[Asrathiel]

Originally Posted by xGKingiaguz

I realised it was the wrong map immediately after the end.

Hmm. It's easy to say what I think the admins should have done, and what I would have done, at that point in time.

As far as this particular situation goes, Revz has agreed to a regame, and they should roll with that.

As far as setting a precedent goes... if it's realised during the game, or right after the game (ie before the next round etc is played) then I think a regame should be granted, but if it's let slide at that point then the result should stand...

Players should be aware of the map pool, but at that stage in a tournament admins should also be aware of what's going on.

Not putting any blame on anyone, stuff happens, admining is hard.

[iM tgun]

Originally Posted by Xeen

No. If the player's opinion on the situation counts, then you're accepting that following the rules is optional based on what the player wants. You cannot have a situation with two different possible rulings because the players feel differently and still expect to have legitimacy in your rules.

In an organized competition, the role of the player is to play, anything beyond that needs to be handled by the admins for the sake of impartiality.

So you're admitting (as previously noted) that it's not the players fault :|

That's the only thing I'm trying to put into this discussion, by the way: every large tournament you see, the players are presented a maplist by admins and the map is made by admins. I understand you obviously can't do this for every game online in a big tournament such as the CO, but when it gets to ro16+, it's feasible. It would avoid this whole issue :|

[Xeen]

Originally Posted by tgun

So you're admitting (as previously noted) that it's not the players fault :|

How did you come to that conclusion? If I said 'sentences should be given by a judge, not decided by the criminal itself' would you say 'then you admit it's not the criminal's fault?' You're confusing a discussion of the resolution with the cause of the issue.

It's the fault of all parties involved, the players for screwing up and the admins for not catching it, but that's not relevant - what's important is how the problem gets resolved, and that's entirely in the hands of the administration.

[DM.MCZ.Shondy]

Anyway to change my vote on the poll, voted wrongly.

[nGenLight]

The unprofessional angle I used was harsh, and probably abit out of line, but it wasn't without context.

Playing a game on pretty much any map is 'fair', but that's not the point when I look at the situation. If people can simply step outside the tournament rules, there is little point in defining them at all. Accepting a different map simply because players agreed on it is problematic for a few reasons:

A) If players are unaware of key information related to the agreement (ie: they agree because they think it is in the map pool when it is actually not), the agreement would be voided anyway.
B) This logic extends to absolutely anything map-wise, meaning if my opponent was moronic I could get him to play me on Shrinkage, and it would be 'fair' because it's an agreed game of Starcraft.
C) It is not the authority of the players in the first place, but of the tournament admin, to decide whether or not a different map is acceptable.
D) If Revenant is given a win on Metalopolis, it is unfair for other players who may have been better prepared to play on Meta against their own opponents, but did not have the opportunity to use the map because they followed the rules.

Unfortunately, it's now impractical to have a regame, but this does not reflect well on the tournament administration that simply let players bend the rules. Furthermore, stating ignorance of the rules (in this case, the players of the map pool) is not a valid defense against anything, and thus the requirements of playing on a map in the map pool should have held.

I do apologize for calling out the admins that made the decision without considering all the factors that made them make such a decision (such as Revz being disadvantaged in a regame). But as Xeen said, allowing bending of rules could easily be viewed as unprofessional, so please tread carefully.

[mGGDaedalus]

The poll asks should there be a regame. If the decision was to be made now I would say no. If the decision was to be made during or immediately after the game was played though, I would say yes.

[BaKaiNu]

Hello everybody,

As promised, I will announce the decision that we have made. We decided that the result of the match stays as it is, and that there would not be a regame.

The reason for it is:
- The match has ended, and it would be unfair to take away a win from someone who worked hard for it.
- The map has been considered balanced for many previous tournaments (Although it isn't, but I would assume that it is played and mastered by most people who is interested in playing high level sc2).
- The players have the responsibility to make sure the map they played on is in the map pool, as it is completely fair to assume that the admin of the tournament (Chris alone) is unable to make sure everything goes perfectly.
- Regame would be unfair to one or the other players in the match, Rev being unprepared mentally, or iaguz having not enough time to practice on the map chosen, or choose a better build to go against Rev on the map chosen, etc.
- I would assume that the tournament has ended, and iaguz reported the results after the finals has ended, making us unable to retract the match results of the previous round.

As a result of this, we would be implementing a new rule for future qualifiers and COs.

If any player or casters or admin notices that they have played on a map not in the tournament map pool, during or right after the match, it is an immediate regame. However, if the player advancing to the next round has played and finished at least 1 match of the next stage of the bracket, the results stay as it is, as it would be unfair to the other player involved.

The final say for this decision was rested upon me, thus I will take full responsibility on this decision.

If anyone is unhappy with this decision, feel free to shoot me a PM to talk through it. However, the decision I made is final, and there is no chance of it to change.

I personally apologize again to any party that is affected by this incident and by the result of my decision. I hope that you guys will still get involved in this community as everyone of you are the most awesome people I know, and loved throughout my time here. I will personally work to oversee future qualifiers and finals of SEASL, and make it run as smoothly as possible from here on out, and hopefully make it a regular tournament that SEA region can be proud of and love for years to come.

Thank you for taking your time to read this post.

Regards,
BakaInu
Admin of SEASL

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	ToRSpartaz:	Nice call
	DeNile:	ADMIN SUPPORT
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[nGenLight]

So in summary:

What should have happened - A regame should have taken place immediately. However, since a decision was made was with many meritable causes,

What will happen - There will be no regame, the tournament(qualifier) is essentially over. We do learn from this experience in the future so that,

What will happen in the future - A regame would take place immediately if the bracket has not advanced.

Can't say I'm not a little dissappointed and sad for Iaguz, but fair call.

Thank you for handling this professionally.

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