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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 2:48 PM BnetId: Skitz.574  Race: Location: Perth  Total Posts Made: 27 # 161
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Your doing a great job Kelly, I've never heard of another caster who is so open to criticism and improvement. Good luck with your next cast.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:01 PM BnetId: Ivan.448  Race: Location: Singapore, Singapore  Total Posts Made: 165 # 162
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Probably, but on the other hand there are people on the opposite extreme as well who will shower you with compliments no matter what you do.

Regardless, I would appreciate hearing what you have to reply in regards to this post:
http://www.sc2sea.com/showpost.php?p=8855&postcount=137

Surely you cannot dismiss all of those points as "taking things out of context"? Surely you must realise that poster raises some very legitimate points in regards to what your motives are and the (allegedly) devious methods you have used to draw attention to yourself, which seem to supersede your casting abilities?

This is not a criticism nor an implication but a legitimate question which I would love to be addressed. In fact ideally you would address each of those points, as they are quite interesting.


PS. For the love of all christ stop saying things along the lines of "race X builds Y and there's like nothing race Z can do about it". If you want to learn things from Artosis, please learn the good stuff and not the bad stuff. And even Artosis never dares to hint at imbalance when casting - this is probably the #1 thing that could make you lose your new casting job.
I believe she got chastised by unstable, another AU commentator, for this. There's no need to keep flogging the issue. I think it's safe to say she's open to criticism, but do you like if someone keeps nagging for you to change the same thing over again? It becomes counter-productive after a while.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:26 PM BnetId: haCkNebuLa.757  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 126 # 163
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This is actually what the above poster meant in his analogy

1 - You rambled because your game knowledge isn't very large.
2 - This rambling was redundant (not useful in any way shape or form).
3 - You are being praised for great commentating.
(analogy begins now)
4 - The 2011 Budget is a horrible failure.
5 - The politicians love the budget and are praising it as a success.

Do you understand how the original poster was making a valid point in his post?

What you (kelly) fail to realize is that criticism of you isn't based solely on you being a girl, or having a hard to understand accent or lack of game knowledge.

The issue of sex isn't an issue at all. Im a guy and would love to see more female casters.

The issue of your accent is of significant importance. You are casting in English for an English audience. If that audience cannot understand you clearly then that is a huge problem.

The issue of your game knowledge is also of significant importance. You are casting Starcraft 2 games for what is easily the grandest SC2 tournament in the world. Mistakes in casting make it difficult to enjoy a game being played. ( i think the biggest was mixing up what colour loner and august were in their game (i think it was those two players)).


What i think bothers a large section of the community is your personality. Your character.

You run a blog site called http://fuckslits.tumblr.com/. Can you please explain your choice of id there? And your nickname is Kelly MILKIES which the word milkies relates to breasts. Was there any reason why your nickname wasn't talked about during your cast? Tasteless and Artosis are referred to by their nicknames not Dan and Nick. Any reason you weren't referred to as KellyMILKIES?

So you choose to associate yourself with words like "fuckslits" and "MILKIES".

You had a post in the above blog where stated (and i quote) "I'm going to shine so ******* bright that i'm going to ******* blind you". Who are you trying to "******* blind"? (note - obviously the "*******" is a naughty word that has been censored by this forum)


You also have a blog at http://www.kellymilkies.blogspot.com/ where you titled it as ";;scadals fit for a queen". What scandals are going on? And they are fit for a Queen? Wow Queen Elizabeth II has nothing on you.

These are one of the key requirements for successful and fun casting.
You need to have the professionalism associated with GSL, easily the Grandest SC2 tournament in the world.

That is one of the problems you need to work on Kelly.


p.s. It looks like Kelly is trying to cover up some of her tracks as lots of posts in her blog sites are disappearing or being re-named/worded. I wonder if GOM made her do it?
I really, REALLY like this post.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:34 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Stitch.777  Race: Location: Hong Kong  Total Posts Made: 778 # 164
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Hey guys!!

New to thread - I read 6 pages of this and just gave up because it was stupid. There are pros and cons about everything. Obviously, Kelly has a different accent, unlike the ones from America or Australia. But as someone new to the "casting society in SEA" (which is me), I find that Kelly is one of the popular ones from SEA and again, sexism - LETS FACE IT - it's everywhere. And honestly, it is smart of GOM to make a change and add a female voice into commentating, because it definitely starts something new for the Starcraft community, also promoting girls playing Starcraft.

I KNOW - people are gonna shout at me and say crap that I'm NEW to SEA at casting or whatever, but honestly, I am proud for the casting society of SEA to have somebody enter the GSL. As we all love to hear, SC2 is an INTERNATIONAL game. So what's wrong with having different accents in a game that is played worldwide?

I stand on both sides, I agree and disagree with this decision, but as many posts before has stated, I believe that Kelly will rise to the occasion of being in a professional tournament.

If GSL welcomes Kelly, so should the SEA server.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:40 PM BnetId: Ivan.448  Race: Location: Singapore, Singapore  Total Posts Made: 165 # 165
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Kelly has to thank the sponsors from Tasteless's John Travolta face and Angelina Jolie lips! Yeah!

Or was it Julia Roberts? I forget.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:40 PM BnetId: FaDeHarmonik.324  Race: Location: Australia  Total Posts Made: 35 # 166
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I'm buying a ticket for GOM so I can watch Kelly and GlaDe. I've listened to some of Kelly's other casts and I think she's A-OK and I grew up in country Australia. Glad to hear that they are investing in you Kelly and sounds like you have the right attitude to go far with it.
GO SEA!!

PS I love you Nirvana for using the word douche in a mod post haha
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 3:42 PM BnetId: Nikerym.728  Race: Location: Brisbane  Total Posts Made: 2 # 167
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After watching the cast last night, i must admit, i am very impressed with how kelly did. And although i agree with alot of other people that the accent gets a little hard to understand especially during high action packed moments where Kelly gets really excited, i think she has HUGE potential, and i think the accent will diminish over time as she gets more experiance. I look forward to watching keely improve as a caster.

On a side note, the flirting with tasteless...... don't, he's married to Artosis.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:04 PM BnetId: FaDeHarmonik.324  Race: Location: Australia  Total Posts Made: 35 # 168
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On a side note, the flirting with tasteless...... don't, he's married to Artosis.
Hahaha too funny
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:14 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TtPiG.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,221 # 169
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Kelly you did a great job last night! You're commentary was superb, you picked up on some of the tactical situations that tasteless missed and u spoke clearly. I'm not just saying this cos you're SEA. You seriously did a great job and I've actually noticed a big increase on forums with people supporting you. Just the closet racists are left...
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:23 PM BnetId: iRLdKiWi.706  Race: Clan: iRL  Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 100 # 170
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more epic quotes pls
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:23 PM BnetId: Makra.969  Race: Clan: HT  Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 200 # 171
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Love how you made a good joke about July and August and it went straight over Tastless' head Kelly Just one suggestion I'd like to give is to relax your body language a bit. You were doing a lot of pointing at the camera which seemed to show your nervousness.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:30 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: NvPinder.933  Race: Clan: TA (Nv)  Location: Melbourne  Total Posts Made: 885 # 172
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Just the closet racists are left...
Okay im actually all for supporting kelly right now, but jesus ******* christ is that a ridiculously awesomely hilariously bad statement to make.
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Oh i also wanted to say to everyone giving advice about little things she could improve. I think its best to just let her ease into the job without the thousands of criticisms shes got mostly about being nervous on her FIRST day on tV! Who wouldn't be!

Im sure she'll be better than tasteless in no time, and the games are much more exciting with someone who avoids artosis style of "This player will win because of X and Y" analysis, which, whilst very often correct, sucks some of the fun and excitement out of this spectator sport.

Peace yo.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 4:31 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: TtPiG.473  Race: Location: Sydney, Australia  Total Posts Made: 1,221 # 174
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Okay im actually all for supporting kelly right now, but jesus ******* christ is that a ridiculously awesomely hilariously bad statement to make.
lol i know, but i dunno im aussie and i have no problem with the accent so im a tad confused about all the fuss :P
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 5:02 PM BnetId: DennisToo. 983  Race: Location: Singapore  Total Posts Made: 139 # 175
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in anycase, i think the key points to improve is vocabulary and pronunciation. i did managed to catch a short moment of code A in action yesterday night and i've to say the pronunciation is pretty horrible and quite a pain for my pairs of ears as i'm used to the casting by A&T.

however, with benefit of doubt.. and as a singaporean like you do, i will still support my country mate disregard to any scarasm or critics.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 8:29 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: FXOUnstable.707  Total Posts Made: 170 # 176
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New to thread - I read 6 pages of this and just gave up because it was stupid.
Never do that, its like interrupting someone half way thru a sentance and going I know what your going to say, when you dont, page 7 is where some actualy positive constructive disscussion happened(not much but some)

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There are pros and cons about everything. Obviously, Kelly has a different accent, unlike the ones from America or Australia. But as someone new to the "casting society in SEA" (which is me), I find that Kelly is one of the popular ones from SEA.
i dont mean to be rude to anyone but realistically there are only 4. including kelly that are erm, i dunno the word to be nice about it but, casters who would be capable of doing a high end sea tournament to an extent.

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SC2 is an INTERNATIONAL game. So what's wrong with having different accents in a game that is played worldwide?
Starcraft 2 is also a SPECTATOR game if it is going to succeed, so the voice of the masses should be the priority concern.(not the jibberish BLAH I WANT THIS, but the contructive stuff if people honestly cant understand what she is saying is a concern.)
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 8:36 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: Yoz.190  Race: Location: Melbourne, Australia  Total Posts Made: 26 # 177
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i dont mean to be rude to anyone but realistically there are only 4. including kelly that are erm, i dunno the word to be nice about it but, casters who would be capable of doing a high end sea tournament to an extent.
Who would you say are capable? And who would you say are not capable?

I've no idea who in SEA casts at the moment.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 8:40 PM Who's Who:   BnetId: FXOUnstable.707  Total Posts Made: 170 # 178
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Who would you say are capable? And who would you say are not capable?

I've no idea who in SEA casts at the moment.
Benji and pheonix work hard at it casting well, kelly did some stuff before she went to gsl, If i had time i would but im flat out with FXOpen events atm and if mezza ever comes out of hiding he could too after some brush up prac.
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 10:25 PM BnetId: TAscm.495  Race: Location: Sydney  Total Posts Made: 92 # 179
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I believe she got chastised by unstable, another AU commentator, for this. There's no need to keep flogging the issue. I think it's safe to say she's open to criticism, but do you like if someone keeps nagging for you to change the same thing over again? It becomes counter-productive after a while.
I...don't quite understand your point?

This is not critisism, these are actually quite valid and legitimate questions. And I don't see why the "issues" should not be "flogged" considering they haven't even been addressed?
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Unread Tue, 22nd-Feb-2011, 10:29 PM BnetId: Ivan.448  Race: Location: Singapore, Singapore  Total Posts Made: 165 # 180
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Who would you say are capable? And who would you say are not capable?

I've no idea who in SEA casts at the moment.
Sorry I misclicked the reply button and hit the thumbs-down button instead!

I think you might have heard of TotalBiscuit. Sure he's Australian, but we're on the same servers, so we're sharing him bwahahahahaha.
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