[deL]

People who tank to bronze are sick, sick individuals and should be dealt with in the harshest way possible and also they probably have tiny penises.

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[Statix]

Originally Posted by breadfan

You actually need to win more than 50% - if you only win exactly 50%, your MMR will never change because you're playing at exactly the level you should be!

I dont think MMR rating goes off just wins though and looking into this over the last year and watching my friends get promoted who have around a 50% win rate just like me are getting promoted. Just because you lost a game doesnt mean to say you are the worse player of the two in sc2 as it could have been down to a mis-rally

i think it goes off a macro Vs gametime + wins(against skill level) and then blizz calculates army values and resource collection rate . cos i swear when i was getting promoted to silver from bronze i was loosing a lot more than i was winning but still got promoted.

just to add, Apollo has done a tut series and you can clearly see his APM is way off the scale compared to a regular bronze and it started matching him against plats pretty quickly after 10 wins or so, ive had 70wins in my league and gold have only featured a few times in my matchups making me think ,yeah the wins are counted of course but i dont think they may be the rolling factor in MMR

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by Statix

I dont think MMR rating goes off just wins though and looking into this over the last year and watching my friends get promoted who have around a 50% win rate just like me are getting promoted. Just because you lost a game doesnt mean to say you are the worse player of the two in sc2 as it could have been down to a mis-rally

i think it goes off a macro Vs gametime + wins(against skill level) and then blizz calculates army values and resource collection rate . cos i swear when i was getting promoted to silver from bronze i was loosing a lot more than i was winning but still got promoted.

just to add, Apollo has done a tut series and you can clearly see his APM is way off the scale compared to a regular bronze and it started matching him against plats pretty quickly after 10 wins or so, ive had 70wins in my league and gold have only featured a few times in my matchups making me think ,yeah the wins are counted of course but i dont think they may be the rolling factor in MMR

No, it's quite literally just your win rate and the MMR of your opponents.

You might win 3 games in a row - first person has MMR 1500, the 3rd person is favoured and has an MMR of 1650. So from now on you are playing vs people at around 1650 also, so even if you maintain 50%, you end up in front of where you were originally.

Apollo got promoted that far and fast because he went 10-0, not because his APM is high. He went from beating bronze players consistently to beating silver players consistently to beating gold players consistently, etc. If you lost at any point, match making says "you can lose against these players, so this is at least close to where you belong". There's an abuse of a flaw in this system where people deliberately tank their MMR to bronze and when the next season starts, they win a quick 40 games in a row or whatever and skyrocket into GM. Not sure if it's fixed.

[Statix]

i see what ur saying fan but i literally got promoted off a ton of losses, makes me think if there is something else a foot, noit only that i won one game on my KR account placement and got placed in gold which i think is purely wrong but my macro isnt bad . . or so im told anyway

[Nemo]

In fact Battle.net use a margin of error on your MMR. When you improve, you're going to make big win runs. The margin of error on your MMR will increase along your MMR itself. When it happens Battle Net will make you face people with significantly higher level to "test your level". In that process, you're going to loose many games but it helps BNet narrowing that margin of error until the system has a good certitude on you and then it promotes you to your new league.

[jtxgaming]

Wouldnt say leagues are broken, especially after reading blogs by a person named 'Gheed'
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271453
TL;DR ; he basically worker rushes to bronze and worker rushes bronze players and tries to understand why bronze players are infact - BRONZE -
Concluded that, bronze cannot a-move, sit in base waiting for something, don't manage base while looking in base (this is their only cam movement), claim that worker rushing is unfair and that race X has an advantage.

[Bloodmyst]

Why bother with an on screen cartoon badge? Just play one game at a time and focus on one game at a time.

I'm not sure about everyone else..... but in my own experience, as soon as the ladder system starts to match you up with players a league above you and you can show a 50% win rate "against the players who are a league above you"..... expect an inc promotion

I'm not so sure why you would get upset at someone smurfing on ladder... so you can get to said league to show off your e-peen? However, I can understand why someone would rage at a smurf in a tournament environment.

If you do come up against a smurf on ladder, just focus on kicking his butt! If you do, kudos! It's not like a gold player can't beat a diamond player, it's happenend before. If you lose to the smurf, look at it in a positive way, watch the replay and I'm sure you will be able to learn heaps!

TLDR; Stop looking at your ranking/league! Who cares, just focus on 1 game at a time and the promotion will eventually come.

[MacGuffinSC]

Originally Posted by jtxgaming

Wouldnt say leagues are broken, especially after reading blogs by a person named 'Gheed'
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271453
TL;DR ; he basically worker rushes to bronze and worker rushes bronze players and tries to understand why bronze players are infact - BRONZE -
Concluded that, bronze cannot a-move, sit in base waiting for something, don't manage base while looking in base (this is their only cam movement), claim that worker rushing is unfair and that race X has an advantage.

You know what is really confusing is I see replays from people stuck in bronze and they are doing stuff I see in masters, but then this level of bronze comes along and completely baffles me. So much variance in bronze it should really be called the rainbow / dice league or something.

[jtxgaming]

I guess we can conclude that bronze is a diverse league.

[TheDanAbides]

Or perhaps you can take a different attitude...

What a fantastic match up it is if you get matched vs a masters league as a bronze leaguer. Sounds like free practice lessons to me.

If I had a choice between only matching Grandmaster/High masters and grinding my way up Plat/Diamond as I am now..I'd choose the former.

Then again I only get enjoyment via the competition of it all so I suppose it could differ.

[Daboo]

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[TABottles]

too many smurfs in gold imo - i dropped to silver because of this reason alone

[Xeen]

I had a smurf at rank 1 Master on sc2ranks. This is clearly a problem in every league.

That means even if you leave Bronze, you will be preyed on. ezgg

[ToRFutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Nemo

In fact Battle.net use a margin of error on your MMR. When you improve, you're going to make big win runs. The margin of error on your MMR will increase along your MMR itself. When it happens Battle Net will make you face people with significantly higher level to "test your level". In that process, you're going to loose many games but it helps BNet narrowing that margin of error until the system has a good certitude on you and then it promotes you to your new league.

I can attest to this personally. when I started this season with barely any 1v1 games under my belt in silver league I was predominantly playing bronze players. Then after a bunch of wins they were silver, middle of the road silver. Now that I'm 10th in my sivler league I'm playing guys at the same level and gold players (even a random plat thrown in!)

[AxS.Sorathez]

Originally Posted by Mayo

The only weird thing I find is that now I am in Silver, my matches are so much easier.

Honestly, it's ridiculous. I used to have some close matches in Bronze, but so far in Silver I have been rofl stomping everything. I don't understand o_O

The same thing happened to me back when I was in bronze-silver... I remember being SO happy about finally getting in to silver, started thrashing everyone, and then gold a week later.
I don't entirely know what happened, but I think it's just that sometimes players experience a sudden burst of skill, getting promoted, and then having an easy time in the league above. Maybe not, but that's what I think.

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