final result 4-0 (as shown in OP), or 3-0 or 5-0 (as in the rules). The rules are a little vague when it comes to this, and the result shown in the OP makes it more confusing.

When i wrote the rules there were no "ace match worth 2 points" thing yet so i thought games were supposed to be on 5 points (hence the 3-0 win). As now games are on 6 points, the walkover will result on a 4-0 win. The forfeiting team will be awarded a 0-6 loss. This rule had been put there so a victory by all-kill worth more than a victory by forfeit. I see already comments on the fact that teams can decide to forfeit to penalize the other team (4-0 instead of possible 6-0) but i hope nobody will do that. I will update the OP now

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

HUH why is infi being walked over?

They can't play this week and the opponent disagree with re-scheduling to next week, decision that i understand. They told me they'll forfeit if they can't postpone the 5 games to next week.

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TACeeSerps:

Thanks for the clarification! Will update on Liquipedia now :)

[nGenLight]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

As now games are on 6 points, the walkover will result on a 4-0 win. The forfeiting team will be awarded a 0-6 loss. This rule had been put there so a victory by all-kill worth more than a victory by forfeit.

I don't see why the point of this, doesn't it just opens the possibility to abuse?

[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by xGKingLight

I don't see why the point of this, doesn't it just opens the possibility to abuse?

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

[iM MaFia]

Originally Posted by Frogmite

Yes it opens the possibility to abuse the system. I just think/hope nobody will try to abuse.

If you don't like this rule we'll remove it for next season

but why not just have it as 6-0 instead of 4-0 so theres no possibility at all?

[syfChadMann]

Problem is.. if/when xG need a reschedule - teams won't accept it because of this precedent that xG have set. Better hope your team can make all their games....

[NvJazBas]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Problem is.. if/when xG need a reschedule - teams won't accept it because of this precedent that xG have set. Better hope your team can make all their games....

I think you and someothers are not getting the reason of Benji's rejection.

As Light said, inFi already had some matches that are delayed way too much (not trying to blame at all! just stating fact) and the reason Benji refused to reschedule is to avoid this happening.

vs SPR, we did reschedule games and few others too. We had a reasonable reason and the way you are speaking seems like coming from just hatred towards the situation. Yes it would be great if we can play the games, but there was good enough reason to refuse in Benji's pov.

ps. As I say again, I'm not trying to blame inFi at all with delaying matches.

[alwaysdryToT]

HotlipsToT 2 ：1 MiTHjump

FoJJToT 2:0 indy ( use sub for Fah)

jerryToT 2:0 Maya

cjcToT 0:2 GviewHadez

FlashToT 2:0 RedArchon
ToT 5:1Mith

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by alwaysdryToT

HotlipsToT 2 ：1 MiTHjump

FoJJToT 2:0 indy ( use sub for Fah)

jerryToT 2:0 Maya

cjcToT 0:2 GviewHadez

FlashToT 2:0 RedArchon
ToT 5:1Mith

nice work buddy!

ToT fighting!

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alwaysdryToT:

[aLtShortizz]

HUH why is infi being walked over?

[aLtShortizz]

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

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	EveYekke:	benji best caster in sea
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[Xenomorph]

Originally Posted by aLtShortizz

I really dont mind the favoritism on stream so much.

What i think is fark up is that Benji chose to take the walk over in this todays match against inFi. If what i heard was correct, inFi asked for a reschedule and benji rejected it. I suspect the reason for it is because of targa's epic humour post somewhr im not gonna link you.

I dont see why a reschedule is not possible since the xGKing guys play almost every night anyways. Some of them didnt even know they are not playing today and getting the walk over iirc. So yeah, dont be bitch. Not only is it unfair to the inFi guys, its unfair to ppl like me who are looking forward to the games. Also, do u want this to set a precedent where teams will reject reschedules hoping to get a walk over?

I hope you saw my post earlier with the Soulman story, so very similar =_=