[x5.Revenant]

Originally Posted by NEWater

Nothing personal but I think that was a bad decision on GOMTV's part. Americans and Europeans have zero problem comprehending me on Vent/Skype and it isn't hard at all as long as I took additional care for proper pronunciation.

The accent can be fixed and honestly it's rather inconsequential, but I find Kelly's professionalism and game knowledge + game sense very much lacking. I've seen Aussie commentators give negative feedback on how she didn't bother to inform him that she couldn't make it before disappearing on him, and I remember last year's Gaming Festival event where she disappeared on the first night, leaving a very exhausted Philibert and another totally fresh guy to cover for her.

If GOMTV really wanted someone from Singapore, they should've asked Philibert instead. That guy has been shoutcasting with Gamestah for years and he's one of the most professional casters I know of in Singapore.

I agreed that Philibert is an excellent caster. However, just so you know, the only Starcraft2 event Philibert has ever casted(that I know) was Epic Gaming Convention 2010, whilst Kelly had so much more SC2 casting experience. That being said, Philibert would be inappropriate to be that SC2 caster that GOMTV was be looking for. Frankly, it does seem like you're posting with limited knowledge of what's going on in the Starcraft2 scene of SEA

As for the first two paragraphs, I won't comment much on it as it seemed like it's critisizm based on partially your personal beliefs.

[TAScarecrow]

Originally Posted by NEWater

But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her redundant rambling was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an erroneous analogy here but I can't help but to see parallels between the redundancies in Kelly's casting and the amount of evangelizing praise our politicians have been heaping upon our ridiculous Budget 2011.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a crock of horse manure which our politicians tried to neutralize the stink with their most puissant of praises.

Please remove the stick from your ass and drop the pretentious prose. It has to be tough living with such high standards but there's no need to vent on someone doing their best at something they love. Maybe try dropping the hate and do something productive with that intellect of yours

Basically, Kelly's casting doesn't deserve this sort of blanket criticism and to liken it to a crock of shit is just retarded.

[simon]

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

[JacziE]

Phoenix you are begging for a MEME...

[JacziE]

Kelly did better than people expected her to :> Saying stuff like racecars is something people dislike, but that's her casting style. If people hate it, we just gotta let that fly. Sometimes I don't like Tasteless nasally voice but that's me.

Anyway, as for the rest, such as jokes/memes and stuff, as long as it's not offensive, it's fine. We spawned graken, grackets, gorillas and stuff. If people makes fun of the things she pronounce, it's funny -- laugh at it, but don't attack her with it. Even Tasteless said cweep. :>

I laugh about it a lot too, but come on guys... raging puts +10 years on your face, don't do it over StarCraft.

[Makra]

Originally Posted by NEWater

<== is a total Dune nerd and has read all the books.

But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her redundant rambling was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an erroneous analogy here but I can't help but to see parallels between the redundancies in Kelly's casting and the amount of evangelizing praise our politicians have been heaping upon our ridiculous Budget 2011.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a crock of horse manure which our politicians tried to neutralize the stink with their most puissant of praises.

Dude, you're tripping over your words in an attempt to sound intellectual. Just say what you want to say straight up, and at least you won't seem like an elitist arsehole.

[cure]

So much hate :O!

[Zenyu]

Thanks GOM....now I have all the code A matches muted because I can't listen to this. Neither can my friends that used to come watch GSL with me on my big screen. I doubt GOM's sponsors want the stream to be muted but o'well. I have nothing against Kelly, I just want someone that talks clearly and maybe being a better player then I am instead of a worse player would be a bonus.

[HDPhoenix]

Originally Posted by JacziE

Phoenix you are begging for a MEME...

I got a shirt too when we co-cast together but I think instead of a MEME, you'll just going to punch me in the $$$$ =(

[NEWater]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Please remove the stick from your ass and drop the pretentious prose. It has to be tough living with such high standards but there's no need to vent on someone doing their best at something they love. Maybe try dropping the hate and do something productive with that intellect of yours

Basically, Kelly's casting doesn't deserve this sort of blanket criticism and to liken it to a crock of shit is just retarded.

*shrugs* When I worked for Colosseum, it became my business to know of all aspects of gaming in the region, so I won't admit that I know everything. While I'm now focused on college and writing for The Online Citizen I still care enough about gaming when I see a train wreck waiting to happen, or to check on how my mates in Bf.Nut are faring.

But honestly, gaming in SG has barely developed past its most basic of stages and has been hampered by nonsense like Rapture Gaming incompetence in organizing WCG and the proliferation of F2P games. This latest development simply isn't the correct step forward.

[NEWater]

Originally Posted by Makra

Dude, you're tripping over your words in an attempt to sound intellectual. Just say what you want to say straight up, and at least you won't seem like an elitist arsehole.

Why, thank you. I'm no stranger to being labelled an elitist from the way I speak and my usage of vocabulary, but mainly the "elitist" word pops up right away the moment people discover the sort of school I came from.

But really, excuse me for caring about gaming in Singapore. Perhaps I ought to join the men in white and have an easier life smiling and nodding while everyone enjoys their backslapping and lovebombing.

[Zenyu]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

Kelly, question: Why did you name your blog "fuckslits" and where did you get the name "milkies" from?

[protoss-my-salad]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

You are not even giving criticism. You just sound like you got beat by 6 pool 5 times in a row. Totally bitter, but I guess it's ok. You are new to the forum and you are wasting all your posts here. I get your point. Now go enjoy the other parts of the forum. Take care!

From that response It's obvious you don't take criticism very well. I just hope you have thick skin .

You have to admit there is a over whelming amount of criticism (mostly hate) coming from everywhere. Even in your own SEA forums. TL has a thread over 60 pages devoted to just criticism. The GOM forums are just out of control. I don't understand why people think she just needs time to improve. Kelly has had this style of casting for a long time now. I don't see it changing in less than a month.

The biggest thing that concerns me is how fast she talks during a battle. I can understand what you're saying during slow parts in the game, but once someone starts to attack I have no idea what she says. Call it stim-voice or whatever, giving it a cute name doesn't help anything. Honestly that is just the biggest problem I have, I could list many other minor things, but there is no reason they are all over the other forums.

Anyway Kelly I bet it sounds like I just got 4 gateway rushed or 6 pooled to you, but you should really think about reaching out the SC2 community somehow if you want their respect.

[Froadac]

OK. I admit it. First post. And I'm not from SEA. And I made this account just to post about this. (although it's quite the cool community now that I looked around)

Everyone has flaws. In fact Artosis himself made a "critique my commentary" thread on teamliquid. People talked about what he and tasteless needed to do more, artosis said they were working on it, admitted fault, etc etc...

Many excellent commentators applied for the position, and in my opinion, kellyMilkies was not the person for the job. Call it my stupid american bias or whatnot, but I find the voice straining (not impossible) to understand, and I find the level of analysis and style of commentary to be off. Moletrap ( youtube.com/moletrapsc2 ) whom I hold in high esteem applied, and did not get the position.

But I was more than willing to let her take a shot at the position. If she takes constructive criticism into account and seems like she's making an effort to improve, that's fine. If she's professional about it ( www.fuckslits.tumblr.com and the username kellyMILKIES?) and acknowledges that there are many valid concerns about her, I'm quite happy to let her work at it.

But what we've seen here is kellymilkies attempt to not only suppress criticism, but also attack those who do not care for her style. We've seen her tell people here to stop, and that they are acting like thye ahve just been six pooled.

Although I at this point do not want kellymilkies in the position she holds, I do have advice for her: take advice. Admit you aren't perfect. Don't act like somebody stuck up who merely insults anyone so depraved as to not care for her.

Unfortunately I've just been 6 pooled by imba zerg, so maybe it'll sound angry.

Seeing as nobody has really given advice yet...

1) Slow down a bit
2) Become a bit more familiar with unit names. Try to ladder some if you have the time. With tasteless/artosis yous houldn't be lacking for strategy advice. In any case, just get a better handle on the game.
3) Your professionalism comes off as poor. A few less cute jokes ><
4) Maybe just try and immerse yourself in british or american culture some. Hopefully can get rid of the much hated accent
5) Don't say haters gonna hate. ><
6) don't talk over tasteless with umm, err, I see, etc. I know from my limited casting experience it's easy to do, but definitely try and avoid it.
7) don't act quite as entitled.

[Yoz]

Originally Posted by Usul

It seems you haven't watched GSL tonight, she did freaking good

Were you watching the Korean or English stream? I'll admit she did ALRIGHT but there is no way I am going to say she did well. If you think she did 'freaking good' last night then I think I'm going to become a professional shoutcaster.

Originally Posted by JacziE

Kelly did better than people expected her to :> Saying stuff like racecars is something people dislike, but that's her casting style. If people hate it, we just gotta let that fly. Sometimes I don't like Tasteless nasally voice but that's me.

Anyway, as for the rest, such as jokes/memes and stuff, as long as it's not offensive, it's fine. We spawned graken, grackets, gorillas and stuff. If people makes fun of the things she pronounce, it's funny -- laugh at it, but don't attack her with it. Even Tasteless said cweep. :>

I laugh about it a lot too, but come on guys... raging puts +10 years on your face, don't do it over StarCraft.

JacziE has it more like it is... She did better than expected but I don't think it's anywhere near the level of shoutcasting that people expect from GomTV events. If she is at this level at the end of Code A (and looking at the way she takes criticism, on forums as well as the fact she raged and blocked SEVERAL people on her MSN) makes me question whether she is going to be able to improve quickly enough.

JacziE as a caster from the Warcraft III days, I remember that you were criticised pretty harshly for your voice at first but people kinda got used to it. However, the main difference for mine is that when you were criticised you actually sat down and made an effort to resolve it, instead of just saying 'deal with it'.

An example was the 'burrow' thing we spoke about recently, where I remember you on stream acknowledging it, going through a list of attempted pronounciations, getting it right once, and never again. Except when you do this, at least we know you are aware of the criticism and made an attempt to fix it but failed. At least the community feels as though you have listened, thought it through and when you say burrow it becomes a ziEism rather than retardism.

Kelly's attitude towards critism right now seems so poor. Instead of acknowledging community concerns she does not post on the TeamLiquid forum (which may be a GomTV directive) and comes onto the SC2Sea forum to tell someone that they don't make sense (cue irony). Perhaps as a woman in the eSports scene you could mentor the girl and teach her how to conduct herself a little more professionally? It's already being questioned (and my post on TL didn't help but it was entirely honest) but will probably do a lot to affect her likeability.

People are more forgiving if they think you're listening and trying to improve. Kelly, fyi even if you are trying to improve behind the scenes, you still look like an absolute tool out here imo.

[Dogsi]

Kelly did not respond to the over whelming majority of the hate/criticism on this thread. She responded to one that did in fact not make sense. Since she never told everyone to shut up, I see no reason forposting like she did.

I have read through the TL threads on this particular subject. There was a lot of hate but there was just as much, if not more, support. The overwhelming consensus was simply "she's alright".

[Rielle]

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

This is actually what the above poster meant in his analogy

1 - You rambled because your game knowledge isn't very large.
2 - This rambling was redundant (not useful in any way shape or form).
3 - You are being praised for great commentating.
(analogy begins now)
4 - The 2011 Budget is a horrible failure.
5 - The politicians love the budget and are praising it as a success.

Do you understand how the original poster was making a valid point in his post?

What you (kelly) fail to realize is that criticism of you isn't based solely on you being a girl, or having a hard to understand accent or lack of game knowledge.

The issue of sex isn't an issue at all. Im a guy and would love to see more female casters.

The issue of your accent is of significant importance. You are casting in English for an English audience. If that audience cannot understand you clearly then that is a huge problem.

The issue of your game knowledge is also of significant importance. You are casting Starcraft 2 games for what is easily the grandest SC2 tournament in the world. Mistakes in casting make it difficult to enjoy a game being played. ( i think the biggest was mixing up what colour loner and august were in their game (i think it was those two players)).


What i think bothers a large section of the community is your personality. Your character.

You run a blog site called http://fuckslits.tumblr.com/. Can you please explain your choice of id there? And your nickname is Kelly MILKIES which the word milkies relates to breasts. Was there any reason why your nickname wasn't talked about during your cast? Tasteless and Artosis are referred to by their nicknames not Dan and Nick. Any reason you weren't referred to as KellyMILKIES?

So you choose to associate yourself with words like "fuckslits" and "MILKIES".

You had a post in the above blog where stated (and i quote) "I'm going to shine so ******* bright that i'm going to ******* blind you". Who are you trying to "******* blind"? (note - obviously the "*******" is a naughty word that has been censored by this forum)


You also have a blog at http://www.kellymilkies.blogspot.com/ where you titled it as ";;scadals fit for a queen". What scandals are going on? And they are fit for a Queen? Wow Queen Elizabeth II has nothing on you.

These are one of the key requirements for successful and fun casting.
You need to have the professionalism associated with GSL, easily the Grandest SC2 tournament in the world.

That is one of the problems you need to work on Kelly.


p.s. It looks like Kelly is trying to cover up some of her tracks as lots of posts in her blog sites are disappearing or being re-named/worded. I wonder if GOM made her do it?

[Unstable]

Before i start i feel i need to say this first

I do support kelly otherwise i wouldnt have spent HOURS upon HOURS helping her get her setup her origional streaming rig to get practice on. I wouldnt have done that if i didnt see potential, however kelly your attitude does need to be adjusted slightly, you are now being PAID to cast, so any criticism even if it seems unreasonable should be worked on to improve, im sure tasteless and artosis are there to help in any way they can and I can help when i can aswell, but please dont ever disregard a post again like you did above as he did have a very valid point.

Originally Posted by kellyMILKIES

Dude you don't make sense. Stop talking.

Im sorry but he makes complete sense, just because its using words that arent understandable to you doesnt mean its stupid. let me translate it for you people who dont understand

"But I digress. I think I already pointed out that she lacks professionalism, game knowledge and game sense. Her talking about the same things tasteless said or herself over and over was an attempt to cover for her lack of knowledge and I think that has got to stop. I don't know if I'm making an analogy people wont understand here but I can't help but to see similar things between the repetetive nature in Kelly's casting and the amount of repetetive praise politicians have been about the 2011 budget while completely ignoring its flaws intentionally trying to mislead people.

It became painfully clear to be that she was trying to compensate for her lack of analysis of what was going on in the game, and so was it clear to me that our budget was a full of bad spending etcwhich the politicians tried to make look invisible by praising the small parts that were actually good so often."

Everything he has mentioned in this is completely valid and is very easy to work on with the help that you have available to you!

[Unstable]

ROFL Rielle, as im typing you do the same and say the god damned same thing -.- although i was a little nicer :P

[SexyBobSmith]

Kelly did an okay job in casting Code A last night, it wasnt too bad. Her game knowledge is adequate, she knows enough about starcraft 2 to be able to cast Code A. She doesnt need to know everything as she will be casting will Artosis and Tasteless any way, so her game knowlege is adequate. People like JP and DJWheat do not know a ton about the game but they have enough game knowledge and make fine co-casters for someone like Day9.

I think Kelly's main problem would be her accent. Her accent is understandble but it can be hard for alot of people and sometimes some people do need to guess some of her pronunciations. But if Kelly talks slowly and more clearly (possibly try to improve pronunciations) then she would have no problems casting code A games.