[crAzerk]

Updated OP with Melo and Livewire

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Nemo:

Thanks

[SmirkToT]

http://drop.sc/170675

this guy 'eveni'

i found him overact a bit more.

anyone played against him?

[Lucien]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38148150/201...T%29.SC2Replay

I want to report someone called ThorPC...

I watched the replay from his POV and he never specifically glanced AT my army in the fog of war... But he pulls off a proxy thor rush (badly) on TDA with no scouting whatsoever (sends his scv at 2:30 or 2:40 down to make the fac), then later when i counter, he pulls back his marines and cancels his bunker/expo at his nat without seeing anything (10:45).

[iVnschmuttt]

Originally Posted by Lucien

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38148150/201...T%29.SC2Replay

I want to report someone called ThorPC...

I watched the replay from his POV and he never specifically glanced AT my army in the fog of war... But he pulls off a proxy thor rush (badly) on TDA with no scouting whatsoever (sends his scv at 2:30 or 2:40 down to make the fac), then later when i counter, he pulls back his marines and cancels his bunker/expo at his nat without seeing anything (10:45).

I played this guy the other day and after you posted this I decided to go watch the rep. It was on shakuras, there were some things that COULD have been seen as map hacking (He scouted my base first and ebay blocked my 15 hatch, made super fast tanks with siege when I made a few roaches to push hellions back, queued up a medivac to drop my 4th when he had NO idea it was there) but none of it was really 'definitive'. If I play him again I'll have another look at the game.

[Nemo]

Schmuttt, post your game please.

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by Lucien

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38148150/201...T%29.SC2Replay

I want to report someone called ThorPC...

I watched the replay from his POV and he never specifically glanced AT my army in the fog of war... But he pulls off a proxy thor rush (badly) on TDA with no scouting whatsoever (sends his scv at 2:30 or 2:40 down to make the fac), then later when i counter, he pulls back his marines and cancels his bunker/expo at his nat without seeing anything (10:45).

Originally Posted by schmuttt

I played this guy the other day and after you posted this I decided to go watch the rep. It was on shakuras, there were some things that COULD have been seen as map hacking (He scouted my base first and ebay blocked my 15 hatch, made super fast tanks with siege when I made a few roaches to push hellions back, queued up a medivac to drop my 4th when he had NO idea it was there) but none of it was really 'definitive'. If I play him again I'll have another look at the game.

just saying a proxy thor rush is cheese and doesn't matter what you scout also engy block is annoying but effective but takes away from there build. The drop on the fourth doesn't mean anything either as you start to remember that for every base you take zerg should take another so that could be a read like that i do that myself for 4ths.

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Snx.Mufasa:

just watch the replay first >_>

[SalesKing]

does SEA only consist of cheaters and maphackers?

read about ThorPC, watched the replay where i pwned him despite his now apparent maphacking (rallying blindly into my base on antiga without scouting et al)

also he renamed himself and appears to be called "iEgg" now.

It is funny because these guys are such terrible players, only their MMR gets artifically increased to be able to face me. Terrible macro and no micro.

Quick Comments

	wTlzq:	chill
	x5.NotoriouS:	i faced this same guy and he played very suspiciously.. will post my replay too.

[Nemo]

SalesKing, post your replay with him. You cannot post accusations against someone in here without posting replays.

Stallion, if you want to comment, please watch the replay and say what you see in it. Theory-crafting on Map Hacking investigation is more or less useless.

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ToRdizz:

[x5.NotoriouS]

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

Quick Comments

	x5.Phoenix:	Seems pretty conclusive man bad luck :(
	FSGauL:	hackers :( ughh

[Snx.Mufasa]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

sigh... wallace is apart of invision so we'll try help out as much as possible.

in saying that though i watched the replay and besides hard countering your build it doesn't really look like he was hacking.

a toss will probs have to tell me about the viability of going double gate that's not proxied but i know of players that do it.

[Snx.FigJig]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

Don't think he was hacking, he never looked into the fog of war where your gates were. Also to hard counter a proxy 2 gate from what I've heard, the defending Protoss usually gets 3 gates, not 2. Was odd but not conclusive enough to say he was hacking imo.

Also I think SEA has gone a bit crazy with accusing people of map hacking lately. There seems to be like 2 or more new 'hackers' a day. I think people are just getting upset at losing, then they come here and say they're hacking to punish them for winning. Just my 2 cents.

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by iVnMufasa

sigh... wallace is apart of invision so we'll try help out as much as possible.

in saying that though i watched the replay and besides hard countering your build it doesn't really look like he was hacking.

a toss will probs have to tell me about the viability of going double gate that's not proxied but i know of players that do it.

its not viable to go double gate not proxied~ i just wonder why all of a sudden he cancels his probe and builds a second gate without seeing anyhting.

Quick Comments

	Snx.Mufasa:	dw... we'll talk to wallace tomorrow and get it sorted : )
	cruxSpoon:	probably cause he messed up his build order, or decided to go 2 gate and built one prob too many

[Nemo]

That people post replays when they have legitimate doubt is a very good thing. We want a server free of hackers and what they do is good because none want to be on the hacker list.

Originally Posted by nRvPickleWeasel

Also I think SEA has gone a bit crazy with accusing people of map hacking lately. There seems to be like 2 or more new 'hackers' a day. I think people are just getting upset at losing, then they come here and say they're hacking to punish them for winning. Just my 2 cents.

There has been 1 hacker identified in April and a confirmed one. 2 hackers a day and Spoon is a sore looser ?

Or do you imply that the guys that have been put on the list in the OP were not hackers ? If so, can you back your words with some solid arguments based on a close analysis of their replays ?

[IrisFlaunt]

Eveni is a maphacker! This is ridiculous !!!

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by PhoenixToT

http://drop.sc/170675

this guy 'eveni'

i found him overact a bit more.

anyone played against him?

Video
http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/317025160

Replay analysis

• Before 6 : Chasing SCV a bit too much preciselly. A very bit suspect.
• 6:20 : Watching enemy natural entrance in fog of war, where there is a bunker and depots. Maybe trying to see how many bunkers there were.. Suspect
• 8:29 trying to poke opponent natural with 2 stalkers. Standard scouting.
• No obs as first unit od Robo without any vision of the map
• 10:20 : Going to intercept a drop just before it arrives with Stalkers with no vision: Signature of Map Hacker
• 12:39 : Again, before having any vision of opponent drop, stalkers go right away at their landing destination at the exact timing. Map Hack second proof.
• 13:58 : Puting stalkers at the corner where a "Invisible" Medivac is hiding behind the base.
• 14:35 : Gathering his army when opponent goes out of his base with 0 map control and no vision : Signature of Map Hacker, proof N°3
• 20:25 : Another ridiculous drop interception of 3 invisible medivac in his 4rth at the other side of the Map. Sending all his army because he "knows" from Map Hack minimap there is a lot of stuff coming. Proof N°4. (Shakuras) Most ridiculous move of the game by far.
• Absolutly no map control whatsoever after first push, no obs made.

Conclusion
Absolutely blatant and disgusting Map Hacker. He should be put immediately on the hacker list.

PhoenixToT, as said a few post ahead, you're a sore looser not admitting you're opponent is the best ... Oh, wait you won the game and crushed the MapHacker. Well props to you, boss.

Edit: Flaunt message just ahead was made while watching the replay analysis I was doing of the game and especially from the 20:25 drop intercepton.

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SmirkToT:

ty nemo

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by Lucien

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38148150/201...T%29.SC2Replay

I want to report someone called ThorPC...

I watched the replay from his POV and he never specifically glanced AT my army in the fog of war... But he pulls off a proxy thor rush (badly) on TDA with no scouting whatsoever (sends his scv at 2:30 or 2:40 down to make the fac), then later when i counter, he pulls back his marines and cancels his bunker/expo at his nat without seeing anything (10:45).

Video
http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/317028001

Replay analysis

• 2:30 : Blindly send a SCV to make a proxy factory near opponent base without knowing where it is (TalDarim Altar, real 4 player map)
• 3:00 : Glancing in fog of war in opponent base. It's begining very badly ....
• 10:50 : Backing his marines and canceling his expo right at the time opponent army arrives at his natural but still out of vision. Another evidence of Map Hack.

Conclusion
At 99% it's a Map Hack because each of those could be luck or coincidence but the 3 of them in such a short game makes this really unlikely.

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

Video
http://www.twitch.tv/nemoulysses/b/317029097

Replay Analysis
Blind 2 gates in his own base without seeing anything on the map and enemy base. It's very suspicious because as Notorious says, that's not a usual build in PvP if not proxyed. At the contrary, it's the perfect counter to the unscouted proxy 2 gates Notorious was doing.

Conclusion
It's not enough conclusive for such a serious decision to put him on suspected list yet on one game but please send other replays, I'm pretty sure if he's a hacker we could see it on longer games.

[Odds]

Originally Posted by pRoNotoriouS

I have a replay vs a suspected hacker.

Notice that he doesnt see my proxy 2 gate or make it to my base, he just drops down an extra gate.. so i thought maybe it was my scout timing~ it seemed normal though..

so anyway thoughts? http://drop.sc/171112

the guy's name is Wallace and I don't know if he has an account here.

Thanks.

When his scouting probe left his base he saw your probe coming in from an abnormal angle. There is no reason for your probe to take that scouting path unless you're up to something strange, in response to this he threw down the second gate.

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ThatGuyDoMo:

the logix

[Snx.Mufasa]

ill admit its kinda hard to pick the probe up because its for like a split second... but yeah as odds said there's no reason for a probe to be there at that time and that position unless its a proxy.

i think pickle has a point as well... as i said i know it was pretty hard to see in the replay... but overall it feels like players are getting caught up in trying to find/catch said players instead of trying to prove that they're not.

[x5.NotoriouS]

Originally Posted by Odds

When his scouting probe left his base he saw your probe coming in from an abnormal angle. There is no reason for your probe to take that scouting path unless you're up to something strange, in response to this he threw down the second gate.

ROFL . he doesnt even look at the probe, look from his player camera. He doesnt look at the probe at all until it reaches his gateway.

Also, if he believed it was a weird angle he would have moved his probe in that direction to confirm it.