[x5_Potter]

Beta goes whole season without being called out, beats TA, gets called out
Joking btw

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ToR.Arnor:

hit the nail on the head yo

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by VB_Potthead

Beta goes whole season without being called out, beats TA, gets called out
Joking btw

We need some sort of drama.. it's the last week of SEACL yo. Also **** you.

[betasoo]

Hi I am beTasoO and I would like to atleast try my best to convice everyone i am not a smurt..
Firstly I have always have played on this acc and can be looked into in the mtach histroy...
Also my match histroy shows i had played alot of diamond players in past 2 weeks...
Not to mention the amazing coashing from Random, a master zerg player.
I do feel bad that I am arrousing questions about smurfing on my part but just because i won a match against dia zerg doesn't mean i am a smurf. If u wan the replays just let me know i will be more then happy to upload them.
I am sorry if me beating the MArinefifty player made everyone question about the skills and smurfing but I for one am an honest player with one account and thats it....
thank you for your time in reading this.
^^ and best wiches for the rest of the gmes that are left ^^

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ToRPandarine:

english cld use some work but at least he came to defend himself :)

[x5_Potter]

If the replays are sent then they should be analysed my Maynarde and someone of his choice not from TA or ZC. I know nobody would be biased, but just to make sure.

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	krycek:
	FSDele:	Make BenAD do it! he loves replays!
	VB_Blake:

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by betasoo

Hi I am beTasoO and I would like to atleast try my best to convice everyone i am not a smurt..
Firstly I have always have played on this acc and can be looked into in the mtach histroy...
Also my match histroy shows i had played alot of diamond players in past 2 weeks...
Not to mention the amazing coashing from Random, a master zerg player.
I do feel bad that I am arrousing questions about smurfing on my part but just because i won a match against dia zerg doesn't mean i am a smurf. If u wan the replays just let me know i will be more then happy to upload them.
I am sorry if me beating the MArinefifty player made everyone question about the skills and smurfing but I for one am an honest player with one account and thats it....
thank you for your time in reading this.
^^ and best wiches for the rest of the gmes that are left ^^

Hey buddy, are you able to give some replays to a couple admins? best to upload them to the site so everyone can see

[Security]

Originally Posted by betasoo

Hi I am beTasoO and I would like to atleast try my best to convice everyone i am not a smurt..
Firstly I have always have played on this acc and can be looked into in the mtach histroy...
Also my match histroy shows i had played alot of diamond players in past 2 weeks...
Not to mention the amazing coashing from Random, a master zerg player.
I do feel bad that I am arrousing questions about smurfing on my part but just because i won a match against dia zerg doesn't mean i am a smurf. If u wan the replays just let me know i will be more then happy to upload them.
I am sorry if me beating the MArinefifty player made everyone question about the skills and smurfing but I for one am an honest player with one account and thats it....
thank you for your time in reading this.
^^ and best wiches for the rest of the gmes that are left ^^

It is a poor reason to think he is a smurf if all he did was beat a . I was last week and I beat a and not a single question was asked.

[ToRPandarine]

Originally Posted by ChickDealer

I was last week and I beat a and not a single question was asked.

i was in and i beat and players..not a matter of league its a matter of how good the player is

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FSDele:

Lots of people are like me, and don't get enough time to ladder to get the promo!

[ToR.Arnor]

Just wanted to add Im sorry I tried to call out TAEaeron tonight for a poor reschedule, I was extremely annoyed at the acusations against Beta and just wanted to take a swing back, I was wrong of me.

I look forward to the remainder of the series and hope ZC can clinch a victory

really really interesting season, coming right down to the wire

[syfChadMann]

I check the SC2Ranks of every player against TA each week.. each manager should do this to weed out smurfs. BeTasoO also has barely played this season - if at all.
Additionally the matter has be brought up with the SEAL admins to review - where myself or Arnor will not have input into the decision.

Don't think it's biased because I take the time to check players before matches. BeTassO was a 1400 Diamond league player.. This is why he is being alleged as a smurf - not because he beat a Diamond player. I raised this issue with Arnor and Edarus before or shortly after the end of the first match between MarineFifty and BeTasoO.

EDIT, and Diamond players are not permitted to be subbed into this tournament - MarineFifty was plat when he signed up and was promoted. This being the crux of the issue regarding his legibility for this tournament - VB asked to sub in a Diamond player mid season and were denied, ZeroCraft should have the same rules applied to them.

[betasoo]

Thank you for the explaination chadman. ^^
I would just like to let everyoneknow that i had never finished a season as diamond player.
and that hope this doesnt affeect how awesome this T5 had been going and been playing.
It was really awesome to be part of a organised and euthiastic players and mangers.
Thnk you again

[breadfan]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

I check the SC2Ranks of every player against TA each week.. each manager should do this to weed out smurfs. BeTasoO also has barely played this season - if at all.
Additionally the matter has be brought up with the SEAL admins to review - where myself or Arnor will not have input into the decision.

Don't think it's biased because I take the time to check players before matches. BeTassO was a 1400 Diamond league player.. This is why he is being alleged as a smurf - not because he beat a Diamond player. I raised this issue with Arnor and Edarus before or shortly after the end of the first match between MarineFifty and BeTasoO.

EDIT, and Diamond players are not permitted to be subbed into this tournament - MarineFifty was plat when he signed up and was promoted. This being the crux of the issue regarding his legibility for this tournament - VB asked to sub in a Diamond player mid season and were denied, ZeroCraft should have the same rules applied to them.

Shouldn't we be looking at replays from the start of the season / when he joined the team then?

I mean, all that matters is if he legitimately dropped in skill from the previous season's 1400 dia to SEACL's start. If he did, then improved to dia level again, I don't see that as being any different to any other player who earned a dia promotion this season

[Volition]

Originally Posted by TAChadMann

Don't think it's biased because I take the time to check players before matches. BeTassO was a 1400 Diamond league player.. This is why he is being alleged as a smurf - not because he beat a Diamond player. I raised this issue with Arnor and Edarus before or shortly after the end of the first match between MarineFifty and BeTasoO.

My only question is why this has become an issue after a game win to ZC. Why wasnt this raised when you discovered it? Surely this should have been discussed during the day - not after a crucial game win to ZC and against TA.

Either way, i dont think it will matter. This is only the regular season after all - the playoffs are all that is coming

tier 5 has been great, really manner between every team. As the stakes got higher, so have the the tempers. This will all blow over in the morning, let's just everyone take the night off playing detective and posting.

GG minimat, you were way better than me tonight

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krycek:

finally some rep

[TAminimat]

Originally Posted by Volition

after a game win to ZC. Why wasnt this raised when you discovered it?

Same thing. And yea GG.

[syfChadMann]

Yeah it's just about being consistent - VB were denied a Diamond sub into their team because that admins decided that it was best if Diamonds don't join the tournament, but if the promote to diamond from within that is okay. The issue is that BeTasoO may have been diamond level - smurfing his MMR for awhile before subbing into the tournament. It is being discussed amongst the admins and a decision will be made shortly.

Also, QED v QED - you're results need to be reported before the ToR results will be announced - I have heard that some players have no matches played in their match history and while no accusations are being made - I request that replays of ALL you're games are available for review to ensure no incorrect results are reported to give either team the best standing in the playoffs.

Thanks.

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Volition

My only question is why this has become an issue after a game win to ZC. Why wasnt this raised when you discovered it? Surely this should have been discussed during the day - not after a crucial game win to ZC and against TA.

LIke I said - the issue was raised before MarineFifty and beTasoO finished their games. It was only brought out publicly after the match had concluded.

[betasoo]

Tahnks chadmann, II have uploaded the replays as requested
hope that helps ^^
thanks again for all your hard work to make this tourney run smoothly as possible
^___^

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	ToR.Arnor:	you;re a champ :)
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[Frogmite]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

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	TAminimat:	The useless one ^.^
	ToR.Arnor:	hey man he did blind Freiza that one time...
	breadfan:	Hot wife.
	krycek:	krillin is beast
	FSDele:	His wife can kill him with her little finger...
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[spaZzNx]

everything good..? gg TA, looking forward to my game tmrw thanks betasoo for being so cooperative with all this smurfing business, awesome this season is really coming down to the wire...ZC needs a 5-1 win to take 1st i believe, and we're ahead 3-1 atm...down to the last 2 games to decide who takes third! awesome stuff, can't wait

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ZC.EvilSWAT:

No pressure!

[ToR.Arnor]

Originally Posted by spaZzNx

everything good..? gg TA, looking forward to my game tmrw thanks betasoo for being so cooperative with all this smurfing business, awesome this season is really coming down to the wire...ZC needs a 5-1 win to take 1st i believe, and we're ahead 3-1 atm...down to the last 2 games to decide who takes third! awesome stuff, can't wait

A 4-2 win will be enough actually ive run the figures

GL with your game tomorrow!

[syfChadMann]

Originally Posted by Arnor@CityHunter

A 4-2 win will be enough actually ive run the figures

GL with your game tomorrow!

I have a spread sheet for the map wins/loss.

talk about down to the wire -
if its 4-2 to ZeroCraft, and the next two games remaining TA 2-0 and 1-2 TA will be in 1st. of course, if it is 3-3 match score, TA take 1st.. and if ZeroCraft 5-1 they take first.

at the current 2-1 score line, TA are 1 map win in the lead. so if the final two games are 2-1 0-2 for TA the match would then go to map losses meaning a tied map win (both teams would then be on 69 map wins, but ZeroCraft would take 1st with less map losses.

lets hope it's 3-3..

I think I just wrote this and realised the 1st is determined on Bo3's.. still interesting maths on the map scores.. very close.. >.<

EDIT:
After looking at the Bo3's won and loss by both teams,
Assuming ZeroCraft win 4-2
TA will have 34 wins, 16 losses
ZC will have 33 wins, 17 losses

So, ZeroCraft need 5-1 for 1st place. TA need 2-4 or 3-3.