[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by TheGentleman

It is, and it costs a lot more. This is not a bad thing but you should settle on a budget especially if you intend to consult multiple people. A system which is tailored to your needs will cost a lot less than one which is designed to be more than you'll ever need. The people who are helping you need to know exactly how much it is you're willing to spend.

Sorry, but thought I'd point out..... If he takes my advice on the M'board and GFX card, he knocks off $125.00. Taking into consideration he didn't included the monitor in his OP this new build is actually cheaper then the one provided in the OP and much faster.

Just goes to show you are ALWAYS better off building your own system then purchasing a pre-built system.

Also, I've just learned the OCZ SSD's seem to have a fair few problems when when installing an OS onto it. From the reviews I'm told they result in corrupted data and BSOD's. Not sure if they have an updated firmware release to address this, but I've now changed my OCZ SSD to a Corsair. Can't be bothered with those kinds of hassles when building a new system, nothing more frustrating......

[TheGentleman]

Originally Posted by Bloodmyst

Sorry, but thought I'd point out..... If he takes my advice on the M'board and GFX card, he knocks off $125.00. Taking into consideration he didn't included the monitor in his OP this new build is actually cheaper then the one provided in the OP and much faster.

Just goes to show you are ALWAYS better off building your own system then purchasing a pre-built system.

Also, I've just learned the OCZ SSD's seem to have a fair few problems when when installing an OS onto it. From the reviews I'm told they result in corrupted data and BSOD's. Not sure if they have an updated firmware release to address this, but I've now changed my OCZ SSD to a Corsair. Can't be bothered with those kinds of hassles when building a new system, nothing more frustrating......

Please note that I have only stated facts. I have not suggested he doesn't take your advice I've merely suggested he sets a budget.

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Bloodmyst:

Oops, sorry man.. didn't mean to come across that way. But yes you are right.

[FaDeHellfyre]

Originally Posted by Bloodmyst

Sorry, but thought I'd point out..... If he takes my advice on the M'board and GFX card, he knocks off $125.00. Taking into consideration he didn't included the monitor in his OP this new build is actually cheaper then the one provided in the OP and much faster.

Just goes to show you are ALWAYS better off building your own system then purchasing a pre-built system.

Also, I've just learned the OCZ SSD's seem to have a fair few problems when when installing an OS onto it. From the reviews I'm told they result in corrupted data and BSOD's. Not sure if they have an updated firmware release to address this, but I've now changed my OCZ SSD to a Corsair. Can't be bothered with those kinds of hassles when building a new system, nothing more frustrating......

It also shows that coming to us in the forum is the best way to get computer advice.

*puffsup*

yea... we're pretty awesome

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	TheGentleman:	We are pretty awesome!
	Bloodmyst:	2shae!

[|Erasmus|]

my advice would be to get a good power supply. It is the one part where, when it fails, it could well destroy everything... It is the absolute last place to try saving money.

That and the advice to get a slower graphics card because you can always get a second later I also think is extremely iffy. Dual GPU setups need to consider heat dissipation and power. I don't think a 650W coolermaster is the best thing to run two 7850s on (maybe if it was a gold+ rated 650W antec or seasonic unit... but no PSU really wants to be running at too close to it's stated capacity if you want it to last well). And an antec 300 is not really the ideal case for multiple graphics cards either. It is decently ventilated, but dual GPUs is very difficult to cool, and will increase ambient temps by a lot. Your computer will need multiple case fans, and your CPU/GPU coolers will be running full tilt much of the time, so it will sound like a jet on takeoff.

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FaDeHellfyre:

But I like my computers to sound like jets :P

[FaDeHellfyre]

Most graphics cards now come with more than decent cooling units on them. Maybe fork out an extra $50 on fans and stuff if you're really worried, but my computer runs dual GFX cards, and i'm using the stock fans. Temperature, in the dead middle of summer is still only 40-50 degrees. Sometimes cooler than it is outside... Just make sure you set up the fans correctly. I have a friend who set up his so his fans were accidentally keeping the hot air in the case and it was turning his house into a sauna and frying his parts.

As for the power supply, indeed you don't want to get a cheap one, but you don't need to oversupply on power. If you upgrade your computer in 12-18 months time, then more than likely you'll get a new power supply anyway. If it's rated at 750W, then it can take 750W consistently. If you only need 600W... only get 600W. They don't use their maximum Wattage all the time, power supplies draw power out of the socket on demand only. power supplies can cause massive problems if you're not careful when choosing one, but you only need a reliable one that will do the job, not one that's too powerful.

[Bloodmyst]

Originally Posted by |Erasmus|

my advice would be to get a good power supply. It is the one part where, when it fails, it could well destroy everything... It is the absolute last place to try saving money.

That and the advice to get a slower graphics card because you can always get a second later I also think is extremely iffy. Dual GPU setups need to consider heat dissipation and power. I don't think a 650W coolermaster is the best thing to run two 7850s on (maybe if it was a gold+ rated 650W antec or seasonic unit... but no PSU really wants to be running at too close to it's stated capacity if you want it to last well). And an antec 300 is not really the ideal case for multiple graphics cards either. It is decently ventilated, but dual GPUs is very difficult to cool, and will increase ambient temps by a lot. Your computer will need multiple case fans, and your CPU/GPU coolers will be running full tilt much of the time, so it will sound like a jet on takeoff.

I agree with this 110%. If you do decide to change the M'board to the Extreme 4 and the GFX card to a 7850. With extra the $125.00 you now have, forget the CPU upgrade.... get a better case and powersupply with it. Plus, that Ivy bridge you already have is already plenty for what you want to do.

[Mayo]

Needs 100% more eSports.

GIGABYTE Motherboard (Sponsors PiG) or ASRock Motherboard (Sponsors White-Ra)
Thermaltake Case/PSU (Sposnors Lots of SC2 here, PiG, MKP, White-Ra etc)
Kingston Ram (Sponsors xGKing)
Western Digital Data Drives (Sponsored huge SC2 comps with CyberGamer)

Support the companies that support you otherwise, what's the point?

RE: The PSU Wattage. IBISQ Have now got 48 Tt Commander MS-I cases with 500W OEM PSU's in them. They are running a 1tb SATA drive, 560 Graphics cards, 4gb ram and dual core CPU's (I'm guessing i3) with no issues.

What I would suggest as a nice budget gaming rig with a higher grade PSU:

i5 2500k (Or Ivy bridge?)
4gb Kingston DDR3 RAM
ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 Motherboard (Or Ivy bridge compatible?)
Tt Commander MS-II case (no PSU)
Tt TR2 Bronze 600w PSU
Kingston HyperX 120gb SSD (C Drive)
1tb (or more) Western Digital Sata 3 HDD (Sata)
GIGABYTE GTX 560

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sRDreaM:

MS-II is a bloody sexy case

[Bloodmyst]

OK, completely disregard all those posts where I was harping on Ivy bridge. Turns out it's like only a 5% increase from sandy-bridge..... like we are going to notice the difference! Also turns out, when overlocking the CPU's, sandy bridge is much more stable when overclocking. The Ivy bridge is already going under the nick name of "Inferno-Bridge."

Considering the Ivy bridge is only an incremental update from Sandy Bridge, it's nothing revolutionary. Your best bet is to just stay with Sandy Bridge and get excited for the Haswell CPU release next year.

TLDR; To explain the problem to those who aren't exactly tech savvy. The Ivy Bridge CPU is intel breaking into "new technology" (smaller die shrink) which hasn't panned out to what they wished for. Hopefully they have this "new technology" sorted by the time Haswell arrives.

@OP since the new Haswell CPU's aren't going to be running on the LGA1155 socket, you can probably go for a much cheaper M'board now. Considering the Z77 chipsets are really only meant for the new Ivy Bridge Processors. Not going ivy bridge = no need for an updated chipset, especially when Haswell is only 12 months away.

EDIT: To be honest, I'm quiet literally pissed off atm. I've waited a week and a half for nothing. I could have my new PC by now!

[FaDeHellfyre]

It is revolutionary, but like most revolutionary movements, the initial push isn't really going to go anywhere. In about 6 months they'll perfect it and release an Ivy Bridge chip that utilizes the new technology.

The stats (i just read somewhere, will attempt to find link), state that the Ivy Bridge chips CAN be 20% more powerful and use 20% less power than the current Sandy Bridge's. However these chips are most likely massively expensive. The big difference is that they use a different kind of physical structure, enabling them to put more threads and more power in less nM and thus continuing Moore's law (every 24 months the computer's power doubles). Expect to see Ivy Bridge becoming amazing, but as i said in about 6-12 months time.

[Junho]

Okay i think i'm going to go more for Chad's ideas.
How about this? It's compatible right? Will it burnnn? D:

CASE: COOLERMASTER ELITE 371 500W PSU - $83.16
MOBO: ASUS P8Z68-M PRO MB - $119.42
CPU: INTEL QUAD CORE I5 2500K - $213.00
RAM: KINGSTON 8GB (2X4GB) KIT HYPERX BLU - $56.50
HARDDRIVE: WESTERN DIGITAL GREEN 1TB - $96.31
DVD/CD: LG DUALLAYER DVD BURNER SATA - $24.86
GFX: SAPPHIRE ATI HD 7850 OC EDITION PCI-E - $266.26
MONITOR: SAMSUNG 24'' S24B300H LED - $186.95

TOTAL: $1046.46

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	Bloodmyst:	+1, Good build. I can't see anything here that I would change and it meets your budget.
	Mayo:	100% less eSports :(

[FaDeHellfyre]

Looks good enoguh, only thing i would change is the DVD/CD burner. You can get a blu-ray player for that price. Look for something cheaper if you're not getting blu-ray.

Other than that it's good

[Junho]

cheapest blu-ray i've found is $76 o__O watching blu-ray movies every now and then seems nice.

[FaDeHellfyre]

I saw a cheap blu-ray player on PC Case Gear for $30. Probably not a very good one, but yea

[foxmeep]

I really like the Antec 300 case. Simple design, perfect size for a budget PC. Build quality is also good, and it's cheap.

[Junho]

One more thing, do you guys know if my system will be noisy or get hot easily?

[Bloodmyst]

At stock standard speeds, the short answer is no. It "shouldn't" get hot easily and should run perfectly fine. However, I recommend you download the appropriate software to check your system temperatures just in case (it's also good just to have more knowledge about your system). You may even have software included with the motherboard so you can use to check this.

Now I've purchased that exact same graphics card which comes out of the box already overclocked. From the reviews I have read and watched, Sapphire already have the temperatures down pat with the heatsink/copper pipers and dual fan case they have slapped on. So sheeeets sweet in that department

Now as for the CPU, you do have the unlocked multiplier version. In other words, the CPU is crying out for you to overclock it! But don't do it if you don't have to. If you do wish to OC it, you will need to buy a decent CPU cooler (around $50) to keep it cool and stable whilst running at higher speeds.

If you want to go mad with overlocking, you can purchase a water cooling system. But I don't think you'll want to take things that far.

As for the noise, well if anything it'll be the HDD that'll be making some noise and your fans. If it bothers you that much though, I think theres some noise dampeners you can get for the HDD (I don't think it would really make a difference though). For the fans, you can always replace those later on with "silent fans" that are available. But you won't really know how much noise it makes until you actually have it sitting on your desk really.

[rizE]

CPU - intel i5 2500k
GFX - Gigabyte 6870 HD
RAM - 8GB Gskill ripjaws
MOBO - ASUS P8Z68 NOT -M (-M means miniature model i hope you realise)
PSU - anything over 700W
HDD - 1gb WD
Case - anything around $100 mark

this will run anything you want, cheapest build you will find, dont go overboard on crap like expensive cases, dvd blu-ray drives, overkill PSU's. i5 with that setup does not need anything else, if you know what your doing you can overclock the CPU to 4.8 with AIR COOLING, i have done this on 2 of my mates pc's.

[Junho]

My final parts for my gaming computer.

CASE: COOLERMASTER ELITE 371 500W PSU - $83.16
CPU: INTEL I5 2500K - $213.00
GFX: SAPPHIRE ATI HD 7850 OC EDITION PCI-E - $260.56
HDD: SEAGATE 3.5'' BARRACUDA 500GB ST500DM002 SATA3 7200RPM 16MB HDD - $75
MONITOR: ACER 24'' V243HLABD 5MS - $154.00
DVD/CD: LG SATA BLACK DVD RW - $19
MOBO: AUS P8Z68-M PRO MB - $109
RAM: G SKILL DDR3-1600 8GB (2X4GB) RIPJAWS - $54

TOTAL: $967.72

FUTURE UPGRADES:
SSD: INTEL SSD-330- 60GB - $94

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	Mayo:	0% eSports :(
	TCPLemminks:	@Mayo: OBJECTION!: ACER has an eSports team. TAKE THAT!

[inFeZa]

are you going to get a cpu cooler to overclock that 2500k? if ur not gonna overclock isnt the 2500 itself a bit cheaper?

[|Erasmus|]

I dislike trusting $500 worth of cpu/gpu to a $80 case/psu combo...