[Baldie]

Originally Posted by Dox

2) Swiss Style There's not much for me to say here. It's a cool system, it gives everyone value for money no matter what league they're in, and it's a more stable, rewarding experience. However, we've seen people get screwed by it a few times too - and this may only be due to the way Challonge manages matchmaking. We've seen two people advance to a round with 4-0, and for some reason they don't get matched. Instead, it matches one guy with a 3-1, and the other with a 2-2. So - do we ditch the Swiss system entirely? Or would you prefer we run it manually to ensure fair and correct match making?

Having experience with running a 7 week Swiss Bracket system with SASL Season 3 - the major drawback is how the system has potential to be abused. For example when the first round is complete, the entire pool is split in half - those who have won a game and those who have lost a game. For round 2 the system logically will match winners vs winners and losers vs losers. Someone could purposely lose/tank their first game or so and be placed in the bottom 50% - then achieve easier wins until the system catches back up pending how many times it occurs. The amount of skew will obviously depend on how many games are played and the feasibility of someone doing this is also dependent on total games.

Although this didn't occur with our SASL Season, we saw it as having potential to occur. A manual match making system would ensure no 3-1 2-2 matchings but could not avoid human manipulation. Other than that it is a cool system indeed.

[|Erasmus|]

Originally Posted by ToRBaldie

Having experience with running a 7 week Swiss Bracket system with SASL Season 3 - the major drawback is how the system has potential to be abused. For example when the first round is complete, the entire pool is split in half - those who have won a game and those who have lost a game. For round 2 the system logically will match winners vs winners and losers vs losers. Someone could purposely lose/tank their first game or so and be placed in the bottom 50% - then achieve easier wins until the system catches back up pending how many times it occurs. The amount of skew will obviously depend on how many games are played and the feasibility of someone doing this is also dependent on total games.

Although this didn't occur with our SASL Season, we saw it as having potential to occur. A manual match making system would ensure no 3-1 2-2 matchings but could not avoid human manipulation. Other than that it is a cool system indeed.

In addition to Dox's comment, this also affects your tiebreaker quite badly cause if you finished tied with someone who won a few rounds against good opponents (rather than people who lost first round) you could miss out. Losing games early really hurts your ability to place high in a swiss bracket.